From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 30 Mar 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:19:05 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 30 Mar 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: NOT Heavy Rotation..... Re: Spring Cleaning Re: Music Thang Re: PJ drummer talent IRC Re: Lolla in Canada Re: something refreshing (i hope) list policy on chain letters Re: get rich quick..(kidding)) Ok... Re: NOT Heavy Rotation.(What SG's Longest playing Song) Re: NOT Heavy Rotation..... something refreshing (i hope) Re: Ok... My future favorite songs from DOTU... rock that geetar... Re: NOT Heavy Rotation.(What SG's Longest playing Song) Past, Present, Near Future Re: Betrayors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lolla Tickets Lolla in Canada something refreshing (i hope) Feeling Minnesota. SG/PJ I agree, whats wrong with San Diego? Re: Feeling Minnesota. Re: SG/PJ Re: SG/PJ Re: something refreshing (i hope) Re: SG/PJ Re: Lolla Tickets you say seattle, i say seathl Lolla on sale date clarification... Re: rock that geetar... Re: Spring Cleaning Almost Live/The Lame List New CD chat line Re: Ok... McCheese Sucks Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 29 Mar 1996 Re: What's wrong w/San Diego?? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: el@algonet.se (Erik Lundsten) Subject: NOT Heavy Rotation..... OK, so it seems like everybody are listening to music they like. :) Well I can't always listen to what I want. (Not at work anyway.) Cos we are five guys sharing one stereo and you all should hear the arguments when deciding what to listen to. Here is my I_have_to_listen_to_it_even_thou_it_sucks list: 1. Michel Jackson Dangerous 2. Joe Satriani every fucking album 3. Infinite Mass(rap group) I could make this list *very* long but I wont. Can you blame me for mailing crap-mail like this when listening to MJ? ;) I would much rather listen to SG, even if I only could listen to one song all the time. And if that was the case I guess I would chose Rusy Cage. It's so fucking good and Kim's playing is exellent. What song would you pick? *** E R I K *** ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning At 09:26 28/03/96 -0600, Q-BERT (McCHEESE) wrote: >It is spring in this part of the world (except for me and Geoff, as well >as Australia, I guess) so . . . Yeah, I'm in Australia, and it's starting to get a little cold on the toes of a morning.... >Let's spring clean the list up!!!! I'd second that! >I've been meaning to say something about this for some time, and now >thanks to URBANO (Puedo ir UrBano to help set up an IRC, I think we could get the list cleaned up (of >extraneous posting that we are all guilty of (including myself!)). That's a great idea. There's only one problem (for me) - IRC, much like Talker, is as addictive as hell, and that's why I use e-mail. I've been on Talker and IRC for many hours at a time, unable to wrench myself from the keyboard...very dangerous indeed! But that doesn't stop anyone with a bit of self control from using it (or even those who don't mind the long hours with no self control!) ! >With the IRC in place, this list could become a place to discuss >soundgardens MUSIC. I hope the list wouldn't COMPLETELY lose the personal chit chat RELATED to Soundgarden - it would spoil it for the non-IRC users (like myself) and if it was strictly music, the number of posts would go way down - how many strictly music posts do we get now? There could be some days where there would be virtually no posts...and as has been stated so many times, there's only so much analysis of the music and questions about the technical side that people can take before things go stale... But don't let my ramblings put you off - IRC would be a great idea. >We already have the best band resource on the web, the IRC can only help. Good call! Jackhammer. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Music Thang From: JADAMO61@MAINE.maine.edu It's Abbruzesse... Anyway, I think that's part of what makes Vitalogy so damn good- the fact that it's definitely "out there" for PJ. And yes, Footsteps blows the doors of off the SG version. Eddie just sinks so much more of himself, his emotion, the lyrics into that song than CC could. (Go ahead and flame if you will...) The KIDS soundtrack rocks...but the movie is easily, collosally better!! So much for pathos! JCP I know I'm headed for the bottom..... C.Cornell ------------------------------ Subject: Re: PJ drummer From: JADAMO61@MAINE.maine.edu Actually, the rest of the group asked Dave Abruzzese to leave because he wanted to "shine" above the rest of the group, and that's not what PJ wanted from their guitarist. They wanted someone to blend with PJ, not to "stand out" so much. Anyway, my non-SG related $.02 worth. JCP ------------------------------ From: Caryn Rose Subject: talent carolyn said... >BUT I DON'T REALLY GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT TALENT. >I choose music because I like it. I don't really care if the singer is >"good" or not. I mean, this is ART we're talking about! Art is is >emotional. It totally personal. absolutely. this is why i get so fucking pissed off when someone i don't even KNOW tells me that i am 'less' of a fan of x band than they are because i dare to say i don't like a song, or an album, or that a show was imnsho substandard. bite me. as johnny thunders used to say, 'rock and roll is simply an attitude. you don't have to play the greatest guitar.' and that quote pretty much defined the whole essence of punk rock, and have we forgotten that punk rock is one of sg's primary influences?! as to dave abbruzzese: no one, repeat, NO ONE, knows what happened between him and pj *besides* him, pj and their manager. i don't care who is a friend of a friend of the cousin of