From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 10 Feb 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 00:27:05 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 10 Feb 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: black Web Not to start a war.....just an interesting discuss BlacK Hole Sun Re: black Web Re: black Web Ramblings... Sad McBain Bollocks (Fwd) RE: (Fwd) favourite ones.. (Fwd) Re: Hype! Bitterer rant..... Alternative is......... Re: black Web Re:sad McBain Re: black Web Re: Am I the Only One? (fwd) BlacK Hole Sun Re: black Web Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 8 Feb 1995 stuff Re: black Web Re: black Web Re: black Web Re: guitar CD Prices and Language problems Re: Lolla. SM and all that stuff Black Web..... Lolla 2 times and C -n- E Acoustic Alive in the superunknown Sorry to bother you... FOBD singles Re: SM and all that stuff Re: CD Prices and Language problems goodies stuff Re: black Web CD Prices and Language problems Alive in the superunknown Re: CD Prices and Language problems FOBD singles Re: SM and all that stuff ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: black Web RF>The telecomm bill was passed to serve *only* these purposes: RF>3. TV set manufacturers will be required to install a "v-chip" in their sets What's a "v-chip?" RF>4. _PORN_ pages will be banned from the internet. Darn. DAMMIT! Now how am I gonna get rid of that morning wood? RF>5. Telephone companies will be allowed to offer video services. Like _PORN_ video? RF>I fail to see why we're protesting. Don't you see? The internet will be ruined due to lack of _PORN_!!! Nothingman -Show da titties! Show da titties!!! ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Not to start a war.....just an interesting discuss CA>I take your point. But here are a few questions to ponder: CA>1. Why is MTV the bad guy? I'm not coming to MTV's defence, as such - I CA>don't get MTV here so I know not what I'm talking about, perhaps - but isn't CA>it the band itself or the band's producers that decide what song is going to CA>be released as a single? First of all, I don't think the band (opps, I read wrong...you said producers...I still think it's the higher up guys) has much say in which song gets picked for a single. It's probably the head honcho guys who know nothing about music. Maybe the bands help a little (when they're well established, especially) but in general, it's probably the top guys that pick this. Then, these head honcho type guys have to pick the song that they think will make it big, on MTV and the radio. So this is where MTV comes in. CA>2. Why are singles produced anyway? To make money, money, money!! CA>MTV? I'd say rather for the band - MTV is surely just a spin-off). Yeah, but if the band is making money off the single, MTV is making money off it too, because people will be watching it for that single. CA>3. Why are singles produced with other songs on the CD that cannot be CA>on the album? Are they really directed at "MTV-driven-idiots" or are they CA>to get suckers like me (fans of the band who already have the album) to buy CA>the single AS WELL as the album, just for the extra songs? C'mon, I know CA>there are lots of people on this list who have bought Soundgarden singles CA>just for the previously unreleased b-sides that go with them........ I think that would have to be a little of both. It's that two birds with one stone thing. CA>4. Is the idea of a single really all bad? Generally (except in Ross's CA>case!) singles are cheaper than the whole album. I often don't have the CA>money to BUY the whole album. So a single/EP can be a good way to get CA>hands (ears) on something musical to keep me going until I can afford the CA>album. They can also be good for sampling a new band - just buy an EP so CA>you're not wasting your money on the album if in fact after a few listens CA>you decide you don't like the music much. Don't forget music is more CA>expensive to buy in Australia than the US & Canada! (And probably more CA>expensive in Mexico too, right Urbano??). Ok, but I've found that the two or three songs aren't all that great compaired to the stuff on the real album (in most cases)...and that's why they're b-sides. They weren't good enough to put on the album, but they'll get those non-MTV suckers (the real fans) to buy it for the extra songs. CA>>I applaud those who own BOTH the album and the single. CA>Thank you! :-) [I'm taking a bow now]. Even though I sometimes want to shoot myself after I spend $12 on a CD single for two or three songs that I didn't have, I buy Sundgarden's anyway. And They Might Be Giants, but that's another list. CA>>Sorry to be so long-winded. CA>That's okay! Look at me............ CA>{public apologies for clogging all your mailboxes} Like Nothingman.... ;) Nothingman -I've been caught in a mind riot. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: BlacK Hole Sun ME>Let's end this now! SOundgarden in no way sold out by making the song "Blac ME>Hole Sun". If you listen to the lyrics, this is by no means a radio or MTV ME>song. Wishing the world to come to an end because of personal pain is not a ME>teenage girl song. The music video Did you die? What's up here? Nothingman -Mr. I Can't Complete a Thought. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: black Web SA>> I fail to see why we're protesting. SA>"The main target of the protest is the Communications Decency Act, the SA>part of the bill that would outlaw the transmission of sexually SA>explicit materials to minors. Violators of the new law could face up SA>to two years in prison and $250,000 in fines." (c|net online) FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK, and FUCKITY FUCK! I'm done. SA>And that is why I am protesting. SA>Further discussion of this should be held privately, so as not to clog SA>up people's inboxes with messages that don't relate to Soundgarden. "Leave it to Nothingman to do something stupid and half-assed like this!" Well, after my last post about this topic, I figured, what the FUCK! Sorry, all. I had to do it. But wait...Soundgarden says fuck, so does this mean that their lyrics can't be posted? Ah-ha! Now it's Soundgarden related. Nothingman -Fuckin' take fuckin' that Mr. Fuckin' Cliton (there's no n on purpose). ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: black Web On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Ross Filipek wrote: > The telecomm bill was passed to serve *only* these purposes: > > 1. The seven regional bell companies will be allowed to provide > long-distance service. > > 2. Cable TV rates will be deregulated after 3 1/2 years (resulting in > lower cost due to new competition). > > 3. TV set manufacturers will be required to install a "v-chip" in their sets. > > 4. _PORN_ pages will be banned from the internet. Darn. > > 5. Telephone companies will be allowed to offer video services. > > 6. Restrictions on the ownership of telephone and cable companies will > be loosened. > > I fail to see why we're protesting. > > Ross > BECAUSE THESE THINGS OFTEN START SMALL! GIVE AN INCH... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, seth wrote: > > > The Unofficial Soundgarden Homepage is wearing black temporarily in > > support of the protest against the telecommunications bill that > > Clinton signed today. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > "But in your heart I'd freeze." > --C. Cornell > ------------------------------ From: DanaBT@aol.com Subject: Ramblings... As far as liking SG's older stuff better, cool, good for you but personally I'm happy with the changes they've made. I wouldn't want them to keep repeating "FOPP" or even "Hands All Over" (which I do love). I own one AC/DC record and will never need to but another one because I know it will sound very similar to the one I own. It's great for when you're in a party mood, but that's it!! SG is alot more diverse and will continue to change, whether we like it or not! In an interview in Circus magazine (right before "Superunknown" came out, CC said that they would never do anything intentionally to get people to like them....but they may do something to make people hate them!! And in an off note, but an important one to those of us on this list, if this bill goes through Congress and the internet is restricted from "questionable" material (who will decide what that is anyway??) what will happen if one of us does post something questionable or possibly vulgar? Will we be fined personally?? Seth?? Sorry Seth, I know you didn't want alot of posts on this non SG related subject but that is a concern for everyone on the list to think about when writing to the list and other places. ------------------------------ From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Benjamin Timberlake) Subject: Sad McBain At 1:00 and like 2:04 on Sad McBain is the line "Linwood's my favorite stop." I think there's a Linwood on the L in Chicago. Blue line maybe (help here Tonerkins?) But I was wondering if this is what Matt's refering to, or if it's another city, or completely unrelated. If it is in Chicago, what's so cool about it and why am I not there right now? - Ben Benjamin Timberlake --------P O U R I N G Northwestern University --------D O W N btimlake@nwu.edu --------W I N D "You get your chance to try in the twinkling of an eye - eighty years with luck or even less." - Pink Floyd, 'Free Four' ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: Bollocks Bollocks = balls!!!! testicles!!!! One of my favourite expressions of distaste............. Beck ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) RE: (Fwd) favourite ones.. >> ..........It is the last track on the album. I like it....... >It's indeed the last track and it isn't hidden or anything.. Nobody said >they didn't like the song (Like suicide, we're talking 'bout btw (at least i >am)... ...............errrrm....I was talking about 'She Likes Surprises'.......Nevermind....I don't think it's all that important now........ ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Re: Hype! >How come it's called _Hype_? I'd like tto think that SG is more than just >hype..... >Ross ........yeah, but I think the title was more supposed to refer to the way the media seized the whole scene and sort of turned it into a fashion statement........ Beck ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: Bitterer rant..... >Bloody typical!! Nothing good ever happens in this country... I think every >brit on this list should pack now and get the fuck out.. ......yeah.....let's start our own country....ehy, surely there must be a bit of unconquered land still out there...... >I can't believe the >torrent of bad news about stuff here, they are axing just about everything in >this whole fucking country that is Rock orientated.. Not to mention the RAW - >Select shite that happened... .............I think ''They'' are sort of scared of Rock or something....I expect the Reading bill will be censored next THOU SHALT HAVE DANCE AND BRITPOP AND CERTAINLY NOTHING DECENT .......hope not though. >I think I'm gonna spend the rest of my grant tonight getting myself utterly >shitfaced.. :( ....Good idea Beck - Don't come to England if you like music..... 1. They almost never released the Truly LP here [but it was released last week - though I got it on import ; ) ] 2. There are no plans to release 'Alive in the Superunknown'...or that film 3. Death of RAW 4. Death of the Rock show (in April) 5. They are probably planning to ban decent music in 1997 6. This country produced Blur. Nuff said. sorry, I was feeling bitter......... ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: Alternative is......... > Alternative is suppose to be music that >most people don't hear, stuff that isn't on the radio or anywhere else. ........In England, if it isn't Shitpop or dance or Bon Jovi or MOR ...then it's alternative. .......not that I'm bitter or anything. Anyway...the conversation about singles interested me.....me and my friend buy them because they give unreleased tracks......but the best thing about singles is that they can turn you onto new bands....and in this country that's just about the only way you get to hear new stuff.... oopps. I think somebody already said that. Oh well, whatever... Beck - Maybe one day I'll be royalty........ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: black Web From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >The Internet has, until now, governed itself, and that apparently >scares the United States government. The Communications Decency Act is >the first step. I prefer to have my freedom of speech and expression >preserved, rather than tread upon. > >And that is why I am protesting. > >Further discussion of this should be held privately, so as not to clog >up people's inboxes with messages that don't relate to Soundgarden. > >seth Wrong Seth, this is just where it should be discussed.. These are the people who are going to be effected by this "Law". I'm glad Ross ask the question, how many of the 300+ out on this list wanted to know but were afraid to ask. Your response gave them more information to consider and helped them in understanding the issues.. Give the people on this list the credit for being more than just music fans. This is an issues of importance don't become like the people you are protesting against - not to permit the flow of information that educates and informs is a worst type of "Censorship". And to the members of this list: This is not a game, this is your future and you children's future. If you close your eyes and make light of it, don't come back in a few years and say - I didn't see. It was you who closed their eyes.. If you are determine to keep this list only Soundgarden, fine, how's this. Do you think the members of Soundgarden want this type of censorship? Maybe we should have Vikki call Silver Management and ask the bands take on it.. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Stuart Davies Subject: Re:sad McBain i am sure john McBain left monster magnet before he joined hater he was not the guitarist listed in the credits for superjudge which pre-dated hater Stuart Davies ------------------------------ From: Tonerkins@aol.com Subject: Re: black Web In a message dated 96-02-09 09:33:09 EST, jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) writes: >his is not a game, this is your future and >you children's future. If you close your eyes and make light of it, don't >come >back in a few years and say - I didn't see. It was you who closed their >eyes. Jamie, I agree with you 100%. This affects us all. Once again some factions of society want the goverment to do their job as parents. If there is offensive material out there that you don't want your children to see than it is your job as a parent to censor it!! And if it offends you- TURN IT OFF, DON'T BUY IT, DELETE IT!!!!!!