From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 23 Feb 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:15:14 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 23 Feb 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 19 Feb 1996 Re: List T-shirt Ben Shepard ???? the idea that just won't die the twisted fork My $0.02 worth on the shirt thing The Garden Grows. NothingbutthesameoldBOMB Re: T-shirt - summary Tshirts, Mellotrons, NOT the state of the economy! Like Suicide (Acoustic) Reading 95 T-Shirts RE: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 22 Feb 1996 list tee She Likes Suicide Re: She Likes Suicide More t shirt stuff us SETH, ARE YOU OK!!? Not more tshirt stuff Re: list tee Shedding???? T-shirt (again) Re: list tee Re: SETH, ARE YOU OK!!? Bucket of Xiao Re: the twisted fork Re: list tee - address/SOMMS Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 18 Feb 1995 da shirt... Shirt Does Kim drink "The Beast"? T-shirt Chunks in Kim's beard ???? Female singers Re: Female singers/Shirt Copyright Re: the twisted fork Re: SETH, ARE YOU OK!!? Chunks in Kim's beard Re: list tee Re: Photos of Artis Re: list tee Female singers da shirt... Re: Big Dumb Sex Re: the twisted fork ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 19 Feb 1996 MO>>Kim said that when they play Gun live, sometimes Matt gets excited and MO>>speeds it up and gets too fast for the rest to keep up. And on the MO>>album, it gets pretty fast. It's hard for me to keep up on guitar, but MO>>what do I know, I suck. MO>I can keep up with Gun...it's tough to do, but I can pull it off...but then MO>again, I play rhythm guitar. Never mind. I can too, but it's a bitch. MO>>Matt and Ben almost always have those plain button up shirts on. They MO>>musta been preppies in high school. :) MO>Possible...after all, Ben is Lyle Lovett in disguise and Matt is just plain MO>Matt... Matt is 33 years old. He doesn't look a year over 25. I was surprised to find that Ben is the youngest at 28 (I think). I thought Ben would've been one of the oldest, and Matt would be the youngest. MO>>Really? I didn't notice. ;) MO>>And now you're Mondruid. What a mon. MO>Rosta-Mon Druid...I guess. My new server doesn't let me use a niner, so I'm MO>limited to 8...suck. I hate those, then I have to be Nothing, and I guess I am anyway. Nothingman -So let it be known for what we believe in. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: List T-shirt KC> I like the 'weird green or purple' idea. haven't you guys seen the KC>Kickstand shirt w/ the tricycle? It's purple, isn't it? and it's way KC>cool and different. Plus I have the SG shirt w/ the jungle sort of scene KC>on the front and it's grey...I've had enough of grey and black. KC> Can't one of you trivia folks out there figure out what Chris's (or KC>Kim's or Ben's or Matt's) favorite color is? KC>Kelly The Kickstand shirt is green. Not just any green, but weird green, kinda puke green or booger green. Anyway, it's darker, off green, green, if you know what I mean. The tricycle is sparkly purple, though. I would have to say that Chris' favorite color is black. And for some reason, I remember Matt sayibg his was blue and Kim saying his is purple...but purple doesn't really go well with his beard. I think I'm on crack... Nothingman -Oh, and PS...I'm fired. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Ben Shepard AS>Should a musicians behavior be kept in mind when evaluating his AS>talent, or should the performance stand by itself? The reason I ask is AS>because of Ben Shepard. From what I've heard on this list and AS>elsewhere, he seems to be a pretty good musician and an integral part AS>of the band. But he also seems to be, well..and asshole. I've heard AS>countless stories of him spitting and cursing on fans, threatening to AS>beat up *women*, talking about how he would kick or spit on girls he AS>was disgusted with. Each time I hear something else, I feel a bit less AS>favorable to him. Call me crazy, but his behavior reminds of a grammar AS>school bully. Does he have some sort of psychiatric problem? I think Ben is a hell of a musician, but he does seem kinda weird. I never hear him talk, and he's never in interviews. I always see Chris in interviews (because he's so awesome) and Kim talks a lot in them, and I've even seen Matt in a few, which is rare for drummers to get the sppotlight. But never Ben. And we have all heard some pretty nasty stories of spitting and flippin' off the fans, which doesn't seem like the Soundgarden way. Chris is always so positive about the fans and says how much he wants to keep us happy and keep doing stuff for us and not the media or the money. But Ben doesn't seem like that. Maybe it's just that young'un rebellious stage that we all go through. ;) Nothingman -I know I'd do that stuff if my looks were compaired to Lyle Lovett's. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: ???? Hey... I heard somewhere that Chris and Susan were having marital problems. This isn't true... is it? I've been gone from the mailing list for awhile, so I've missed all the SG gossip. Someone fill me in, PLEEEEEZE!!!! Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ Subject: the idea that just won't die From: seth The Soundgarden Mailing List Member Directory. I'm now all caught up; everyone who sent me a description is in the directory (I have a few pictures not scanned yet, but I'll take care of those this weekend). Where is it, you ask? [URL is private! Join the list if you want to know!] I also put a password-protected link (works with forms-compatible browsers) to the directory from the mailing list archive on the unofficial SG website, so you don't have to remember the special URL. Of course, the tradeoff is that you now have to remember the password. Listen closely, everyone. The password is... [it's a secret!] Got it? Give it a try, make sure it works. And submit a description and send a picture if you haven't done so already... seth ------------------------------ Subject: the twisted fork From: seth I was sitting here (like uninvited company, of course) in front of Photoshop, getting ready to make up some designs for the list t-shirt, when it occurred to me that I've never seen Chris' twisted fork. Can someone please describe it to me in detail so that I might try to recreate it as an image? thanks, seth ------------------------------ From: gfox@csc.uvic.ca (Greg Fox) Subject: My $0.02 worth on the shirt thing So far I like the idea of a list t-shirt. It would be very cool 'cause not too many people in my town would have one. The ideas I liked: color = purple or green, or grey (white and black are definitely out for me) SOMMS not the extended version Twisted Fork. Posting with my good eye closed. My idea. Twisted fork on the left breast where the pocket should be, SOMMS under it, and on the back Posting with my good eye closed. Sound like a good idea? Greg ------------------------------ From: gfox@csc.uvic.ca (Greg Fox) Subject: The Garden Grows. I was in a local CD shop, and they have this 2 CD set originally recorded in Norway, or some other far off country. Oddly enough it was entitled "the Garden Grows" (or some such title, and hence the subject). I was just wondering if this set is worth the $75 Canadian they are asking? If anyone knows, what is the sound quality like? I am considering getting it, but I want to double check before investing large amounts of money, and you guys are the best consultation around. Thanks. Greg ------------------------------ From: "LaughingBoy" Subject: NothingbutthesameoldBOMB Don't you hate it when your favorite band decides that it's going to release all of it'd B-sides on one album. I somewhat despise that because I'm out kicking my butt around from record store to record store just looking for that exclusive import that will shine in my collection and after I spend $20.00 on a stupid single, that is 99% album tracks and 1% rare stuff, I find out that if I had waited a week later I could have gotten an entire album of rare crap. Practicallity aside though I'm a bit of a snob and I take pride in knowing and having more rare band crap then the other guy, who doesn't care either way,so when these special B- side albums come out my entire stock pile is useless. Take the once phenomenol but now bastardized song "Girl U want" for example. It first appeared on Somms( as far as I know ) and then it showed up once again on one of the outshined singles and then after a long rest it came back on a Fell on Blackdays single as some kind of ultra rare track. This really pissed me off because the entire exclusivity of having this song in my collection was a farse. No longer was I prised and idolized as a demi-guru of soundgarden lore. In other words I protest the multiplication of rare tracks on exploitative ventures. Sure bands are exploitative by nature but hell why not give the hard liners and demi-gurus something exclusive to hold onto. That's my peel on the shamm what's yours? Yippiedooisthemoefromthequickiemartwhotroughhishammerinmygutandmademea meanlittlemonkeywithanarmfullofplasticexplosiveandareallywrong dispositionthatllburnthefusethenkillafewtocuremysickness words of wisdom from HEPTOZIGMAN heanintmadheslaughing ------------------------------ Subject: Re: T-shirt - summary From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" > > How about the color gold? I mean, in "Limo Wreck" we've got ".....while > the rest of you harvest the GOLD." What do you think? Yeah.. How much would it cost to gold plate it? Matt ;) ------------------------------ From: The Stranded Subject: Tshirts, Mellotrons, NOT the state of the economy! >Ben is disturbed...just listen to Half. ;) Just kidding, in fact, I >kinda like it. >And while we're on the subject of Ben Shepherd, did you people know >that he also plays drums? I just noticed that he plays some drums and >percusion on Head Down. And it says Matt plays the Mellotron on >Mailman. What the hell is a mellotron? Im pretty sure that a mellotron was the only way you could use samples back in the olden' days.. It used small pieces of tape on each individual key (it was a keyboard instrument) each with a different recording of the desired instrument on it. Apparently