the soundman of the bus driver... i'm not a huge jack irons fan, but if you listen to some of the brand-new (and i do mean "brand new", i mean stuff done in concert that isn't anywhere official yet) he is fitting in more and more. and anyone says that pj is losing their hard edge again hasn't hear the new stuff. it totally rocks. :) - --caryn ................................................... Caryn Rose crose@intermind.com "i thought this was a straight-edge band!" --ev, 3/692 http://www.eskimo.com/~clr/ : radio ethiopia ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: IRC IRC is very easy to use. All you have to do is get an IRC program. The best one out is called mIRC which is shareware, there is a list of servers where you can get this program at: http://www-2.nijenrode.nl/software/mirc/get.html Once you get an IRC program (or if you already have one), connect to an Undernet server and join the channel #somms, I should be there most of this evening waiting to test this out. Its that easy. I have e-mailed an Undernet rep and asked how one would go about registering an IRC channel, so far I haven't recieved a reply, but it can still be done if the channel is registered or not - its only for security purposes. See you on #somms. Seth, if you would rather not have us use #somms as the name, by all means tell us and we can change it to something like #sg or #soundgarden. ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: Lolla in Canada As far as I know, they have not decided upon a Eastern Canada site for Lolla. I think Montreal was one of the possibilites though. On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Tim Smith wrote: > I know that Lollapoloza will be in Canada, but does anybody know when > and if it will be in Toronto or Barrie, Ontario, Canada?? > > A reply would be greatly appricated... > > TimSmith > ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: something refreshing (i hope) Terribly refreshing. In fact, so refreshing that I'll even contribute. My only reason for DOTU not to be released is to keep me from going completely insane. -Geoff On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > My top five reasons for DOTU not to be released: > 1- The first time I hear my favorite new song on the radio, I'm going to > freak out, and probably wreck my car and kill myself. > 2- The first time I hear my favorite new song being insulted by someone, I'm > going to freak out, and probably kill them... then there'll be all that nasty > court stuff... and since I'm not OJ or Snoop, I'll probably get life in > prison or death by being forced to listen to Hootie & the Blowfish until I > either kill myself, or go into an irreversable coma. > 3- The first time I hear SG perform my favorite new song live, I'm going to > freak out, and probably forget that I'm in the pit at Lolla with all the > smelly and drunk Metallica fans... I'll get knocked to the ground and > trampled to death. > 4- The first time I see the video for my favorite new song, I'm going to > freak out, and demand that everyone shut the fuck up so I can fully enjoy the > moment... but of course one of my wise-ass friends will think it's funny to > change the channel on me, making me miss a few precious seconds of seeing > Chris' (hopefully) half naked body running across the screen, and then of > course I'm going to have to kill them... see #2 for the rest of this reason. > 5- The first time I meet Chris (I hope I hope), I'm going to ask him about my > favorite new song, and when he ignores me or gets Ben to spit on me, I'm > going to freak out and make a huge scene, which I've already described to > Foreshocks since hopefully if I get to meet Chris, she'll be there, too... > and after I embarrass the shit out of her, and she chases down Chris and begs > him not to ban her from ever buying another SG cd (she told me she would beg > him), and he bans her anyway... she's going to chase me down and kill me... > (she hasn't told me this part yet... j/k Erin!!) > So you see people... this cannot be a good thing. I'm too young to > die!!! (Notice, please... I've recovered from my pre-midlife crisis quite > nicely, thanks to some amature psychotherapy from some of y'all). Thank > yew... thank yew... > Shroom > ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell > ------------------------------ Subject: list policy on chain letters From: seth I was enjoying my vacation in New York until I logged in and found some unwanted chain letter and get-rich-quick crap in my inbox, so... THE SOUNDGARDEN MAILING LIST POLICY ON CHAIN MAIL AND GET-RICH-QUICK CRAP: You send it, you're off the list. Simple as that. I no longer have any patience for this garbage. We're here to talk Soundgarden, not to pass around the same fucking good luck chain letter that's been circulating the Internet for 10 years and not to be convinced that we really can make some ridiculous amount of money in a pyramid scheme. Wake up: sending chain mail and get-rich-quick mail to mailing lists is a stupid idea. When you send it to a friend, or five friends, of yours, fine. They can yell at you if they want. When you send it to 450 people you *don't even know*, then you are an inconsiderate asshole. seth (listadmin) ------------------------------ From: "D. Pellor" Subject: Re: get rich quick..