From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 8 Feb 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 19:10:04 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 8 Feb 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: truly ep goof update guitar Re:truly ep goof update I've been hearing nasty things about me... Re:things that irritate me. favourite ones.. (Fwd) Re: Soundgarden is awesome (Fwd) Yet More of That Trivial Trivia Re: only kinda about soundgarden... Am I the Only One? Re: truly ep goof update Re: Yet More of That Trivial Trivia Re: Yet More of That Trivial Trivia Re: Sap but in your heart... Re: only kinda about soundgarden... truly ep goof update guitar favourite ones.. (Fwd) Re: Soundgarden is awesome You! Re: HIV Baby Re: You! Re: Am I the Only One? The 'secret' directory - please read Re: Am I the Only One? SG in the news... Cold Bitch! palindrome anyone? Lollapalooza tickets Carolyn: Violent Femmes Re: palindrome anyone? Re: Am I the Only One? Re: guitar fork = gay? Re: CD/single prices READING BOOT, LOLLA INFO Re: Soundgarden is awesome palindrome anyone? Re: palindrome anyone? Re: Am I the Only One? fork = gay? Re: CD/single prices Re: HIV Baby Re: Soundgarden is awesome Superuninterview Re: CD/single prices Re: Soundgarden is awesome Re: palindrome anyone? Love you all. Re: only kinda about soundgarden... Re: You British folks... Travis Bickell hater magnet Jason Everman Thriller? Re: Jason Everman Re: Lolla. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Daniel D. Murphy" Subject: truly ep goof update SOMMS: i called sub pop today about the goofed up 'heart and lungs' ep i bought over the weekend, and spoke to someone at headquarters. boy, she was amused. i asked her if she knew of any of these messed up cd's and she didn't. (i trusted her judgement, for whatever reason i bet she'd know.) i told her how i played it and there was this RAP on it, and that, of course, rap sucks. so she said, 'yeah that's rough. not only was it the WRONG music, but it was SHITTY music!' because it was an import, there's not a lot they can do, and i didn't expect them to do anything, but i thought i would pass it on, as i think this must be the only goofed up one in the universe. i know this is no big deal, but i am still amused by it... dan ps is chris playing guitar on 'like suicide' (acoustic) or is it kim? ------------------------------ From: THAYL'S TILE MARKET <95021949@vax1.dcu.ie> Subject: guitar Hey, is there anybody else out there that has a Gulid S-100 (Did I get the model name right) ? The guitar Kim plays ? ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: Re:truly ep goof update > because it was an import, there's >not a lot they can do, and i didn't expect them to do anything, but i >thought i would pass it on, as i think this must be the only goofed up >one in the universe. i know this is no big deal, but i am still amused by >it... >dan .....................it might be valuable, unless it's a dodgy pirate.....I knew someone who had a cd that actually had no music on it......it was faulty as opposed to a pirate and it turned out it was worth stlg150 or something........so keep it! Beck - Kill Billie Joe!! Yeah!!........ ------------------------------ From: "Billie Joe" Subject: I've been hearing nasty things about me... What's this anti-Billie Joe stuff... I don't wanna hear that anymore... Quit it, or I'll get my homeboys back at Epitaph to sort you out... Billie Joe ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: Re:things that irritate me. RK>> - Let's kill Billy Joe!!! >We should start sending him death threats and mail bombs. I saw a cool >web site on the 6 o'clock news about how to make a mail bomb. maybe I >should find it... yeah......maybe he'll stop being such a lug then! > Nothingman > -And Steven Tyler can be the next to go! ..........yeah! Then Blur!! they're on my -Shit list. ------------------------------ From: "W.N. Foppen" Subject: favourite ones.. Ok.. Here come we favourite 3 songs of the moment (I have to agree with most people that giving your 3 best songs is almost inpossible...)... but well here they come : 3) mood for trouble.. 2) Limo Wreck.. 1) Jesus Christ Pose.. Someone was wondering why the she likes surprise was only on the Europe-version of Superunknown : I think it is because it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the album.. Like someone said before listing to superunknown with the shuffle or random-function of most CD-players doesn't sound right and, my opinion, She likes surprises doesn't really fit in with the rest too... Not that it is a crap song... It just doesn't fit in.. What the general opinion 'bout Alive in the Superunknown, the Cd-rom, cd+ thingy.. is it worth the money ?.. - Nothingman is not nothing, man... :-).. - ----------------------------------------------------- I'm not as think as you stoned i'm... - --------------------gejat... Walter....-------------- ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Re: Soundgarden is awesome > If you have ever heard new damage with brian may playing guitar you > know what > I am talking about. ............eh??? Have I missed something here? Did this happen? Beck -May you live all the days of your life ........................Jonathan Swift ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Yet More of That Trivial Trivia >Nevermind the Bollocks... ....Here's the Beck Pistols!!! Ahem.... >I read that same thing in Request magazine. I think Raw and Request >had the same interview. ......Sounds like it.......did he talk about Kurt as well? > So Chris went outside and pissed on a cardboard statue of >MJ. I think that's how the story went. ............hope it's true....would've been funny to watch I remember the Melody Maker article now as well Beck -Let's kill Michael Jackson too! ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: only kinda about soundgarden... The single was priced at something like $11.99 and the album was on sale for $0.50 less. It's only 50 cents, but I still think it's funny. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, He Who Walks Between wrote: > What were the prices of the POT USA album and the single? I think that > it's funny as hell that the single is more expensive. Unless, of course, - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Am I the Only One? I've been a soundgarden fan for many years now. I first started listening to them after my brother saw them play at a local club back in the late eighties. At the show he bought a vinyl copy of Ultramega OK and I quickly took to it and kept it as my own. I have been a devoted fan ever since. I waited patiently for each album to come out and was delighted with their contents up untill SUPERUNKNOWN. Am I the Only one that thinks this is a weak album? Badmotorfinger just blew me away, but I can't find anything on Superunknown that tops anything on Badmotorfinger. The only thing that comes close is Mailman. To me, two of the songs that could be called definitive Soundgarden songs are Searching With My Good Eye Closed and Hands All Over. Those songs are filled with swirling guitars and gut-wrenching vocals. Most of their material up untill Superunknown had a nice "rough" feel to it. Superunknown was too slick and polished. About the only material I liked post-badmotorfinger has been the b-sides. But, to be completely fair, I do like the demo version of Fell On Black Days. I can't believe that Black Hole Sun was released as a single. This song is such crap. Everytime I hear it I get visions of thousands of Mtv programmed teens waving their hands in the air. I think Superunknown was a direct effort to increase their popularity exponentialy. They had come off an incredibly successful tour for their best selling and most popular album yet and set out to capitalize on it. I don't know how much of it is the bands fault compared to the record company/management but I'm sure they both have blood on their hands. I know this rant is kind of disjointed but it was something I have wanted to say for a long time. To condense this whole post into one line, I'd have to say that I like the old style of music better. Kim, Chris, Ben, Matt. Don't let me down with this new album. I've been around for awhile and I'll suffer through poor material even for one great song. So drop trying to increase your popularity (i.e CD+ pieces of shit) and learn to rock again. BK ------------------------------ Subject: Re: truly ep goof update From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" > dan > ps is chris playing guitar on 'like suicide' (acoustic) or is it kim? It's definitely Chris's part that's played during the solo, and there's no other instrument being played at all, except at the start where the guitar plays the bass part over the intro.. So I assume it's Chris on his own Matt ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Yet More of That Trivial Trivia MA>> Ah yes, here we go, Trivial Trivia time ....... omigod I've MA>> forgotten it again...I'll have to make something up on the spot...ok, MA>> here's some REALLY trivial trivia....I read in Raw magazine (sob!) MA>> that Chris Cornell used to be a seafood cook....... MA>Yeah.. I read on the UNOFFICIAL SOUNDGARDEN WEB PAGE (tm) that Chris used to MA>work in a restaurant.. That's probably it. Well, I read that Kevin Martin (Candlebox) worked in a shoe store with Susan Silver. Nothingman -Now I'll bet she's hitting herself since she didn't take Candlebox. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Yet More of That Trivial Trivia S0>> Don't come over here and piss on my gate...but can I piss on your statue? S0>That's really funny :o) You're very creative :o) Why thank you. S0>Sorry to take up your mailbox space. That's ok, I don't have much of a mailbox. :) Besides, I like mail. Nothingman -In the Immortal words of James Brown, "HUH! GET DOWN!" ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Sap VM>>Scott VM>>Weiland does this also. When I first hear Big Empty off the Crow VM>>Soundrtrack, I couldn't even tell it was him until it got to the VM>>chorus. And how about that hidden track on Purple? I think Weiland VM>>might have tried a bit too hard on their first album to have this VM>>voice, but on their second, he uses many different vocal styles, and it VM>>works well. VM>Umm, maybe I just misunderstood what you said, but Weiland doesn't sing on VM>that hidden track. That's a street/folk musician, whose name i can't VM>remember. STP is a fan of that musician. I think it's Richard something. Then that would be why he doesn't sound the same, huh? I did not know that. Thanks. I just assumed it was him, because...well, I just did. Nothingman -Does it give him credit in the album? I'm lazy.... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: but in your heart... S3>> drumsets are far past too expensive. I have to tell a drummer this, S3>> though. That fill that Matt does in FOBD, right before everything S3>> starts up again (You know the part where everything else rests), S3>> right before Chris sings: Cuz i fell on... Anyway, that fill just S3>> majorly rules. It kicks my ear's ass. -j S3> one of my favourite matt rolls is the one he does on cold bitch, S3>the bside to both outshined and spoonman over here in australia. it is S3>just before the kim leaps into a huge, feedback-laden solo, which is S3>comparable to the one in mailman because chris keeps singing over it. S3>the roll itself is hard to describe, so you would have to listen to it S3>for yourself. that one kicks all my asses, and I listen to the song just S3>for that roll :) I was just sitting here listening to Cold Bitch, when what do I see? A post about it (I just read one a while back about it...that's why it's on) and since this one is about the drums, I started listening to the drums. They just majorly kick ass through the whole song. I usually hear the song as a whole, or I listen to Chris' voice, but WOW! The drums kick ass. Now Exit Stonehenge is on. At about 54 second into this (when he says, "exit Stonehenge..."), there is a REALLY cool sound coming out of the guitar. In fact, this whole song is just a bunch of cool guitar licks. I think it sounds like someone had an idea (Chris, since it says Chris/Soundgarden in the credits) and they just started fucking off with it and someone hit record. I'm sure he (I think Chris) says "Matt" at the end, maybe giving him suggestions about the song. maybe well see a song called Exit Stonehenge in a later album (maybe with more/better lyrics...but I think the ones it has are funny as hell!). Nothingman -But in your heart I'd freeze. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: only kinda about soundgarden... RF>_POTUSA_ album. The funny thing was that the single was priced HIGHER Hmmm...POT USA...I just might have to buy this album after all. Now I know where they get all their weird ideas. :) Nothingman -Gonna move to the contry. Gonna eat me a lot of peaches. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: truly ep goof update DA>ps is chris playing guitar on 'like suicide' (acoustic) or is it kim? Definately Chris. If he can play Seasons, I'm sure he can handle Like Suicide. has anyone ever tried to play Seasons? IT'S A BITCH!!! And it takes an hour just to tune the guitar right. Nothingman -Dreaming about playing Seasons has never made my bed. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: guitar 95>Hey, is there anybody else out there that has a Gulid S-100 (Did I get the 95>model name right) ? The guitar Kim plays ? Doesn't Kim play many guitars? I saw at least three in Motorvision alone. Nothingman -I wonder if Matt has a bazillion drum sets? ;) ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: favourite ones.. W.>Someone was wondering why the she likes surprise was only on the W.>Europe-version of Superunknown : I think it is because it doesn't really fit W.>in with the rest of the album.. Like someone said before listing to W.>superunknown with the shuffle or random-function of most CD-players doesn't W.>sound right and, my opinion, She likes surprises doesn't really fit in with W.>the rest too... Not that it is a crap song... It just doesn't fit in.. I was just thinking this the other day. I was trying to figure out if it was in the middle of the album (on the international one) or just stuck in at the end. Maybe it's a hidden track. Anyway, I don't think it fits too good either. W.>What the general opinion 'bout Alive in the Superunknown, the Cd-rom, cd+ W.>thingy.. is it worth the money ?.. I think it kicks ass. Freakin' awesome, and stuff. Just the videos alone are worth the money. And you even get PONG! Wow. What'll they think of next? W.> - Nothingman is not nothing, man... Sure I am. Where've you been? ;) W.>:-).. W.>----------------------------------------------------- W.>I'm not as think as you stoned i'm... W.>--------------------gejat... Walter....-------------- Are you making fun of me? Are you making fun of me? Am I repeating myself? It's like deja vu. Am I repeating myself? It's like deja vu. Nothingman -I woke the same as any other day, except a voice was in my head... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: (Fwd) Re: Soundgarden is awesome RK>> If you have ever heard new damage with brian may playing guitar you RK>> know what RK>> I am talking about. RK> RK>............eh??? Have I missed something here? Did this happen? It happened on Alternative NRG I think. I was gonna buy it just for that, but I don't like New Damage all that much anyway. Ok, now everyone's gonna start sending me, "WHAT!? YOU DON'T LIKE NEW DAMAGE?!!?" But I guess I'm allowed to have my own opinion. Nothingman -If I want your opinion, I'll give it to ya! ------------------------------ From: TRAVIS BICKELL Subject: You! anyone that is as bored as myself can do me a favor! Write a short biography and send it to me. I want to see if anyone out there has similar intrests (besides soundgarden). And, if you live anywhere near Minnesota, please discuss your Lollapalozer plans. Just trying to keep busy, Aaron ============================================================================= Known Aliases ============================================================================= Henry Krinkle, Mayor McCheese, Major Heally, LaMont Sanford, Your Dad . . . ------------------------------ From: Tonerkins@aol.com Subject: Re: HIV Baby You are not crazy. I have HIV Baby on tape and have even heard it on the radio. I dug up an old "alternative guitar" magazine that had an interview with Kim. Here's what he said about it." H.I.V. Baby" Sub Pop Single of the Month Club (Sub Pop 1990) "I wrote the middle and ending riff , but Chris wrote the lyrics and Ben came up with the title, which is based on me, because I don't like sharing people's silverware, drinking out of other people's bottles or sharing cigarette's. I'm pretty uptight about that. Ben, said to me,"Wow, Kim you're a total H.I.V. Baby!" - Toni ------------------------------ From: mailman Subject: Re: You! That's a good idea Aaron. I was thinking we should all 'introduce' ourselves to the list. We could send a biography and let everyone know who we are and where we are and in some cases what we are. There are so many on the list, but so many are silent. I will even start by sending a bio later today. Anyone else think this is a superidea? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, TRAVIS BICKELL wrote: > anyone that is as bored as myself can do me a favor! Write a > short biography and send it to me. I want to see if anyone out there > has similar intrests (besides soundgarden). And, if you live anywhere > near Minnesota, please discuss your Lollapalozer plans. > > Just trying to keep busy, > Aaron > > ============================================================================= > Known Aliases > ============================================================================= > Henry Krinkle, Mayor McCheese, Major Heally, LaMont Sanford, Your Dad . . . > > ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. York" Subject: Re: Am I the Only One? > that thinks this is a weak album? > The only thing that comes close is Mailman. _________________________________________________________________________ I wouldn't say weak, but I know exactly what you mean. I just don't get the same feeling from superunknown as i did from the others, (esp. BMF and LTL). When I listen to those, I'm thinking "god, this is the best music is the world! WOO HOO, blah blah". But superunknown is, like you said, more polished, more experimental, and on some songs, more commercial. Not that it's bad or even just average, but I just don't listen to it. I wouldn't come out and say that I don't like it, ( I love Mailman!!) but when I go to put in a cd, I just never feel like listening to it.> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I think Superunknown was a direct effort to increase their popularity > exponentialy. They had come off an incredibly successful tour for their > best selling and most popular album yet and set out to capitalize on it. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't think so. I don't think sg is like that. Otherwise they would have hit their peak right about the same time that all the other seattle bands did. I think its the opposite. Any band who keeps their music the same (even if it rules) over such a long time span as sg have been around is the real sellout. People change constantly, and get more mature, and their musical tastes change. I know I don't like the same music I did 6 or 7 years ago.I wouldn't expect sg to keep the sound they had back on Louder than Love (even though I wish they would) because they are probably completely different people. I think they do what they want, when they want and that's why it took them a little longer, but that's also why they are one of the VERY few bands out of that area that are really good. The stuff on superunknown is, (imho), exactly what they wanted to do. One difference is, I think, that there was a little more of a collective effort going into this one. I heard somewhere on an interview that each one of them just picked a few things for the album and there was not really any discussion between them about any of the choices. So they all probably don't love every thing on the album, but there is a little of each member. ************************************************************************* > have to say that I like the old style of music better. > ME TOO!! bye/jennifer "-stop the world and let me off" ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: The 'secret' directory - please read If you go to http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/list you will find pictures and bios of dedicated listmembers who found the time and a decent photo of themselves to send to Seth (via scanner or snail mail). Please DO NOT send bios to the entire list. With 370 or so members, our mailboxes will become unbearably cluttered and the information will be disorganized and/or easily misplaced. This is also the reason behind the "3-step List" I'm in charge of (Name, E-mail, Location). It will exist (keep 'em coming to ansel@morgan.com) solely for the purpose of determining what part of the world fellow listmembers live in so that interested parties can gather for concerts, etc. Then you can go to the detailed photo/bio gallery to find out more. OK? Vikki ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: Am I the Only One? A couple of months ago, someone posted a message about how they saw Kim at a local convenience store. The clerk was giving him a hard time about how SG was getting soft, and Kim replied with something along the lines of "You can't be 22 and drunk forever; you've got to move on." I think the same thing applies here. SG isn't going mainstream; they just wrote a couple of commercial songs ("BHS" and "FOBD") to draw more people into listening to their *definitive* material. I thought _Superunknown_ was a great album. I, for one, have never seen a video for "4th of July" on MTV. How about "Fresh Tendrils?" Don't you think this song represents the soul of SG? It's musical, it's diverse and it hits you like a ton of steel. I'll admit that I do like _BMF_ better, but I think _Superunknown_ was very legitimate effort. Maybe *I'm* the only one..... Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, B. Kinser wrote: > I think Superunknown was a direct effort to increase their popularity > exponentialy. They had come off an incredibly successful tour for their - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: SG in the news... From today's addicted to noise...you all know that ATN is the world's greatest source of music information? http://www.addict.com/ATN - ------------------------------------------------------ The Ministry tour that everyone said Al Jourgensen wouldn't live to see, will commence on March 16 and will run through May. We hear it's supposed to be a major blowout, but one can never tell, given the temperament and pH balance of the aforementioned Al J. As for hors d' oeuvres, Ministry had wanted Soundgarden to open up for them, but Lollapalooza has been pounding on Chris Cornell's door a little harder than Al and Paul, and it looks like they may have snared them for the summer fest. But no slouches, these Chi-town lads who have asked homeys, Jesus Lizard to open up for them on the coast-to-coast tour. As we speak Jesus Lizard is deciding whether they can do the entire tour or just a portion of it. A spokesmen for the Filth Pigs told ATN that "the ball's in their court, we just know we want them." As