From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 20 Jan 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:44:44 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 20 Jan 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: berryBomb and PJ lyrics SG Boots? Re: hello all! RE: RE: PJ berryBomb new Rolling Stone article Re: Soundgarden and it's influence on MY life. (Ahem) Re: SG Lottery? raining somms on your steel shore... those thieving pearl jammers Seth Perlman aka ? Re: Seth Perlman aka ? Re: raining somms on your steel shore... LAUGHINGBOYS SHIT Re: Seth Perlman aka ? Re: glenn & grote vs. the world... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 11 Jan 1995 Re: Faith No More and Mr. Bungle those thieving pearl jammers Re: y aren't I getting any mail? a favor to all my fellow poor friends Re: hello all! !!!! req:lyricsTO "seasons"any1? Re: new Rolling Stone article Re: Seth Perlman aka ? Re: t-shirts ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: berryBomb and PJ ME>OK, end of lecture for today, lest you mistake me for Nothingman! ME>All comments welcome! What? Is that an insult? Gee...I think so. That's ok, I don't mind...sometimes. :) Nothingman -If this doesn't make you feel, doesn't mean you've died. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: lyrics JE>Also, [ this is very embarassing] I must warn you that Superunknown JE>was the album that took me the longest time to buy so I went for a JE>long time relying only on the radio to provide me with Black Hole Sun JE>and Spoonman for like forever. . . and I thought BHS was Black 'Ole JE>Sun. . . and yes, I feel acceptable stupid[as usual] On Like Suicide, it sounds like he's saying, "She lived like a mother, but she died just like suicide." And in Let Me Drown, when he says she's resolved to, I couldn't figure out what he was singing (I was too lazy to look in the little book-thing) so I just sang, "Cheese is good too." It works. Nothingman -Cheese is good. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: SG Boots? RF>What's your favorite SG bootleg? The only one I've heard is "Crown of RF>Thorns." I want to buy another one. Any recommendations and locations? Is this Crown of Thorns just the title, or is there a song called Crown of Thorns? If so, is it the same one that Mother Love Bone did? Nothingman -You ever heard the story of Mr. Faded Glory? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: hello all! LO>ones would be good). For example, when soundgarden first started off chris LO>was the man behind the skins (drums), and he was also the vocalist (your LO>voice is considered an instrument of music). another example would be dave LO>grohl (from the foo fighters), he's played the drums, bass, guitar, and sing LO>(not at the same time of course). I play the trumpet and about every other brass instrument, and I can play the guitar and bass. My singing isn't all that bad, either. That would be cool to have a rock band with trumpets and brass. Nothingman -Kinda They Might Be Giants mixed with Soundgarden. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: RE: RE: PJ berryBomb ME>Used to be, Alternative seemed to mean anything out of the mainstream. ME>You know, the punks, the grungies, the bands that would never be played ME>on Top 40 radio, that only the fringe of the population knew about. So ME>I'd have to say it's an alternative to the mind-numbing, boring, ME>repetitive mainstream stuff alot of us may have grown up on! Why ME>wouldn't a band want to be called alternative? How else do you ME>describe some of the music we on this list like? I used to look in the alernative section (it wasn't very big) and find bands like The Dead Milkmen and the Dead Kennedys and Suicidal Tendancies and stuff like that. Now when I look, I see Hootie and Soundgarden and Stone Temple Pilots. The Dead Milkmen and others are still there, but the section just grew so people who want to be cool and label themselves as "alternative" listeners would see all this other stuff. It just doesn't make sense. When I go to a music store, I look in ALL the sections (that is, except country and gospel...yes, I even look at jazz and classical sometimes). ME>Let's trhow this one out to the list--Folks, if you had to label ME>Sgarden's music, what would you call it? Louder than Love and Badmotorfinger can pretty much be labeled hard rock or heavy metal, because they are pretty heavy. I don't know where they would put the other albums though. Maybe they need a Soundgarden section. :) ME>I cringe to think someone is going to stick them w/ the label heavy ME>metal. How does anyone get into the hard core HM stuff, I've never ME>figured that one out. Sg is simply too...something...to be a metal ME>band. Clean, just off of center, stuff like that. Yeah, but there are many kinds of heavy metal. If I look at my local store, I see Savatage in the heavy metal section, and they aren't even close to that death metal shit. But yet they are in the same section. I've seen Soundgarden in this section at some stores, but (in these same stores) Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots and the such are still in the alternative section. It just has to do with what store you're in and who classifies it. I know there shouldn't be classifications in music, but if there weren't, it would be a bitch finding your favorite music. ME>Good discussion here! Let's keep it going! Let's talk about the effect of cheese on the atmosphere now! :) Nothingman -I'd love to make you mine to break your fresh deadly roses. ------------------------------ Subject: new Rolling Stone article From: seth Did someone request the new Rolling Stone article? http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/articles/rs_2-8-96.html