(kidding)) This has bacame a limp mailing list! Everyone is always bored or really have nothing to say. At least you admit to it... On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Jennifer L. York wrote: > > > > > That is more info than we wanted you to share with us... > > > > > Okay I take it back :) geez, Uma! > That reminds me of pulp fiction. You know, I started this reply and > realized that I have nothing to say.....I've got Nothing to Say (hehehe) > Oh god. > see ya jenn > ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Ok... I want to start a new thread. We all know the new album track titles, which one are you DYING to hear the most? I know we all want to hear the new album like anything, but just which song title stands out and makes you drool to think of hearing it? A couple that do that to me are Burden In My Hand (cause I've heard cool things about that song), Blow Up The Outside World and Overfloater cause I changed my handle to Overfloater on Nexus. Then people started to say that it reminded them of a toilet :>, but it's better than being called Foreskin or hearing "YOU STOLE MY PRAYERS!" any day. So.. if you'd like to contribute :> what's your pleasure? Thanks to Shroom for puttign this idea in my head.. she's the one that brought up the idea of what tracks on Down On The Upside I especially wanna hear, and I don't wanna rip her off without credit :> so there it is. I'll shut up now foreshocks ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: NOT Heavy Rotation.(What SG's Longest playing Song) I would pick the longest playing Soundgarden song there is,Because there all good,IMHO.Off the top of my head I don't which one that is.Can anyone tell me which song is Sg longest Playing? At 08:49 PM 3/28/96 +0100, Erik Lundsten wrote: > >Cos we are five guys sharing one stereo and >you all should hear the arguments when deciding >what to listen to. > >I would much rather listen to SG, even if I only >could listen to one song all the time. >And if that was the case I guess I would chose >Rusy Cage. It's so fucking good and Kim's playing >is exellent. >What song would you pick? > > *** E R I K *** > > > Jaime Gonzalez Computer Repair Technician Engineering Services Michigan State University 505 Computer Center 353-5266 JGG@pilot.msu.edu FAX:517/3536506 ------------------------------ From: MEATBALLLL@aol.com Subject: Re: NOT Heavy Rotation..... Joe Satriani doesn't suck at all! But Soundgarden is way better. If I could listen to one song of theirs, it'd probably be Drawing Flies. I hope there's another song like this on the new album. Didn't Matt Cameron write it? He should write more. - -Meatballll ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: something refreshing (i hope) Well, welcome to a post that doesn't have to deal with chain mail or get rich quick schemes. I'm tired of those and the followups now, so let's all forget it and move on, ok? So, here's what i have new: My top 5 reasons i don't want the new album to come out: (this is a joke) 1. I will have to spend $15 on May 21. 2. I will not be able to talk to the list on May 21, cuz i'll be hours away from an internet connection. 3. I will have to spend $18 for the tab book for the new album as soon as i see it in Camelot. 4. I will have to take a week off from work to fully ingest the new album. 5. Soundgarden might sellout on this record (THIS IS A JOKE!) Well, anyone else wanna contribute? - -If you send a list chain mail, the list will automatically get 3,000 replies. Then, the listadmin will kick your ass. aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** The Only Colloquialism Page i know of: http://www.unc.edu/~toybox/words.html "And up on the shelf it seems to help if i can keep a little bit of disease" ------------------------------ From: MEATBALLLL@aol.com Subject: Re: Ok... I want to hear the ambient track. - -Meatballll ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: My future favorite songs from DOTU... Ok... the song I want to hear most off the new album is "Applebite". I'm hoping that it's going to be about Andy Wood, or at least MLB. I'm guessing they got the title for the song from MLB's "Come bite the apple", or at least from the ep "Apple". Oh please oh please oh please... let it be about Andy. I'm also curious to hear "Rhinosaur" and "Never Named". Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell PS... That new Joan Osborne single is on the radio right now. I'm not sure how many more times I can listen to that woman sing "my right hand, my right hand man" again before I spew. Is that not the most repetitive song ever written, or what?!!? ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: rock that geetar... CAROLYN- (i think it was carloyn, anyway...or whoever was asking about the cool guitar sounds in `uncovered') i've seen a few replies from people suggesting that you're talking about harmonics, but i don't think that's what you mean. (an example of harmonics would be the piano-type sounds beginning at :11 of limo wreck) i just listened to `uncovered' and i'll assume that you're referring to the choppy "wakka-wakka" sounds that kim plays a few times before each melody riff. (at about :11 and :20 of uncovered, and elsewhere throughout the song) This technique is known as MUTING, and it simply involves striking the guitar strings normally while the fingering hand is resting on the strings (NOT HOLDING THEM DOWN AGAINST THE FRETBOARD), causing a short, choppy sound. i hope this is what you were looking for. for other examples of muting, check out `possum kingdom' by the toadies, the main riff of nirvana's `teen spirit', and numerous other tunes. (oh yeah...the shotgun-type sound before the chorus on radiohead's `creep' is also muting, done with massive amounts of distortion) i'm trying to think of fairly common examples that occur in albums many of us probably have, but that's all i have time to list now... later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: NOT Heavy Rotation.