From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 7 Mar 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 02:35:00 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 7 Mar 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: All my Kings have fallen down with your good eye closed? we hear you wail... Re: Music Publishing Companies... Green Day sucks. Gee, we didn't know that. Kyle Petty Son of Richard Re: 'Drawing Flies' signifigance LIKE GUITAR? Hiro. Re: LIKE GUITAR? Ben Re: LIKE GUITAR? leave your home, leave your mother and father... Re: Music Publishing Companies... Re: LIKE GUITAR? Re: Music Publishing Companies... Guitar Guess what I heard? Fw: RE: Guess what I heard? Re: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. Farewell 4 now Re: Music Publishing Companies... DAMMMMMMIT Re: Mike McCreedy's playing Re: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. Re: we hear you wail... Re: LIKE GUITAR? Re: Kyle Petty Son of Richard Good singers and TOTD (Fwd) Reading Boot Re: LIKE GUITAR? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 6 Mar 1996 All my Kings have fallen down Another Great Lolla Confirmation! DAMMMMMMIT All my Kings have fallen down Re: Kyle Petty Son of Richard Re: LIKE GUITAR? Re: we hear you wail... Re: All my Kings have fallen down Exit Stonehenge All my Kings have fallen down Re: vinyl Re: All my Kings have fallen down Re: vinyl Lolla 1996: SG and the Ramones are friends! Re: Kyle Petty Son of Richard Re: All my Kings have fallen down Re: LIKE GUITAR? Re: Mike McCreedy's playing Re: LIKE GUITAR? RE: All my Kings have fallen down Re: LIKE GUITAR? t-shirt ------------------------------------------------------------ From: andreap@kidstar.com (AndreaP) Subject: Re: All my Kings have fallen down "90" is a logo for some sort of snowboarding or sports company. andrea@kidstar.com ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: with your good eye closed? I just read Chris' response to your 'Kim is a bad guitarist' post and I agree with him wholly. All I can add is this, how can you compare Kim to Kurt or anyone from Green Day. Do the guys in green day know more than three chords? Both these bands tend/tended to have very uninspiring and repetitive backing riffs, where as Soundgarden music is alive with chord, key and time changes . Kim is not an MTV style guitarist who just hangs it round his neck and strums. If you have read any of his interviews in guitar magazines you will see that a) he takes his playing very seriously and b) he knows a hell of a lot about the technical side of playing. Because of this he is very well respected in real (non-MTV) music circles (as Urbano's post illustrates), making your opinion sit in a pretty tiny minority. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: we hear you wail... On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Geoff wrote: > That's right. Big Ben is better than both put together. Not just > because he is made of rubber, either. Face Pollution, Half, Head Down > and Somewhere. Need I say more? I think that we would all have to agree (at least I hope so) that half would have to be the worst of that bunch hands down. especially in the case of head down :) half just doesn't sound like a soundgarden song, and more like something ben would do solo. I'm all for experimentation, but something about that song irks me. on the other hand, somewhere, face pollution and head down are really good songs, and don't fool around like half does. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... MA>> MA>> Soundgarden - You Make Me Sick I Make Music MA>> - In One Ear And Out Your Mother Music MA>> - Stupidities MA>> - Noyes MA> - Walpurgis Night music (I think this was Matt's) MA>> MA>> Faith No More - Big Thrilling Music MA>> - Vomit God Music MA>> MA>> Pearl Jam - Write Treatage Music MA>> - Innocent Bystander MA> - Screaming cat music MA>Beatles - Northern Songs MA>> MA>> Alice In Chains - Buttnugget Publishing MA>> MA>> Prince - Controversy Music MA>> Mr. Bungle: Beat me up, Lord music. Willie Nelson: Full Nelson music. Faster Pussycat: Gypsy Fetish music. Candlebox: Skinny white butt music. White Zombie: Psychohead music. Primus: Sturgeon. Long Corn publishing. Dig: Mucho Loco music. Prong: Spigot publishing. Stuttering John: Stutterface music. Ramones: Taco Tunes, Inc. Ok, that's enough. Nothingman -I can tear your walls down as I chip at who you are, now, don't you. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Green Day sucks. Gee, we didn't know that. ME>>But it gets annoying sometimes when a very talented player (whether I ME>>like them or not) gets the shaft because some other pop bullshitter ME>>(not anyone like Flea, I mean some obvious others here) gets all the ME>>votes from those stuffy nosed bastards that call themselves "God" in ME>>the music business, or even those top 40 fans that can't wait a week to ME>>hear Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 shit. I think that's all I have ME>>to say. ME>Umm....howzatgo? Alanis Morisette? No talent? GRAMMY? Christ AlmightY! I'm sorry to say, I bought that album, after I heard that song..."I got one hand in my pocket and the other is..." because it was catchy, and i kinda liked it. I thought, "I kinda like that song, and Flea's suppose to be on it, and I've heard some pretty good things about it." So I bought it, instead of the new Candlebox (which I heard sucks compaired to their first one), and Lenny Kravits (Circus). So, being the dumb ass I am, I bought Alanis. Wow, does she suck or what? I had the same feeling after hearing this whole album that I had after I heard Green Day's first album. And I thought When I Come Around was a pretty ok song. I must say, after hearing the rest of that album, I cease to listen to Green Day. And that new song...the one with three chords that doesn't get any better...I picked up my guitar one day when it was on the radio and played along with it. This is without seeing music or anything for it. That's how easy it was. And to think my cousin thinks they're the greatest. I'll have to beat some sense (Soundgarden) into her some(unGreen)day. Nothingman -And I thought Billy was from Britain or something. -Just goes to show how much I know about different accents. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Kyle Petty Son of Richard ME>Did Matt write KYle Petty, Son of Richard. I think that he did because it ME>is a pretty simple song, guitar and bass wise. Anyone? Chris wrote the lyrics, and Kim wrote the music. Nothingman -I think Chris just wanted to say fuck a lot...Big Dumb Sex got old for that. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: 'Drawing Flies' signifigance GK>> 'Badmotor' was playing at this pub, and 'Drawing Flies' came on. GK>> Is that song a total allegory or metaphor to spanking GK>> the monkey? Hmmm....I doubt it, but could be. I'll drift into one of my interpreting moods now. GK>> "Shooting my pleasure pistol" I think you meant, "Firing the pistol that shoots my holy pride." Maybe if he thinks his jiz is holy...I dunno. GK>> "Wallowing in my obsenity, shooting Xs in my eyes and draw flies" "Wallowing in my own obscenities...sitting here like wet ashes with Xs in my eyes..." Maybe he likes to roll in it? And he is sharing a cigarette with negativity. His hand must not've been as good as he thought it would. "Sitting here like uninvited company" He has nothing better to do. Maybe this'll pass the time... "Hey what you yellin', about sadist's co-addiction." He must like it rough, or something. Well, I really don't think it's about that, and I don't have a clue other than that. Maybe I'll research this and find out. Nothingman -I was slippin' through the cracks of a stolen jewel. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: LIKE GUITAR? TR>For anyone who realy knows how to play the GUITAR. I might not be very good at the guitar, but I have at least 13 years of musical experience behind me, and I've been a fan of great music since before I can remember, and I know a good musician when I hear one. TR>I'd like to tell all those SOUNDGARDENER'S that all the members except chris TR>are pretty well replacaceable ,kim is one of the worst guitar players TR>nowadays. Wow, are you gonna get flamed like hell for this one... TR>A guitar player is someone like NUNO BETHENCOURT(extreme),JOE TR>SATRIANI,STEVE VAI,RAYITO,STEVE MORSE,super RANDY RHODES, BLUES TR>SARACENO(??????),cristian vivas,MIKE OLDFIELD(MIGUEL CAMPOVIEJO),VAN TR>HALEN,MARTIN FRIEDMAN.......... These are all good guitar players. Nuno is one of the best. He combines emotional playing with technical skill. But so does Kim. Music isn't all about being a great technical player (as someone mentioned before), but it has to do with how someone puts their emotion through their instrument. Kurt Cobain might not have been very good as a technical guitar player, but he overloaded his amps with emotion, which a lot of guitar playes lack. TR>KIM is somthing next to kurt kokobain or the bastard of greenday with some Uh-oh...you mentioned Kim and that Green Day bastard in the same sentence...everybody duck, here it comes... TR>I supose all of you ,ignorants will have realised that not all those people TR>who appear in the Mtv with a guitar hanging from their shoulder are real TR>guitar players they only appear to be so. Ignorants? I may not be the smartest person on the list, but I sure as hell am not ignorant. Van Halen has been on Mtv, and so has Rhodes...probably more than Kim ever has. I know Van Halen has been there more. But yet, he's great and Kim isn't? Maybe you're one of those "I hate anything that has to do with Mtv" people. I know Mtv might overplay crap like Green Day and Hootie, but just because someone gets some airplay, doesn't mean they suck. I guess you're going to tell us that Eddie Vedder's voice sucks and Steven Tyler's is the shit. Nothingman -That was as close to a flame that I've done in a while. -I need to get out more. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Hiro. DA> Ben's bass Playing? The only reason imho that they DA> were able to get a new bassist and survive is that Ben fits into the DA> band better than hiro did. Just listen to most of hiro songs as DA> compared to Ben's, hiro's songs seem all disjointed and spacy. Ben's DA> songs fit into the band better. I thought Hiro's songs fit quite nicely. His writing style was kinda similar to Kim's. His guitars were heavier than normal (maybe not a whole lot, but noticable). I remember he wrote the music to I Awake, and that is just a great song. Good lyrics from his note-writing girlfriend, too. Nothingman -Remember, I love you. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? GK>You read too many so called guitar magazines. You need your talent spoon GK>fed to you. Those are not guitar magazines, those are hair farm GK>pictorials. Thayil is a god of distortion and all things noisy and GK>beautiful. Just because someone can play the guitar doesn't mean they GK>are necessarily a creative talent(hair farmers)The people you mentioned are GK>half-decent guitarists, but what have any of them done lately? It sounds GK>to me like you are jealous because all the time and money you spent GK>worshipping these 'guitarists' in the 80's has left you with a bunch of GK>crappy tapes, and real bands like Soundgarden who are less concerned with GK>their hair, drugs and getting laid by some backstage tramps and more GK>concerned with their music are getting some recognition. That's my story GK>and I'm sticking to it. ;) Wow. That was pretty good. Much better than mine. Nothingman -YEAH! SO TAKE THAT MR. HAIR FARMER (snicker)!!! ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Ben GK>That's right. Big Ben is better than both put together. Not just GK>because he is made of rubber, either. Face Pollution, Half, Head Down GK>and Somewhere. Need I say more? Yeah, Drawing Flies. May not be the hardest song, but that bass solo rocks. Nothingman -I'd love to hear that live. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" Yes, Another reply... > > (from SPAIN) > For anyone who realy knows how to play the GUITAR. > I'd like to tell all those SOUNDGARDENER'S that all the members except chris > are pretty well replacaceable ,kim is one of the worst guitar players > nowadays. Hmm.. Yeah, I suppose the guitarist from Green Day would kick his arse.. Not to mention all those shit-hot britpop blokes. I guess you haven't paid much attention to some of his better solos.. > A guitar player is someone like NUNO BETHENCOURT(extreme),JOE > SATRIANI,STEVE VAI,RAYITO,STEVE MORSE,super RANDY RHODES, BLUES > SARACENO,cristian vivas,MIKE OLDFIELD(MIGUEL CAMPOVIEJO),VAN > HALEN,MARTIN FRIEDMAN.......... Hmm.. If they are REAL guitarists and Kim isn't, then I guess REAL guitarists suck shit.. Most of the people you list there are the kind that I would hear, say "Wow.. This guy can play really fast!", yawn, and listen to something else. How can you be so taken in by these guys swollen egos.. The day one of them writes a song that doesn't suck, I'll rate them, until then.. They suck. I notice Jimi isn't in that list, I suppose you had to exclude him from it because he actually played a song once. I rate Jimi, but not because he can play really fast or anything like that, but because he can play songs well.. All these "Guitar gods" could take a leaf from Jimi when it comes to soloing, I have never heard a gratuitous Hendrix solo, if there's a solo in a song, then it adds to the song.. Counter example: The end of "More