the results were, and still are very pleasing, but they phased out of popularity because of the sheer hassle of running and maintenence compared to modern methods of sampling. Don't you just wanna scream from the brightness of enlightenment?;) >> Who's collecting votes, Seth? Moon Druid? I go for T's idea too, >> "Posting with our good eye closed" but how about if we integrate >> "satanoscillatemymettallicsonatas", as Jamie suggested, since it is >> the "somms" list? Maybe "posting with our good eye closed" could go >> underneath it or on the back? I don't care what color it is, as long >> as it's not "grungebrown", yuck!! > Hey! I like grunge brown. Chris wears it. Maybe it should be the > heavy white though, but with a big twisted fork on it. I still like > this as a logo. And maybe under it: "the end of the world as we know > it". But somms would have to come in somewhere. I couldn't say > where. Somebody creative, bail me out! -j >From: mondruid@interaccess.com (Moon Druid) >Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 21 Feb 1996 >>Something other than black is okay with me... I wouldn't mind a nice, >>heavy white shirt, actually. >Ummm..okay...it depends on the graphic. If it looks good on white, >let's >make a deal. At the end of the day, I rekon that the colour of the shirt should be decided after the logos/images/text has been finalised; that way it dosen't restrict the freedom of anyone designing them.. > Heather Aston > Subject: Ben Shepard > Should a musicians behavior be kept in mind when evaluating his > talent, or should the performance stand by itself? The reason I ask > is because of Ben Shepard. From what I've heard on this list and > elsewhere, he seems to be a pretty good musician and an integral part > of the band. But he also seems to be, well..and asshole. I've heard > countless stories of him spitting and cursing on fans, threatening to > beat up *women*, talking about how he would kick or spit on girls he > was disgusted with. Each time I hear something else, I feel a bit > less favorable to him. Call me crazy, but his behavior reminds of a > grammar school bully. Does he have some sort of psychiatric problem? Having consulted my personal psychiatrist, I can formally announce that this bass players particular neurosis is that he takes NO POO. I belive that it's a fairly rare affliction amongst bass players. The bass player in my band also suffers from the same problem.. - - Times are gone for honest men - - --The Mailman. ------------------------------ From: The Stranded Subject: Like Suicide (Acoustic) On Thurs 22 Feb 1996 KAZAM wrote; >Yes, there's definitely a 12-string acoustic playing in >there, 'cause you can hear the higher octave G-string ringing very >nicely thru the rendition of Chris' solo. The only problem I have is >that I don't get the FULL sound like the recording probably because I >don't have someone else on guitar playing with me. I can't figure out >what guitars are beingplayed...are there 2 12-strings going at it or a >12 and a 6 or more than 2 guitars altogether? I think that it's one of each (a six an a twelve). But when it builds up near 3/4 of the way through it could be layered with others.... Nevertheless, in its own way, the power felt within that song is equal to any full-band recordings they've done. Christ! It just occured to me... - what if it IS a full band recording? With all this talk about how multi-talented they all are, it's not inconceivable. - - Im headed for the bottom - - -But Im riding you all the way.- - -- The Mailman. ------------------------------ From: Maurizio Rossetti Subject: Reading 95 Hey there! I'm desperately looking for a video tape about the 3rd day of Reading 95! Has anyone got it? Maybe there was something like this on Mtv? Please let me know if you can help me and exchange this tape with a blank one or for trade...... ______________________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Carnival Boy)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Subject: T-Shirts From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) I will be getting a design worked up for us in the next week or so. Seth is going to put in on the Web Page. Once we have agreed on the design, we can do some research on cost. Jamie ------------------------------ From: SHAWN DOC GLANVILLE Subject: RE: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 22 Feb 1996 t-shirt: i like the design on Chris's shirt in the video BLACK HOLE SUN that shirt and a slogan would be awsome doc 3 mail ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: list tee Someone wanted a vote, so here's mine too: If not black, then grey or green or purple. SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!! IE, not white either!!! I like the gold idea...I know there's a "burnt yellow" or gold color. I like the twisted fork idea. I also second what someone said--can anyone on the list draw? Well enough to do that? I like the idea for the slogan Posting with my good eye closed, and I like the idea of the web site addie being on there. My thoughts are what happens when Seth leaves MIT? The