(What SG's Longest playing Song) Alright! Back on the subject! I'd have a tough time picking between JCP for the energy and well composed noise and Mind Riot for it's truly cathartic feel. (For those of you who haven't guessed yet, I regularly burn holes through my BMF CDs, when they're not being ripped off from my truck...) >>I would much rather listen to SG, even if I only >>could listen to one song all the time. >>And if that was the case I guess I would chose >>Rusy Cage. It's so fucking good and Kim's playing >>is exellent. >>What song would you pick? >> >> *** E R I K *** On the CD-ROM drive right now: Seeds, by Brother Cane Yes, it's the "I wanna be like Soundgarden" Fools Shine On song. Greg "Did I do that?" ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Past, Present, Near Future THE PAST: Enrique (who taped SG's rare 1st video, Flower, off of MTV Latino), kindly sent the following description. It's a b/w video that begins with a woman's hand plucking petals off an orchid? played backwards to look like she's sticking them on the flower, followed by a woman in black running between gravestones. Then SG walking (not in the graveyard). When the guitar riff starts, SG are playing live. The camera moves like crazy - images are not clear. When Chris starts singing, the camera concentrates on him. The shots are from crowd level (the camera moves with the crowd). The live shots are b/w and some yellowish. Then the band wandering (a close up of each member distorted like it was taken through glass). The woman running in the graveyard (blurred as the camera runs behind her), SG live, the woman leaning on a gravestone, and SG live again. The video ends with a dog barking behind a barbed wire fence. ------------------------------------------------------------ THE PRESENT: To all those who feel "This has become a limp mailing list!" I'd like to say, "Be patient." So we've run out of inspired commentary...TEMPORARILY. ------------------------------------------------------------ THE NEAR FUTURE: SG will perform on Saturday Night Live (May 18). The new album will be released (May 21). They are confirmed for Lollapalooza (Summer). And finally, SG will headline a small venue tour (Fall). You think your mailboxes are full now? 450 listmembers - hah! I say we grow to 750 by midsummer. In the meantime, order a T-shirt, disregard the chain letters...be happy. Watch the MTV 120 Minutes ten year anniversary special this weekend and fall asleep with SG feeding thru your headset. Vikki :) ------------------------------ From: Tony Buonvino Subject: Re: Betrayors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MMC>I feel so betrayed by you all... MMC>Wow, maybe I should make my own "Real Soundgarden Fans List" and MMC>boot everyone off who blasphemed the good ole SG... MMC> Sadly, the only true SG fan left, MMC> McCheese MMC> Whoa, wait a minute! Just because some people have different opinions than you on another song, you think they aren't fans of SG? Last time I checked, being a fan doesn't include forsaking all other bands and shutting the musical world out... If it makes you feel superior to shut out everything else and condemn it just because it doesn't say SG on it, go right ahead. Soundgarden's albums show that they are a group who have eclectic listening tastes and their fans are the same. Later... T-Bone "Big Brother is Watching You... IGNORANCE is Strength..." -1984 ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Lolla Tickets So I've been to the Official Lolla Page and the Unofficial Lolla Page, and nowhere do I see any mention of when tickets go on sale. If anyone's heard about tickets for the Charlestown show, please let me know. I need to when to start camping out. Greg "Good health is merely the slowest form of dying." -- Someone (I don't remember who) ------------------------------ From: "Tim Smith" Subject: Lolla in Canada I know that Lollapoloza will be in Canada, but does anybody know when and if it will be in Toronto or Barrie, Ontario, Canada?? A reply would be greatly appricated... TimSmith ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: something refreshing (i hope) Ok.. the Top 5 Reasons Why I don't want a New Album To Come Out (THIS IS A JOKE, TOO!) 5. I might have to skip study hall so I can run down to the record store and get it - there's NO WAY IN HELL I'm waiting til after school :> Two o clock my ass. 4. I might blow a speaker or two in my car blasting it. 3. I'll have to run away for a week just so I can be alone with my baby - - my new Soundgarden cd, that is. 2. I hate those damn sticker thingies that they put on cd cases and I don't want sticky goo all over m new Soundgarden cd case and the top Lame-o-reason-Cause-Foreshocks-Can't-Think-Of-Anything-Better- Reason-Why-She-Doesn't-Want-The-New-Album-To-Come-Out (and for those who don't know, yes, Foreshocks is a she): 1. I'll get my family evicted from the apartment cause I'll be playing it so damn loud. well that was fun.. stupid, but fun.. not a stupid thread, just a stupid reply :> forgive me. foreshocks ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Feeling Minnesota. Ok, well the movie's been reviewed in U Magazine, and i am gonna be so kind as to type out the review for yall. Well, here goes: *********************************************************************** Feeling Minnesota (Fine Line) The notion is that weddings bring out the best in people. Unless, of course, you just said "i do" to a nervous groom (Vincent D'Onofrio, Strange Days) you can't stand. And then you run into his brother, played by Keanu Reeves, and accidentally have sex with him while the guests are still eating the cake. Oops. Cameron Diaz (The Mask) is the lucky bride. ************************************************************************* Ok, is it just me, or wasn't Courtney Love sposed to be in this movie somewhere? Also, what was the reference of this movie to soundgarden besides ripping off their lyric for a title? (I forget.) -j aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** The Only Colloquialism Page i know of: http://www.unc.edu/~toybox/words.html "If