than words" with that accelerating thing.. Did that add to the song? Or were you sitting there thinking, "get ON with it". Why the fuck do you think it is that Chris isn't replaceable? He's certainly no guitar god, but does it matter?? > KIM is somthing next to kurt kokobain or the bastard of greenday with some > infuences from GARTH BROOKS and ELVIS PRESILLY. Right, fucker.. Point to the Elvis influence!! You obviously know exactly what you're talking about.. Besides which, Kurt could kick all the arses of the guys you listed up there if it came to songwriting, which by the way, is the most important aspect of music. In fact.. I will go as far as to say that the bastard of greenday could kick all their arses too.. I don't even think you can criticise Kim that much technically.. Some of his solos are pretty fast and, although not comparable technically to the guys in your list, they are not to be sneezed at.. Take New Damage for an example. If you read any of the interviews that are on the web page, you would have seen exactly how the band feel about gratuitous solos. In my opinion, Kim has th potential to be among the "guitar gods" but why the fuck would he want to? Who really cares about technical ability THAT much? > > I supose all of you ,ignorants will have realised that not all those people > who appear in the Mtv with a guitar hanging from their shoulder are real > guitar players they only appear to be so. Are you talking about the Monkees? Not every guy who can play guitar in 64ths with his teeth is a musician.. They only appear to be so. > > Could anyone please answer me and tell me their opinion about a group called > KORN and also what do you think of the new BOSS turbo OVERDRIVE and the fact > that it doesn't make a jangliing and warm crunch because of the distinctive > low power attage tubes. > Am I supposed to be impressed? Do you think I CARE about the new BOSS turbo OVERDRIVE with its distinctive low POWER attage TUBES????? Perhaps you would like to see more people on this list talking about the latest thing to pop into some sad guitar magazine instead of the way we feel about Soundgarden. Shit! Did you copy that out of one of your magazines yourself? Think about what you said about MTV and then think about YOU and YOUR MAGAZINES.. THANK YOU!!! Matt Christ.. I'm so wound up over this.. I'm gonna kick something. ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: leave your home, leave your mother and father... On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Tonerkin wrote: > them to go on. I think Soundgarden at this point sort of fits into that > catagory. I suppose different circumstances also apply if a band member > dies it's a little harder than just someone wanting out for whatever > reason! There is a big difference in Hiro SG and post Hiro SG but we also > have to allow for a maturing band both personally, musically and if I had to vote for which incarnation of soundgarden I preferred (the hiro or ben version), I would vote for ben. their song writing seems to me to be a lot better now (whether this is because they have all matured I don't know), and ben seems to fit a lot better. the music is more cohesive as a whole, and I generally like ben's songs more than the stuff that firo wrote. I agree that there is a big difference between them, and maybe ben is a big part of why they have matured into such a kick-ass band. at least we weren't stuck with jason the airborne ranger (wasn't jimi hendrix a parachuter with the u.s. army in seattle too?) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" > > 76>I can't remember where I saw this, but I loved it: Get A Real Job!!! > > 76>-Mop > > 76>PS What is Head Down about? Does the baby in the linear notes have any > 76>significance, like the death of innocense or something along those lines??? > > On the Headbangers Ball where Soundgarden went bowling, Ben says Head > Down is about "a kid who is taught to smile, and then that smile is > taken away" or something like that. > Yeah, that makes sense to me.. I really identify with that song in a strange way, evn though I don't really know what it's about. It reminds me of the feeling I go twhen I went to school and had to face all the arseholes. . It's like you're trapped in a shell and you just can't smile any more.. I don't know, I'm rambling, but I'm sure there are some people on this list who can identify with what I'm talking about. Matt I think I ought to learn how to write, or something.... ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? I was just wondering if anyone thought this guy could've been baiting us? Sorta like a few months back when someone wrote us with a single line SOUNDGARDEN SUCKS? And if Hector was serious, well, I think there's been enough rebuttal - glad to see so many people come to Kim's defense...you all said what I think... Hector Hector Hector, tsk tsk tsk... Jackhammer. At 23:20 05/03/96 GMT, Hector Robles wrote: >(from SPAIN) >For anyone who realy knows how to play the GUITAR. That excludes me - I've only been playing a week and a half!! :> Howzabout we talk keyboardists, Hector? ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... At 13:51 06/03/96 +1000, Carolyn the Majestically Flemming (well, if you've got a sore throat to go with the sinus virus... :>) wrote: >>Does anyone else out there love some of the names that are come up with for >>music publishing companies to hold copyrights? > >Yes! :-) Great to see you with that smile on your face! >>Soundgarden - You Make Me Sick I Make Music > >>Anyone else got some? Dig out your guitar tablatures now... > >All my CDs & records are packed away along with my beloved stereo right now, >as I'm inbetween houses for a couple of months, so I can't go look >immediately. How come you're moving? Just jokes just jokes :> >BUT I seem to recall that The Cramps use a cool music >publishing name - something like Soundgarden's above. But buggered if I can >remember what it is. Jackhammer, go look at your sister's "Stay Sick" >record for I think you'll find it on there. I searched, but I can't see it there - the dirty rotten scoundrels have left off who their music is copyrighted to, so we just get Liberation Records and Enigma Records copyrights... >See ya >Carolyn the Meek & Feeble Hey, don't make me have to send a Get Well Soon card! :> Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: Superfly Subject: Guitar This is in response to that guy that said Kim sucked and all that stuff.....well, I happen to be a guitarist, who happens to be able to play Vai and Rhoads and all that...dont; get me wrong, i practically worshipped at the Randy Rhoads alter every day for the past 6 years,playing every note....but then i discovered Soundgarden...I've played ina 'death metal' band for