From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 6 Mar 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 00:41:04 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 6 Mar 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: still the willow weeps... (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) )@.^Fxx|| q[k'^Fnx||'??? (Fwd) Boys in the band. (Fwd) Faith No More - no sg content, sorry *slap wrist* (Fwd) Guitar World's reader's poll (Fwd) yaaaayyyy!!!! TroubleBOMB Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. Music Publishing Companies... Re: still the willow weeps... (Fwd) Boys in the band. Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. RE: searchlight soul they say... Re: still the willow weeps... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 5 Mar 1996 Re: Music Publishing Companies... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 5 Mar 1996 Re: Music Publishing Companies... Re: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. Mike McCreedy's playing Re: Music Publishing Companies... 'Drawing Flies' signifigance Reading Boot Re: Guitar World's reader's poll LIKE GUITAR? Re: LIKE GUITAR? Brujeria win95 bites Re: Les' playing Re: CD+ BABY!!! Kyle Petty Son of Richard Re: Brujeria Re: 'Drawing Flies' signifigance Re: LIKE GUITAR? wash away the rain... Re: CD+ BABY!!! Re: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. Temple o' da dog album Reading Boot Face Pollution la rock sucks... Re: Music Publishing Companies... Re: LIKE GUITAR? shirts Re: la rock sucks... Re: Music Publishing Companies... Where's David Lee Roth?? Re: la rock sucks... Soundgarden & religion class ------------------------------------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: still the willow weeps... On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, seth wrote: > On the four major albums (I will deal with _Screaming Life_ and _Fopp_ > separately), there are 51 songs, the music for 25 of which Chris > Cornell did not write. Granted, that's less than half, but when you > Songs with music written by Chris: 27 > Songs with music not written by Chris: 30 not having looked at the liner notes today, I can't be sure if I'm right or not, but surely chris wrote more than that seth. are you counting songs where he co-wrote the music with someone else, like slaves and bulldozers with ben or (not sure) superunknown with kim? he definitely writes the lion's share of the lyrics, and I don't think there are any soundgarden songs that are written by only one person other than chris. whereas he has written songs like fell on black days, outshined and fourth of july all on his little lonesome. I agree that there a quite a few cool songs that are not entirely chris', or even his at all (head down, room a thousand years wide), but you have to admit that he does write a hell of a lot of material for soundgarden. this may be only because some of the songs written by matt, kim and ben aren't soundgardeny songs, and maybe they have taken a new direction on the next record because they are recording more songs by the rest of the band. I hope so, because a little variety never hurt anyone :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) )@.^Fxx|\| q[k'^Fnx|\|'??? >Don't you remember "CAPTAIN CAVEMAN" ? Big furry bloke?? That's Kim ;) >He used to shout "Captain CAAAAAAAAAAAVEMAN" and wave a big (guitar shaped) >club around.... > Matt ............Captain Caveman!!! That's the one!! Beck - why didn't I think of that? ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Boys in the band. >. Sg is like a puzzle remover a piece and the picture is ruined ...........I would have to agree with that. I don't really like the idea of band members leaving and so on once a band has really gelled. Cos it is definitely like a puzzle; that's a good way of putting it. People ususally say the singer is the most important because a voice is inevitably more distinctive than an instrument, but people's playing styles are just as important and bring just as much to a band...(albeit in different ways). .........I agree that sg would not be sg without Chris Cornell but I do not agree with the idea that '' Chris Cornell is Soundgarden'' (my friend suggested this to me over the weekend; I was not impressed..). For example, the band would not be the same without Kim - no way... ...........When bands have to replcae members, they are lucky when it works out. I think that Metallica, for example, were lucky in finding Jason (tho' the band is now different from Cliff-era Metallica), and he fits with the band (bringing his own identity into it as well).....they haven't suffered, but I really do think that FNM have gone downhill since the departure of Jim Martin, maybe not even in their music but more in their ''feel''. .....Ah, I'm talking bollocks, I'll give up now.. Beck ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Faith No More - no sg content, sorry *slap wrist* >>.and Mike Patton is way better. You couldn't have FNM >>without him.... ......Ok, sorry - this has NO sg content whatsoever, so delete now if you don't want one of my digressions...... > The Real Thing's music was >written before Mike Patton was even decided upon as singer for Faith No >More... .......yes, but he did write the lyrics. Also, can you imagine Chuck Mosely doing the vocals on that? It wouldn't be the same record....the lyrics are important too, and I think that Mike's are more intelligent, sick and witty....and this has now become one of the band's ''trademarks''. > The integral members, the long standing members of Faith No More >(and Faith No Man as it was originally known), any of whom without which >Faith No More could be no longer, are bassist (Billy Gould), drummer (Mike >"Puffy" Bordin) and keyboardist (Roddy Bottum), who met way before Jim >Martin or Chuck Mosely even came on the scene... ......yeah, I know, and they are just as important as Mike Patton, for example... Roddy brings a unique sound to the music - it just wouldn't be FNM without him. But, personally, I think