From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 5 Feb 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 01:43:30 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 5 Feb 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: top three Re: SG, FNM & GNR Re: Sap Re: Soundgarden is awesome Re: Sap Re: Unsolved Mysteries Re: paul westerburg Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 3 Feb 1995 Wille Nelson Tribute Article 3 favourites Top 3 SG Songs & Duct-tape truly's 'heart and lungs' ep goof-up! Re: truly's 'heart and lungs' ep goof-up! Re: Top 3 SG Songs & Duct-tape 3 favorite songs who stole my pick? on your breast I might lay my crowded head... summer tour there's just one thing left to be said... Re: summer tour Re: there's just one thing left to be said... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Benjamin Timberlake) Subject: top three Alright, fuggit. I'll post my three favorites of the moment. Even though it's silly and it won't have any bearing on anyone else's life and they'll change in the next day or so. 1. Hands All Over 2. Outshined 3. Mind Riot (perennial top three of the moment. All-time #1) Favorite SG-related: "Seasons" Oh, also, a bunch of my friends and I went to The Admirals Club (juice bar-type place) for one guy's birthday. They played "Outshined" for one of the dances. It was pretty cool. - Ben Benjamin Timberlake --------P O U R I N G Northwestern University --------D O W N btimlake@nwu.edu --------W I N D "You get your chance to try in the twinkling of an eye - eighty years with luck or even less." - Pink Floyd, 'Free Four' ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: Re: SG, FNM & GNR I also got into Soundgarden because of the tour they did with GNR. I saw it on Headbangers ball where they played the video to "Rusty Cage". I was totally astounded by it. /########\ | - - | | L | | \----/ | | | \__####__/ Grant A. Asher ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Sap NA>they all sound that way because right now it sells cds. Their accent may jus NA>"go away" when it becomes old! I don't think so. How many singers have youu heard that totally change their voice just because the times changed? Chris Cornell has many different vocal styles, and uses the best one to fit the song. Scott Weiland does this also. When I first hear Big Empty off the Crow Soundrtrack, I couldn't even tell it was him until it got to the chorus. And how about that hidden track on Purple? I think Weiland might have tried a bit too hard on their first album to have this voice, but on their second, he uses many different vocal styles, and it works well. And another...just look at the hair bands of the 80s. They changed their apperances because of the times, but not many of them changed the way they sing. The music might be different than it was in the 80s, but their singers still sound the same. What I'm trying to say is that just because the music might change, and a band's appearance might change, the way their singer sings doesn't change, because that is usually one of the most recognizable things in a band. I think I said this right in some round about way. Nothingman -He bag production, he got walrus gumboot...? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Soundgarden is awesome BI> they're like a good kind of BI>hard rock band, with the added abilities of harmonies and weird little BI>overtones and stuff that can't be recreated by anyione else. i have never BI>heard anyone that can do the songs in the same way. I know some people will hate this, but I think Pearl Jam is another band like this. Just listen to Black. Eddie Vedder puts so much emotion into this song, especially at the end when he cries, "Why? Why? Why can't it be mine?" And his grunts and moans are pretty emotional too. BI>maybe it's because BI>chris' voice is so integral to the sound, more like another instument BI>than someone's voice, and no one can even come close to the kind of power BI>that he produces in all ranges. A good example of this is on Temple of the Dog. Especially on Reach Down. That part right after the huge guitar solo, where it's just 4 Chris singing. he sand three parts of the harmony, and then wailed over top of himself. I let a piano player that I know hear, and she said she liked the harmony part, but she didn't like it when he screamed over top. I tried to explain to her that it's just like a jazz band. When the band lays down the harmony, and then the one big trumpet guy gets up and just lays into the music and wails so high it almost hurts, but it sounds so good you just can't help but listen. BI>the drums are, i think, the other part of BI>the experience that makes them truly unique. the guitar can at least be BI>copied, and some of the bass isn't even all that tough, but the drums are BI>wild, esp. on songs like spoonman. The drums are a big part of Soundgarden. If they had a drummer who kinda just sat back there and tapped on the drums, they wouldn't sound the same. They still wouldn't be bad, but it just wouldn't be the same. And some of the guitar parts are kinda hard to reproduce, like the beginning of Loud Love, where Kim plays the feedback. I don't have a clue how he does this, but I'm kinda unexperienced with the guitar, so maybe that's just it. And how about those drums on Jesus Christ Pose? BI>of course, the third part is the fact BI>that the guys are themselves totally cool, and that affects the way you BI>listen to them. i'm done And Chris wears a fork. Damn, he's smooth. Nothingman -Don't you, don't you wanna thrill me? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Sap TO>Yeah, that's exactly what i mean. But, you know Weiland, Rossdale, and TO>Daniel Johns are all imitating real Seattle vocalists anyway. Notice TO>that the guy from Candlebox doesn't have a Seattle accent. Yeah, he does have one, but it goes away when he sings high. Rossdale's is so heavy, I think he just has a raspy voice, and Weiland uses many different styles on Purple. I don't know about that Johns fellow though. TO>Neither does that guy from Queensryche.... He's got a really clean voice. Reminds me of Zackary Stevens of Savatage. TO>or the woman from Heart..... I dunno, but Courtney Love sure does have one. TO>but what about Jimi? Well, if he could have sung, he would have had a TO>Seattle accent. Too bad he couldn't sing. Luckily, he didn't have to TO>because he kicked so much major ass on guitar. But he still sucked as a singer. Nothingman -How about Axl Rose? He has one. ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: Re: Unsolved Mysteries Why did they mention the Seattle scene on Unsolved Mysteries? I can just imagine Robert Stack saying something like "local bands, such as Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains. It must have been so strange. /########\ | - - | | L | | \----/ | | | \__####__/ Grant A. Asher ------------------------------ From: MAYOR McCHEESE Subject: Re: paul westerburg On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 JALLEN4115@VAX2.Winona.MSUS.EDU wrote: > Where I'm from (Minneapolis), Paul is a legend. The Replacements > pretty much set the standard for sloppy garage rock/pop. Yeah, they kinda > suck in some ways, but it's the feeling they're bringin and at the time they > absolutely kicked ass. The former lead guitarist for the Replacements just > died of a heroin overdose last year, Bob Stinson. Husker Du, Soul Asylum, and > Replacements all ruled the Mini Apple. > > Justin > Oh wait, where's my quote? "How many Patches pals do I have out there?" > And then Warner Bros. built the temple to "Prince", the king of the mini apple, right in the middle of Channhassen. It's funny how it's called "Paisley Park" when in all reality it is white with purple lights. >>>btw, let's all forget Morris Day while we can. Soundgarden rules!!!! ------------------------------ From: Phil Midden Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 3 Feb 1995 Soundgarden is doing Lollapalooza? What's up world? I hope they play outshined ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Wille Nelson Tribute There is a little blurb about the Willie Nelson Tribute at Guitar World On-line. There is a cool cartoon drawing with Kim Thayil in a Willie Nelson bandana. Here's the address: http://www.guitarworld.com/feb96/musicnews/tuneups/tuneup4/tu.page4.html ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Article How That Crap Gets on the Radio or The 3 Minute Mile There's a pretty good chance that while station-surfing in your car you periodically ask yourself, "How does this crap get on the radio?" Now that we're full-time musicians living off Kraft Dinner, we ask that question all the time, since we're desperately trying to get our crap on the radio. Most of the bands on the radio get signed to record labels by A&R ("Artists & Repertoire") reps. In theory, if you could guess what was going on in their heads, you would know who was going to get to make those big, expensive records on the shelves of your local music store. Music West, last month's music industry schmooze-fest in Vancouver, was as good a place as any to watch A&R reps in action. During the 30 or so "demo critique" sessions, aspiring artists submitted their finest work to the instant criticism of these umpires of rock 'n' roll. Our band, The Flu, felt that taking our songs to be judged by two or three A&R reps in one of these sessions, in the hopes of being magically "discovered," would be demeaning. So instead we went to seven. 