From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 28 Feb 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 02:45:19 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 28 Feb 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: hungry and mean... in my eyes... linwood's my favourite stop... Nothingman Rules. Re: Cause I fell one black days... tee-shirt (what else?) - who wants one? ack... what's up Re: hmmm... thoughts of SG in the list. Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 27 Feb 1996 the AOL stash French Ideas ? Soundgarden fanbase Matt's drumming (Fwd) RE: Female singers (Fwd) Ministry fan base (Fwd) Nothingman Rules. (Fwd) Soundgarden fanbase (Fwd) Matt's drumming shirt thang shirt thang :) Re: Pearl Jam poster AAAGGGHHHH Re: Pearl Jam poster Re: hmmm... thoughts of SG in the list. Re: in my eyes... Re: AAAGGGHHHH Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 26 Feb 1996 Jesus Christ pose Re: (Fwd) Ministry fan base Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 27 Feb 1996 Leslie Stuck like Hell with the CD+ thing shirt update - good way to get email :-) T Shirts I've seen how you give it... Re: tee-shirt (what else?) - who wants one? Re: T Shirts grey shmay... Re: grey shmay... Re: grey shmay... hold on a minute Rhino Hippo Compilation Re: Nothingman Rules :-( cancel that one!! Re: hold on a minute Re: hold on a minute - T-SHIRT Re: hold on a minute how??? hi Swedish needs some help here... T Shirt payment CHEAPER shirts designs on things soundgarden... I WANT AN XL SHIRT! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: hungry and mean... On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Steven Russell Jr. wrote: > >Also, does anyone know where the title "BadMotorFinger" comes from? I > > To make a long story short...a badmotorfinger is a vibrator. (IMHO) There a > wierd tie in to an obscure 70's band (1974 I think) Montrose (whose first > singer was Sammy Hagar) that had a song called "badmotorscooter" on thier > self titled debut album. Also on the album is the exact! guitar sound as on > "Motorcycle Loop" in the intro to "badmotorscooter". The 'shifting of good theory steve. but wasn't there also a rock band called badfinger? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: in my eyes... On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt wrote: > O.k. I know that soundgarden uses some wierd "leslie cabinet" instrument > in Black Hole Sun and Blind Dogs. But, what exactly is it? I'm not a guitar player, but isn't a leslie cabinet just a certain type or brand of amplifier that gives that odd wailing keyboardy sort of sound? btw, chris is the one playing all the verse riffs of black hole sun. kim thought it sounded too dinky, so he only comes in on the chorus. is that how he feels about the whole song? :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: linwood's my favourite stop... On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Andy Lenart wrote: > I think one of the biggest things that contributes to Soundgarden's > signature sound besides the guitars is Matt's offbeat Hi-hat opens. > and Fell On Black Days. In Limo Wreck he does a double, which is why > it's one of my favorite songs. Are there any other musicians or acute > listeners out there who agree? good call andy. matt really does know what to do with his high hat foot :) maybe this was most apparent first on rusty cage, when the song curdles into that offbeat rawk at the end. he is damn good with his hat, but he is equally as good playing his ride cymbal. that excellent high end crack he gets couldn't just be the cymbal and some good mixing. especially the ones he does in my wave, where chris is singing the 'my wave' part of the chorus. and also how he combines it with the two different snares at the outro to let me drown. if you want to hear some *really* cool matt-drumming, buy the hater album and listen to down undershoe (would have made a *fantastic* soundgarden song), roadside and tot finder. how he sounds next to all that garage-y guitar is amazing. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Nothingman Rules. FO>OK, count me in on the shirt thinge Ok, everyone who wants a shirt, send me a message with the topic as SHIRT in all big letters. I'll count them and then post a message later that shows who wants one, and if you aren't there, then tell me, but that probably won't be for a while. Nothingman -No matter who holds the deed, Willie Nelson owns the land. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Cause I fell one black days... GK>Yeah, that is a great video. The video version is just so raw. There GK>something honest about it.. There's nothing to hide. SG, GK>performing the song. Not lip synching or acting, but performing. You GK>can't get any simpler. And it's in black and white, and they are all wearing black and white, and they rule, so that's that. Ok, I think we all agree that FOBD is one hell of a video. If you don't, then you should anyway. :) Nothingman -And if you look close, you can even see the fork. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: tee-shirt (what else?) - who wants one? CA>Oh, and while I quite like Steven's Kyle Petty shirt, I hope I am not alone CA>in thinking that our Somms shirt should not have swearing on it. Maybe I'm CA>hypocritical, but I'll say it, write it, read it, do it (!! - LOVE doing CA>it), but I draw the line at wearing it. Anyone out there in agreeance? I liked that shirt too, but I don't really like the front. Ok, I like it, but it's not someting I'd wear. And I love the back, but I don't think it would be too appropriate on a shirt that I'm going to wear everyday. I think th font is great, and Posting... should be written like that, but in a different color. CA>Nothingman's idea of getting a count of who actually will buy a shirt is a CA>good one. I am quite happy to gather numbers. So, if you are going to buy CA>a list shirt, then email me with the subject title of "I WANT A SHIRT". CA>Please do so by Monday, 4 March. I'll add up numbers and let you know how CA>many we'll be in for. Yeah, ok, send them to CAROLYN.HANDEL@MTG.FOR.CSIRO.AU instead of me, because it'd be much easier since I don't have much time lately. Thanks, Carolyn. Nothingman the Medieval Fad :) -We love Willie's braids. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: ack... SH>For instance I now know that Nothingman was SH>serious when he said that he thought Candlebox would do a good cover of SH>"Spoonman". Oops... I thought you were making a funny Nothingman. Well, it wouldn't be as good, but if you listen to Don't You (first song on Candlebox's self-titled album) the guitar and drums are kinda similar. And after I saw the music, I noticed even more of a similarity. Candlebox has the sound to do Spoonman, although Kevin Martin's vocals would be very much inferior to Chris'. Once at a party, I played Don't You, and someone said, "Hey! That's Spoonman!" And I hit him. Them I played Spoonman and he apologized. I musta played it pretty bad. :) Nothingman -I could tear your walls down as I chip at who you are. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: what's up JM> Did you know that Kim helped out the Presidents of the JM>United States in their album? No one talk about that. Didn't we say that a year ago? You suck. Nothingman -Where have you been? Alseep at the wheel again, I guess... ------------------------------ From: John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt Subject: Re: hmmm... thoughts of SG in the list. Yes, I am Ben Shepherd. In disguise as no one knows, Ben On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, URBANO wrote: > Have you ever wondered if one of us is ACTUALLY one of them? I don't > know, perhaps one of you who don't dare to send you pictures for the > member directory... Are you so awful that you really don't want to send > it or are you kim in diguise? Or is it true that you don't have a > scanner or you are really Chris making fun of the rest of us? Perhaps I > am Chris myself but just submited a false picture... (taking a vacation > in Mexico of course). > URBANO > rc@gcc.cc.md.us wrote: > > SH> Do y'all ever wonder if someone from SG is online, and actually does > > SH>subscribe to the list? > > > > I've wondered this since the first time I was ever on the list. > > Wouldn't it be cool if one of us got a message in our mailbox from > > Chris, or Matt, or the others? > > -- > ______________________________________________________________ > The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, > which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that > a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, > it moves again since it is life. > - William Faulkner > ============================================================================= Known Aliases ============================================================================= Henry Krinkle, Mayor McCheese, Major Heally, LaMont Sanford, Your Dad, Travis Bickell, Poncherello, Huggybear. Whenever I go out, people stand and shout . . . And kids think it's funny to yell "shit" instead of "Schmidt". My name is John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt and all be damned if it's your name, too. I got it copyrighted. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ------------------------------ From: Justin Akehurst Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 27 Feb 1996 >From: "Steven Russell Jr." >Subject: Re: Leslie's coughing up Blood? > >On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Glenn wrote: > >> I was told this: It's a cabinet with a rotating speaker, which also has a hole >> in it. It has a bizarre chorus-type sound (guitar players should hopefully >> understand that..), and the rotation makes the sounds occur at different places >> with different effects, depending on where the sound is projected by the >> speaker's rotation. > >Wasnt one of these shown in the Beastie Boys video for "gratitude"? As far as I know, it's a song off of Truly's album "Fast Stories from Kid Coma". - -Justin admin, Unofficial Truly Home Page http://tahoma.cwu.edu:2000/~akehurst/truly ------------------------------ Subject: the AOL stash From: seth Thanks to Foreshocks, I decided to check out what goodies were hidden away in the proverbial AOL closet. There was some good stuff! Naturally, I borrowed it all (the files are all "freely distributed," uploaded by fans), or at least most of it. That got us the following: - - 15 more sound clips. I converted the Mac System 7 sounds to AU files so everyone can enjoy them. I also discovered today that Netscape for Mac does NOT (?) have an included AU player, so you can now grab SoundApp 1.5.1 from the Multimedia part of the unofficial SG page (by the way, it also does conversions of AU/WAV/AIFF). Many apologies for not realizing this sooner. - - The PC speaker version of "Jesus Christ Pose" that also appears on Geoff's page. I couldn't get this to run nicely under Win95; if anyone does, please let me know. - - A _Superunknown_ icon for Mac users. Instructions for using it are on the Images page. - - A Chris Cornell desktop pattern for Mac users. This is a 128x128 PPAT, and you'll need some extra software to use it; everything you should need is accessible via the Images page. There was also a SPAM (?) game which has a Soundgarden-related plot. Of course, I don't know exactly what kind of program I need to run this game, though it seems to be some kind of choose-your-own-adventure type thing. If anyone can clue me in, I'd appreciate it. If that's not obscure enough, there was also a Doom WAD featuring SG's music. As soon as I test it out and confirm that it works, I will make it available. I'm still working on converting the MIDI files from the AOL archive to something more widely used. I'll hopefully take care of that later today. seth ------------------------------ From: rlezeau@cvfrgtw.CV.COM Subject: French Ideas ? Hello Guys. Is there anybody out there that could help me to understand something about the last SG's album ? I have read some news in France that are the opposite of the SG's Digest news. I'm lost !! When will if born exactly ? If an answer exists, is it serious ? Is the entire SuperUnknown's Band will play on the Album ? In France, news from USA about musicians (popular and not popular) are not always the reflect of reality, but often fantasy of journalists. Thank you all, and see yuo soon. Rodolphe. -------- ------------------------------ From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Benjamin Timberlake) Subject: Soundgarden fanbase If I can be slightly elitist for a moment, I would say that the soundgarden fan is a step above your average rock fan. It takes an appreciation of something special to really enjoy soundgarden. There are many people who can hear a few songs on the radio, say "cool." and buy the album, but it's a special breed who enjoys looking deeper into the music and lyrics and would bother subscribing to a list serv just for that purpose. Soundgarden is well-known because great music is always going to be noticed. They are not, however, the most popular band around _because_ of that special appreciation that not everyone has. I'm also a pink floyd fan, and this discussion has come up on Echoes (the pf listserv) about pink floyd. I would venture that the same reason applies. There's also consideration to be made for variety of musical taste: look at Seth or Urb@no and I'm sure many others who have widely varied tastes. So, you can give yourself a smug little pat on the back for being such a cool person as to appreciate Soundgarden. - Ben Benjamin Timberlake --------P O U R I N G Northwestern University --------D O W N btimlake@nwu.edu --------W I N D "If I should be short on words and long on things to say, could you crawl into my world and take these words away?" - Chris Cornell, "Seasons" ------------------------------ From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Benjamin Timberlake) Subject: Matt's drumming As long as we're talking about Matt's drumming, I decided to toss in my thought(s). Matt's best drumming is on Searching W/MGEC. The way everything just stops and lets him tear into the drums between verses is insane. I can barely listen to that song in public because I start going nuts on the air drums, which is stupid in itself because I don't even play the drums. (But Matt makes me wish I did, and Chris makes me wish I could sing, and