for the Lizards, they are on the brink of releasing their fifth album (but first major label release) called Shot on April 16. - -------------------------------- In other news: For all you trendy technophiles like myself...Netscape 2.0 is out of beta and the newest version of the world's greatest browser is available via FTP from the Netscape homepage: http://home.netscape.com Once you've gotten the newest version: Check out a slice of the newest technology "javascript" on my web page. It only works with the newest browsers (Netscape 2b4+ and some others)...I think it's pretty neat. - -- Steve - - swr@acsu.buffalo.edu - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr - - SG Web Alliance ------------------------------ From: "Kyle Petty, Son of Richard" Subject: Cold Bitch! Just a quick comment on Cold Bitch: I, personally don't think cold bitch is that hard to play. It's a simple 4/4 5/4 4/4 3/4 rythm. O.K. It sounds more coplicated written but the point is memorizing how the somg goes and just playing along to it. The TAB is already done in Seth's page by Mr. McKenzie(or something like that). Undeniably I'm still jealous at him for posting the TABs before me...(damn! I'm not the only one with good ears here!). The goos thing is that his chords for Kyle petty in the pre-chorus are wrong(hehehe, I can still flame him!) =-) J/K!! I'll just post the correct ones in my page! BWAHAHAHA I'm a creep!!! C-Y'ALL! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You god is dead, and no one cares, \|/ ______ \|/ ~@- / oO \ -@~ if there is a hell, I'll see you there" /__( \____/ )__\ Trent Reznor \___U__/ ------------------------------ From: "920460- JUSTINE J. EVANS" Subject: palindrome anyone? SatanoscillatemymetallicsonataS, is that what it stands for? [SOMMS] anyhooooo[i heard the evil annoying Jann Arden say that once and i just lost it, it's annoying as hell!] here's a new thought for the list: what was the first album that everyone on this list actually liked? i'll start, when i was 9, i fell in love with this tape of Janis Joplin's greatest hits[embarassing but i still love it!] the first one i bought was Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree the audio version read by Walt Disney or something. okay enough. Justine ------------------------------ From: "Tim Smith" Subject: Lollapalooza tickets Does anybody know when Lollapalooza tickets go on sale in Canada?? Tim Smith ------------------------------ From: Kate Mercier Subject: Carolyn: Violent Femmes Carolyn--- My roommate got that Saturday Cartoons CD and we've listened to it a few thousadn times. It's pretty good. the Violent Femmes song is very, well.. Violent Femmes-ey. It's from the Jetsons "EEp Opp ork ah-ah" and it's very catchy. One of the more catchy songs on the album, I think. It's fun... not meaningful, not transcendent... just fun. Check it out. Kate ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: palindrome anyone? My mom bought me a copy of Michael Jackson's _Thriller_ when it first came out. I think I was in 1st grade. Anyways, I had a little tape recorder and spent much of my day listening to "Beat It." Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, 920460- JUSTINE J. EVANS wrote: > list: what was the first album that everyone on this list actually > liked? i'll start, when i was 9, i fell in love with this tape of - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Re: Am I the Only One? > I think Superunknown was > a direct effort to increase their popularity > exponentially. I have to disagree. I don't believe Superunknown was, as you say, "a weak album". I think it's amazing, and I've been a fan since Louder Than Love. Arrangement wise, for example, I feel Superunknown is superior to Badmotorfinger (note that I don't feel that makes the songs any better, or any worse..). I also feel that lyrically, Superunknown is superior... great lyrics on Badmotorfinger, but I think Superunknown tops 'em. Besides, the music on Superunknown is not tailor-made, "we wanna be famous" music. It's not accessible... people, as a whole, still don't like the band that much. As for "Black Hole Sun"... despite the fact that this "MTV song" could have been the song to make "faithful" fans scream "sellout", have you noticed that "MTV teens" now hate that song because it was overplayed? Yet they still love everything else... Ah, well. I'm not going to change any minds, I suppose. Take care, Glenn ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Re: guitar > Doesn't Kim play many > guitars? Yep. But the Guild S-100 is his main axe. It's similar to a Gibson SG.... Glenn ------------------------------ From: Jordan Snodgrass/Flood Myth Subject: fork = gay? an earlier thread stated that chris wears a fork but is not gay. since when does a fork symbolize gayness? - -- js. jsnod@owl.csusm.edu http://www.csusm.edu/public/guests/fm/ "It all comes down to nothing." ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: CD/single prices >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Carolyn wrote: >> >> Oh, and if you just want a TASTE of the album, then buy the Lump single. >> Apart from Lump it has 3 other songs that aren't on the full album. AND one >> of them is named just for me................Carolyn's Bootie!! :-) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ross Filipek wrote: >Here's a representation of MTV's influence on us Americans. I was in a >record store the other day and saw both the "Lump" single and the whole >_POTUSA_ album. The funny thing was that the single was priced HIGHER >than the album itself. What do you guys say to that? Hmmmm. I find it incredible that the Lump single (did it have apart from Lump, Carolyn's Bootie on it as well as two other songs not on the album?) would cost more than the full album. Maybe the album was on discount?? And pardon my ignorance, but what does the pricing in one record store have