the last 5 years, so all i know is 64th notes and wailing leads...but....i realize that there is a lot more to a song than that, which is why I love Soundgarden....i get off on Morbid Angel and Cannibal Corpse as well, but Kim's riffs stir different, complex emotions besides just the raw energy of any of those solo-mentality guitarists......there was something in guitar world a while ago that comes to mind...it went along these lines..... There are two types of people who can play guitar: guitarists, and musicians..the guitarist watches a band with his arms folded, looking for that flashy solo,and scrutinizes the band if they can't or don;t do any of this....the musician however sits back, listens to the music for enjoyment. i think we can see what category whoever wrote that stuff abuot Kim's playing fits in.....don't get me wrong, on a technical level, I know Kim couldn;t come anywhere close to playing like Yngwie, bu then again, why would he? what's the point besides showing off? I can apprecitae technical genius, but i can appreciate a good song more. Did people talk abuot how Picasso could paint faster than Braques? I don;t think so....people were more interested in the beauty of their art, not the technique that went into it.....okay. that might be a crappy analgy, but it's late and I'm going to bed.... ------------------------------ From: gfox@csc.uvic.ca (Greg Fox) Subject: Guess what I heard? The local radio station here in Victoria stated that Soundgarden is playing Lolla this year. Can anyone confirm this for sure? It looks like I will be heading to Lolla for my very first time ever. Later. Greg +-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=# Greg Fox The nothin song sticks to your mouth www.engr.uvic.ca/~gfox Like peanut butter on the brain gfox@csc.uvic.ca -A.I.C. That damn polyphasic frog rototillered my beets again! +-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=#=-+-=# ------------------------------ From: "garbage kicks ass" Subject: Fw: RE: Guess what I heard? > The local radio station here in Victoria stated that Soundgarden is > playing Lolla this year. Can anyone confirm this for sure? It looks like > I will be heading to Lolla for my very first time ever. Later. > Greg you must be a bit foolish or something... i'm in Holland and have heard this for sure before you... Yes they are playing Lolla... What i've heard also though is that they espescially asked the Ramones to play lolla too... is that true ?.. Why did they ask the Ramones ?.. do they like them that much ?... - ----------------------------------------- "things don't have to be this, catch me on a better day.." , Garbage... - ---------------------Walter-------------- ------------------------------ From: "garbage kicks ass" Subject: Re: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. >> I think it's quite cool... soundgarden-level-of-quality... > Hmm, this is a tough call. If you like some of the mellow stuff that C.C. > has written, (Seasons, etc.) buy this album. It is NOT, however, to be > passed off as a SG album. It has this, well, mellow vibe to it, and has > only two really hard songs on it. I'd recommend it, without a doubt. > Gregg > yeah..well...... i didn't mean like soundgarden, but as good as soundgarden... it is indeed a bit different, but very damned good too.... especially the 11 minutes long song, with the splendid solo... 'bout the guitar argument : I don't know crap 'bout how to play a guitar and i don't care 'bout if someone plays technically good, as long as it ROCKS and sounds good..... - ----------------------------------------- "things don't have to be this, catch me on a better day.." , Garbage... - ---------------------Walter-------------- ------------------------------ From: The Stranded Subject: Farewell 4 now Got to go away for a while, sniff... So I thought Ild just say bye. But I'll be back. Keep insane always. The Mailman. ------------------------------ From: mattlaw@cogs.susx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... > > 76>I can't remember where I saw this, but I loved it: Get A Real Job!!! > > 76>-Mop > > 76>PS What is Head Down about? Does the baby in the linear notes have any > 76>significance, like the death of innocense or something along those lines??? > > On the Headbangers Ball where Soundgarden went bowling, Ben says Head > Down is about "a kid who is taught to smile, and then that smile is > taken away" or something like that. > Yeah, that makes sense to me.. I really identify with that song in a strange way, evn though I don't really know what it's about. It reminds me of the feeling I go twhen I went to school and had to face all the arseholes. . It's like you're trapped in a shell and you just can't smile any more.. I don't know, I'm rambling, but I'm sure there are some people on this list who can identify with what I'm talking about. Matt I think I ought to learn how to write, or something.... ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: DAMMMMMMIT Matt replied to my thinge about Head Down and then wrote me saying he didn't know if he copied it to the list, so I did for him, and then I looked ahead in my mail and found the same message replying to the thing about Head Down.. so he did send it to the list after all. And then I did :> Sorry about that :> Please, um, disregard it or something :> Oh and about that guitar playing asshole guy who insists Kim sucks: (hehe) YOU MUST BE REALLY BORED AND HAVE A WORSE LIFE THAN I DO (and that's pretty bad) IF YOU'RE GONNA SIT THERE WITH YOUR SPARE TIME AND MAIL A MAILING LIST OF A BAND YOU HATE BITCHING ABOUT HOW MUCH THEIR GUITARIST SUCKS. I mean, COME ON! I have TONS of spare time on MY hands and NO life, and am I sitting here mailing the Disco list saying how much it sucks? How pathetic. foreshocks No offense meant to disco. ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Re: Mike McCreedy's playing On 5 Mar 96 at 21:59, Erik Lundsten wrote: > Clown wrote: > >It has taken me about 3 years to really like totd, because I > >don't like Mike McCreedy's guitar style. > > Are you crazy?! > How can you NOT like Mike's exellent guitar playing? > I'm so upset I wont be able to sleep tonight. > Besides Kim, Mike is the fucking guitar god. > > By the way, I get so angry when someone say that > Yngwie Malmsteen is good. > There is more to guitar playing then advanced technic. > He is really an asshole and he was one even before moving to USA and > changing his name. > > Thats my oppinion and I will stick with it forever! > -Erik > ***The one who lives while others lie.