there's one damn real alternative band left in this godless culture, it's Cracker" -U Magazine. ------------------------------ From: dwy2@po.cwru.edu (Bu Shi Bai Ren) Subject: SG/PJ First off, this goes out to James B. Hawken: Eddie Vedder was born in Chicago, experiencing childhood difficulties (he has said his stepdad beat him) with his parents. His real father was in a wheelchair, suffering from MS. At the time, however, he was told that the man was a "family friend". So what he thought was his dad was his stepdad. However, his mom didn't tell him the truth until after his real dad died. Obviously, Eddie wasn't too happy, so he took off to San Diego where he lived in a shack on the beach. He would pump gas all day, go to his shack, and surf all night. He was involved in a variety of bands (one of them was Bad Radio, with Rage ATM's drummer). His buddy Jack Irons (formerly of the Chili Peppers and Eleven, now with PJ) gave him the demo tape of Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard. Eddie went surfing that night, then taped himself singing over the demo. He also wrote "Mamasan"-a mini rock opera consisting of Alive, Once, and Footsteps. The songs Alive and Release are about his real dad. Once and Footsteps are part of a fictional story that supposedly takes place after Alive; kind of a "What could have happened to Eddie". Better Man (the first song Eddie ever wrote) from Vitalogy is about how his stepdad abused his mom. Anyway, he sent the demo back, Jeff listened to it twice, called Stone and said: "You better get over here." The rest, as they say, is history. Ok, now on the discussion of PJ's drummer: Dave Krusen left after the recording of Ten because he was in the middle of a divorce, among other things. Supposedly, Dave Abbruzzese was booted because of creative differences (whatever that means). Two of the major disputes were: 1)Dave Vs. Eddie; Supposedly, everyone in PJ got into a big fight over the cover of Vs. Eventually, everyone except Dave agreed on a particular cover. They decided to take a couple weeks off to cool down. The first day back, however, Dave brought up the cover issue again. This royally pissed off the band, especially Eddie. 2)Dave Vs. PJ; PJ admitted that they wanted Vitalogy to be a slower type of record. I guess this meant that the emphasis was on developing the mature sound of the band as a whole. So much for the anguished fury of Ten. As you may have noticed, Dave is a faster, more aggressive drummer, while Jack Irons is slower and emphasizes intricate rhythm more. In my opinion, Jack sucks compared to Dave A. Well, PJ booted Dave. Dave Grohl of Nirvana/Foo Fighters filled in for only a couple concerts. PJ got Jack Irons to quit Eleven and join them. Kind of ironic: Jack was the one who introduced Eddie to Jeff and Stone. Eddie and Stone have said that with the addition of Jack, PJ has come "full circle". I guess that's supposed to make us feel better about PJ having a sucky drummer. Oh well. Sorry about my PJ rantings. I know a lot of you think that Eddie is an immature crybaby. I can see where you would get that. However, I must defend Eddie, just because he's one of my favorite singers ever. Yes, his famous bouts of depression, etc. deprive "real fans" of his music. However, most of his beliefs are those of the band's (ie., their refusal to do videos after Ten). I think it's noble (yes, I know-cheesy) of him to pull out all the stops to protect the fans, even when it doesn't turn out right. Secondly, if I was him, I'd wig out too. There are all these pousers out there who claim PJ/SG/Nirvana for their own. What's up? Get real, people. You were all Gap wearing preppies laughing at the people you now hang posters of on your wall. Eddie said that people who beat him up in school are now asking him for autographs, and it makes him sick. I'm sick of people buying Doc Martens/flannel/etc. cuz it's cool. Be original for once in your pathetic LL Bean lives. So think how Eddie feels: These Gappy little punks are in sense dirtying your songs. I mean, these are song about your life and feelings. Eddie's song are intensely personal. I don't know- maybe I'm too extreme, but it makes me sick. I'd freak out too (this is NOT FOR YOU!). Thirdly, give the guy a break. He was just another crusty kid at a SG show. Two months later, he's working on Temple O'Doggy with Chris and Matt. I'd have problems adjusting too. At least he's not a coward like Kurt Ka-Boom--Oops! (I meant Cobain). How people can admire a twit who leaves his wife and child alone for his own selfish reasons is beyond me. Yes, he wrote great music and lyrics. But as a person, he was a coward. At least Eddie (and Chris!) are brave enough to face their problems without using shotguns. Ok, I will quit trying to convert you to be on Eddie's side. SG: Has anyone heard stuff from the new album? You could hear most of Vitalogy from the "New Songs" boot off of the Vs. tour. I wonder if SG has a similar boot. Sorry so much PJ info. I just really like them. Fortunately, SG doesn't seem to be embroiled in so much controversy. *Fun Fact: Calvin Klein tried to get Eddie to be an underwear model like Marky Mark. I just had to laugh. See ya, Dun - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- "Cretins! Fools! You will learn to your eternal horror the folly of challenging me! I possess weapons of such terrible power as to beggar your pathetic imaginations! But even your blatant stupidity does not suprise me, for only the most abysmal ignorance could excuse such unbelievable effrontery!" -- Dun-Wei, in response to those other guys. ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: I agree, whats wrong with San Diego? I live in San Diego too, what is wrong with that? ANyway to make this message have some relevance, Eddie was born in Evanston, Illinois (sp?) which is known mostly as a college town (Northwestern) and it is a 'burb of Chicago. He moved to San Diego while he was really young. He went to high school here so I guess that is where you start to grow roots. Dont ask me why I remember this but most of it was from a huge newspaper article the San Diego Union Tribune did on PJ when they played Nov. 6 and 7th. Mark for a different kind of quote: "The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self."--Einstein (yeah so some of Chris's stuff is better) ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Feeling Minnesota. Keanu Reeves is in this movie? Bliss!!! Mmmm... imagine if he and Chris... ummm... never mind. =P BTW... I remember hearing that Courtney Love only had a small part as a waitress in the movie. If there's going to be a review of her acting... it'll probably be in Rolling Stone, or on the evil MTV. SG might get acknowleged in the credits of the movie. Does anyone know which bands are on the soundtrack? Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: SG/PJ >There are all these pousers out >there who claim PJ/SG/Nirvana for their own. What's up? Get real, people. >You were all Gap wearing preppies laughing at the people you now hang >posters of on your wall. Eddie said that people who beat him up in school >are now asking him for autographs, and it makes him sick. I'm sick of >people buying Doc Martens/flannel/etc. cuz it's cool. Be original for once >in your pathetic LL Bean lives. Hmmm... that was a great letter! Congrads on having the nads to write it. But oh man... you are going to get FLAMED. Isn't controversy grand? But then again... we just got over a flame war, and everyone's kinda tired of it, so maybe they'll let this one go by. I agree completely with your assessment of some of the SG fans. Going to the concerts during the last tour almost turned my stomach. I've never seen so many bowheads gathered into one place. My friend Mike decided to do an informal poll of the SG "fans", and out of twenty people, only seven could correctly name ALL of SG's albums. To give them some credit, most of them DID know that Superunknown wasn't their first album. Heheheh... quite a few of them thought BMF was the first. Speaking of bowheads... you should have seen the women's bathrooms. There was such a huge cloud of hairspray, if someone would have lit a match... I think the whole place would have gone up in flames. It was a nightmare. I didn't know you could bring hairspray into concert arenas. Shows how much attention I pay to that stuff, unless it's prohibiting my breathing. I didn't know alot of the stuff you wrote about PJ. I've never been a huge fan, probably because I like MLB so much. I guess I felt like it would be kind of disrespectful to Andy's memory to become a huge fan. I actually felt an anger at Stone and Jeff for going on with out Andy. I know, I know... that's fucking crazy. But I really loved Andy alot. I despised Eddie for a loooong time, just 'cuz he was standing where Andy should have been. Even at Lolla '92, I felt sick watching PJ play. It was so weird watching and listening to Stone and Jeff play without Andy. Eventually though, I got over it. I can't say I've ever bought a PJ album, but somehow I always end up with them. People give them to me. No, wait. I did buy the "Jeremy" single, because my fave PJ song is "Yellow Ledbetter". That's really a groovy song. Anyway... enough babbling. Thanks for sharing the info. I still think Eddie's a whiny bastard, but that's just my personal opinion. >So think how Eddie feels: These Gappy little punks are in sense dirtying >your songs. I mean, these are song about your life and feelings. Eddie's >song are intensely personal. Eddie may whine alot, but the man is not an idiot. I'm sure he knew that if he published his songs, then people were going to listen to them. If he didn't want a certain group of people knowing about his life and his feelings, then he shouldn't have made the songs available to the public. But then again... maybe the man IS an idiot. I guess since none of us really know him, we'll never find out which it is. But we DO know he whines alot. >*Fun Fact: Calvin Klein tried to get Eddie to be an underwear model like >Marky Mark. >I just had to laugh. I'd laugh if I saw Eddie in his underwear. He's not exactly my idea of a stud. The man has to be all of what... 5'8"? Maybe 5'9", but that's pushing it. But CHRIS on the other hand... he'd make a mouth-watering underwear model. Mmmm... ok... I'll shut up now... Heheheh... Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: SG/PJ On Fri, 29 Mar 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > > >So think how Eddie feels: These Gappy little punks are in sense dirtying > >your songs. I mean, these are song about your life and feelings. Eddie's > >song are intensely personal. > Eddie may whine alot, but the man is not an idiot. I'm sure he knew > that if he published his songs, then people were going to listen to them. If > he didn't want a certain group of people knowing about his life and his > feelings, then he shouldn't have made the songs available to the public. Maybe he didn't think he'd turn into a "rock god" and be worshipped by all those people. I know if i was singing about my life, i wouldn't expect people that hated me to like it. That would kinda suck if you think about it. -j - -And i didn't say a thing about his undrerwear. aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** The Only Colloquialism Page i know of: http://www.unc.edu/~toybox/words.html "If there's one damn real alternative band left in this godless culture, it's Cracker" -U Magazine. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: something refreshing (i hope) My top five reasons for DOTU not to be released: 1- The first time I hear my favorite new song on the radio, I'm going to freak out, and probably wreck my car and kill myself. 