- T - The prodigal daughter returns!!!!! and quite eloquently too! ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Am I the Only One? CA>But hang on, I don't think Pearl Jam sold out either - so maybe my CA>opinion's not a good 'un!! :-) That's ok, 'cause I don't think PJ sold out either. They changed just like Soundgarden did. Except, I think theirmusic got a bit less radio friendly. Even Flow and Alive were more radio friendly than Spin the Black Circle or Whipping. But then again, Vitology has more of those radio friendly slow songs. That's ok, because they're beautiful. Black, Release, Immortality, Elderly Woman..., Nothingman, and Garden are some of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. Out of someone other than Soundgarden, anyway. Seasons kick all their asses. In fact, Chris Cornell doing anything acoustic kicks their asses. He could puke acoustic, and it would be awesome. Nothingman -Could've been something, Nothingman. ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: (fwd) BlacK Hole Sun >Let's end this now! SOundgarden in no way sold out by making the song "Black >Hole Sun". If you listen to the lyrics, this is by no means a radio or MTV >song. Wishing the world to come to an end because of personal pain is not a >teenage girl song. The music video Amen brother!!! Can I get a witness from the congregation! to reiterate on what my fellow sommite just said the music and lyrics and video for the songs are 2 fucking weird. To be your generic pop 40 hit. Besides my housemates are the original pop 40 kids and the liked the song for a awhile but went back to hootie and it's ilk. Personally I think the just got 2 million more real fans that appreciate all they're music not just a single. Besides if a band was going to sell out the would not write a song in 7/4 and make it so fucking weird. Clown ------------------------------ From: TRAVIS BICKELL Subject: Re: black Web And to add to all that seth said: As a computer programming major, I have seen the telephone industry take the next step in controling the net with this bill. Today's existing phone lines are too slow to handle what the internet is becoming and heading towards. Phone line today will only handle up to a certain amount of data transmission, compressed or not. Allowing telephone companies to handle net activity will soon be obsolite, unless the phone companies wish to lay all new fiberoptic cable across the whole country, it will never get any better. Today's phone lines barely handle video conferencing, and even that is choppy. This bill made it closer for telephone companies to control the progress of the net (at least it isn't getting closer to cable companies who had the worst(!) ideas, but that's a different story). The other options we have as an internet society are much more appealing than this. Without going into it, the former head of Arpa-net has laid out a very detailed cost effective alternative that will be able to handle all internet needs for at least another 50 years. Phone companies (with the way the net is headed) will be obsolete in at max 2. I won't even get into censership. ============================================================================= Known Aliases ============================================================================= Henry Krinkle, Mayor McCheese, Major Heally, LaMont Sanford, Your Dad . . . ------------------------------ From: JRH6348@NSTIA1.NSTI.TEC.TN.US Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 8 Feb 1995 Hey does anyone know the meaning of the song "Full on Kevin's Mom"? ------------------------------ From: cs95ajs@brunel.ac.uk Subject: stuff What does everyone think about Gerry Garcia's Finger? when I first heard it on songs from the superunkown, I thought it was a break between songs! For people near London thinking about getting the double BMF and superunknown pack, go to Tower Records, I went to Virgin where it was 39 quid, then HMV where it was 33 and finally to Tower where it was 28 quid (death to Virgin and HMV I say!) Finally, is a reason for the Fell On Black Days CD single having such a large cover? I didn't buy it cos I'd already spent 30 quid on CDs - was just wondering. translation for our american cousins quid = pounds :) Andy ------------------------------ Subject: Re: black Web From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Please, don't give anyone encouragement to bother Soundgarden's >management over such a complicated, non-musical (in a sense) matter. >With all of their own work to do, the office staff does NOT need fans >calling them on every little (in a sense) issue. If the band feels >that the censorship or government censorship is important, believe me, >they will lead the charge. Typically in such matters, SG does NOT wave >the banner. Perhaps if you feel strongly enough, you could make your >feelings known in a letter to management. In this way, no one has any >pressure to respond immediately. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ I have neither the time or the desire to worry about this issue with you over Silver Management.. But since you have proclaimed yourself know all of it. I will not encourage anyone on this list to try to reach, ask, or use the management of Soundgarden in any way. You and your zine can have all that glory.. To the list members I apologize for this intrusion. The intent of the original note was to provoke discussion among the members on the issues and if they though SG would be pro or con to it. I will not bother you again.. End of subject. Jamie ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Re: black Web On 9 Feb 96 at 9:25, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > >The Internet has, until now, governed itself, and that apparently > >scares the United States government. The Communications Decency Act is > >the first step. I prefer to have my freedom of speech and expression > >preserved, rather than tread upon. > > > >And that is why I am protesting. > > > >Further discussion of this should be held privately, so as not to clog > >up people's inboxes with messages that don't relate to Soundgarden. > > > >seth > > Wrong Seth, this is just where it should be discussed.. These are the people > who are going to be effected by this "Law". I'm glad Ross ask the question, > how many of the 300+ out on this list wanted to know but were afraid to ask. > Your response gave them more information to consider and helped them in > understanding the issues.. Give the people on this list the credit for being > more than just music fans. This is an issues of importance don't become like > the people you are protesting against - not to permit the flow of information > that educates and informs is a worst type of "Censorship". > > And to the members of this list: This is not a game, this is your future and > you children's future. If you close your eyes and make light of it, don't come > back in a few years and say - I didn't see. It was you who closed their eyes.. > > If you are determine to keep this list only Soundgarden, fine, how's this. Do > you think the members of Soundgarden want this type of censorship? Maybe we > should have Vikki call Silver Management and ask the bands take on it.. > > Jamie > > Please, don't give anyone encouragement to bother Soundgarden's management over such a complicated, non-musical (in a sense) matter. With all of their own work to do, the office staff does NOT need fans calling them on every little (in a sense) issue. If the band feels that the censorship or government censorship is important, believe me, they will lead the charge. Typically in such matters, SG does NOT wave the banner. Perhaps if you feel strongly enough, you could make your feelings known in a letter to management. In this way, no one has any pressure to respond immediately. > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: black Web From: seth > Wrong Seth, this is just where it should be discussed.. These are the people > who are going to be effected by this "Law". I'm glad Ross ask the question, > how many of the 300+ out on this list wanted to know but were afraid to ask. > Your response gave them more information to consider and helped them in > understanding the issues.. Give the people on this list the credit for being > more than just music fans. This is an issues of importance don't become like > the people you are protesting against - not to permit the flow of information > that educates and informs is a worst type of "Censorship". An excellent point. Thank you, Jamie. This debate is definitely important, and I can't think of a good reason why we shouldn't discuss it here, since you're right in that it affects all of us as members of an Internet-wide mailing list. My apologies. > Do > you think the members of Soundgarden want this type of censorship? Maybe we > should have Vikki call Silver Management and ask the bands take on it.. It would be interesting, but it really is unlikely that Soundgarden would be much concerned with the part of the Telecomm bill that affects us. But if Vikki wants to call and ask, that would be cool (and Deb, we're not all running to our phones to bug Silver Management; they can probably handle a phone call or two)... seth ------------------------------ From: ward brandon t Subject: Re: guitar it is my impression that the S-100 is no longer in