*** > _I_ also don't care for Mike McCready's playing! It's all...rambling stuff! I have a tape a friend did of a PJ soundcheck MINUS Mike, and it sounded just as good! But then I'm not into flash guitarists; I like solid players like Kim, Stone, etc. (Just to compare notes, my list also includes Trevor Rabin formerly of YES, Steve Lukather, Jamie West-Oram from the Fixx and Inflatable Soule's Joel Tipke--you watch, one of these days that kid is going to be recognized as an amazing talent, but for now only us IS fans know the score--he's better than McCready!) Malmsteen is not great shakes....and why the heck can't people let poor dead Randy Rhodes alone??? All just IMHO, my 2 cents worth and all that! :) later...deb ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Re: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. On 5 Mar 96 at 15:56, Foxymophandlemama wrote: > I like REM too, but Stipe isn't even on the same scale as Chris as far as > singing goes. The only way they compare is that they both can ellicit quite a > lot of emotion into the songs (although Ed is the guru at that). > > As far as the Temple project goes, I love it. I think it was a healthy way for > Chris and Jeff and Stone to let go of a lot of the grief they'd been hanging > onto after Andy's death. > > I was wondering: How does the list feel about bootlegs? Not studio ones, but > ones that you and I have made from time to time. Are people neutral to them, or > for or against?? > > Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear Shroom, happy > birthday to you :-) > Have a great day and WIN THE LOTTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Ok, I have homwork. Bye > > -Mophandlemama > > PS THANK YOU MF for all the work w/ the shirts!!! Chris shall repay you :-) > I agree, Temple was a great way for Chris, Stone and Jeff to let out some grief. A one-off deal and that's all--pure carthartic therapy. I'm all for live tapes of shows--how else can fans share their experiences? What i AM against is all these over priced, lousy quality CD BOOTS that this list buys!!! I know how cheap it is to make a CD, yet people get charged $30-$50 for these things!!! It's all available on tape, plus a heck of a lot more, if you get into the trading circuits! I've said it before, so forgive me--buy an issue of Goldmine, a collectors newspaper, check out the classifieds and contact traders. It takes time but there's good stuff out there! Also, everyone is still talking about the Reading Fest--I have a 90 minute video tape of Soundgarden's performance if anyone is into live video. Email me. CYL! deb ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: we hear you wail... Sorry, can't agree with you there. They are all equally awesome. Have you ever seen them perform Half live?? You would certainly change your opinion if you had. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, blind dog wrote: > On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Geoff wrote: > > > That's right. Big Ben is better than both put together. Not just > > because he is made of rubber, either. Face Pollution, Half, Head Down > > and Somewhere. Need I say more? > > I think that we would all have to agree (at least I hope so) that > half would have to be the worst of that bunch hands down. especially in > the case of head down :) half just doesn't sound like a soundgarden > song, and more like something ben would do solo. I'm all for > experimentation, but something about that song irks me. on the other > hand, somewhere, face pollution and head down are really good songs, and > don't fool around like half does. > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? I don't know, man. I think he was serious. Why would he take all that time to endow us with his musical wisdom? This guy is a class A fucker. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, John Grieves wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone thought this guy could've been baiting us? > Sorta like a few months back when someone wrote us with a single line > SOUNDGARDEN SUCKS? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Subject: Re: Kyle Petty Son of Richard >ME>Did Matt write KYle Petty, Son of Richard. I think that he did because it >ME>is a pretty simple song, guitar and bass wise. Anyone? > >Chris wrote the lyrics, and Kim wrote the music. > > Nothingman > > -I think Chris just wanted to say fuck a lot...Big Dumb Sex got old >for that. This just reminded me :) The great lords of radio land decided to grace my car with the sounds of Kyle Petty on my way home last night :) Was cool, the DJ was talking about the Home Alive thing, i was thinking to myself you had better play SG off that album!!!!! And sure enough..."cause we haven't had anything new for awhile from them, heres Soundgarden and Kylie Petty Son of Richard" :) was very cool and I did enjoy the break from the death metal the JJJ 3 hours of power seemed to get into on tuesday night. Tho I think neighbouring cars looked at me funny jumping around like I was driving the car :) BTW anyone else love this song as much as me? Can't wait to hear what it sounds like on the album :) anyway enough raving :) seeya _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Fast Stories....From Kid Coma" by Truly ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: Good singers and TOTD >..to add something to the discussions 'bout who are good singers.. how 'bout >Mr. Stipe from R.E.M., he surely can sing good....perhaps even better than >Mr. Cornell..... .............well, I like REM (sometimes) but I think - as someone said earlier - Stipey is a bit whiny at times. He doesn't have the power either....... .......but he can send shivers up your spine sometimes.... ok. I don't wanna start up that Chris Vs. Eddie thing again, so I'll say this. Mark Lanegan has got a great voice. That's all I have to say right now because it's getting cold in this bloody lab............ Beck(soon-to-be-with-frostbite) ps. i lied. I have something else to say.... >BTW : what is the general opinion of all soundgarden fans here on the Temple >of the Dog-album.. i've seen some opinions yet and i get the impression most >people think that album is significantly less good than the >soundgarden-albums... but then some people quite like it... >I think it's quite cool... soundgarden-level-of-quality... ....TOTD is great. One of my favourite albums. But it's bound to not sound like sg because there's no Kim or Ben there (oooh, hey!!that's relevant to the canyougetridofbandmembers discussion!!!!!). I'd rate TOTD as pretty much equal to sg stuff too....different sound tho' that's it... me longest contribution so far... (and proberbly crappiest...) - ------------------------------------------------- "Bang, Bang, you're dead, hole in your head" - Billy Corgan.. - ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Reading Boot > You totally get the pre-concert anxiety at the beginning >of the boot. Sounds like it was quite a gig. .......It was. There was so much anticipation there.......... Beck - your provider of free useless titbits of nothingness......... ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? At 10:05 06/03/96 -0500, Ross Filipek wrote: >I don't know, man. I think he was serious. Why would he take all that >time to endow us with his musical wisdom? This guy is a class A fucker. > >Ross Could be, Ross - I'm just trying to figure out why someone (who I can't remember ever posting anything before and probably - hopefully? - will never post anything) would be so naive as to send something like that when the vast majority of people on the list AT LEAST like Kim Thayil's efforts, if not, like me, love it. Surely he knew what sorta reaction to expect? Unless of course you hit the nail on the head - he is a class A fucker!!! As for Kim Thayil technically, I'll let an interview from last December's Guitar World do the talking on Kim's attitude to speed playing etc.: GUITAR WORLD: What does "technique" mean to you? Can technique be differentiated from style? THAYIL: Your lack of technique can be part of your style. The thing about style is that it's more entertaining, more important and hopefully more intellectual than technique. To me, technique means proficiency. Every so often Soundgarden writes songs that are beyond our ability. The idea is not to make things tough on yourself. Sure that's a challenge, but it's kind of foolish and dumb. Tools are there to make it easier to express your ideas. You don't go and try to hammer a nail with a sponge or a basketball. Get a good hammer! People waste their time. The reason people use alternate tunings is to make slide or playing a certain chord easier. GUITAR WORLD: When were you aware that you were working outside the mainstream, not that you ever worked in the mainstream? THAYIL: Yeah, I don't think I ever did. The first year I played guitar I was trying to get faster than Hendrix. Speed was the whole thing. You had to be able to play really fast. That's a really immature, sophomoric approach to music or your instrument. 'Nuff said, Hector? Jackhammer. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, John Grieves wrote: > >> I was just wondering if anyone thought this guy could've been baiting us? >> Sorta like a few months back when someone wrote us with a single line >> SOUNDGARDEN SUCKS? >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ From: "Andy Lenart" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 6 Mar 1996 I totally agree with Sean, who commented about "Spanking the Monkey" references found in Drawing Flies. I think a number of SG songs have an overwhelming parallel to the act. Take the song "Kickstand" and the lyrics: "Kickstand, you got loose and I threw up." "Kickstand, you got the juice to fill my cup." "Come stand me up.....Come stand me up......" I don't know, what do you all think? Or how about BHS? "In my eyes, in dispose, in disguise as no one knows" "....Lies the SNAKE, the SUN in my disgrace" "Black hole SUN, won't you COME?" Pretty nasty stuff if you think about it that way. Maybe I'm just sick, but it's obvious to me. -Andy Lenart- - -Milwaukee School of Engineering- lenarta@warp.msoe.edu ------------------------------ From: swr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven Russell Jr.) Subject: All my Kings have fallen down Hey list! I know this was brought up a while back...but I dont remember seeing a reply. The whole "90" clothing thing. Was the meaning ever revealed? I'm sitting here studying torsion and bending moments and I put in the ToTD album. I just noticed on the cover, landrew? is wearing a 90 shirt. I dont think it's chris 'cause I've seen the video for the ToTD live performance and CC wasnt wearing a 90 shirt. Could Andy's interest in 90 be one of the reasons? Was the 90 symbol a tribute to andy? I think it is, maybe? Is it some pagan symbolic number? I dont think it's a random number...It means something to someone. Also 1990 was a shitty year for SG, They had to deal with that weenie jason everman. If you've seen the German SG television appearance in 1990 with everman...chris looks pale as a lightbulb. It was 2 weeks after andrew's death and he looks like a ghost. In the vid is the first time I heard CC sing the "jesus is my friend" chorus as he dedicates the song "I Awake" to Andy. Then he repeats the phrase in an a cappella version as an intro to "Beyond the Wheel" IMHO this is THE most powerful moment I've witnessed in SG video. Also in the video, both everman and kim are wearing 90 clothing. Hmmm...when did they start wearing it? Maybe this was a way to cast out the demons of 1990? They did end 1990 on a high note at the bumbershoot festival debuting ben shepherd...and they did put out the sub pop 7".... comments much appreciated... Steve - - swr@acsu.buffalo.edu - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr - - SG Web Alliance ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Another Great Lolla Confirmation! Q104.3 FM New York announced that the Ramones are on the Lollapalooza bill this summer! -Vikki PS: I have a little fantasy. Wouldn't the tour be perfect if Inflatable Soule would play Lolla's second stage? Well, a girl can dream... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: DAMMMMMMIT FO>No offense meant to disco. Disco rules. Nothingman -It had to be said. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: All my Kings have fallen down SW>The whole "90" clothing thing. Was the meaning ever revealed? Wow, I think you're trying too hard. Some company makes them, and I think it's Split. 90 is probably just a number that someone in the company thought would be a good line of clothing. Or maybe that's when they started making them. I dunno. I think maybe SG just like those shirts, or maybe they have some kind of sponsor think with them, because they seem to wear them a lot. Anyway, I've gotta get my hands on a shirt similar to the one Kim's wearing in the FOBD video. Nothingman -And then there's Kim's Marvin the Martian shirt. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Kyle Petty Son of Richard AR>neighbouring cars looked at me funny jumping around like I was driving the AR>car :) BTW anyone else love this song as much as me? So this song makes you bounce around, too, huh? It makes me bob my head to the beat, and eventually start jumping all over my car. Just thinking about it makes my head bounce. It's a great song. Nothingman -Stomach's burnin' alcohol, I musta burned a bottle full. ------------------------------ From: el@algonet.se (Erik Lundsten) Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? I think you all participating in this guitardiscussion are leaving out the most important thing. Orginality! Many of todays guitar heroes can play Jimi Hendrix solos w/ their hands tied behind their back but who really gives a fuck. If you listen to Stevie Vai's songs you can hear that he is trying so hard to play fast and advanced licks that he forgets what it sounds like. Soundgarden is pure music as I see it while Stevie Vai's "music" is just a bunch of advanced chords and licks. SG is more then some chords and riffs just listen to Chris vocals and Matt's exellent drumming. As goes for the supid fuck that claims that Kim is a bad guitar player. Have you ever played a SG song??? Have a unbad day! ERIK ***The one who lives while others lie*** ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Re: we hear you wail... GK>Sorry, can't agree with you there. They are all equally awesome. Have GK>you ever seen them perform Half live?? You would certainly change your GK>opinion if you had. Exactly :> I LOVE Half live and I don't like it nearly as much on the cd.. The album version is ok, but I much prefer it live. Or something. Why, I can remember seeing Soundgarden in Rochester (sigh) and they started to play it and I had NO idea what it was, it's so different live.. It took me about three minutes to realize what it was :> There goes Foreshocks displaying her village idiocy or something :> Yeah :> foreshocks ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Re: All my Kings have fallen down All I know about the 90 clothing is that it is skateboarder clothing. It's the brand name, and they put it on their clothing as a logo. We had wondered about that oo, until we encountered someone from Arizona who has a relative who owns a sports clothing store, and on a past tour, CC had gone to this store and bought hundreds of $ worth of 90 clothing. That's all I know it stands for! /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Exit Stonehenge Mop>Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear Shroom, happy Mop>birthday to you :-) Mop>Have a great day and WIN THE LOTTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Mop!! I'm tryin'!!! I'm REALLY REALLY TRYIN'!! Ummm... I was going to say something intelligent here, but I forgot what it was. Oh yah!! Regarding the supergroovycool song Exit Stonehenge: Can someone please tell me what in the hell Chris is talking about on it? >Jesus I can't feel my penis >Exit Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge >Jesus I can't touch my penis >Jesus I can't see my feet >Jesus I don't like my penis >Exit Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge What, praytell, is this about? Maybe Chris is denying his masculinity? Maybe he's commiserating with John Bobbit? Maybe he was just fucking around? Maybe I'm listening to the lyrics wrong? Maybe I shouldn't have had those margarita's with my lunch? Ahhh, well. Shroom girl the sloshed fungi ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: All my Kings have fallen down I used to be into skateboarding and all that good stuff, as my English teacher would say :> Anyway I think that 90 is like a brand or something, because it was big with the skaters :> But Soundgarden could wear it for a symbolic reason, but doesn't Chris skate?... He snowboards, that I know, and I read in Thrasher a long time ago on the BMF tour, it said something like Chris had broken his wrist at a show and couldn't skate because of it.. Anyone know anything about Chris breaking his wrist? :> I'll be quiet now foreshocks ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: vinyl I was in Indianapolis over the weekend and found a record store called "missing Link" records. It's down in the Broad Ripple area. They had at least three copies of Screaming Life on vinyl. The prices ranged from $10.00 to $25.00. They also had every major release on vinyl. No bootlegs, but still a great store. BK ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Re: All my Kings have fallen down On 6 Mar 1996 rc@gcc.cc.md.us wrote: > SW>The whole "90" clothing thing. Was the meaning ever revealed? > > Wow, I think you're trying too hard. coming from someone who averages 10 posts a day...I must be 'cause you'd know. Some company makes them, and I > think it's Split. 90 is probably just a number that someone in the > company thought would be a good line of clothing. Or maybe that's when > they started making them. I dunno. I think maybe SG just like those > shirts, or maybe they have some kind of sponsor think with them, BUT, while the 90 logo is a skaters logo...there has to be some connection between andy wood wearing a 90 shirt on the cover of the ToTD album and every member (yes, besides chris there are 3 others, 4 if you count J. Everman) wearing the same logo at various times for two tours. Though I never saw a picture of Ben with the logo... Could it be as simple as a tribute to andy? It means something....in some direct/indirect way. Where's LM....!!???? Let's ask the sgkots! Or better yet...let's consult their FAQ. steve - - swr@acsu.buffalo.edu - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr - - SG Web Alliance ------------------------------ Subject: Re: vinyl From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Mar 06, 1996 15:09:29, '"B. Kinser" ' wrote: >I was in Indianapolis over the weekend and found a record store called "missing >Link" records Indianapolis is getting to be a pretty together city for being in the middle of Indiana. I have been to that store and it's pretty good! I saw a copy of Sub Pop 7" single of HIV Baby and Room a Thousand Years Wide( I don't know if it was the purple vinyl or not) in a record store in Bucktown in Chicago and it was $39.99. I don't collect vinyl myself( I have enough old albums in my garage) but isn't that alot of money for 2 songs??? Just askin!-T ------------------------------ Subject: Lolla 1996: SG and the Ramones are friends! From: seth This is from imusic.com: The Main Stage Line-up for Lollapalooza '96 is shaping up to be an "alternative" to previous year's bills, with the announcement of Elektra Records' artist Metallica as headliners. Soundgarden and the Ramones have also been added to the Main Stage Line-up. According to Lollapalooza organizer Peter Grosslight, Metallica is an appropriate choice as a headliner: "The early response to Metallica was, 'They're not alternative,'" he says. "Lollapalooza is, and always has been, about curve balls. Having Metallica as a headliner is indeed a curve ball -- very Lollapalooza." Metallica is currently in the studio recording their latest, as-yet-untitled album, which should be released before the Lollapalooza tour begins. Soundgarden, who just recently entered the interactive marketplace with the release of the CD-ROM Alive in the Superunknown, has also finished recording their latest effort, which will be available May 21. The Ramones, who just