2- The first time I hear my favorite new song being insulted by someone, I'm going to freak out, and probably kill them... then there'll be all that nasty court stuff... and since I'm not OJ or Snoop, I'll probably get life in prison or death by being forced to listen to Hootie & the Blowfish until I either kill myself, or go into an irreversable coma. 3- The first time I hear SG perform my favorite new song live, I'm going to freak out, and probably forget that I'm in the pit at Lolla with all the smelly and drunk Metallica fans... I'll get knocked to the ground and trampled to death. 4- The first time I see the video for my favorite new song, I'm going to freak out, and demand that everyone shut the fuck up so I can fully enjoy the moment... but of course one of my wise-ass friends will think it's funny to change the channel on me, making me miss a few precious seconds of seeing Chris' (hopefully) half naked body running across the screen, and then of course I'm going to have to kill them... see #2 for the rest of this reason. 5- The first time I meet Chris (I hope I hope), I'm going to ask him about my favorite new song, and when he ignores me or gets Ben to spit on me, I'm going to freak out and make a huge scene, which I've already described to Foreshocks since hopefully if I get to meet Chris, she'll be there, too... and after I embarrass the shit out of her, and she chases down Chris and begs him not to ban her from ever buying another SG cd (she told me she would beg him), and he bans her anyway... she's going to chase me down and kill me... (she hasn't told me this part yet... j/k Erin!!) So you see people... this cannot be a good thing. I'm too young to die!!! (Notice, please... I've recovered from my pre-midlife crisis quite nicely, thanks to some amature psychotherapy from some of y'all). Thank yew... thank yew... Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: SG/PJ >> >So think how Eddie feels: These Gappy little punks are in sense dirtying >> >your songs. I mean, these are song about your life and feelings. Eddie's >> >song are intensely personal. >> Eddie may whine alot, but the man is not an idiot. I'm sure he knew >> that if he published his songs, then people were going to listen to them. >>If he didn't want a certain group of people knowing about his life and his >> feelings, then he shouldn't have made the songs available to the public. >Maybe he didn't think he'd turn into a "rock god" and be worshipped by >all those people. I know if i was singing about my life, i wouldn't >expect people that hated me to like it. That would kinda suck if you >think about it. -j C'mon... he was getting into a band with the guys from MLB!! HE WAS WORKING WITH SOUNDGARDEN FOR CHRIS' SAKE!!! Does Temple of the Dog ring a bell? Of course he knew he was going to be a rock god. But then again... like I said before... maybe the man is just an idiot. Shroom - - Peace, Love, and Waterbeds... ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: cstone@Phoenix.kent.edu (HasNoName) Subject: Re: Lolla Tickets > So I've been to the Official Lolla Page and the Unofficial Lolla Page, and > nowhere do I see any mention of when tickets go on sale. If anyone's heard > about tickets for the Charlestown show, please let me know. I need to when > to start camping out. I thought everyone here would want to know about this, I just found out about it. According to Yahoo's Reuters News section, some (about 250,000) tickets for Lolla go on sale Monday exclusively through either the Lolla page (http://lollapalooza.com) or TicketMaster's page (http://www.ticketmaster.com). More info, like whether this means that dates will be confirmed by then, is not yet forthcoming, but I'm working on getting more info. Carl - -------------Carl M Stone----http://nimitz.mcs.kent.edu/~cstone-------------- Well, speak of that anon....and on and on anon! -- Firesign Theatre - ------KENT STATE parks it and locks it, NOT RESPONSIBLE for what I say------- ------------------------------ From: Kate Mercier Subject: you say seattle, i say seathl as far as my friend, who is somewhat of an expert in this department, "Sealth" was a mis-rendering of "Seathl" (notice the position of the "l"). When you really look at this, you can see that it would be very easy to pronounce "seathl" as "seattle". So they called him Chief Seattle. And no, he didn't found the town that we know now as Seattle... white men founded the town that we call Seattle. The Indian founders called their civilized areas by different names. So, ANYWAY... yes, it is speculated that he didn't really say that great speech... but if he didn't, it would be the first time that someone was mis-represented and words were placed in their mouths. All the same, it's a beautiful speech. Is that good enough? Frogger, do you feel better? (oh, up there is supposed to say 'as far as my friend EXPLAINED"... sorry. typo. my bad. so sue me. :-) goodnight... kate ------------------------------ From: cstone@Phoenix.kent.edu (HasNoName) Subject: Lolla on sale date clarification... I just checked Imusic's news section, and they had a clarification on what I mentioned just now. The official page will be updated Monday, and tickets for various places will be onsale through either them or Ticketmaster about three days before they go on sale through the normal channels, but they aren't all going on sale Monday. (even if that is what Yahoo! said...) Oops, sorry. HasNoName - -------------Carl M Stone----http://nimitz.mcs.kent.edu/~cstone-------------- Wir sind nicht Mensch? Wir sind DEVO.... - ------KENT STATE parks it and locks it, NOT RESPONSIBLE for what I say------- ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: rock