that the band hit on the perfect combination when Mike Patton arrived on the scene; you can see this in Angel Dust (which I believe to be their best album)....by which time Mike Patton was more immersed in the band and able to be more experimental. .....As for Jim Martin, I would say that his departure was a shame. It still seems unnatural without him. Sure, there was lots of tension towards the end - I saw them live just before he was dismissed and you could see it - but he was still a big part of the band. I don't think KFAD....... is such a good album. It's OK - there are some great songs - but it's not as cohesive...I am not sure why....perhaps things will get better (it's not as if they've released a crap album) but I really do think Angel Dust was their peak and it doesn't look as if they'll be able to match it again. >Comprimise - you couldn't have Faith No More exactly as we know it without >Mike Patton - but that's like saying Faith No More wouldn't quite be the >same without Jim Martin (note the change in guitar styles between Angel Dust >and King For A Day..Fool For A Lifetime)... ........EXACTLY!!! I think we sort of agree, actually, don't we......? ........perhaps I didn't make myself clear firs time around...... Beck - SORRY FOR THE TANGENT GUYS!!!! ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Guitar World's reader's poll >Also, Kim was ranked as the fourth best alternative guitarist as well as >fourth best hardrock/metal guitarist... ........good news! It's nice to know that...and it's better that it's coming from a mucicians' mag rather than Rolling Stone or some other music mag - I expect people are rated more for their ability... >The following awards are not SG related, but I think they're funny: >WORST BAND > 1. Green Day ..............ha hah hhahhhh hah haha !! Death to Billie Joe!!!! > 5. No new Metallica album (I think this is cool...) .........I like Metallica. This is irrelevant but I heard on the radio that there is a new album (I also read this in Kerrang),and they even have July 4 (or maybe June...I always get 'em mixed up) as a tentative release date... Beck ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) yaaaayyyy!!!! > Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me... HAPPY BIRTHDAY >DEEEEEEEEEEAR SHROOOOOOOOM.... happy birthday tooooo meeeee!!!! .......wow!! it was my birthday on Monday too...!!! > When I got up this morning, "The day I >tried to live" was on the radio. ..........I'm jealous... > Ministry is going to be in San Antonio ..........jealous again........ > LOTTERY ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT (or Saturday, or >EVER), I WILL SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS IT TAKES TO GET SOUNDGARDEN TO PLAY A >PRIVATE SHOW JUST FOR US!!! .....I hope you win the lottery then........ : D | Beck The Tuesday Irrelevant........ ------------------------------ From: "LaughingBoy" Subject: TroubleBOMB Don't you guys just think that Motor cycle loop was soundgarden sticking it's huge middle finger at everyone as they laughed in the background? "...They are a monkery of mankind in it's most triumphant hour. They are the thorn in our proverbial side. They are a lingering sickness in an otherwise healthy person. They are a pox on humanity thus they should be delt with as such. -Dr.Collin Folgers Ph.d "Monkies: a Pox on Humanity " LaughingBOY/HEPTOZIGMAN/Planet-X ------------------------------ From: "soepkip inc." Subject: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. ..to add something to the discussions 'bout who are good singers.. how 'bout Mr. Stipe from R.E.M., he surely can sing good....perhaps even better than Mr. Cornell..... Well....perhaps not :-).. BTW.. in 'Limo Wreck', isn't there the line : 'the building of towers belongs to sky, don't run to me when it all comes down...', i think, but i'm not sure, this is also the subject in the R.E.M.-song 'Fall on me'... Do both soundgarden and R.E.M. dislike high buildings ?... Another Soundgarden-R.E.M.-point... the t-shirt Mr. Stipe is wearing in the 'What's the frequency Kenneth ?'-video and the one Mr. Cornell is wearing in the BHS-video... are similar in exactly that point for which i think they are cool... (this is the longest english sentence i've ever made i think..) AND that point is, they are both unicolored in a darkish color, with just one simple symbol on it.. in Mr. Stipe's case a star and in Mr. Cornell's case a skull... BTW : what is the general opinion of all soundgarden fans here on the Temple of the Dog-album.. i've seen some opinions yet and i get the impression most people think that album is significantly less good than the soundgarden-albums... but then some people quite like it... I think it's quite cool... soundgarden-level-of-quality... that's it... me longest contribution so far... (and proberbly crappiest...) - ------------------------------------------------- "Bang, Bang, you're dead, hole in your head" - Billy Corgan.. - ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Music Publishing Companies... Does anyone else out there love some of the names that are come up with for music publishing companies to hold copyrights? eg: Soundgarden - You Make Me Sick I Make Music - In One Ear And Out Your Mother Music - Stupidities - Noyes Faith No More - Big Thrilling Music - Vomit God Music Pearl Jam - Write Treatage Music - Innocent Bystander Alice In Chains - Buttnugget Publishing Prince - Controversy Music Anyone else got some? Dig out your guitar tablatures now... Jackhammer. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: still the willow weeps... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > not having looked at the liner notes today, I can't be sure if I'm >right or not, but surely chris wrote more than that seth. are you >counting songs where he co-wrote the music with someone else, like slaves >and bulldozers with ben or (not sure) superunknown with kim? he definitely >writes the lion's share of the lyrics, and I don't think there are any >soundgarden songs that are written by only one person other than chris. Head Down - Lyrics & Music Ben Shepherd Half - Lyrics & Music Ben Shepherd Somewhere - Lyrics & Music Ben Shepherd IMHO Soundgarden is now like Led Zep was, a single unit.. If one of it's member would leave some of the magic would be gone. The band could go on, but it just won't be true Soundgarden.... Who would want to see SG without Kim's steady guitar work or his penetrating eyes. Who would want to see SG without Matt's glorious drumming or that little boy grin. Who would want to see SG without Ben's driving bass or strange body movements. Who would want to see SG without Chris's beautiful voice or his powerful presents. Jamie I have seen the truth and it makes no sense. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: (Fwd) Boys in the band. RK>.........I agree that sg would not be sg without Chris Cornell but I RK>do not agree with the idea that '' Chris Cornell is Soundgarden'' (my RK>friend suggested this to me over the weekend; I was not impressed..). RK>For example, the band would not be the same without Kim - no way... I don't think Chris makes Soundgarden either. But if he left, Soundgarden would be no more. They might still have a band named Soundgarden, but it wouldn't be anything near what it is now. It is the combined effort of all four that make Soundgarden. Nothingman -I wanna be different like all the other people I wanna be like. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. W.>..to add something to the discussions 'bout who are good singers.. how 'bout W.>Mr. Stipe from R.E.M., he surely can sing good....perhaps even better than W.>Mr. Cornell..... W.>Well....perhaps not :-).. He's too whiney sometimes. I do think he has a good voice though. I love Nightswimming and You are the Everything. W.>BTW.. in 'Limo Wreck', isn't there the line : 'the building of towers W.>belongs to sky, don't run to me when it all comes down...', i think, but i'm W.>not sure, this is also the subject in the R.E.M.-song 'Fall on me'... Do W.>both soundgarden and R.E.M. dislike high buildings ?... Kurt Cobain said one his main influences was REM, and he was striving to be more like them (as in put out quality music for many, many years), unfortunately, he went and got a hole in his head, and now he has a head like a hole. Anyway, maybe REM was a Soundgarden influence too. I dunno. I heard Chris likes Yes, so maybe. I just realised (I realised it before, but just didn't relate it) that the members of Soundgarden have a pretty diverse taste in music also. We were talking about that before, so i just decided to say it. W.>BTW : what is the general opinion of all soundgarden fans here on the W.>Templeof the Dog-album.. I love it. It's my all time favorite depressing album. I think it's just as good as the other SG albums. I don't think Mike McCready is near as good as Kim, but I don't think it was Kim's style. Maybe Reach Down and some of the other harder stuff, but Kim doesn't seem to like the softer songs. Nothingman -Don't give me your saviour. ------------------------------ From: dallis@hq.walldata.com (Allis, Don) Subject: RE: searchlight soul they say... that was for Inflatable Soul. ---------- From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: searchlight soul they say... Date: Monday, March 04, 1996 5:22PM On Mon, 4 Mar 1996 dallis@hq.walldata.com wrote: > They are having a CD release party here in Seattle on March 23 at MOE'S. You > should try some music stores in Seattle for their CD, I see them quite > often. I can give you some names and numbers if you want. are you sure about this one? I thought there was no way the album was going to be out before the end of may. maybe you are thinking cd+ or something? otherwise, let soundgarden produce their own albums every time, if it only takes them two weeks to mix :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: still the willow weeps... From: seth > > On the four major albums (I will deal with _Screaming Life_ and _Fopp_ > > separately), there are 51 songs, the music for 25 of which Chris > > Cornell did not write. Granted, that's less than half, but when you > > Songs with music written by Chris: 27 > > Songs with music not written by Chris: 30 > > not having looked at the liner notes today, I can't be sure if I'm > right or not, but surely chris wrote more than that seth. are you > counting songs where he co-wrote the music with someone else, like slaves > and bulldozers with ben or (not sure) superunknown with kim? no, i'm not. i am comparing music that he wrote alone to music that he did not write alone. i guess i should have been a bit more specific. granted, his input appears on several other collaborative efforts ("jesus christ pose," "slaves & bulldozers," etc.), but i'm not counting those as Songs With Music Written By Chris Cornell. Without him, they definitely would not exist in their current dorm, but without any of the co-composers, they would not exist either. > I don't think there are any > soundgarden songs that are written by only one person other than chris. if i'm not mistaken, ben wrote "somewhere," "half," and "head down" by himself... > whereas he has written songs like fell on black days, outshined and > fourth of july all on his little lonesome. and credit where credit is due: he's a phenomenal songwriter, no doubt about it. i wasn't trying to say that chris was a useless part of the band, not at all, but i think we can all agree that the songs that have been written could only have been a result of exact circumstances. we can come up with as many theories as we want about what would have happened or what would happen if a certain member of the band were to leave, but it's just as likely that a rainstorm tomorrow instead of a sunny day could have an impact on soundgarden's songwriting. seth ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 5 Mar 1996 Here are ClownWithBazooka's general comments on the sg digest on the date of March 4, 1996 > Speaking of this topic, I think > Soundgarden wouldn't be the same if any one member