to do with MTV? What does the average CD cost in America? In Australia it's $30 (or $23 US). And for singles/EPs average cost would be $9 (or $6.80 US). I'd be interested in some feedback from people on this list in ALL countries - - what is the average price of CDs and CD singles (convert to US $ for consistency, please)?? Carolyn the Memorable Fragrance ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm just sitting in my chair, wearing a smile....Violent Femmes Boiling heat, summer stench; 'neath the black the sky looks dead....SG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: READING BOOT, LOLLA INFO Ok, real quick i have to go soon: --Does anyone have any info on when Lollapolloza will be coming through the NJ, NY, PA, even Connecticut area? (or delaware) --How much is the READING boot leg? I want it so band and can't can't find it. Can someone give me an estimate? even better is there someone who can hook me up with it? Thanks a lot. Gregg "Don't come over here and piss on my gate. Save it, ___________ just keep it off my Wave" --My Wave, Soundgarden | | | Soul Sick | "Go avay or i vill taunt you a zecond time" anonymous |___________| French man. melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Re: Soundgarden is awesome Regarding the drums in SG, esp. in Jesus Christ Pose: If you sit down with the song and dissect it, then the drums come fairly easy...you have to have a good ear for it, i guess. The tricky part is in coming up with the stuff.....that's what Matt Cameron has an uncanny knack for. The drums in JCP aren't that hard, it's just that there's so much shit going on guitar and bass-wise that it's hard to tell where there are gaps...i figured it out. Gregg "Don't come over here and piss on my gate. Save it, ___________ just keep it off my Wave" --My Wave, Soundgarden | | | Soul Sick | "Go avay or i vill taunt you a zecond time" anonymous |___________| French man. melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: palindrome anyone? JE>list: what was the first album that everyone on this list actually JE>liked? Mine would have to be Licence to Ill, by the Beastie Boys. I bought it in '86 because i thought it looked cool. I don't remember anything before this, but I know I had some albums (not too many though). Nothingman -From Beastie Boys to Soundgarden...what'll they think of next? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: palindrome anyone? RF>My mom bought me a copy of Michael Jackson's _Thriller_ when it first RF>came out. I think I was in 1st grade. Anyways, I had a little tape RF>recorder and spent much of my day listening to "Beat It." Ok, I changed my mind. I had this album way before I had the Beastie Boys. I remember he says Funk somewhere, and I thought he said Fuck, so I sang it REALLY loud, and my mom washed my mouth out with soap. And before this, I thought that was just an expression. Now I know they really do it! Nothingman -And then there was Eat It and That Boy Can Dance, by Weird Al. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Am I the Only One? GS>> I think Superunknown was > a direct effort to increase their popularity GS>exponentially. GS>I have to disagree. I don't believe Superunknown was, as you say, "a weak GS>album". I think it's amazing, and I've been a fan since Louder Than Love. GS>Arrangement wise, for example, I feel Superunknown is superior to Badmotorfi GS>(note that I don't feel that makes the songs any better, or any worse..). I GS>also feel that lyrically, Superunknown is superior... great lyrics on GS>Badmotorfinger, but I think Superunknown tops 'em. I have to agree with Glenn on this one (the one that said Superunknown is amazing). There are some great lyrics on Badmotorfinger and some other albums, that are even better than the ones on Superunknown, but Superunknown's lyrics are consistantly great. Superunknown is ALWAYS in my top two albums. Sometimes it's #1, and sometimes it falls behind Louder than Love, Badmotorfinger, or Ultramega OK (do I see a theme developing with undecisive SG fans?). Nothingman -And I thought it was the end, I thought it was the Fourth of July. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: fork = gay? JS>an earlier thread stated that chris wears a fork but is not gay. JS>since when does a fork symbolize gayness? You musta missed the discussion about Chris being gay. Someone said, "He has a fork, he must be gay." Nothingman -But it really means the end of the world as we now it. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: CD/single prices CA>Ross Filipek wrote: CA>>Here's a representation of MTV's influence on us Americans. I was in a CA>>record store the other day and saw both the "Lump" single and the whole CA>>_POTUSA_ album. The funny thing was that the single was priced HIGHER CA>>than the album itself. What do you guys say to that? CA>Hmmmm. I find it incredible that the Lump single (did it have apart from CA>Lump, Carolyn's Bootie on it as well as two other songs not on the album?) CA>would cost more than the full album. Maybe the album was on discount?? And CA>pardon my ignorance, but what does the pricing in one record store have to CA>do with MTV? I think he meant that since people saw the video for Lump, that they'd go out and buy the single, so they wouldn't have to be bothered with the other stuff on the album, until, of course, it becomes cool and goes on MTV. ;) CA>What does the average CD cost in America? In Australia it's $30 (or $23 CA>US). And for singles/EPs average cost would be $9 (or $6.80 US). About $15 or $16 (US dollars here). A new release usually is on sale for $12 or $13. CD singles are $11.99 at my local store, but I think that has to do with avalibility. Nothingman -It's the end of the world as we know it, and Elvis is dead. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: HIV Baby TO>"Wow, Kim you're a total H.I.V. Baby!" If I knew Kim Thayil, I think I'd have a hard time calling him Kim...what with the facial hair and all. Nothingman -I mean, when he has a beard as a baby, you just don't name him Kim. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Soundgarden is awesome ME>The drums in JCP aren't that hard, it's just that there's so much shit ME>going on guitar and bass-wise that it's hard to tell where there are ME>gaps...i figured it out. Have you seen Motorvision? Matt is sweating his ass off playing JCP. And I don't think he rests for even a second. I could be wrong, though. But it doesn't change the fact that it kicks ass. Nothingman -Would it pay you more to walk on water than to wear your crown of thorns? ------------------------------ From: nma5382@acs.tamu.edu (Neil Atkinson) Subject: Superuninterview Today my girlfriend gave me a CD called Superuninterview. It is an interview with the band that was distributed to radio stations around the time that superunknown was was released. Have any of you seen or heard of this before? If you haven't I would be willing to somehow download it to the webpage. What is really strange with it is that they aren't sarcastic on this one, all of their answers are fairly serious. Neil "Holy O.J." Atkinson ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: CD/single prices - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Carolyn wrote: > would cost more than the full album. Maybe the album was on discount?? And > pardon my ignorance, but what does the pricing in one record store have to > do with MTV? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think you're right, Carolyn. The album price was indeed a sale price. I just thought the whole scenario was funny. I mean, why pay more for *just* the single than for the entire album? Unless, of course, "Carolyn's Bootie" is worth spending $12.00 (which it may very well be--I haven't heard it). As for MTV, I've managed to see the video for "Lump" *every* time I've flipped to MTV. "Lump" is the commercial sales pitch of the whole album; the "MTV-driven idiots" are going to be interested only in the single. Perhaps that's why the record store priced the single higher. People intent on buying only the single might neglect to compare prices, hence a profit for the store. NOW LOOK! In NO way am I trying to say that those who bought the single are "MTV-driven idiots." In fact, that's the LAST thing I want to say. My point is that singles in general are designed to sell a commercial song to those who want only the song itself, not the rest of the album. And we know that commercial + MTV = single, so what I'm saying is those people who only wanted "Lump" would be more inclined to buy the single than they would the entire album. And the reason for wanting *only* "Lump" is because of its ultra-heavy rotation on MTV. The presumption is that the single contains fewer tracks, so it must be priced less. Right? The record store is making a killing off those who buy the single *only* because it's commercial. --BUT-- I applaud those who own BOTH the album and the single. The material on the album is great, so I assume that "Carolyn's Bootie" must be great, too. I think I'll buy it soon. Let's make an analogy: buying *only* the "Lump" single and calling yourself a true POTUSA fan is just like buying only the "Black Hole Sun" single and calling yourself a true SG fan. Sorry to be so long-winded. What I'm trying to say is that MTV makes some people reach for the first single they see rather than checking out the album as well. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > What does the average CD cost in America? In Australia it's $30 (or $23 > US). And for singles/EPs average cost would be $9 (or $6.80 US). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'd say it's around $16.00 here. Wouldn't you say? Ross "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: Soundgarden is awesome You're right. I read that "JCP" came out of a straight jam. Matt was playing the drum part, and the other guys sort of figured out what they could play over it. Ross - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Cornell wrote: > The drums in JCP aren't that hard, it's just that there's so much shit > going on guitar and bass-wise that it's hard to tell where there are > gaps...i figured it out. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ Subject: Re: palindrome anyone? From: seth > here's a new thought for the > list: what was the first album that everyone on this list actually > liked? i'll start, when i was 9, i fell in love with this tape of > Janis Joplin's greatest hits[embarassing but i still love it!] the > first one i bought was Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree the audio > version read by Walt Disney or something. okay enough. Please people, if you're going to respond to this, append it onto the end of your next message that actually deals with Soundgarden instead of dedicating an entire message just to your first favorite...unless your first favorite was a Soundgarden album. seth (listadmin) ------------------------------ From: Tony Buonvino Subject: NM>Weiland does this also. When I first hear Big Empty off the Crow NM>Soundrtrack, I couldn't even tell it was him until it got to the NM>chorus. And how about that hidden track on Purple? =20 Actually, Nothingman, it's not Weiland.... I can't remember the guy's = name (sorry), but it's supposed to be some friend of the band's who's = really into Johnny Mathis. Anyways, keep up with unfalteringly voicing = your opinion... TBone "Nothing lasts forever..."