70 songs later, we had seen a lot of dedicated artists get shot down. Most of the songs sounded a lot like stuff that's been on the radio and sold records. So what happened between the time the A&R reps pressed PLAY and when they hit STOP? Well, we can't read minds, but we do take notes. After watching almost thirty different A&R reps do their thing, we came up with The Flu's Four Rules for Demo Tapes: 1. The 37-Second Rule. A&R reps have viciously short attention spans - probably shorter than the 16-year-olds they're trying to market to. The sheer volume of demo tapes they listen to (most claim 800 or so a week) takes its toll: if a song doesn't get to a catchy chorus within 30 to 45 seconds, it's probably lost them. (Call them alternative all you want, but Nirvana got to their choruses faster than Neil Sedaka ever could.) 2. Don't write for 16-year-olds. Write for 5-year-olds. A&R reps hate song titles that aren't blatantly obvious (i.e. "Love Me Do," not "Paul's Symphony #3"). Arrangements should be dead simple. Your hooks should be repetitive and hit people over the head like a brick: if you don't sound like Beavis and Butt-Head when humming your song, something's wrong. (One of our simplest songs was criticized for having more than one memorable hook.) Vocals should be loud; A&R reps always complain about not being able to hear lyrics. 3. If your friends think you sound just as good as Aerosmith, burn the tape. The record labels already have Aerosmith. Musicians tend to spend a lot of effort and money trying to sound like music that's popular today, while the A&R reps are pulling their hair out trying to figure out what will be popular tomorrow. In the demo critique sessions, the stuff that sounded the least traditional (but had catchy hooks) got the best response. 4. They don't have to like it. They just have to get it. The Beatles were turned down by almost every major record label, but they only had to sign one recording contract. Bands who are popular now, like Moist, were passed up by a lot of companies last year. The right A&R rep doesn't even have to like what you do; they just have to believe that the music is going somewhere important. So how did our band fare? One of our best songs (called "Mud") died because it took too long to reach the chorus. Our most popular live song, "Goodbye Cruel World," missed the boat because it wasn't catchy enough. We decided to take "Disappear," the song we thought was our best shot, to three different sessions. Two groups said they liked it and moved on, but another connected to it immediately, said they thought it might be a hit, and came out to our show. (We're still eating Kraft Dinner.) Contrary to our expectations, the record company A&R reps honestly seemed to be looking for something new and interesting. They aren't the ruthless enforcers of Top 40 mediocrity. They just have short attention spans. So if a lot of great music still won't reach radio, it seems that musicians and music listeners will have to follow a more independent path. :=:=> Derek K. Miller dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca Article originally appeared in "National Chart" magazine's October 94 issue. - -- Steve - - swr@acsu.buffalo.edu - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr - - SG Web Alliance ------------------------------ From: Vassilis Theoharis Subject: 3 favourites For this specific moment: 1) room a thousand years wide 2) uncovered 3) hunted down ------------------------------ From: Javdoctor@aol.com Subject: Top 3 SG Songs & Duct-tape I'd have to say my top 3 SG songs are: 1) Outshined - the first time I ever heard SG, they were opening for Neil Young and when I walked in they were starting up Outshined. I was totally blown away... 2) Birth Ritual - just a totally amazing song. 3) Fresh Tendrils - I play the drums, and the first time I heard this song, I thought it was a perfect drummers' song, then I looked at the credits and saw Matt wrote the music. Another wondrous quality of duct-tape is that it's edible. (According to one of my college roomates) Javdoctor ------------------------------ From: "Daniel D. Murphy" Subject: truly's 'heart and lungs' ep goof-up! does anyone out there know if sub pop knows of a goof in the pressing of the heart and lungs ep? i bought it yesterday at record finder for $3, thinking, 'wow, what a steal!' and when i got home to play it i immediately noticed that the cd player showed that there were 12 tracks on it, while the disc and the crystal case both display only 4. so i hit play thinking maybe there'd be hidden tracks or something. but what came out of the speakers was NOT truly, but some shitty rap music! someone goofed in the pressing, for sure! but does anyone else know about this, or has the same problem? i am going to call sub pop this week and see what's going on if no one out there on the list knows about this... hey, anyone want a sub pop rap disc? :) dan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: truly's 'heart and lungs' ep goof-up! From: seth > does anyone out there know if sub pop knows of a goof in the pressing of > the heart and lungs