left, but it would > be most lacking if Chris left. Ok, now before you shoot me, listen. > Who writes just about all of the music? >>Well, let's just see, shall we? >>On the four major albums (I will deal with _Screaming Life_ and _Fopp_ >>eparately), there are 51 songs, the music for 25 of which Chris >>Cornell did not write. Granted, that's less than half, but when you >>exclude "Smokestack Lightning" and "One Minute of Silence" because >>they're covers, you wind up with Chris Cornell participating in >>writing the music for a MINORITY of the songs in Soundgarden's >>arsenal. Although the other three band members wrote a couple more songs then Chris did collectively. All three band members contribute equally to the sg sound. Where would they be without Matt's drumming, Kim's guitar playing or Ben's bass Playing? The only reason imho that they were able to get a new bassist and survive is that Ben fits into the band better than hiro did. Just listen to most of hiro songs as compared to Ben's, hiro's songs seem all disjointed and spacy. Ben's songs fit into the band better. Take loud love for instance the song wouldn't be as good without Kim modulating that feedback in the beginning. Fobd wouldn't be as good without the rest of the guys either. Nor would tdittl, it doesn't really matter who writes the songs it's each band members unique take on interpreting music that makes sg songs great. Clown ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" > > Soundgarden - You Make Me Sick I Make Music > - In One Ear And Out Your Mother Music > - Stupidities > - Noyes - Walpurgis Night music (I think this was Matt's) > > Faith No More - Big Thrilling Music > - Vomit God Music > > Pearl Jam - Write Treatage Music > - Innocent Bystander - Screaming cat music Beatles - Northern Songs > > Alice In Chains - Buttnugget Publishing > > Prince - Controversy Music > That's all I can remember offhand.. What does ASCAP mean? Matt ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 5 Mar 1996 From: JADAMO61@MAINE.maine.edu Carolyn, I guess I forgot to place the size I wanted for a tee...a large would do just fine. Thanx....JCP Nothing can stop me now, I don't care anymore... Nothing can stop me now, 'cause I just don't care...anymore. NIN ------------------------------ From: Foxymophandlemama <76345.3722@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... I can't remember where I saw this, but I loved it: Get A Real Job!!! - -Mop PS What is Head Down about? Does the baby in the linear notes have any significance, like the death of innocense or something along those lines??? ------------------------------ From: Foxymophandlemama <76345.3722@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. I like REM too, but Stipe isn't even on the same scale as Chris as far as singing goes. The only way they compare is that they both can ellicit quite a lot of emotion into the songs (although Ed is the guru at that). As far as the Temple project goes, I love it. I think it was a healthy way for Chris and Jeff and Stone to let go of a lot of the grief they'd been hanging onto after Andy's death. I was wondering: How does the list feel about bootlegs? Not studio ones, but ones that you and I have made from time to time. Are people neutral to them, or for or against?? Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear Shroom, happy birthday to you :-) Have a great day and WIN THE LOTTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok, I have homwork. Bye - -Mophandlemama PS THANK YOU MF for all the work w/ the shirts!!! Chris shall repay you :-) ------------------------------ From: el@algonet.se (Erik Lundsten) Subject: Mike McCreedy's playing Clown wrote: >It has taken me about 3 years to really like totd, because I >don't like Mike McCreedy's guitar style. Are you crazy?! How can you NOT like Mike's exellent guitar playing? I'm so upset I wont be able to sleep tonight. Besides Kim, Mike is the fucking guitar god. By the way, I get so angry when someone say that Yngwie Malmsteen is good. There is more to guitar playing then advanced technic. He is really an asshole and he was one even before moving to USA and changing his name. Thats my oppinion and I will stick with it forever! - -Erik ***The one who lives while others lie.*** ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... 76>I can't remember where I saw this, but I loved it: Get A Real Job!!! 76>-Mop 76>PS What is Head Down about? Does the baby in the linear notes have any 76>significance, like the death of innocense or something along those lines??? On the Headbangers Ball where Soundgarden went bowling, Ben says Head Down is about "a kid who is taught to smile, and then that smile is taken away" or something like that. ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: 'Drawing Flies' signifigance Hey all- This conversation usually could not come up unless its over a pitcher or two of Boulevard or Watney's Stout, but it came up last night. 'Badmotor' was playing at this pub, and 'Drawing Flies' came on. Is that song a total allegory or metaphor to spanking the monkey? I remember reading the liner notes to 'Temple of the Dog' or MLB's compilation CD and the members said they dabbled into masturbation to kill time when they wern't playing basketball. The evidence is slightly overwhelming "Shooting my pleasure pistol" "Wallowing in my obsenity, shooting Xs in my eyes and draw flies" "Share a cigarette with negativity" The topic has been discussed before, I think, I'd just like to get some feedback. Peace! Bockman ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Reading Boot I just got a copy of the Reading boot from foreshocks. I'm no expert on bootlegs, and I have no context from which I can judge this one, but it's not too bad. Some songs come out ok, and some others are terrible. Ty Cobb is complete unintelligible. Sounds like it would be a good song though. Christi comes out very good though; also a cool song. The rendition of Waiting for the Sun is amazing. The first couple songs aren't too bad. You totally get the pre-concert anxiety at the beginning of the boot. Sounds like it was quite a gig. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: Guitar World's reader's poll Beck wrote: > > 5. No new Metallica album (I think this is cool...) > .........I like Metallica. This is irrelevant but I heard on the > radio that there is a new album (I also read this in Kerrang),and > they even have July 4 (or maybe June...I always get 'em mixed up) as > a tentative release date... Uhh ohh... I think I forgot to post that that poll was published somewhere in 1995.. I think in may..... sorry :^( - - Regarding to Metallica DISCLAIMER: [if you are one of those who don't like to read non related posts, you may stop here or suffer, your choice] I used to like Metallica until, suddenly, one day a new bLaCk album apeared... something was wrong.... and yep, they fell on such commercial ways... I just hated them... and that music.... yuck!.... it scares me to think what their new album will be like.... Grungallica? URBANO ______________________________________________________________ The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life. - William Faulkner ------------------------------ From: troblex@jet.es (Hector Robles) Subject: LIKE GUITAR? (from SPAIN) For anyone who realy knows how to play the GUITAR. I'd like to tell all those SOUNDGARDENER'S that all the members except chris are pretty well replacaceable ,kim is one of the worst guitar players nowadays.A guitar player is someone like NUNO BETHENCOURT(extreme),JOE SATRIANI,STEVE VAI,RAYITO,STEVE MORSE,super RANDY RHODES, BLUES SARACENO(???=BF=BF=BF),cristian vivas,MIKE OLDFIELD(MIGUEL CAMPOVIEJO),VAN HALEN,MARTIN FRIEDMAN.......... KIM is somthing next to kurt kokobain or the bastard of greenday with some infuences from GARTH BROOKS and ELVIS PRESILLY. I supose all of you ,ignorants will have realised that not all those people who appear in the Mtv with a guitar hanging from their shoulder are real guitar players they only appear to be so. Could anyone please answer me and tell me their opinion about a group called KORN and also what do you think of the new BOSS turbo OVERDRIVE and the fact that it doesn't make a jangliing and warm crunch because of the distinctive low power attage tubes.?=BF?=BF*^^=3D%=B7=A8=C7=B4=E733### ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? I had to laugh when I read this message. Yes, I play guitar to. Yes, all of the people you mentioned are awesome guitarists - in technical aspects. But there is more to guitar playing then the ability to play 64th notes for 5 minutes without taking a break. Kim Thayil is very good at bringing out emotion through his guitar, he plays to the music and for the music, he is not trying to impress anyone with lightning fast ability, if he wanted to, he could join a band like Korn or Dream Theater. To make someone get shivers up their spine because of a guitar riff is as much impossible as playing 64th notes for 5 minutes non-stop etc. etc. Many of the musicians you mentioned can do this also, but listening to many of them is as entertaining as watching grass grow. I would much rather listen to a song with guitar that adds to the music then a song with guitar that draws you away from the music. Besides, the topic in't about skill, it is about members contributions to the writing aspects of Soundgarden - which Kim Thayil has taken part is highly. ------------------------------ From: Tony Buonvino Subject: Brujeria NM>And am I the only one who's heard of Savatage? No, I've heard of them too, but don't have any of their stuff. What = really interests me, now that I know there are quite a few FNM fans = here, is has anyone heard of Brujeria? They're a mexican death metal = band (for those who like labels) who rock. It's kind of funny hearing = something like Cannibal Corpse in Spanish, but once you get used to it, = some songs kinda grow on you. ANYWAYS, I heard a rumor (actually, read = it in some guitar magazine) that it was made up of members of different = groups, one of them being from FNM. Does anyone know anything about = this? I think it's probably Mike Bordin cause it's got some crazy assed = beats... See ya.... T-Bone - -Donde esta el sanaterio? ------------------------------ Subject: win95 bites From: seth i was bored last night/this morning, so i redid all of the inline images on the unofficial sg page (the ones that appear at the top of each page, not the navigation map or the main imagemap). well, i got bored with those less than a day later, so i redid them all again. i think they're a bit more striking than those that were there previously, and i'd like to liven the page up a bit. i feel as though soundgarden should not have a page that looks great (official) and a page that looks shitty (unofficial), so i'm going to work on making the unofficial one look better over the next couple of weeks. so, please check out the new images and send me your gripes about how they're too symmetric, the ones that were there before were better, etc. win95 only crashed about 9 times during this project! seth ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: Les' playing > >But it gets annoying sometimes when a very talented player (whether I >like them or not) gets the shaft because some other pop bullshitter >(not anyone like Flea, I mean some obvious others here) gets all the >votes from those stuffy nosed bastards that call themselves "God" in >the music business, or even those top 40 fans that can't wait a week to >hear Rick Dees and the Weekly Top 40 shit. I think that's all I have >to say. Umm....howzatgo? Alanis Morisette? No talent? GRAMMY? Christ AlmightY! Gregg !!!!!! !!! _ _\ !!! . .|_ "Don't come over here and piss on my gate, !(# __) save it, just Keep It Off My Wave" !! ===| --My Wave, Soundgarden !