-Living Colour ------------------------------ From: Michael Wayne Cornell <00204185@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: Love you all. Honestly, I never saw myself writing to the Digest--I usually just read it--but I had to let you guys know how cool most of you honestly sound. I decided to get drunk enough to get the courage to write this, and although it doesn't seem too SG related, I wouldn't have subscribed unless I loved 'em, 'eh? By the way, does anyone else f---in' love the CD+ like all hell?? - --KoRn ================================================================ "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy." --Ben Franklin ================================================================ ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: only kinda about soundgarden... I heard and saw some of that song the other day on Mtv but I had to turn it because I was starting to feel ill, it was too fucking stupid to listen to. Sorry. Jeez, I guess I got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Maybe it was waking up at 3am to see a little puppy looking up at me after he made some nice messes on my bedroom floor. Adios. Curt On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, blind dog wrote: > > > if anyone is ever feeling down in the future, I suggest turning > on the tv and waiting for the clip to peaches by the presidents of the > USA. the song is funny in itself, but when you see the clip, you will > crack up. I'll bet a million dollars that it puts a smile on your face. > littlejoe and I can't get enough of it :) > > this post also has a very tenuous link to soundgarden, but it is a > link nonetheless :) can someone tell me whether the president's album is > worth buying? I'd almost buy it, what with kim playing on it and all, > and I read that kim almost begged to play on the record, so there must be > some other cool stuff on it. so someone out there recommend it so I can > go out and spend my money. > > > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: Matthew Subject: Re: You British folks... On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Carolyn wrote: > At 04:00 PM 5/02/96 -0700, Kelly Christa Jones wrote: > >Now, I know that this list isn't just in the US, but sometimes I think > >that all of you in England speak a different language. > > Could you give all of us stupid Americans a slang list, or > >something?! Bloke, etc... > > Hey, don't you Americans say bloke? We in Australia do. Of course we'd get > a lot of our terminology from the British.............. > > Can't think of any other words we use at this stage. what about Fair Dinkkum, Aussie slang for "definitely" (or something like that) Carolyn taught me that one, she's so nice. However for all I know it could be an out-dated term likened to "groovy" or "tubular". Matthew. ------------------------------ From: JALLEN4115@VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU Subject: Travis Bickell Hey fellow Minnesota State University System student! I'm down here in Winona at Winona State and I was checking out the mail and I happened to see Moorhead and Minnesota on the screen. Cool. My best friend goes to C oops, Concordia up there and is the drummer for the jazz band and a percussion- ist for the orchestra. He's living with me in Winona this summer and we're gonna rock all summer. I play very Thayil-esque guitar. If you ever get over to the Cobber campus, look up Andy Kieley. He's got this long kinky, curly blond hair that he can make into a totally huge afro. He always wears this shirt that just says "Dick". Anyway, you wanted biographical stuff? I'm a junior in communication studies here at WSU and I play the shit out of my guitar everyday. I rollerblade and play hoop a lot. I also drink heavily whenever I can. I'm from a suburb of Minneapolis, Champlin, but I'm living in Winona until I'm done with school in a year or so. Gotta go now! Justin Allen "You've got nothing to say" ------------------------------ From: Vassilis Theoharis Subject: hater magnet Chris Mackenzie have mentioned that MacBain from Hater is a member of Monster Magnet. I don't think this is true. Can anyone comfirm? ------------------------------ From: Vassilis Theoharis Subject: Jason Everman SORRY again, for not being up-to-date. Nothingman, you talk for Jason Everman as if he is a sucker. In my opinion, he has played in one of the best psychedelic-grunge-metal albums, ever: dropped by mindfunk. Has anybody heard it? I believe, it is almost as good as badmotorfinger. ------------------------------ From: "920460- JUSTINE J. EVANS" Subject: Thriller? What? Thriller? huh? oh my. I now feel better about Janis Joplin's greatest hits, wow. [no offense, if you still like it, oh my] okay. wow. you are almost the same age as me then. i feel so young, everybody on the list is like 24 or something. okay, i will go, I'm assuming you were honest about that [who would lie? about Michael Jackson? no.] see ya! Justine ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Jason Everman From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" > > SORRY again, for not being up-to-date. > Nothingman, you talk for Jason Everman as if he is a sucker. In my opinion, he has > played in one of the best psychedelic-grunge-metal albums, ever: dropped by > mindfunk. Has anybody heard it? I believe, it is almost as good as badmotorfinger. > Just to clarify a point, did he only play in the band or did he actually write music or contribute in any way. If you mean that he was actually a part of the cr4eative process which produced a good album, then fine, too bad he sucked when he played with Soundgarden, but if he only played in another good band in his overlong career, then my response is "so what". I can't claim to know the guy, but my impression of him from accounts I have heard is not a particularly good one. Hope I made myself clear, Matt ------------------------------ From: Kelly Christa Jones Subject: Re: Lolla. Ok, I have a question that's been bugging me for a while now. Why is SG doing Lolla -again-?! It's weird because no other band has done Lolla twice. Anyone have any theories on this? ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 28] ***************************************