list addie will change, right? Seth, thoughts on that? Let's keep it simple yet somehow get it identified with Sgarden, but we'll have to be careful we don't violate any copyright laws on that, so I think that means any logos they've used are out unless we get permission. So where onthe shirt can we at least put the Sg name? How soon can we get this moving if we're really gonna do it??? My concern is that I'll only be on the list until early June and then I'll have to leave until September or later!! :( So someone needs to check silk screen places for prices, etc. and I agree on the # of tees as 100 too! No, wait, I retract that....we'll need to get a count and then say here's the # and that's all. Further comments??? Let's do it! ------------------------------ From: Master of Puppets Subject: She Likes Suicide I just sorta thought of this after listening to SFTS... anyone else think that She Likes Surprises just doesn't "fit" on Superunknown? I think Like Suicide is a much better end song. I think She Likes Surprises is a really cool song, but I don't think it would have been the best way to end Superunknown. BTW, as far as titles for the next album, I'm pretty sure it's NOT gonna be Infamous Sports Biography. In the Rolling Stone article (I think), one of the band members just said that title as a joke, since they already had songs called Kyle Petty and Ty Cobb. I also hope they change some of the song titles. While I'm quite sure that the songs will kick ass, some of the titles just haven't grown on me. The only one I really liked out of the group (aside from Petty and Cobb) was Blow Up the Outside World. Sounds like something everyone can enjoy... Just my $0.02 + + + "It's a trick - get an axe." - Ash, "Army of Darkness" + + + [sig under construction] ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: She Likes Suicide doesn't it seem to you like she likes surprises sounds more like something off of ultramega ok or louder than love? it doesn't fit in with the other songs, but neither does jerry garcia's finger. this years fopp ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: More t shirt stuff I think bands use black and/or white for a good reason. They are cheap. A faded brown or olive green would be nice. Like the tricycle t-shirt for kickstand. We really need to set up a poll of some sort. Mark - -with a knack for pointing out the obvious... ------------------------------ From: John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt Subject: us Looking through the member directory and noticed something: Alot of us were born around 1975. The Donnie and Marie show, The Bannana Splits, Land of the Lost, Great Space Coaster, Stompers, Space Ghost, Sha-na-na, Puttin' on the Hits, Dance Fever, The Wonder Twins and the Legion of Superheros, Slim Goodbody, Richard Simmons, Barney Miller, Good Times, Sanford and Son . . . What a heritage Soundgarden fans from this era have. . . . Form of "Gorilla" . . . Form of "Bucket of Ice" -or- . . . Form of "Elephant" . . . Form of "Bucket of Water" Doesn't mean very much to anyone older or younger, but back in the daze of fighting Mitzilplick, that's all you needed to save the world (besides making that leprachaun say "Kcilpliztim" vanquishing him to the 4th dimension). ============================================================================= Known Aliases ============================================================================= Henry Krinkle, Mayor McCheese, Major Heally, LaMont Sanford, Your Dad, Travis Bickell, Poncherello, Huggybear. Whenever I go out, people stand and shout . . . And kids think it's funny to yell "shit" instead of "Schmidt". My name is John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt and all be damned if it's your name, too. I got it copyrighted. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: SETH, ARE YOU OK!!? OF COURSE YOU'VE SEEN CHRIS'S TWISTED FORK! YOU SCANNED IT YOURSELF ONTO THE UNOFFICIAL SG HOMEPAGE! (see photos 13 & 22 for example). ARE YOU OK, SERIOUSLY? Kisses and Hugs for our overworked and ALWAYS appreciated listadmin Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: the twisted fork Author: seth at nylanr01 Date: 2/22/96 3:24 AM I was sitting here (like uninvited company, of course) in front of Photoshop, getting ready to make up some designs for the list t-shirt, when it occurred to me that I've never seen Chris' twisted fork. Can someone please describe it to me in detail so that I might try to recreate it as an image? thanks, seth ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: Not more tshirt stuff I was just thinking that everyone has a favorite quote and they are all good (of course they are, it is Soundgarden after all) so I think the shirt slogan should be more obscure. Something only the fanatics would understand. ...never get us anywhere but dead.. mark ------------------------------ From: Kelly Christa Jones Subject: Re: list tee > > I like the twisted fork idea. I also second what someone said--can > anyone on the list draw? Well enough to do that? Personally, I don't think anyone -has- to draw. Can't you just