production, as Kim stated in an interview. But I also think that Guild may have started producing them again b/c of Kim. Pretty wild, eh? On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, THAYL'S TILE MARKET wrote: > > Hey, is there anybody else out there that has a Gulid S-100 (Did I get the > model name right) ? The guitar Kim plays ? > ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: CD Prices and Language problems After reading the cost of CD's in the U.S.A. and Australia I'm feeling pret= ty lucky that I live =0Ain the UK. Here, a CD single costs about =A32 and = a full album about =A313-15 in my local =0Ashop. =20 On the subject of some people having language difficulties with the British= dialect (i.e. =0A"bloke") I think that we should all write in as strong an= accent as possible to confuse them. =0A(Only joking!!) I sometimes have = the same problem when all you Americans make =0Areferences to U.S. stuff. = For example, I didn't have a clue what pay per view was (I know =0Anow so p= lease don't email me with an explanation). =20 I'd better write something about Soundgarden to keep Seth happy I suppose. I was listening to Seasons on the Singles soudtrack the other day. It only= credits Chris as =0Athe performer but I'm sure I can hear two guitars. Wh= o is playing the other one? Grant ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: Lolla. Well, two things. In 1992, Soundgarden was on the mainstage and were never on the second stage(well, there was that three song acoustic set with Eddie V that I saw on the stage but that didn't count.) When Lolla 92 came to Alpine Valley, Sharkbait and Jim Rose and some other band (i think they were rappers) was on it. Also, Soundgarden won't be the first band to do it twice. Cypress Hill was on the second stage in 93 or 94 and then were on the mainstage in 95. Ca-ching-- My .02 cents ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: SM and all that stuff This is Deb from MPS. My coeditor answered the message about calling SM and finding out Sgarden's stand on the topic of censorship/ the net/etc. It was not meant to be taken in such a vein as to enflame the whole list. Ladies and gentlemen, stop and think for a moment... Silver Management has bands to promote, tours to set up, new bands to get contracts for, fan club mailings to plan and prepare for mailing, record companies to deal with, etc., etc, and on and on. We on this list, and all other Sg fans have no need to call them on every little whim that crosses our minds. We have dealt with alot of managements and can assure you that SM is the most open one around, or so it seems. If there's something the band or management wants fans to know, it gets out there to the public! Unlike another management in Seattle that has never told the fans why a member of that band was fired, or told all the fans a story about it. We only call when we have business for the zine, and they do appreciate that. If you feel you must contact them and find out what's up, why not try their email address? In the end, you can do what you want, but put yourself in the position of SM's staff who's trying to do a job....and doesn't have the band right at hand to answer questions posed by fans! Thanks for listening and apologies to anyone whose toes were stepped on by simple advice. later...deb ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Black Web..... OK guys. I now understand the reasons for the black page. I'm a telecom major and have spent a lot of time discussing the bill in class, but no one ever brought up the point that speech was going to be censored. Neither did any of the newspaper articles or television reports that I saw. I was under the impression that the main focus of the bill had almost nothing to do with the internet. I thought it just concerned the legalities of the telephone and cable industries. It appears that I was not well informed about the far reaches of the bill, and I apologize for my earlier post (the one with the list). Gosh. None of my professors approached this bill from the slant that some of you have. They only taught us the "good" thing(s) about it but didn't dare mention that it was a 1st ammendment violation. But now I see that it sucks (thanx Seth) and I see that the rest of us need to do something about it. Sorry to post this not-too-SG-related message, and I say 'thank you' to whoever read this. Ross P.S.