\_= O | \==/ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: CD+ BABY!!! > But as far as the Flea vs. Les deal, I feel I gotta throw my two pennies into the ring... > >IMHO, Flea has more ability than Les and MAYBE a little more techincal skill in his >genre of music. BUT Les is more creative in how he uses the bass and comes up with >weird lines that probably no one else would come up with... All right, that's enough of this. Let's talk about Ben Shepard! (methinks i misspelled his last name...oh well) :) !!!!!! !!! _ _\ !!! . .|_ "Don't come over here and piss on my gate, !(# __) save it, just Keep It Off My Wave" !! ===| --My Wave, Soundgarden !\_= O | \==/ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Kyle Petty Son of Richard Did Matt write KYle Petty, Son of Richard. I think that he did because it is a pretty simple song, guitar and bass wise. Anyone? Gregg !!!!!! !!! _ _\ !!! . .|_ "Don't come over here and piss on my gate, !(# __) save it, just Keep It Off My Wave" !! ===| --My Wave, Soundgarden !\_= O | \==/ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: firebug@canuck.com Subject: Re: Brujeria > I heard a rumor (actually, read = > it in some guitar magazine) that it was made up of members of different = > groups, one of them being from FNM. Does anyone know anything about = > this? I think it's probably Mike Bordin cause it's got some crazy assed = > beats... Yeah, it's Bill Gould. Mike Bordin did do some stuff with another band though...all FNM members have done projects with other bands. ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: 'Drawing Flies' signifigance I always thought it was about sex if not masturbation. I thought 'sitting here like wet ashes with x's in my eyes' was talking about post-sex high. You know, where you just lie there completely oblivious to everything. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Sean McCarthy wrote: > > > Hey all- > This conversation usually could not come up unless its over a pitcher > or two of Boulevard or Watney's Stout, but it came up last night. > 'Badmotor' was playing at this pub, and 'Drawing Flies' came on. > Is that song a total allegory or metaphor to spanking > the monkey? I remember reading the liner notes to 'Temple of the Dog' > or MLB's compilation CD and the members said they dabbled into masturbation > to kill time when they wern't playing basketball. The evidence is slightly > overwhelming > "Shooting my pleasure pistol" > "Wallowing in my obsenity, shooting Xs in my eyes and draw flies" > "Share a cigarette with negativity" > > The topic has been discussed before, I think, I'd just like to get some > feedback. > Peace! > > Bockman > > > ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? You read too many so called guitar magazines. You need your talent spoon= =20 fed to you. Those are not guitar magazines, those are hair farm=20 pictorials. Thayil is a god of distortion and all things noisy and=20 beautiful. Just because someone can play the guitar doesn't mean they=20 are necessarily a creative talent(hair farmers)The people you mentioned are= =20 half-decent guitarists, but what have any of them done lately? It sounds= =20 to me like you are jealous because all the time and money you spent=20 worshipping these 'guitarists' in the 80's has left you with a bunch of=20 crappy tapes, and real bands like Soundgarden who are less concerned with= =20 their hair, drugs and getting laid by some backstage tramps and more=20 concerned with their music are getting some recognition. That's my story= =20 and I'm sticking to it. ;) >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Hector Robles wrote: > (from SPAIN) > For anyone who realy knows how to play the GUITAR. > I'd like to tell all those SOUNDGARDENER'S that all the members except ch= ris > are pretty well replacaceable ,kim is one of the worst guitar players > nowadays.A guitar player is someone like NUNO BETHENCOURT(extreme),JOE > SATRIANI,STEVE VAI,RAYITO,STEVE MORSE,super RANDY RHODES, BLUES > SARACENO(???=BF=BF=BF),cristian vivas,MIKE OLDFIELD(MIGUEL CAMPOVIEJO),VA= N > HALEN,MARTIN FRIEDMAN.......... > KIM is somthing next to kurt kokobain or the bastard of greenday with som= e > infuences from GARTH BROOKS and ELVIS PRESILLY. >=20 > I supose all of you ,ignorants will have realised that not all those peop= le > who appear in the Mtv with a guitar hanging from their shoulder are real > guitar players they only appear to be so. >=20 > Could anyone please answer me and tell me their opinion about a group cal= led > KORN and also what do you think of the new BOSS turbo OVERDRIVE and the f= act > that it doesn't make a jangliing and warm crunch because of the distinct= ive > low power attage tubes.?=BF?=BF*^^=3D%=B7=A8=C7=B4=E733### >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: wash away the rain... On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, seth wrote: > circumstances. we can come up with as many theories as we want about > what would have happened or what would happen if a certain member of > the band were to leave, but it's just as likely that a rainstorm > tomorrow instead of a sunny day could have an impact on soundgarden's > songwriting. if there were only sunny days, what would give chris and ben the inspiration to write their songs? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: CD+ BABY!!! That's right. Big Ben is better than both put together. Not just because he is made of rubber, either. Face Pollution, Half, Head Down and Somewhere. Need I say more? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Gregg wrote: > > But as far as the Flea vs. Les deal, I feel I gotta throw my two pennies > into the ring... > > > >IMHO, Flea has more ability than Les and MAYBE a little more techincal > skill in his >genre of music. BUT Les is more creative in how he uses the > bass and comes up with >weird lines that probably no one else would come up > with... > > All right, that's enough of this. Let's talk about Ben Shepard! (methinks i > misspelled his last name...oh well) :) > > !!!!!! > !!! _ _\ > !!! . .|_ "Don't come over here and piss on my gate, > !(# __) save it, just Keep It Off My Wave" > !! ===| --My Wave, Soundgarden > !