scan the image somehow directly off a photo? I think that would be better than some boring line drawing... ------------------------------ From: AFNJ84A@prodigy.com (MR CASEY C CAUGHRON) Subject: Shedding???? - -- [ From: Casey Caughron * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I have always felt the same way. I mean why would a shedding dog cause the grass to grow greener? I know at my house where ever the dog pisses or shits the grass grows greener. Is there anyway we can find out for sure? GOON - -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Benjamin Timberlake) > Subject: outshined > > Y'know, I always thought that in 'outshined' where chris sings the part about > the grass being greener, he said, "where the dogs are shitting." It makes more > sense. Even though it says 'shedding' in the lyrics in the booklet, I bet they > put 'shedding' so that it could be played on the radion w/o any censoring. > Then again, maybe I'm full of shed. > - Ben ------------------------------ From: "Welly (Alastair Moore)" Subject: T-shirt (again) I'm quite willing to offer my services as an artist/graphic designer for the t-shirt.. unless of course anyone else wants to do it, but there you go, i'm an option anyway :) Al " It's always funny until someone gets hurt .... /======----- . .. . -----======\ welly@io.com / cm-a.j.moore@tees.ac.uk \======----- . .. . -----======/ .... And then it's just hilarious! " ------------------------------ Subject: Re: list tee From: seth > I like the idea for the slogan Posting with my good eye closed, and I > like the idea of the web site addie being on there. My thoughts are > what happens when Seth leaves MIT? The list addie will change, right? > Seth, thoughts on that? Well, the Web page is not maintained on MIT's server, so that address is not going to change (though I wonder if it's even appropriate to put the Web address on the shirt... I'm obviously biased, so that's not for me to decide). As for the list, there are (as far as I can tell) 4 things that might happen: 1. I graduate and someone else takes the list, and hopefully they like the name SOMMS, so the list becomes somms@someplace.else 2. I graduate and someone puts this list on a listserv, and hopefully they like the name SOMMS, so the list becomes somms-l@listserv.someplace 3. I graduate and remain at MIT to work, and hopefully I like the name SOMMS, so the list stays somms@mit.edu 4. I graduate, leave MIT, and no kind soul takes the list, so it dies If we were to just put "SOMMS" somewhere on the t-shirt, that would at least cover most of the bases. seth ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SETH, ARE YOU OK!!? From: seth > OF COURSE YOU'VE SEEN CHRIS'S TWISTED FORK! YOU SCANNED IT > YOURSELF ONTO THE UNOFFICIAL SG HOMEPAGE! (see photos 13 & > 22 for example). ARE YOU OK, SERIOUSLY? For sale: One unofficial Soundgarden Web page. Original owner. Like new, hardly ever used. Of course I'm not okay. :) Thanks, Vikki. seth ------------------------------ From: Mohit Krishan Bawa Subject: Bucket of Xiao Has there been any word on whether Soundgarden's video for "Flower" will be on MTV's 120 Minutes or not? Ghoul's "Bucket of Xiao" is a great video with live clips of Ghoul's cool and unpredictable stage antics interspersed with shots of GG Allin on stage, Charles Manson in prison, Sid Vicious cutting himself on stage with the Sex Pistols, and a lot of other cool and rare bands' live footage. The song is about a small-time band making it big and then breaking up and the members ending up living worthless lives, like one of the members kills someone (perhaps an allusion to Sid Vicious). Check out this video---it is occasionally on 120 Minutes too. ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: the twisted fork I'm sure I saw a picture of it in a concert shot very recently. I'm sure it was a jpg from your site. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, seth wrote: > I was sitting here (like uninvited company, of course) in front of > Photoshop, getting ready to make up some designs for the list t-shirt, > when it occurred to me that I've never seen Chris' twisted fork. Can > someone please describe it to me in detail so that I might try to > recreate it as an image? > > thanks, > seth > > ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: list tee - address/SOMMS At 03:22 PM 22/02/96 EST, Seth wrote: >....