--Speech censorship? How can that *possibly* be done (I mean effectively)? And to keep it SG related, what can Silver Management do about it? "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Lolla 2 times and C -n- E Acoustic SG are the ONLY band to appear on the Lolla main stage twice. Hmmm...Atypical, as usual (hey! an oxymoron). The Lolla tour will provide publicity and revenue, but, more importantly, enable them to remain 'uncelebrated'. In a couple of recent interviews, Chris (trying not to sound unappreciative) emphasized that he misses the challenge of gaining a sometimes unwilling audience's respect and attention. (I'll venture that the sing-along that occurs during BHS really freaks them out.) Chris also mentioned that, in retrospect, their set lists should have come from what THEY WANTED to play, versus what they thought WE WANTED to hear. Vikki PS: Could someone post details about the Lolla '92 acoustic Chris -N- Eddie set -- I've heard OF this set, never ABOUT it. Any recordings of the event? ------------------------------ From: "Kyle M. Morgan" Subject: Alive in the superunknown I picked up the enhanced cd version of the "Alive In The Superunknown" = cd and it is excellent. Aside from having a great acoustic version of = Like Suicide, it has a bunch of quicktime video, a band interview, and = other Soundgarden fan stuff. There is also a slightly slower, darker = version of Fell on Black Days from the video. Anyone out there have it = and what do you think of it. ------------------------------ From: euphoric@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Sorry to bother you... but I can remember a couple of people on the list (and I coulda sworn that Clown With Bazooka was one of em) asking me to copy Reading '95 for em (I was Foreshocks at the time), but I never got tapes from them. I wanna tell these people that um, if you sent me a tape and never got it back, sorry, I didn't get it (the mailman's being a real ass lately). and did anyone even send me a tape? and if anyone else wants me to tape reading '95, no problem, just send me a blank and two bucks for postage. tell me if you want it so I can give you my address. hm, I don't know what else to say, I don't wanna waste your time, so I better make this good. :) hmmm... "if you were stranded on a desert island.." nooo.... Hm, has anyone seen the new Hit Parader? It has Chris in it, a picture and an interview, of course the interview doesn't really say anything :) It does however say that the new album is expected this spring, but then again I don't find Hit Parader very reliable :( Oh well.. the picture of Chris is dandy though.. it's one of his rare shirtless moments of 1994/95.. he doesn't go shirtless too often anymore. oh well. I think I'll shut up now, and those people who wanted me to tape Reading 95 please reply and tell me what's goin on! Euphoric (foreshocks) ------------------------------ From: mailman Subject: FOBD singles Does anyone know exactly how many FOBD singles there are? I have 2 of them and I just saw 2 different ones today. One has Birth Ritual and FOBD live and the other has Kyle Petty and Video version. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: mailman Subject: Re: SM and all that stuff I think the Soundgarden Guitar Contest jpeg on Seth's website sums up SG's stance on censorship. Check out the last line: "...If you live in Pennsylvania, you might also want to write a letter to your state representative expressing your views on the limiting of an artist's right to self-expression. Have a good one." What artist isn't opposed to censorship? What thinking person isn't opposed to cesorship? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: mailman Subject: Re: CD Prices and Language problems Chris is playing the other guitar on Seasons. In fact, I think he=20 is playing more than one other guitar. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Grant Asher wrote: > After reading the cost of CD's in the U.S.A. and Australia I'm feeling pr= etty lucky that I live=20 in the UK. Here, a CD single costs about =A32 and a full album about =A313= - -15 in my local=20 shop. =20 >=20 > On the subject of some people having language difficulties with the Briti= sh dialect (i.e.=20 "bloke") I think that we should all write in as strong an accent as possibl= e to confuse them. =20 (Only joking!!) I sometimes have the same problem when all you Americans m= ake=20 references to U.S. stuff. For example, I didn't have a clue what pay per v= iew was (I know=20 now so please don't email me with an explanation). =20 >=20 > I'd better write something about Soundgarden to keep Seth happy I suppose= . > I was listening to Seasons on the Singles soudtrack the other day. It on= ly credits Chris as=20 the performer but I'm sure I can hear two guitars. Who is playing the othe= r one? >=20 > Grant >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Subject: goodies From: seth Sound clips? How about 40 new ones? http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/multimedia Also some new SG lyrics, thanks to j/toybox, some new guitar tabs ("Gun," "Ugly Truth," "Fourth of July," "Power Trip," "Fresh Tendrils"), thanks to Mike Kitzman, and the Hater lyrics, thanks to Justin/Blind Dog, all found on their appopriate pages. Thanks