\_= O | > \==/ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: Good singers : Stipe ? and more useless text.. >BTW : what is the general opinion of all soundgarden fans here on the Temple >of the Dog-album.. i've seen some opinions yet and i get the impression most >people think that album is significantly less good than the >soundgarden-albums... but then some people quite like it... >I think it's quite cool... soundgarden-level-of-quality... > >that's it... me longest contribution so far... (and proberbly crappiest...) >------------------------------------------------- > "Bang, Bang, you're dead, hole in your head" > - Billy Corgan.. >------------------------------------------------- > > Hmm, this is a tough call. If you like some of the mellow stuff that C.C. has written, (Seasons, etc.) buy this album. It is NOT, however, to be passed off as a SG album. It has this, well, mellow vibe to it, and has only two really hard songs on it. I'd recommend it, without a doubt. Gregg !!!!!! !!! _ _\ !!! . .|_ "Don't come over here and piss on my gate, !(# __) save it, just Keep It Off My Wave" !! ===| --My Wave, Soundgarden !\_= O | \==/ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: Temple o' da dog album Hey All- 'Temple of the Dog' I couldn't stop listening to when it first came out. I was a freshman at college, and basically everything in my life was shitty. 'Times of Trouble' I listened to so much in my car, I still see clear sections of that tape when I look at it now, before I got my CD player :). It was the first time I really heard a different side to Cornell. I bought the 'Singles' soundtrack after that, but before all I heard was 'Louder than Love' and 'Badmotor' style singing from SG. 'Temple; I caught a darker, brooding side to Cornell, it was worth catching. My Thoughts, Laters Bockman ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Reading Boot GK>I just got a copy of the Reading boot from foreshocks. I'm no expert on GK>bootlegs, and I have no context from which I can judge this one, but it's GK>not too bad. Some songs come out ok, and some others are terrible. Ty GK>Cobb is complete unintelligible. Sounds like it would be a good song GK>though. Christi comes out very good though; also a cool song. The GK>rendition of Waiting for the Sun is amazing. The first couple songs GK>aren't too bad. You totally get the pre-concert anxiety at the beginning GK>of the boot. Sounds like it was quite a gig. Yeah, Christi and Waiting For The Sun came out great.. those are two best on there I think.. my two favorites anyway.. it's not a good bootleg if you're looking for maybe good live versions of "My Wave" or whatever.. but those two songs are really good, in my opinion :> blah ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Face Pollution Hands up if you think Face Pollution is one of soundgarden's underrated gems. I didn't really fully apprectiate it until a few weeks ago. It reminds me so much of Ben. It's a rubber song. It makes me want to bounce off the walls. Anyway, I recently aquired Garden of Souls and the power and intensity and elasticity of that song is fully realised on this boot. Peace. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: la rock sucks... On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Geoff wrote: > You read too many so called guitar magazines. You need your talent spoon > fed to you. Those are not guitar magazines, those are hair farm > pictorials. Thayil is a god of distortion and all things noisy and > beautiful. Just because someone can play the guitar doesn't mean they geoff, you make a good call. guitar players should be judged by what they contribute to their profession and music as a whole. do any of those buttrockers know how to do anything other than hammer really fast or use a thousand different pedals? I don't think so. of that list of so called great guitarists, only eddie van halen has contributesd any thing *real* to music, and the techniques of guitar playing. hector, on the other hand, you are way off track. kim one of the worst guitar players nowadays? you are a shocker. have nuno or saraceno or any other of those dingles you mentioned ever written a *song*. or at least in the case of extreme, have they ever written a song that didn't go strum strum strum lead break strum strum? let's see some of your guys like steve vai write a good riff like kyle petty and then see if they could even add some meaningful lyrics. and to say that all of your favourite rock gods are better than kurt cobain, then you are sorely mistaken. what is satriani's answer to songs like come as you are and all apologies? take a hike buddy, and stop trying to stir shit where it isn't wanted. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... At 12:38 AM 3/6/96 +1000, John Grieves wrote: >Does anyone else out there love some of the names that are come up with for >music publishing companies to hold copyrights? > >eg: > >Soundgarden - You Make Me Sick I Make Music > - In One Ear And Out Your Mother Music > - Stupidities > - Noyes > >Faith No More - Big Thrilling Music > - Vomit God Music > >Pearl Jam - Write Treatage Music > - Innocent Bystander > >Alice In Chains - Buttnugget Publishing > >Prince - Controversy Music > >Anyone else got some? Dig out your guitar tablatures now... > >Jackhammer. > > > > Speaking of these things, does anybody know what the deal with them is? Do you have to go to a lawyer to establish this in order to copyright all of your songs? Or can you just mail it to yourself so you have it postmarked, which shows that you wrote it first....well, if anyone has the answer, let me know. Gregg !!!!!! !!! _ _\ !!! . .|_ "Don't come over here and piss on my gate, !(# __) save it, just Keep It Off My Wave" !! ===| --My Wave, Soundgarden !\_= O | \==/ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: LIKE GUITAR? At 11:20 PM 3/5/96 GMT, Hector Robles wrote: >(from SPAIN) >For anyone who realy knows how to play the GUITAR. >I'd like to tell all those SOUNDGARDENER'S that all the members except= chris >are pretty well replacaceable ,kim is one of the worst guitar players >nowadays.A guitar player is someone like NUNO BETHENCOURT(extreme),JOE >SATRIANI,STEVE VAI,RAYITO,STEVE MORSE,super RANDY RHODES, BLUES >SARACENO(???