(though I wonder if it's even appropriate to >put the Web address on the shirt... I'm obviously biased, so that's >not for me to decide). ..... >If we were to just put "SOMMS" somewhere on the t-shirt, that would at >least cover most of the bases. I agree with Seth. SOMMS List is enough to go on the t-shirt. No need to clutter up the shirt too much. If people want to join the list they'll do so anyway, not because of seeing it on someone's t-shirt. And I kind of like the idea of us being a small group - we don't want the whole world joining in on the bandwagon! - so let's just keep it simple, at SOMMS List, or just SOMMS. And "Posting with our good eye closed", of course. And a twisted fork on it, with the word Soundgarden somewhere. And any colour but black, white or grey. (good idea of someone's to decide on the colour afterwards - let's get the design right first). Maybe Deb could find out the copyright side of things as far as us using the name Soundgarden on a shirt? (after a rethink, I agree - no logos to be used). If we are not using this shirt as a money-raising venture, I suspect we'd be okay - we'd only be charging each person who wanted a shirt enough to cover costs. I look forward to seeing a design on Seth's web page! Have a nice weekend, everyone, Carolyn the Methodical Formality ************************************************************ Another blip up on a television screen among an ocean of stars.....Pennywise I'm gettin' bored and I need some kicks.....Violent Femmes ************************************************************ ------------------------------ From: Mohit Krishan Bawa Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 18 Feb 1995 I like Ozzy better on vocals not only because I think the music and lyrical content were better than the existing Sabbath with Dio but also because his voice, perhaps not the greatest in range, portrays the images and emotions of the songs better than Dio's for his songs or in general. Ozzy, also is a superior showman. I have Sabbath's "Live at Last" and Ozzy's solo live albums and his concerts are unbelievable. He gets the crowd riled up, tells 'em to go crazy, and expresses his love for the fans and says he'd be nothing without them. This is a stark contrast from the new Sabbath who knows that it was once great and still thinks it is. Iommi's egomania, perhaps warranted at one time, is what made him force his friend Dio into the band and Ozzy out. He thought he was the band because the music was so good. This, as we see in rtrospect wasn't true. A similar situation occurred with Van Halen. After "1984" David Lee Roth thought he was the band so he went solo and had mediocre success at best. He didn't realize that Eddie Van Halen was the musical and lyrical impetus that allowed Roth's crazy vocals to come out well. As we see, Eddie can make this successful with Sammy Hagar as well. Don't get me wrong though, I ike Van Halen with David Lee roth so much better than with Sammy but both are really awesome. This, however is a totally peripheral issue. Maurice Fyre ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: da shirt... ah, now you're speakin' my language...screen printed t-shirts and me go way back... GROTE'S OFFICIAL SOMMS SHIRT PROPOSAL - ------------------------------------- grey shirt. long sleeves. black and red screen printing. front: on left chest, big black block letters: SOMMS (positioned where a chest pocket would be) back: In big red italics and in quotes: "Posting With My Good Eye Closed" (this is a fantastic slogan, by the way) The slogan would run in a fairly slim block, i.e. "Posting With My Good Eye Closed" The web page address would run vertically on one side of the block and the list address would also run vertically on the other side of the block. Both would be in black plain type. (another option would be running the addresses in a circle around the slogan block...come to think of it, that might look a lot better...one address on the top of the block in a half circle, and the other on the bottom in a half circle...separated by dots on either side of the block) oh well...may the best idea win... does anybody know a good option for producing these shirts? i may be able to get a good volume deal on screen printed shirts, if need be... later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: "Kyle Petty, Son of Richard" Subject: Shirt My vote on the shirt: - -Heavy white - -red BMF logo on pocket with SOMMS on bottom(kinda like the SG WEB Alliance gif) - -A HUGE twisted fork on the back pointing upwards(in black, of course) - -if possible, a pic of the band reflected in the bent part of the fork near the neck (is this image clear? don't know if it's understandable). - -anything else written on the back I don't care. That's all! Have fun! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You god is dead, and no one cares, \|/ ______ \|/ ~@- / oO \ -@~ if there is a hell, I'll see you there" /__( \____/ )__\ Trent Reznor \___U__/ ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Does Kim drink "The Beast"? Several people have mentioned Kim's perhaps excessive fondness for beer. Someone mentioned Miller Lite in particular. Has anyone seen him drinking "The Beast"? That is, Miller's Best. ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: T-shirt The Ramen noodle idea is my favorite so far. I wouldn't mind it in black (goes with everything) but if everyone wants it in white, I won't complain. ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Chunks in Kim's beard That bit about Kim puking and going around with chunks in his beard got me thinking. (Okay, I'm sick, so sue me) Remember when everyone was arguing over who would make a more suitable Jesus, Kim or Chris? I have a better idea. Rather than a Nativity play, how about that old chestnut," A Christmas Carol"? I can definitely see Kim as the ghost of Christmas present, with bits of food stuck in his beard, and those little round sunglasses he wears. Ben would be a natural as Scrooge-he wouldn't really have to act. The word "adorable" always comes to mind when I think of Matt, so he could play Tiny Tim. One problem, who would Chris play? Jacob Marley? Bob Crachit? ------------------------------ From: S0undgardn@aol.com Subject: ???? > Hey... I heard somewhere that Chris and Susan were having marital problems. This > isn't true... is it? Nope that's not true. It said it in Metal Edge once but on the next months issue they said it wasn't true. p.s I LOVE the shirt idea!!!!!!! Have a lovely evening :o) S0undgardn ------------------------------ From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Benjamin Timberlake) Subject: Female singers I was just listening to AIC's Sap (mostly to hear Chris on it ain't right) and I thought What if soundgarden used a feature female vocalist? Who would they use? How well would she complement Chris's voice. Any thoughts on this? I was thinking maybe Liz Phair or the lead singer of Helium. - Ben Benjamin Timberlake --------P O U R I N G Northwestern University --------D O W N btimlake@nwu.edu --------W I N D "If I could be sure of the words there are more things to say would you crawl into my world and take these words away?" - Chris Cornell, "Seasons" ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Female singers/Shirt Copyright Soundgarden has already had a guest female singer, on the b-side "Touch Me". It is Stephanie Barber from Babes in Toyland. And as for Carolyn's idea about the copyright of the shirt, I have to say this, it is obviously illegal and if we even speak about it to anyone it might ruin things, so it is best to keep it quiet. ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: the twisted fork seth wrote: > ... I've never seen Chris' twisted fork. I've spent hours browsing trough the images on the web page I was wondering why the hell chris never appeared with one of these forks. I guess the fork doesn't show up in any of the pix, or does it? URBANO ___________________________________________________________ The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life. - William Faulkner ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: SETH, ARE YOU OK!!? Vikki wrote: > > OF COURSE YOU'VE SEEN CHRIS'S TWISTED FORK! YOU SCANNED IT > YOURSELF ONTO THE UNOFFICIAL SG HOMEPAGE! (see photos 13 & > 22 for example). ARE YOU OK, SERIOUSLY? I must appologize for the last msg I posted, I hadn't got to Vikki's post... Sorry..... URBANO ______________________________________________________________ The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life. - William Faulkner ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Chunks in Kim's beard AS>" A Christmas Carol AS>I can definitely see Kim as the ghost of Christmas present, with bits of foo AS>stuck in his beard, and those little round sunglasses he wears. Ben would be AS>a natural as Scrooge-he wouldn't really have to act. The word "adorable" AS>always comes to mind when I think of Matt, so he could play Tiny AS>Tim. One problem, who would Chris play? Jacob Marley? Bob Crachit? I think Chris would make a good ghost of Christmas Future, because he's kinda mysterious. That ghost doesn't talk or anything, and he's dark and all covered up. Chris would definately be the ghost of Christmas future. Nothingman -And he could even rewrite all the music that goes along with it. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: list tee SA>If we were to just put "SOMMS" somewhere on the t-shirt, that would at SA>least cover most of the bases. And no matter what happens, we'll all have a reminder of what we had and what we did, and SOMMS is a cool name anyway, so I really wouldn't mind it on a shirt. Maybe you (Seth) should just stay at MIT to work, so it stays easy for all of us. :) And I found it interesting to see that you are a music major. I was almost one of those until I decided that I couldn't do much with a music degree. Anyway, I think we all owe Seth a big SOMMS list thanks, so, "THANKS SETH!" What a guy. Nothingman -I'm the most important fool you forgot to see. ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: Photos of Artis TKane46806@aol.com wrote: > Hi > I didn't get them developed yet because they're still in my camera and I > don't have a scanner. Maybe I can send them to somebody who does. > > Terri Our friend Terri here has some photos of the real Artis, as you can see he doesn't have a scanner. Anybody can help? But hey Terri where do you live? Tell so someone in you area scans them. Or perhaps you could send them to seth, something tells me he's honest enough to return them to you... or perhaps he has a psycho inside him... who knows :^) URBANO _____________________________________________________________ The aim of every artist is to arrest motion, which is life, by artificial means and hold it fixed so that a hundred years later, when a stranger looks at it, it moves again since it is life. - William Faulkner ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: list tee KC>Personally, I don't think anyone -has- to draw. Can't you just scan the KC>image somehow directly off a photo? I think that would be better than KC>some boring line drawing... Or we could just scan the official Nothingman fork that was stolen from Pizza Hut, and cleverly bent into a work of art...the idea, of course, stolen from the one Chris Cornell wears, which I think came from Artis, but could be wrong. Anyway, if I can find a scanner and figure out how to send images, maybe I'll do that and send it to Seth. Nothingman -You can see the fork in the Black Hole Sun video...look closely! ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Female singers BT>I was just listening to AIC's Sap (mostly to hear Chris on it ain't right) BT>and I thought What if soundgarden used a feature female vocalist? Who would BT>they use? How well would she complement Chris's voice. BT>Any thoughts on this? BT>I was thinking maybe Liz Phair or the lead singer of Helium. That Cranberries lady can belt out a tune, but I don't know if hers and Chris' styles would be very complimentary. But Chris has so many styles. It would definately be interesting. Nothingman -Zombie! Zombie! Sommbie! Somms? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: da shirt... JG>GROTE'S OFFICIAL SOMMS SHIRT PROPOSAL JG>------------------------------------- JG>grey shirt. Grey would be great for a long sleeved shirt. JG>long sleeves. I like long sleeves... JG>black and red screen printing. Black might look sorta generic, how about blue? JG>front: on left chest, big black block letters: SOMMS (positioned where JG> a chest pocket would be) Ok, you're right...black it is. JG>back: In big red italics and in quotes: "Posting With My JG> Good Eye Closed" (this is a fantastic slogan, by the way) I like the type they use on Badmotorfinger for Soundgarden. Like the bottom of the letters are stretched out, sorta. JG> The slogan would run in a fairly slim block, i.e. JG>"Posting JG> With My JG> Good Eye JG> Closed" JG>The web page address would run vertically on one side of the JG>block and the list address would also run vertically on the other side JG>of the block. Both would be in black plain type. I don't think there should be the address or web page address. Maybe if we can put Soundgarden (which I doubt we can...printers won't do those sorta things) it could go a half circle above and below...or maybe instead we could have another slogan circling it. Or maybe some favorite lyrics that we all agree on (yeah, that'll happen). JG>oh well...may the best idea win... May any idea win, so we can get this show on the road...I need some shirts here, guys! :) JG>does anybody know a good option for producing these shirts? i may be JG>able to get a good volume deal on screen printed shirts, if need JG>be... I'll check in at my local screen printing place. I kinda know the people so I might be able to get a good deal. Just make sure whoever does this doesn't do those generic ones that wear off after a few washings. Nothingman -After we decide on a shirt, we need to decide on a payment plan... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Big Dumb Sex AR>>First, take just about any line from Big Dumb Sex. Now, add "with a AR>>penis" to the end of it. Instant ha ha. AR>> AR>> Nothingman AR>Hey I never relised this! and it works too. Gee does nothingman have AR>anything in his life other then SG and this list?? :) I have a terrible jock itch. Does that count? Does anyone out there listen to Savatage? They're pretty cool. And yes, this message even contains some Soundgarden related stuff. What are people's thoughts on Room a Thousand Years Wide? It's one of the few songs that Chris isn't credited, and one of the few songs that Matt wrote music and Kim wrote words. The lyrics are pretty good, and Kim wrote them. It seems that he is better at that than I thought he would be. But anyway, I was just wondering what you list people might think about it. Like who is "he' reffering to? Anyone specific or just an average anyday Joe? Maybe Nothingman needs to listen to the song again. But it's a cool song anyway. Nothingman -One who loved what love denied. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: the twisted fork AL>seth wrote: AL>> ... I've never seen Chris' twisted fork. I've spent hours browsing trough AL>was wondering why the hell chris never appeared with one of these forks. AL>I guess the fork doesn't show up in any of the pix, or does it? You can see it in the Black Hole Sun video, and you can even see it in the Jesus Christ Pose video. And just about every picture I have of him he is wearing it. I guess you just have to look close. The first time I saw it was in request magazine, when they had a huge interview with him. On the inside, where the table of contents are, there is a picture of Chris down the middle of the page, and it shows his fork pretty damn good. Nothingman -It's a bitch to untangle after a song like Jesus Christ Pose. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 43] ***************************************