Ben . . .) - Ben Benjamin Timberlake --------P O U R I N G Northwestern University --------D O W N btimlake@nwu.edu --------W I N D "If I should be short on words and long on things to say, could you crawl into my world and take these words away?" - Chris Cornell, "Seasons" ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) RE: Female singers >Yeah, Bjork does have a hell of a scream. But I just can't see her and >Chris singing together. In fact, I don't think I could see Chris >singing with any female singer, even though someone said he already >did. .............she certainly does. But for some reason, I just don't think female singers are usually as powerful as male singers (even though I'm a girl myself...not that I can sing at all)....I mean, a lot of female singers have great voices but I think Chris would overshadow just about any woman (or man, come to think of it) with that screech..... >Their second album was more mellow than their first, so she couldn't >belt out the lyrics like on the first, except on Zombie. But she does >have a good voice. .......I liked their first album better. She has a great voice though.......but I would say that nearly all my favourite singers are men. Beck .....sorry if that was irrelevant; I've only just got back on the list and I haven't checked out the digest archives yet, but ''I'm on my way'' ; ) haven't checked out Nothingman -There's no need to argue. ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Ministry fan base > Since I'm pretty sure Soundgarden has a bigger fan base than >radiohead, by syllogism, they must have a bigger fanbase than Ministry. .......well, I dunno about America, but Radiohead are pretty big over here (whereas, as a sg fan, I feel like I'm kind of part of a minority). Maybe that's because radiohead are British so they get a lot of airplay (unlike sg) and the press (or, at least, the inkies) love them. Beck ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Nothingman Rules. >00>--Mike Cornell (Unfortunately no relation) .......hey, you might be a relation and just not realise it. I am related to people I don't know about, after all (i saw my family tree yesterday and it was HUGE!).... ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Soundgarden fanbase >If I can be slightly elitist for a moment, >I would say that the soundgarden fan is a step above your average rock fan. >It takes an appreciation of something special to really enjoy soundgarden. ............Soundgarden appeal to the discerning music fan. ; ) >There are many people who can hear a few songs on the radio, say "cool." >and buy the album, ........Yeah, there's lot's of people who buy into an 'image' or try to like something because they think it's cool. In fact, I was at 6th from when 'grunge' was really big and the press loved it and so on, and college was full of 'grunge kids'..... now, the 'big thing' over here is Britpop. The college I was at is now full of Britpoppers and when I see a lot of those 'grunge kids' I used to know in the street, they are now 'Britpop kids'; it's more 'cool' now. They don't like SG, AIC, MLB, PJ etc anymore because something cooler has come along (to them, at least). I always get a shock when I see these people and how they've changed!! Anyway, that is my idea of a fashion fan more than a music fan. I think Britain is probably more fickle and fashion-oriented (in general)than the US (blame MM and NME). ..........Of course, it's cool to have diverse tastes in music (which I reckon I have), but to chop and change with the trends is not the same thing. > but it's a special breed who enjoys looking deeper into >the music and lyrics and would bother subscribing to a list serv just for >that purpose. .........Yeh - definitely. That would be a music fan rather than a culture vulture (or something). > Soundgarden is well-known because great music is always >going to be noticed. They are not, however, the most popular band around >_because_ of that special appreciation that not everyone has. ....you are hitting the nail so hard on the head that it's probably concussed ; ) >I'm also a pink floyd fan, and this discussion has come up on Echoes (the >pf listserv) about pink floyd. I would venture that the same reason >applies. .....I would have to agree (shit, I was in the mood for an argument today!).... ; D >There's also consideration to be made for variety of musical taste ......indeed there is. Soundgarden albums like to sit next to Ozric Tentacles in my record collection >So, you can give yourself a smug little pat on the back for being such a >cool person as to appreciate Soundgarden. ...yeh. Let's all do that now. : ) Beck ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Matt's drumming >As long as we're talking about Matt's drumming, I decided to toss in my >thought(s). Matt's best drumming is on Searching W/MGEC. ......I love the way the drums just sort of trip over one another and lead back into the verses. It's class, it is. > I don't even play the drums. .........Neither do I, so I don't really know what I'm talking about ....but I know it sounds good (the drumming, not what I say)...Why does Matt never get into 'Best Drummer' catergories in Rock Mag polls (over here, at least)?? Lars ALWAYS wins, and although I think Metallica are a great band, Matt is a way better drummer than Lars is. In my opinion........ Beck -And heo scal mine wunden makien alle i-sunde And seothe Ich cumen wulle to mine kineriche... (that's 12th-Century English, that is. Dunno what it means though...there goes the essay ; ( ) ------------------------------ From: "David Searle" Subject: shirt thang > From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:37:36 -0500 > Subject: Nothingman Rules. > To: somms@MIT.EDU > OK, count me in on the shirt thinge > foreshocks > me too :) dave ------------------------------ From: "David Searle" Subject: shirt thang :) > From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:37:36 -0500 > Subject: Nothingman Rules. > To: somms@MIT.EDU > OK, count me in on the shirt thinge > foreshocks > me too :) dave ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Pearl Jam poster From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" > > >Also, does anyone know where the title "BadMotorFinger" comes from? I > >always thought it sounded sort of like "BadMotherFucker." > >I seem to find a lot of profanity in SG, though. I guess it could just be > >about a pointy sparkplug. > > To make a long story short...a badmotorfinger is a vibrator. (IMHO) There a > wierd tie in to an obscure 70's band (1974 I think) Montrose (whose first > singer was Sammy Hagar) that had a song called "badmotorscooter" on thier > self titled debut album. Also on the album is the exact! guitar sound as on > "Motorcycle Loop" in the intro to "badmotorscooter". The 'shifting of > gears' thing. > If it's a vibrator, how come the album cover has a sparkplug in the middle? I think it's supposed to be a kind of ambiguous double entendre kind of thing... Who is Sammy Hagar? Are Montrose good? Matt ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: AAAGGGHHHH I forgot the password to get into the members directory. Could someone please pass it on to me again? Thanx BK ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: Pearl Jam poster On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Matthew Paul Lawrence wrote: > > > > >Also, does anyone know where the title "BadMotorFinger" comes from? I > > >always thought it sounded sort of like "BadMotherFucker." > > >I seem to find a lot of profanity in SG, though. I guess it could just be > > >about a pointy sparkplug. > > > > To make a long story short...a badmotorfinger is a vibrator. (IMHO) There a > > wierd tie in to an obscure 70's band (1974 I think) Montrose (whose first > > singer was Sammy Hagar) that had a song called "badmotorscooter" on thier > > self titled debut album. Also on the album is the exact! guitar sound as on > > "Motorcycle Loop" in the intro to "badmotorscooter". The 'shifting of > > gears' thing. > > > If it's a vibrator, how come the album cover has a sparkplug in the middle? I > think it's supposed to be a kind of ambiguous double entendre kind of thing... > Who is Sammy Hagar? Are Montrose good? > > Matt > Sammy Hagar (solo) was my first concert I ever saw back in 1983. His solo material is much better (heavy metal, Only one way to rock, planets on fire) than the crap he gets away with with Van Halen. Montrose is an incredible band. Ronnie Montrose was considered a "guitar god" back in the seventies and the title was well founded. Their first album is a classic, containg the aforementioned Bad Motor Scooter, plus Rock Candy and Space Station #5. If your looking for an album of good old guitar rock pick this one up! BK ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: hmmm... thoughts of SG in the list. I didn't think Ben knew how to type. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt wrote: > Yes, I am Ben Shepherd. > > In disguise as no one knows, > Ben - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: in my eyes... At 09:29 27/02/96 +1000, blind dog wrote: > >> O.k. I know that soundgarden uses some wierd "leslie cabinet" instrument >> in Black Hole Sun and Blind Dogs. But, what exactly is it? > > I'm not a guitar player, but isn't a leslie cabinet just a >certain type or brand of amplifier that gives that odd wailing keyboardy >sort of sound? Close, but not quite - a Leslie cabinet was a set of speakers in a cabinet that were pretty popular for organs, especially in the seventies. What gives the "old wailing keyboardy sort of sound" is that there are (generally) two speakers in such a cabinet, one small, one large, and both speakers are rotating - with some cabinets, the speeds at which the two speakers were rotating are variable... this gives the effect of making both low and high frequency ranges seem to fade in and out to some extent (in a sine wave for the mathematicians out there) with different periods of oscillation. Now, the guitar tab for Black Hole Sun calls for a LESLIE EFFECT - ie. I assume that this refers to some processor/guitar pedal that emulates the Leslie cabinet effect... quite easily done seeing as my own keyboard (KORG M1) has the Leslie effect too...and judging by the sound of the guitar part, I'd suggest that such an effect has been cranked right up (similar to those speakers rotating at pretty decent speeds). > btw, chris is the one playing all the verse riffs of black hole >sun. kim thought it sounded too dinky, so he only comes in on the chorus. >is that how he feels about the whole song? :) No idea! Sorry... :> Jackhammer ------------------------------ Subject: Re: AAAGGGHHHH From: seth > I forgot the password to get into the members directory. > Could someone please pass it on to me again? The password is [deleted! it's a secret! -seth] Guard it with your life. seth ------------------------------ From: toybox Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 26 Feb 1996 > Listen, reading the lyric sheets takes away from the song. BULLSHIT!!!!! > Figuring out what the hell people are saying gives the song more > depth, and makes it a little fun. Ok, but if you like to sing the worng words when they are conveniently listed for you, i will feel free to laugh at you when i hear you singing wrong lyrics. And also, you could make the singer out to be saying something he's not--which could be a really bad thing, especially for people who want to jump to conclusions about stars (which would be half of America) -j ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: Jesus Christ pose I am sure the meaning of this songhas been discussed so would someone point me in the right direction as far as finding the proper archive. Every time I hear the song I get something different out of it. I remeber reading somewhere that the song really isnt that deep and I always look for a deeper meaning. This thing I remember for JCP was just that disgusted look and arms to the side pose people give one another when they are pissed off or whatever. (usually given with various mutterings). anyway, email me direct if have any ideas since I get the compiled list. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Miller Department of Chemistry University of California, San Diego mtmiller@chem.ucsd.edu - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt Subject: Re: (Fwd) Ministry fan base Radiohead rock. Just had to note it. I suppose they would get more press in England. They have had two strong albums and alot of MTV time. When you think about it, a lot of people (other than us) act as though soundgarden has only had 2 albums. That's a wierd thought when you think of Superunknown as a "Sophmore" effert. Maybe we should do a world wide public opinion poll on soundgarden. ============================================================================= Known Aliases ============================================================================= Henry Krinkle, Mayor McCheese, Major Heally, LaMont Sanford, Your Dad, Travis Bickell, Poncherello, Huggybear. Whenever I go out, people stand and shout . . . And kids think it's funny to yell "shit" instead of "Schmidt". My name is John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt and all be damned if it's your name, too. I got it copyrighted. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ------------------------------ From: mondruid@interaccess.com (Moon Druid) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 27 Feb 1996 >From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Benjamin Timberlake) >Subject: Ministry fan base > >My friend went to ticketmaster the morning the tickets for their Chicago >show went on sale. She said there were like thirteen people in line in >front of her buying radiohead tickets. Based on this small sampling, I >guess radiohead has a bigger fanbase than Ministry (area and demographics >aside). Since I'm pretty sure Soundgarden has a bigger fan base than >radiohead, by syllogism, they must have a bigger fanbase than Ministry. Not really. I live here in Chicago and I'd have to say that the whole alternative scene is much more popular than the rock scene. People, on a whole, hear Black Hole Sun, say "Great song" and then don't buy the album or anything. BUT they hear "Hey Man, Nice Shot" by filter and go crazy with it. Ministry has no base of fans around here...too hard for this general area. Chicago is a highly alternative/hard