ep? i bought it yesterday at record finder for $3, > thinking, 'wow, what a steal!' and when i got home to play it i > immediately noticed that the cd player showed that there were 12 tracks > on it, while the disc and the crystal case both display only 4. so i hit > play thinking maybe there'd be hidden tracks or something. but what came > out of the speakers was NOT truly, but some shitty rap music! someone > goofed in the pressing, for sure! but does anyone else know about this, > or has the same problem? i am going to call sub pop this week and see > what's going on if no one out there on the list knows about this... > hey, anyone want a sub pop rap disc? :) Believe it or not, I picked up the same EP for $2.99 yesterday also, but mine has Truly on it... seth ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: Top 3 SG Songs & Duct-tape Hold up, if duct tape's edible? I thought it was nonbiodegradable, hence it lasts forever. But if it's nonbiodegradable, and someone eats it....eww. -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: buddha@dmv.com Subject: 3 favorite songs For the time being my 3 favorite SG songs are: 1)room a thousand years wide 2)fresh trendils 3)Jesus Christ pose 4)GUN 5)Loud Love Yeah, I know, I said 3 favorite songs but I just couldn't stop!!!!!!!!! Buddha ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: who stole my pick? On 31 Jan 1996 rc@gcc.cc.md.us wrote: > S3> in addition to matt's drumming and ben's quirky song writing (no > S3>half-type songs here thank god!), you get to hear matt sing lead vocals > S3>on an entire song :) > > Which song is this? I was listening, but I missed it. I guess it's > because I've never heard him sing before, so i didn't know what to > listen for. matt does all the lead vocals on the last track 'sad mcbain'. it is probably one of the best three songs on the record. I was anxious to hear what kind of lyrics matt could write for a whole song, and I'm not sure whether to be impressed or not. in any case, the lyrics are pretty funny. one interesting thing (at least for me it was) to listen for is the drumming on sad mcbain. I originally thought it was matt on drums, but it is actually his friend greg keplinger pounding the skins. and he does a fair imitation of matt to boot :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: on your breast I might lay my crowded head... On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Geoff Kleemola wrote: > first started to listening to SG, I swore that Chris didn't own any > shirts. Everywhere I aw him, he was topless: LTL cover, LTLive video, > videos for Loud Love, Hands All Over. It wasn't until the JCP video came > out until I saw him with a shirt, but even there it is open at the front, > and it's only during the opening of the video. Then both Outshined > videos Did anyone else notice this? maybe it gets really hot whenever the band goes to photo shoots, film sessions and plays live gigs? but then again, you never see the rest of the band disrobing at the alarming rate that chris does :) or maybe he is doing a send up of all those hair farmer bands, and trying to beat them at their own game while simultaneously performing a subtle parody of la rock? or maybe he suffers from a chronic case of hyppocritism, where he chides bands for being buttrockers, while at the same time acting like one of them? so by the time badmotorfinger was being written, he finally wised up and wrote jesus christ pose as a sort of musical penance, so as to purge all that bare-chest stuff from his system? (shaving his head may have been the second phase to this 2 step self-help program) or maybe he just wanted all those hours in the gym to show off? let's just hope that he never picks up a thighmaster :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: summer tour Hey list: with news of SG playing lollapalloza this year, I've been thinking about which shows I'm going to see. Due to work and stuff, I'll only be able to see them twice. Unless someone hires me where my work could be done on a notebook computer :-) Hey maybe I could be a roadie...wouldnt that be incredible! Anyone know how I could become a lollapalooza roadie? lolla has never hit the buffalo area...so my options are: Cleveland: I'm there. I L*O*V*E the Flats! And I'm dying to take in a game at jacobs field and visit the rnr hall of fame. Question: What venue would they be playing in? If it's the place they played last time (in the flats)...I know of a couple cheap hotel rooms withen walking distance of the train. I'll be at one of the next two: Toronto: great place to see any concert. The Holiday Inn in Barrie is the best place to stay...You can walk to the show from the hotel. If you go there make sure you get a room in either the tower or a second floor room with a balcony...comes in handy after the show. FYI: The drinking age in canada is 19. There are two ways into the venue. Even though your tempted to enter through the Molson drive through beer store entrance...take the back way...If you're going to this show...I can give you directions to the beer store in downtown Barrie... Pittsburgh: The show would probably be at the Star Lake Amphitheater. Anyone know of any good lodgings here? Places to visit...see...do etc. I know the pittsburgh area pretty well...but Star Lake is West of the City...I've never seen a show there... steve - - duct tape is like the force: It has a light side, a dark side.. and it binds the universe together. ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: there's just one thing left to be said... On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Benjamin Timberlake wrote: > I've just got to reiterate my love for this song. This is the best > angry/depressed song that exists. My favorite part (this is another > Chris-voice thing again, BTW) is the second time he sings "pouring down > wind." I also like the lyrics "candle was burnin' yesterday/like > somebody's best friend died." is it plausible that the above lyric (like somebody's best friend died) is about andy wood? I would have thought that chris had written just about everything he could have wanted to or needed for wood on the temple of the dog record. but now that I look at ben's post, maybe chris is still dealing with andy wood's death on mind riot. any ideas? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Kelly Christa Jones Subject: Re: summer tour Here's the scoop on Cleveland and Lolla. It will NEVER be in the Flats. It was at Blossom Music Center in 91, 92, and 95. In the years in between, it was down in Columbus. The "place" they played last time was Nautica. And it only fits about 5000 people. So you'll be lucky if they even play at Blossom ( which is in Cuyahoga Falls). Kelly (and you will have to be VERY lucky to take in a game at Jacob's Field. All of the games are sold out already.) > > Cleveland: > > I'm there. I L*O*V*E the Flats! And I'm dying to take in a game at > jacobs field and visit the rnr hall of fame. > > Question: What venue would they be playing in? If it's the place they > played last time (in the flats)...I know of a couple cheap hotel rooms > withen walking distance of the train. > > I'll be at one of the next two: > > Toronto: > > great place to see any concert. The Holiday Inn in Barrie is the best > place to stay...You can walk to the show from the hotel. If you go there > make sure you get a room in either the tower or a second floor room with > a balcony...comes in handy after the show. FYI: The drinking age in > canada is 19. There are two ways into the venue. Even though your > tempted to enter through the Molson drive through beer store > entrance...take the back way...If you're going to this show...I can give > you directions to the beer store in downtown Barrie... > > Pittsburgh: > > The show would probably be at the Star Lake Amphitheater. Anyone know of > any good lodgings here? Places to visit...see...do etc. I know the > pittsburgh area pretty well...but Star Lake is West of the City...I've > never seen a show there... > > > steve > > - duct tape is like the force: > It has a light side, a dark side.. > and it binds the universe together. > ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: there's just one thing left to be said... I think you've got something there, Blind Dog. I mean, look at _Temple of the Dog_. You've got the likes of "Say Hello 2 Heaven" and "Times of Trouble." Gosh.....I wonder if someone has died. Then on _BMF_ you've got "Mind Riot" and others. What about: "Looking for a pedestal that I can put you on and be on my way." Perhaps he's placing the memory of a sadly departed friend somewhere where all can see. Ya think? And that kind of makes me wonder who the "she" is in "Somewhere." Any thoughts? Ross On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, blind dog wrote: > On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Benjamin Timberlake wrote: > > > I've just got to reiterate my love for this song. This is the best > > angry/depressed song that exists. My favorite part (this is another > > Chris-voice thing again, BTW) is the second time he sings "pouring down > > wind." I also like the lyrics "candle was burnin' yesterday/like > > somebody's best friend died." > > is it plausible that the above lyric (like somebody's best friend died) > is about andy wood? I would have thought that chris had written just > about everything he could have wanted to or needed for wood on the temple > of the dog record. but now that I look at ben's post, maybe chris is > still dealing with andy wood's death on mind riot. any ideas? > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > > "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. 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