again, everyone. seth ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: stuff CS>Finally, is a reason for the Fell On Black Days CD single having such a CS>large cover? I didn't buy it cos I'd already spent 30 quid on CDs - was just CS>wondering. What large cover? I wanna know why they released Fell on Black Days twice...one with the Fell on Black Days demo, and Kyle Petty, and the other with Fell on Black Days video version and Girl U Want. And then there's another with the video version of Fell on Black Days, Girl U Want, and Motorcycle Loop. Why is that? I guess this all goes back to making more money. But I like to think of it as Soundgarden trying to be nice and release more new stuff. But I think they shoulda just released an EP. And is Motorcycle Loop any good? Is it typical SG b-side? Like not as good as their album songs, but pretty damn good anyway? Nothingman -She sits in the top of the greenest tree. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: black Web SA>It would be interesting, but it really is unlikely that Soundgarden SA>would be much concerned with the part of the Telecomm bill that SA>affects us. But isn't Chris Cornell big on computers? I though I read that in an interview somewhere. If he is, I'm sure he's interested in the Internet. Wouldn't that be cool if he reads our posts on the SG page? If he does, I'm sure I annoy the hell outta him. ;) Nothingman -Maybe they should write a song about it. Bill Clinton's Finger. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: CD Prices and Language problems U0>I was listening to Seasons on the Singles soudtrack the other day. It only U0>only credits Chris as the performer but I'm sure I can hear two guitars. Who U0>playing the other one? There is just one guitar. And that would be Chris. Hey, he sang a three part harmony, and wailed over on top of that. I'm sure he can handle that guitar. ;) But it really is just him. He tunes the guitar all funny to make it easier, but it's still a bitch to play. Nothingman -She lived like a murder but she dies just like suicide. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Alive in the superunknown KM>I picked up the enhanced cd version of the "Alive In The Superunknown" KM>cd and it is excellent. Aside from having a great acoustic version of Like KM>Suicide, it has a bunch of quicktime video, a band interview, and other KM>Soundgarden fan stuff. There is also a slightly slower, darker version of Fell KM>on Black Days from the video. Anyone out there have it and what do you KM>think of it. I think it's freakin' awesome. I love the live Kickstand, and the Fell on Black Days video is one of my favorite videos of all time. I also like the other videos, especially the Day I Tryed to Live. I never noticed that teh guy tries to hand g himself with the telephone cord. Did they show this on MTV? Nothingman -I woke the same as any other day, except a voice was in my head... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: CD Prices and Language problems GK>Chris is playing the other guitar on Seasons. In fact, I think he GK>is playing more than one other guitar. I sound like a broken record, but I'm SURE that he's playing only one guitar. In fact, I can play it slow (and very bad) on my guitar to prove it. One of these days.... Nothingman -I'm gonna break my rusty cage. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: FOBD singles GK>Does anyone know exactly how many FOBD singles there are? I have 2 of GK>them and I just saw 2 different ones today. One has Birth Ritual and GK>FOBD live and the other has Kyle Petty and Video version. There are two with Girl U Want and Fell on Black Days video version, but one of them has Motorcycle Loop on it. I've never seen the Birth Ritual one. But I have seen a My Wave single with Birth Ritual. Or was that Black Hole Sun? What do the two Black Hole Sun singles have on them? Are they worth buying? That was a dumb question...it's Soundgarden, of course it's worth it. Nothingman -I'm only faking when I get it right. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: SM and all that stuff GK>I think the Soundgarden Guitar Contest jpeg on Seth's website sums up GK>SG's stance on censorship. Check out the last line: "...If you live in GK>Pennsylvania, you might also want to write a letter to your state GK>representative expressing your views on the limiting of an artist's right GK>to self-expression. Have a good one." What artist isn't opposed to GK>censorship? What thinking person isn't opposed to cesorship? Did SG do something in Pennsylvania that they got fined or something for? I remember reading in an interview that Chris hates Pittsburgh. Maybe this is why. Nothingman -I think I'm posting a lot tonight...oh wait, I always post a lot. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 30] ***************************************