rock area, not a whole lot of metal at all. >------------------------------ >Also, does anyone know where the title "BadMotorFinger" comes from? I >always thought it sounded sort of like "BadMotherFucker." >I seem to find a lot of profanity in SG, though. I guess it could just be >about a pointy sparkplug. Huh? Where is there profanity? Big Dumb Sex, sure. But where else other than nowhere? >------------------------------ >Not that bowling alleys are that important to me, it's just nice to get >angry at someone (especially local government) every once in a while. >Still, SG should come to Chicago, I hear they've got tenpin, candlestick, >everything. Evanston, huh? Why aren't you a punker like everyone else in Evanston? >------------------------------ >From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us >Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 22 Feb 1996 >Or how about "Share a cigarette with negativity." >MO>"Life is too short for parental advisories" (Ad) >I like that too. That's the thing that got Seth into the band, I'm pretty sure. >MO>"I did the Fopp, the bop, they wouldn't let me stop" (Fopp) >This would look cool on a shirt. >I also like "In one ear and out your mother." Definitely. >MO>a Skull >I like that shirt Chris has, too. Totally... >I like all of these, but it would have to be a faded sorta puple, and >those faded kinda shirts are pretty expensive. White would be the >least expensive and look the coolest. The letters wouldn't show up >very good on black. ACTUALLY heather grey is the cheapest, next comes white and black, then the other more funky colors. Did I just say funky? > -Maybe me and Moony should have our own shirts... NothingMoon shirts....hmmmmm... >------------------------------ >From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us >Subject: Me Again... >Nope. It's "I'm a search light soul they say, but I can't see it in >the night." Says so right in the album. Whoops...Thanks for catching that...Searchlights solely say? Where did I get that from? Hmmm... >------------------------------ Dude... cut your 13 line sig down, please!!! Aaron >========================================================================== > Known Aliases >========================================================================== >Henry Krinkle, Mayor McCheese, Major Heally, LaMont Sanford, Your Dad, >Travis Bickell, Poncherello, Huggybear. > >Whenever I go out, people stand and shout . . . >And kids think it's funny to yell "shit" instead of "Schmidt". >My name is John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt and all be damned if it's your >name, too. I got it copyrighted. >XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >------------------------------ >From: Craig Mack >Subject: new releases >can anyone tell me if soundgarden, pearl jam, guns'n'roses, or >metallica are coming out with any new albums soon, and if so, >WHEN! Soundgarden - Read the page, will ya? It's all there. Pearl Jam - The May release date has been pushed back to August. G N'R - Get with the 90s...GNR is done for. :) Metallica - New material. They may go to the studio soon, nobody knows. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ If I would, could you? Why can't we start things sober? \ / So seal my tomb without my face, I'm going to the lonely place. / \ mondruid@interaccess.com Moon Druid \ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Subject: Leslie From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" I've always wondered which way the speakers rotate, is it in the X,Y or Z axis.. I'm guessing Z (as in depth when you look at it) Matt ------------------------------ From: Ho-Seop Kim Subject: Stuck like Hell with the CD+ thing Hi, y'all. Several days ago, I received "Alive in the Superunknown" CD+. (I ordered it with some other stuffs via net) I was quite sure I had no problem with the new CD format. 'cos my CD-ROM drive is quite a new model. But instead of enjoying Chris and the boys video clips, I just can play the songs. (Especially the Win 95 autoplay is annoying :^( ) Can anybody help me? CD-ROM drive: Toshiba XM-5302B (recognized as XM-5302TM by Win95) Multi-session (written on its manual) connected to SoundBlaster AWE 32 (I have no EIDE port on my mother board) OS: Windows 95 I've searched through www.toshiba.com, but found any driver or even the clue.. - --hskim ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: shirt update - good way to get email :-) Holy Moly!! Have I received some mail today. One way to get a lot of email is to volunteer to count up shirts wanted........... :-) Just thought I'd let you all know that there are A LOT of us who want shirts. Thanks, everyone, for sending me the info! (and thanks to some of you for your extra hello notes you included). I'll be replying to your note, Alie, in the next couple of days. Keep those shirt orders rolling in to me, titled I WANT A SHIRT.......... Adios Carolyn the Mongrel Fluid ***************************************** I can hear music - sweet, sweet music.....V/Femmes Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile.....Nirvana ***************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: T Shirts From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) People listen up: I have been talking with a Graphic Design Artist about the T Shirts.. Here is the input: 1. The higher the volume the better the cost, we need to get the order around 50 - 100 to get a good price. Carolyn how is our numbers coming?? 2. Color of the image. The more colors the higher the cost (remember shading counts as a color). 3. Silk Screen or iron on. Silk Screen is more costly, but we would get a better shirt. Iron on looks like the cheap stuff you get at the beach. And of course if our numbers our higher Silk Screen is by far the better way to go. 4. Image, if we supply the image via jpeg or some thing done from Photo Shop they can use it as a starting point. 5. Shirt color, they agree not black or white (may I add here that black would be a big mistake for summer - we would all be meeting at Lolla in the Red Cross First Aid Station). How about the middle of the road "Gray".. 6. Copyright, NO, NO, NO, to Soundgarden, song titles, logo's, people (Mr. Petty). No shop that is on the up and up will handle anything in volume that could have a copyright infringement. 7. They think the fork is a great idea. So we need to talk about slogan and we need to talk fast if you want this for this summer. 