last year called it quits, agreed to make Lollapalooza '96 their official swan song, as per the request of their friends in Soundgarden. Most of the Lollapalooza '96 dates will occur in fields, as opposed to permanent standing structures. Organizer Marc Geiger says this "allows for the ideal Lollapalooza environment." More Main Stage and Second Stage acts, as well as other surprise announcements for Lollapalooza '96 to be announced on a weekly basis. Lollapalooza '96 kicks-off at the end of June. When asked why the band agreed to be part of the Lollapalooza troupe Johnny Ramone answered, "We're doing Lollapalooza because Soundgarden asked us. We like them, and it will be nice to be around friends for six weeks. When we first announced our disbanding we had a lot of offers, but Lollapalooza is special. Also, I think it's a better way to hit the whole country. It seemed like it was going to be the best Lollapalooza since the second one with Soundgarden and Pearl Jam -- which is true." "By doing Lollapalooza we have a chance to play with some of our friends like Soundgarden," said Joey Ramone. "It also gives us a chance to tour the whole country one last time for all of our fans and go out with a big bang." ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: Kyle Petty Son of Richard Did they "bleep out" the profanity since it was on the radio? Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 ar303921@student.uq.edu.au wrote: > This just reminded me :) The great lords of radio land decided to grace my > car with the sounds of Kyle Petty on my way home last night :) Was cool, the - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: S0undgardn@aol.com Subject: Re: All my Kings have fallen down In a message dated 96-03-06 15:02:07 EST, you write: >"90" is a logo for some sort of snowboarding or sports company. > >andrea@kidstar.com > > Yes "90" is a snowboarding logo. I know that for a fact. Which would make sense concidering they are snowboarders(well at least Chris is) Have a lovely evening! S0undgardn ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? > he is not trying to press > anyone with lightning fast > ability, if he wanted to, > he could join a band like > Korn or Dream Theater. Hate to harp on stuff, but for the record, the guys in Korn don't solo. :)> Sorry... back to the list, now. ;) Glenn ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Re: Mike McCreedy's playing > Are you crazy?! > How can you NOT like Mike's excellent guitar > playing? I don't know what Clown thinks, but personally, I don't like Mike because I find his leads weak. Basically, he plays a rehashed blues-style pattern in every song.. you may like that, I don't. His wah stuff is nasty, too. Ah well. Just an opinion. :)> Glenn ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? > For anyone who really knows how to play the GUITAR Hello. I'm listening... > Kim is one of the worst > guitar players nowadays. Of course, people other than me have already argued this point backwards, forwards, and upside down. I don't want to be repetitive, but: Please, for the love of Pete, pull your swelled head out of your ass, thanks. What is your rating scale?? What is a "good" guitar player, or a "bad" guitar player?? Yeah, Nuno, Satch, and Vai can motor on a fretboard, but what's the point when they all sound the same?? What was the last Vai song that ignited a musical revolution because of its unbridled creativity?? What was the last Vai song that was truly memorable?? I'd like you to name the last song by any artist you just listed that created the kind of haunting, striking, and downright disturbing mood that the relatively simplistic, yet heavy, riff from "4th of July" does. And, hey, Kim can play fast. He just chooses to try and work around it (though he admits he still does it far to often... what a great guy... :)> ). I find more influence from a player like Kim (or a Slash, who can play fast but goes for mood instead, or Mr. Jerry Cantrell) because I find it easier to respect his music when I know he feels what he's playing. I want to point out that I appreciate fast playing; it's tough to do well. The problem is, it gets stale real quick. You see, that's why Satch and Vai consistantly put out the same album: their albums are simply showcases for playing prowess, rather than real music. (No offence to any fans of either gentleman.) > what you think of the new > BOSS turbo OVERDRIVE I have one that I got free off of a friend, and I hate it... I don't like the distortion sound. Now tell me again why I should care? Hector... my advice to you is this: Open your ears. Glenn - -- P.S. I do, however, have great respect for both Randy Rhodes (God bless him) and Marty Friedman. - --P.S.S. In defence of guitar mags, most of them are focusing on new guitarists more than "hair farmers". I have to admit, even I get sick of reading interviews with guys who say stuff like "I don't like lead 'cause I can't play it," and other great jems like "I can't really play" and "There's only so much you can do with a guitar." But most of these jokers are only cashing in on the "alternative revolution", so I try not to give it much thought. Oh, and Urbano? Kim was voted THE BEST alternative guitarist LAST YEAR, to compliment his admirable placing this year. :)> ------------------------------ From: Wallace Sueyoshi Subject: RE: All my Kings have fallen down "90" was started in the late 80's by two vert pros (skateboarding) for = Sims/Vision. It's still based in Arizona. The only connection I could = think of is that Kevin S. has always been into music and played in a few = bands. Maybe he hooked up with one of those guys. I have the address if = any one really wants it (It's amazing who'll you'll meet while on the = road). ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? Glenn wrote: > Oh, and Urbano? > Kim was voted THE BEST alternative guitarist LAST YEAR, > to compliment his admirable placing this year. :)> Yeah, posted that after the first post... it was just that I didn't finish reading the article and started posting it, sorry :^) He'll win again, I think, like you, that those guitarrists that play so fast that you can't even distinguish a note from another suck. Creativity AND mood must go hand by hand... URBANO ______________________________________________________________ The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life. - William Faulkner ------------------------------ From: Irv Subject: t-shirt Hey, I have some more ideas for the list shirts. How about: "I posted to somms@mit.edu and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" or "Somms: It's not just for breakfast anymore" think about it, Irv. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 56] ***************************************