=BF=BF=BF),cristian vivas,MIKE OLDFIELD(MIGUEL CAMPOVIEJO),VAN >HALEN,MARTIN FRIEDMAN.......... >KIM is somthing next to kurt kokobain or the bastard of greenday with some >infuences from GARTH BROOKS and ELVIS PRESILLY. > >I supose all of you ,ignorants will have realised that not all those people >who appear in the Mtv with a guitar hanging from their shoulder are real >guitar players they only appear to be so. > >Could anyone please answer me and tell me their opinion about a group= called >KORN and also what do you think of the new BOSS turbo OVERDRIVE and the= fact >that it doesn't make a jangliing and warm crunch because of the= distinctive >low power attage tubes.?=BF?=BF*^^=3D%=B7=A8=C7=B4=E733### > Hey All-Knowing Guitar God, that rock you crawled out from under is calling you home. =09 !!!!!! !!! _ _\ =20 !!! . .|_ "Don't come over here and piss on my gate, =20 !(# __) save it, just Keep It Off My Wave" =20 !! =3D=3D=3D| --My Wave, Soundgarden =20 !\_=3D O | =20 \=3D=3D/ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net =09 =09 ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: shirts Some people have been asking me where to send money for list t-shirts, how much they're going to cost, etc. etc. I don't know the answer to those questions!! I am simply gathering orders for sizes at this stage - so we have an idea of how many we need to get made up. First a design has to be agreed upon. Then the colour of the shirt. THEN someone needs to volunteer to organise the printing of X number of shirts. THEN someone needs to volunteer to mail out all these shirts, only after each person ordering the shirt has sent in their money. I suggest that volunteer needs to live in the USA. That's where the majority of the list members are - would be silly (costly) for someone like me (in Australia) to do it. That's it for me for now (I feel like shit and don't want to talk) Carolyn the Morbid Frump *************************************************** I can take what you've been pushing.....Soundgarden Did you do too many drugs? - I did too many drugs.....VFemmes *************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: la rock sucks... >buttrock I think that this word has finally found a home....right here on this mailing list! Gregg !!!!!! !!! _ _\ !!! . .|_ "Don't come over here and piss on my gate, !(# __) save it, just Keep It Off My Wave" !! ===| --My Wave, Soundgarden !\_= O | \==/ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Music Publishing Companies... At 12:38 AM 6/03/96 +1000, Jackhammer wrote: >Does anyone else out there love some of the names that are come up with for >music publishing companies to hold copyrights? Yes! :-) >Soundgarden - You Make Me Sick I Make Music >Anyone else got some? Dig out your guitar tablatures now... All my CDs & records are packed away along with my beloved stereo right now, as I'm inbetween houses for a couple of months, so I can't go look immediately. BUT I seem to recall that The Cramps use a cool music publishing name - something like Soundgarden's above. But buggered if I can remember what it is. Jackhammer, go look at your sister's "Stay Sick" record for I think you'll find it on there. See ya Carolyn the Meek & Feeble ****************************************** With my big black boots & an old suitcase, I do believe I'll find myself a new place.......Everclear ****************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: Where's David Lee Roth?? From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Mar 05, 1996 13:31:50, 'seth ' wrote: >. we can come up with as many theories as we want about >what would have happened or what would happen if a certain member of >the band were to leave, I think some bands can survive a member leaving with no problem.i.e. The Rolling Stones (because Mick and Keith are primary songwriters and most popular) Van Halen( DLR was kind of the joke front man he's in Vegas now isn't he?) The Grateful Dead had plenty of members die and the Deadheads didn't notice until it was Gerry. But some bands are the sum of equal parts and would suffer greatly. Jamie mentioned Led Zepplin. When John Bonham died it was unthinkable for them to go on. I think Soundgarden at this point sort of fits into that catagory. I suppose different circumstances also apply if a band member dies it's a little harder than just someone wanting out for whatever reason! There is a big difference in Hiro SG and post Hiro SG but we also have to allow for a maturing band both personally, musically and professionally!!-T ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: la rock sucks... Yeah. And we owe it all to Matt. Anyone know what Linwood's is? Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Gregg wrote: > >buttrock > > I think that this word has finally found a home....right here on this > mailing list! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Soundgarden & religion class Yeah well... strange subject line... then again: Today in Religion 101 (Intro to New Testament... a required course at my uni... hey, I go to school for free.. I'm not gonna complain about taking it) we discussed what Jesus Christ looked/looks (whatever) like. I made a decent argument of how he would resemble yours & my favorite lead guitarist: Kim Thayill. We went into great depth on this subject a few months back I recall. I even went as far as passing around the liner notes of BMF (which I was conviently carrying in my back pack) presenting the megacool band photo were Kim does in fact look (imo) like Christ. Sorry to bother y'all 'bout that... bored I guess. And I was proud that I could connect studies of the Bible with my beloved band. (c: Just here to destroy the monotony & morals in a our institutions of higher learning today... UnknownMan "No.. that really is a roll of quarters." (c: ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 55] ***************************************