8. The person I been talking with would like to get us the shirts in a ball park cost of $10 to $15 a piece. Now remember there is still shipping and handling. Okay, now we need some answer fast... How is this: Shirt color: Gray Image Back: Web page number 4 Fork w/slogan - Posting with your good eye closed Image Front: SOMMS - across chest or as a logo on left breast area (where pocket would be). Last detail: The person I been talking to is willing to shop around for us and get us the best deal. She is a Design artist so she can do the lettering and make it look good. We need to talk handling of the money and mailing. I would be willing to do this as long as I get the money and information up front. If you want me to keep going with this I need to know as soon as possible. If someone can do better - great I have no problem letting anyone else take this on. I'm not the Village Idiot for nothing... Jamie ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I've seen how you give it... just writing in to share my thoughts on a very underrated soundgarden song from superunknown. not very many people talk about it, unless they want to know what it's about (we think/know it's about the killing spree that u.s. postal worker went on in his hometown after he was fired), but I think mailman deserves a lot more recognition than that, as it is a damn fine song. the first thing that grabbed me when I heard the song was the massive guitar crunch at the beginning. the way kim splits the guitar tracks and manages to make the intro sound good while playing the riff out of time is really cool. and, of course, the its written by matt, so you know it is special :) chris' singing is fantastic on this song (I listened to it on my headphones about twelve times last night). the lyrics are great, full of the usual melancholy aggression that is in most soundgarden songs. I'd guess that chris spent a lot of time getting the vocals just right. how he sings the words 'most' and 'for me' in the first verse give me the chills. and the way 'dirt' is punctuated by a snare beat is cool. but perhaps the coolest part of his singing is when he gets to the chorus. I like how he isn't really pushing his voice for most of the chorus, and then when he goes 'I'm riding', the microphone almost overloads and gives out a huge dose of distortion. the moster drumming by matt is also excellent. you can almost tell the music was written by matt, with the huge toms and the really sludgey rhythm. but he almost outdoes himself on that cool mellotron interlude that wouldn't have sounded out of place on fourth of july. towards the end of the song, kim does some really great stuff. it sounds like he is trying to create a lot of chaos all those guitar overdubs. and then he brings in the harmonics in the last verse, which add to the rhythm of chris' singing. chris said that they sang over some of the lead breaks on superunknown, just to give them a bit more motion, and I applaud the decision :) lastly, I read a review of the album where the guy said that the most striking part of the song is that there is no conclusion, and that the listener is stuck in this spiral of 'I know I'm headed for the bottom, but I'm riding you all the way'. good call. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Foxymophandlemama <76345.3722@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: tee-shirt (what else?) - who wants one? I just found this list a few days ago, so I'm a newbie right now. But I'm interested to know about the t-shirt thing- what is it, and can you count me in for one? Thanks. For those of you who are members of Knights of the Sound Table-- I'm only 15 so I don't have that much money, but I'd like to join the fanclub. Is it worth it, or should I just get another SG shirt and poster instead? - -Mophandlemama ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Subject: Re: T Shirts trying to get some definate ideas down here :) >1. The higher the volume the better the cost, we need to get the order around >50 - 100 to get a good price. Carolyn how is our numbers coming?? I think with 300 odd ppl on the list we should get around 100, how about it Carolyn? >3. Silk Screen or iron on. Silk Screen is more costly, but we would get a >better shirt. Iron on looks like the cheap stuff you get at the beach. And of >course if our numbers our higher Silk Screen is by far the better way to go. Silk Screen! iron on, looks crappy :) > >4. Image, if we supply the image via jpeg or some thing done from Photo Shop >they can use it as a starting point. We got some good ppl, already drawing shirts I think we can have a jpg no worries. >How about the middle of the road "Gray".. Grey for sure! >8. The person I been talking with would like to get us the shirts in a ball >park cost of $10 to $15 a piece. Now remember there is still shipping and >handling. Shipping and handling isn't that much, What if for overseas countries, ie us down in Aust, is it cheaper to send a bulk shipment to one person, who then distributies the shirts in Aust. Or to send them individually. > >Okay, now we need some answer fast... How is this: > >Shirt color: Gray Perfect :) >Image Back: Web page number 4 Fork w/slogan - Posting with your good eye >closed >Image Front: SOMMS - across chest or as a logo on left breast area (where >pocket would be). Same sort of idea but turned around: Image Back: Somms written across the top, Posting/wmgec underneath. Image Front: The fork I didn't really like the slogon written across the fork, but if it's what more ppl vote I'll still go with it. I think the fork and writting are fairly set now, if any other ideas get them in quick, otherwise post ideas about what design you would like so we can vote and get started! :) seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Fast Stories....From Kid Coma" by Truly ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: grey shmay... sorry to disagree with some of you, but I'm not sure that grey would be a very good colour for the shirt. do we want something that is a little bold, or do we want something that looks washed out and shitty after going through the spin cycle three times? imho, maroon or purple would be a great improvement on a grey shirt. of course, those colours would probably be the most expensive ones to order. but I'm not sure that because we can't have black or white we should go for a mixture. what does everyone think? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: grey shmay... How about tie-dyed!! Just kidding. I don't really care what color it is. As long as it's not camouflaged, or pink. What about unbleached? It's not white, it's not grey, it's just natural. I sound like a commercial...And now back to the program... >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, blind dog wrote: > > > sorry to disagree with some of you, but I'm not sure that grey > would be a very good colour for the shirt. do we want something that is > a little bold, or do we want something that looks washed out and shitty > after going through the spin cycle three times? > > imho, maroon or purple would be a great improvement on a grey > shirt. of course, those colours would probably be the most expensive > ones to order. but I'm not sure that because we can't have black or > white we should go for a mixture. what does everyone think? > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: grey shmay... Good call, big J. I think blue would be a cool colour. Like somewhere between royal and navy. Maroon would be pretty dope, too. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, blind dog wrote: > ones to order. but I'm not sure that because we can't have black or > white we should go for a mixture. what does everyone think? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: hold on a minute On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > Okay, now we need some answer fast... How is this: Why exactly do we need to rush this? I mean it's only been in the conceptual stage for 5 days. I think we should wait, look at some more ideas and then decide so we don't end up with something that is sub-standard. Otherwise a couple of days later someone will come up with a really cool idea, but its too late, the presses have rolled, everyone gets sad and depressed and can't think about soundgarden without thinking about the water-shirt incident. Then the list dies and Seth becomes a hermit Massachusetts cranberry farmer and leads a empty unfulfilled life. See the dangers we face here, this could happen :) > > Shirt color: Gray > Image Back: Web page number 4 Fork w/slogan - Posting with your good eye > closed > Image Front: SOMMS - across chest or as a logo on left breast area (where > pocket would be). Here's my two cents on shirt design. For a start, grey is a bad color, if you've seen the animal collage shirt you probably know what I mean. I have it and it ends up looking faded and shitty. If black and white are out then we should go for something cool like purple. Too much writing is definately a bad thing, as are big red profanities (sorry steve). We should go for something subtle and mysterious that matches the elite undergroud society that we are. All it needs to say is somms@mit.edu and whatever slogan we may decide on in small-ish writing. As for the image it shouldn't be too big, or too butt-rocky (sorry again steve), the fork is far and away the best of the ones seth has on display. Anyway that's it....bye all ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ From: Mohit Krishan Bawa Subject: Rhino Hippo Compilation I found an old Green River/Soundgarden song on a punk/hardcore compilation album put out by Rhino Hippo Records. This compilation, "2000 Year Gone," has the folowing artists and songs: Fat Lady Singing, Lights Out Blood Red, Stay at Home Frenzy, You're Trash Ghoul, Swallow My Pride* The Dwarfs, Two Heads are Better than One Starvation, School's Out* The Tramps, Homesick The End is Near, Waste of Life Probe, Put that Hose Away Under My Gun, Peeled Skin Denial, Set Ablaze Sons of Cengiz, Brother Kaya Joystick, Set Loose * represents covers. The album is available in record stores with a pretty wide selection. It is a great buy. The music is energetic and unpretentious. Try to ckeck it out. ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Nothingman Rules :-( At 12:20 AM 27/02/96 EDT, Nothingman wrote: >Ok, everyone who wants a shirt, send me a message with the topic as >SHIRT in all big letters. I'll count them and then post a message >later that shows who wants one, and if you aren't there, then tell me, >but that probably won't be for a while. Nothingman, where have you been? :-( I'm already compiling such a list !!- people have been sending me messages with the subject title I WANT A SHIRT, letting me know the size they want - Small, Medium, Large or Extra Large. They must get their messages to me by Monday, 4 March, and I'll be compiling them all, and posting a confirmation note to the list next week for people to check that I've got it right. So don't worry about doing all that again. :-) Cheers Carolyn the Monstrous Fluke ******************************************************* I think I've gone insane; I can't remember my own name.....Therapy? Did you do too many drugs? - I did too many drugs.....Violent Femmes ******************************************************* ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: cancel that one!! Oh dear, communication with our different time zones have stuffed us up again! :-( Nothingman, please pretend I didn't send that post now dissing you for falling asleep at the wheel again...........yes, we all know everyone must send their t-shirt order to ME. Not Nothingman. Bad Hair Life is right. Maybe I need a coffee. Carolyn the Mucked-up Fuck ***************************************** I used to be happy, I used to be.....Violent Femmes I can't get any lower; still I feel I'm sinking.....SG ***************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: Re: hold on a minute From: seth > Why exactly do we need to rush this? I mean it's only been in the > conceptual stage for 5 days. I think we should wait, look at some more > ideas and then decide so we don't end up with something that is > sub-standard. Here's what people should do: they should send me more potential t-shirt designs so that I can put them on the Web page. There are 4 (yes, only FOUR) designs to choose from so far, and at least one of them (the Ramen) is definitely not going to be used (no offense to the creator). So if we want to have something cool, more people need to get involved. > cool idea, but its too late, the presses have rolled, everyone gets sad and > depressed and can't think about soundgarden without thinking about the > water-shirt incident. Then the list dies and Seth becomes a hermit > Massachusetts cranberry farmer and leads a empty unfulfilled life. Hey, this could happen. Do you people want to drive me to insanity? > Here's my two cents on shirt design. For a start, grey is a bad color, if > you've seen the animal collage shirt you probably know what I mean. I > have it and it ends up looking faded and shitty. If black and white are > out then we should go for something cool like purple. I'm against purple. I have only one grey shirt, and I really do like it! The problem is this: if you really want to go with some variation of the fork design, I don't think it's going to look all that great on a dark color (purple, for example), so white, grey, or "natural" are the best choices. If you want a different color shirt, you need to come up with a design that will work. > Too much writing is definately a bad thing, as are big red profanities > (sorry steve). We should go for something subtle and mysterious that > matches the elite undergroud society that we are. All it needs to say is > somms@mit.edu and whatever slogan we may decide on in small-ish writing. No "@mit.edu"; we can't be sure that the list will always run out of MIT. Like I said in a previous email (I think), I hope that the list will always be called "SOMMS," so putting just that on the shirt should make it timeless. seth ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: hold on a minute - T-SHIRT Okay - me again. Jamie, you're doing a great job. But I agree with Little Joe. No immediate rush. Yes, silk screening is the go. I agree with Blind Dog, Little Joe and the others on not grey. Any colour but black, white or grey. Numbers so far are up around the 40 mark. I'd say we'll end up with 50-100, no problems. After reading Jamie's investigations, and comments by many of us on this list, the twisted fork picture is something no one has objected to. So I'd say we'll be going with that. And SOMMS written somewhere. And "Posting with our good eye closed" written on the back of the shirt (I agree with Lee that it shouldn't be written over the top of the fork picture). But, let's do as Little Joe suggested - HOLD OUR HORSES!! :-) Only for a while, at least until after I have received all postings by you who want shirts (not forgetting to include the size you want also). BTW - I only sent ONE copy of the each last two messages that came from me to the list. For some reason I got 3 copies of each