that geetar... grote wrote: > [...] the choppy "wakka-wakka" sounds ... > [...] This technique is known as MUTING...Isn't that called muffling?.... I just understood what Carolyn asked and pretty sure of it... URBANO ______________________________________________________________ |... ed il mio bacio sciogliera il silenzio che ti fa mia. | |[and my kiss will dissolve the silence which makes you mine]| |____________________________________________________________| |____________ Puccini: Turandot (act 3) ____________________| \__________________________/ ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning Jackhammer wrote: > There's only one problem (for me) - IRC, much like Talker, > is as addictive as hell.I used to get addicted a lot too... but I rather stay hours on IRC than spending that time reading 80+ posts about chain letters. > [...] how many strictly music posts do we get now?Not many, right. But imagine when the new album comes out, if I got 91 posts today I'lll expect about 300 then. Listees will grow a lot and you will have to go blind looking for those posts related to the new album among others from new listees that don't know that they shouldn't post chain letters... > There could be some days where > there would be virtually no posts...I don't think so... I don't think that there will be somone on #somms 24 hours a day. Much less if there are so many people that don't understand computers a lot(not idiots, toni!) URBANO ______________________________________________________________ |... ed il mio bacio sciogliera il silenzio che ti fa mia. | |[and my kiss will dissolve the silence which makes you mine]| |____________________________________________________________| |____________ Puccini: Turandot (act 3) ____________________| \__________________________/ ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Almost Live/The Lame List The question about Bill Nye shook this loose in my aging brain. Bill Nye was on the cast of a Seattle based comedy show called "Almost Live", that was picked up by the cable comedy channel for a while. One of the bits on the show was called "The Lame List", subtitled "What's Weak this Week", where they polled the Seattle Heavy Metal Community (their description, not mine) about various subjects ("the club you're playing only has Near Beer"..."your new girlfriend turns out to be 16"... "the rent goes up") to which the answer was usually "lame!" or sometimes, if the question was too intellectual/ confusing, they would just look puzzled. The footage was usually the same group of guys, one of whom looked very much like Kim Thayil. Anybody ever seen and identified the people/musicians in this sketch? I haven't had time to go through all the archives, has this been beaten to death already? Maybe I have it on tape somewhere... ------------------------------ Subject: New CD From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) Just wondering if anyone has heard if the new release is going to be available on vinyl as Superunknown was? If I remember correctly, they released the vinyl before the CD. If anyone has heard please let me know. Thanks in advance. nephend ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: chat line i have no idea how to use IRC.. but i use Telnet quite a bit. I have my own line set up on my computer. The catch is, it only lets on 18 people at a time.. so, if ya feel like it.. telnet undertow.rh.ncsu.edu (no port number.. default 23) jeremy AKA unGod http://undertow.rh.ncsu.edu/ ------------------------------ From: MAYOR McCHEESE Subject: Re: Ok... I need to hear: Overfloater Subject: McCheese Sucks After looking at my sent mail, I've seen my useless posts: Sorry Everyone. Didn't mean to go on tangents. But on to the next issue: I am the biggest Ben fan. Last night I was drunk and I get very misanthropic when I get drunk. People suck. I just kept hearing "Face Pollution" yelling in my head. This is my intrepretation of Face Pollution (BMF Music:Ben Lyrics:Chris (who is this?)) Face pollution is just about people that suck. Everyone sucks. Everyone is self centered, and if you think about all the people in the world, you don't matter. What makes you better than some dying kid in Ethiopia that is starving? So what if you get a job with Microsoft. Your just feeding the american machine. Chris says he "can count it on (his) fingers" and "(He's) got all (his) reasons not to feel" just like everyone else. He wants to be self centered and forget about the world. He's seen so many people that don't matter he's "numb as rigor mortis". "Scared by monkey faces" Hey, what's wrong with pumping gas in San Diego?? I happen to live >there, and I can think of alot worse places to be stuck pumping gas- >Eddie should count himself lucky if he had to pump gas in Southern >California... > >Also, I never knew that Vedder was from SD, was he born there or is he >just "from" there? > >- - Jim Just to add a few more info: Vedder was born in Evanston, Illinois. He left during his high school years for San Diego. He was basically a surfer and lazy ass while in San Diego. He played in a band called Bad Radio. He recorded a demo called the Footsteps Trilogy which consists of Footsteps, Alive, and Once. If you compare these songs, they all kinda deal with the same theme. These tapes found their way to Stone Gossard, and the band was formed. Hope this helps. Vasant ****************************************************************************** The Refuge of the Damned http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html Lots of music, photos, links, and more! vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "I don't need your love to disconnect" - An Ode to No One -Smashing Pumpkins **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 80] ***************************************