message! Keep smiling, Carolyn the Mushy Filly ******************************************************* I think I've gone insane; I can't remember my own name.....Therapy? Did you do too many drugs? - I did too many drugs.....Violent Femmes ******************************************************* ------------------------------ Subject: Re: hold on a minute From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: >> Okay, now we need some answer fast... How is this: >On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Little Joe wrote: >Why exactly do we need to rush this? I mean it's only been in the >conceptual stage for 5 days. Okay lets talk time: At lease a week or two for list member to come up with a final design.. At lease a week of leg work to find the right shop to handle the work. I will not go with a place that does poor quality. I will want to see a shirt and design they have done. I will not just hand it over to someone to do, without seeing their work. At lease a week for approval of final price from the group. At lease two weeks to collected the money (air mail from Australia is two weeks). At lease two weeks (if we are lucky) for the dealer to do the work. Then two weeks to mail the shirt back to you.. So we are talking 10 weeks at lease from the time we start until you get your shirt. And that's if everything goes smoothly.. We are taking May, wasn't it you Aussie's who told us SG was coming your way in May???? Look I work and live in the real world of schedules and planning. I know two days after we make a decision, someone will come up with a great idea. I don't thing we can get everyone to agree on one design, someone is not going to like one thing or another. That happens, but each time we have talked about this shirt idea it dies because it gets run into the ground. I don't know about the rest of you but I would like to see it happen this time.. Jamie ------------------------------ From: lovedog@txdirect.net (mauricio) Subject: how??? hi there, i was just thinking. if there are about, what, 500 subscribers to the list....(right?) i'm sure that more that one fourth of us play insturments (guitar, bass, drums, trumpet, sax, banjo, sitar, whatever!!!) why the hell don't some of us get together and play some music together?!?!?!??!?!?! ok, ok, i know, some of us live on a far off desserted island or something, and can't get together because of how far people live from each other....... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm lost. :( ------------------------------ From: SuPeRuNKNoWN Subject: hi Hi, I'm new on the list. Just thought I'll introduce myself.. - -- *** I woke the same as any other day except a voice was in my head. It said seize the day, pull the trigger, drop the blade and watch the rolling heads... *** ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Swedish needs some help here... One day Erik Lundsten wrote the following in a post where he kindly helped URBANO with some tabs: > Does anybody know if Pearl Jam has a mailinglist, > if so how do I join(I just love those Seattlebands)? > -----Erik LundstenUnfotunately he just sent the message only to the ugly URBANO, so nobody could read that. URBANO didn't know about the PJ mailing list so he forwarded the message to the list. And as you can see fellow listees here it is. So please help him, we will both thank you... URBANO ___________________________________________________________ The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life. - William Faulkner ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: T Shirt payment Anybody willing to help me? As you know I live here in Mexico and... well... I've never ordered anything by mail so I don't know how the hell I might send $15 to anywhere... any ideas? And perhaps I might as well order to somebody that copy of the CD+? Please somebody help me before the shirt is made... URBANO Some thoughts after writing that: "Damn peso... if I do this I might go hungry for a month... " "I don't care." ______________________________________________________________ The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life. - William Faulkner ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: CHEAPER shirts OK listen up everyone... My dad is running to become the president of the Charro Federation (if you don't know what a charro is, mail me) he is in plain campaign. Recently (sorry to com with this until know, bu my mother just reminded me) some friend of his made for him about 1000 shirts. They were awful but my mom tells me he might do them in any quality. I was thinking that perhaps he could do the shirts for us and just imagine how cheaper the shirts could be made here... Think of it, the workers in his factory earn the minimal wage which is about 2 (yes, TWO) dollars a DAY... I told my mom that the average cost of the shirts would be of US$10-$15 and she told me that I was nuts... that we could speak to this dude and he could do them for me MUCH MUCH cheaper than that... If interested, let me know. URBANO ______________________________________________________________ The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life. - William Faulkner ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: designs on things soundgarden... I think geoff made a good call on the shirt colour. natural sounds pretty good to me, considering that we could probably not as a shirt designing and buying group decide on what colour would be best. so maybe no colour at all would be best. does that mean a wheat sor tof colour, or a darker hessian sort of thing geoff? but having said that, maybe the spoon design would work if it was in white, and then on a purple, maroon or blue (as long as it aint powder blue) shirt. what do you think of that seth? it may work out to look a little better and a lot different to every other shirt that is white with black writing or black with white writing. I also agree with joe that we should go for a design that is subtle and more understated than not. why have a huge banner across our chests and shoulder blades? better to be a little less loud. the twisted fork is imho cool, with 'somms' written somewhere around it, preferably on the breast pocket. posting with my good eye closed is also cool. I don't know if I'm repeating something that has been confirmed but: posting with my good eye closed would look real good :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Dan Murphy Subject: I WANT AN XL SHIRT! hello again everyone... i am all for this t-shirt idea. just wondering what our budget is? i am thinking like $15? is this about right? (i suppose this means no embroidery - but hey, that's for f'ing sissies on the G'N'R list!) :) and yes i mean to offend all you axl lovers out there... i don't think that the grunge brown would work too well, just would be too close to lots of other stuff out there now, 'specially the kickstand t-shirt, which sucked. i think something more or less neutral like black or dark blue or maroon would be best...IMHO. adios danno, who is wearing his homemade cornell fork right now. (i made it two years ago, and it still freaks the family out) ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 48] ***************************************