seth ------------------------------ From: ward brandon t Subject: Re: Soundgarden and it's influence on MY life. (Ahem) new album? Is this true? When is it due out? If someone would please reply to this post, I would appreciate it... On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Cornell wrote: > > Okay first of all--does anyone know where i can get the SG album with > their cover of "Come Together" on it? My brother has heard it on 104.3 > (We live in NJ) a couple times and told that it is pretty good. I'm > also interested in getting songs not found on the albums or Screaming > Life or Fopp, but "Come Together" has been nagging at me for a year and a > half now. > > Whoever wrote about how good Matt Cameron is--No Sh*t, man. You should > see me whiling away the hours playing the same track over and over, > trying to play it. Then you should see me at my set going nuts cause i > can't do it. ARGGH. Am i the only drummer that worries himself about his > fills being too reptitive? My drumming is the only thing that i'm really > anal about, in terms of getting it right. > > When i heard the new album was coming this summer, my reaction was: > F*CK YEAHH!!!! > > Also, i'm in the middle of compiling a tape of tracks not readily > found...so far i have: LIVE TRACKS: Blind Dogs > Kyle Petty Son of Richard > No Attention Fell on Black Days (demo) > My Wave > > Non-Album TRACKS: Birth Ritual (demo), Into the Void, Girl U Want, Stray > CAt Blues, She's A politician, Seasons, Fell on Black Days (video > Version), She like Surprises, Like suicide (acoustic) > Oh yeah, one more live track: Slaves & Bulldozers > > Umm...I'm probably gonna get more stuff off of imports, but if anyone has > stuff from the Sub-Pop days, i'm interested in tapes of 'em. > Laters all > Gregg > > _______________________________________________________________________ > | | > | "My stomach's swimmin in alcohol, I must've burned a bottle full. | > | You ain't got a chance in hell tonight!" Kyle Petty, Son of Richard | > | Soundgarden | > |_____ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net_______________________________________| > > ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: SG Lottery? On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, seth wrote: > > I've got an idea. Let's all try to guess the title of the new album. We > > could each send $1.00 to Seth and whoever is correct wins all the money. > > If no one is correct, I'll just keep the money. What do you think? > > I think everyone should send $1.00 to Seth. Whoever is correct gets a > big wet kiss, and Seth keeps the money. sounds like a pretty horsey lottery to me. the grand prize probably isn't worth a dollar (unless we have been getting some new list members who haven't introduced themselves yet? come on elle, post something), and it also seems rigged to the gunnels. but if I send my dollar, seth will only get 70 something cents for his trouble, so maybe I should send it over :) make him walk out in the snow and earn his keep as list admin. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: raining somms on your steel shore... On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 ar303921@student.uq.edu.au wrote: > long :) Jan edition with SP on the cover. Plus if you are in Brissy and want > to hear a copy of Somms....the Red Hill cd rental place has a copy for rent, > if you don't have it and want to hear it it's worth it :) Just glad I > stumbled across my own copy :) that's three of us in brisbane who have somms! I wonder how many more of us are there? how many list members own the bmf/somms cd? maybe we own a goodly portion of the 100000? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: those thieving pearl jammers They can talk about their musical integrity till the cows come home, but anyone who has listened to the 'Hater' CD knows that Pearl Jam stole 'Spin the Black Circle' from Ben, Matt and the boys. Before its inglorious demise at the hands of Eddie and the Wailers it was called 'Down Undershoe' track 6 and the Hater CD. Take a listen, it's uncanny. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: Seth Perlman aka ? On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, The Back Door Man wrote: > I've got an idea. Let's all try to guess the title of the new album. We > could each send $1.00 to Seth and whoever is correct wins all the money. > If no one is correct, I'll just keep the money. What do you think? If we send our money to Seth we'll never see it again. He's just using this mailing list as a front, he really sells bodgie financial advice to pensioners and runs off with their life savings. Blind dog and I ordered our CD+s through him and they still haven't arrived :). We'll catch up with you Seth, you can't hide behind those five Aol mailing addresses forever. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Seth Perlman aka ? From: seth > If we send our money to Seth we'll never see it again. He's just using > this mailing list as a front, he really sells bodgie financial advice to > pensioners and runs off with their life savings. Blind dog and I ordered > our CD+s through him and they still haven't arrived :). We'll catch up > with you Seth, you can't hide behind those five Aol mailing addresses > forever. Shit, I would have gotten away with it were it not for you pesky kids. old man saperl ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Re: raining somms on your steel shore... Hey I was real lucky to get SOMMS, and i didn't even know it. I bought the album awhile after it was released (actually my brother did, but i have the CDs now), and i figured it was just thrown in there to sell more albums. Oh happy day. Gregg drummer, Soul Sick _______________________________________________________________________ | | | "My stomach's swimmin in alcohol, I must've burned a bottle full. | | You ain't got a chance in hell tonight!" Kyle Petty, Son of Richard | | Soundgarden | |_____ melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net_______________________________________| On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, blind dog wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 ar303921@student.uq.edu.au wrote: > > > long :) Jan edition with SP on the cover. Plus if you are in Brissy and want > > to hear a copy of Somms....the Red Hill cd rental place has a copy for rent, > > if you don't have it and want to hear it it's worth it :) Just glad I > > stumbled across my own copy :) > > that's three of us in brisbane who have somms! I wonder how many > more of us are there? > > how many list members own the bmf/somms cd? maybe we own a > goodly portion of the 100000? > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > ------------------------------ From: jajfairs@iaccess.com.au Subject: LAUGHINGBOYS SHIT > I was just mulling it over and realized...... i don't know what >"mulling" means where LaughingBoy comes from, but here in australia it >means meticulously cutting and chopping your sticky, juicy aromatic buds >of skunk untill the size and consistency is just so. the drug smoking >pot head (reefer madness?) Eddie Vedder and the rest of Peral Jam are gods >in my book, & I specifically choose to listen to their music on a long >green afternoon because something in the back of my head says," Eeewwwww." >It says "Goddamn, the top of my heads flown away above that picturesque >copse of wattle trees & i reckon she's never coming back!" IF Chris >Cornell were a stupid (although his lyrics & music seem to indicate >intelligence) womanizer who's ADDICTED TO MINDLESS DEGRADING SEX, or for >that matter a foot-fetishist bisexual leper with twelve nipples grafted >onto his tongue then that would never interfere with my enjoyment of >Soundgardens music. (No way!) Whatever Chris Cornell does in the sack is >nobody's business but his own. It doesn't change who he is as a musician. >If you can lose all respect for somebody's music just because they choose >a lifestyle that doesn't suit you personally, well i'm sorry, but that >does seem stupid to me... If you're going to start censoring your own cd >collection on the basis of rumours, eventually your going to have no one >left! Thanks for a good laugh, LaughingBoy. Keep it off my wave. kisses. Fiona Fiorbas Krinkle. ------------------------------ From: cs95ajs@brunel.ac.uk >Also, does the SG CD+ have a U.K. release date ? Sure does, I saw it in tower records yesterday priced 25.99. They also had Louder Than Love, Ultramega OK, BMF, SuperUnknown and a limited edition Superunknown and BMF box set (more sg stuff than I've seen in my life!). Hope this helps my fellow sg starved fans in the UK Andy Sharp ------------------------------ From: Tony Dawe Subject: Re: Seth Perlman aka ? On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, LITTLE JOE wrote: > > Seth, you can't hide behind those five Aol mailing addresses > forever. > is this a loke, or does seth really have *5* aol accounts? \|/ \\// \|/ \|/ \\// \|/ \|/ \\// \|/ \\ (0o) // \\ (o0) // \\ (0o) // ***************************************************************************** Tony Dawe gbf2033@infonet.st-johns.nf.ca smashingpumpkinsgarbagesoundgardensilverchairholeliveourladypeacepearljam moistageofelectricmatthewsweetjimihendrixmarilynmansonradioheadtragicalyhip stonerosesweezertripingdasiesevercleartheoffspringfoofightersteaparty THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE ***********************************TM***************************************** ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: glenn & grote vs. the world... TO>My problem with this is i have a real problem changing TO>chords. I can come closer to doing Iommi solos than to changing chords. TO>Unless of course, the chords are power chords, then i just tune to TO>dropped D and i'm set. You know, I do the same thing. I'm great at those power chord songs. :) TO>I watched the CD+ and then played along TO>> with them. TO>I have the songbook. Cheater. ;) TO>> It's the first song I can play and sing to at the same time TO>For me the first song i could do that with was Buddy Holly. Oh well, I hate Weezer, but that's just me. TO>> (I've been playing the guitar off and on for about a year now, just got TO>> my own). Now if I could just sing along to My Wave I'd be happy... TO>dunh duh duh dunh duh duh dunh duh duh dayw dunh duh duh dayw.... And then there's White Zombie...jun jun ju nun ju-jun jun ju nun ju-jun jun ju nun ju-do do do do... TO>> -Kickstand, you got loose and I threw up. TO>I got the words to come together. TO>Beatles reference? -j Well, he does know the words to Come Together. I mean, he sang it, so he should. TO>4th of July is pretty easy if you tune down right. Want the beginning of TO>the tab? Ok. Hit me, but not literally. Nothingman -Light a roman candle and hold it in your hand... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 11 Jan 1995 TO>> I HATE clowns. TO>> They scare me. TO>Especially when they have bazookas, huh? -j Yeah, those are the worst. ;) Nothingman -Get on the snake with a swarm of motor flies. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Faith No More and Mr. Bungle MT>Hey Nothingman, MT> How can the lead singer of Faith No More's voice be less MT>annoying that the lead singer from Mr. Bungle when they are the same MT>person? I said his vocals were less annoying in Faith No More than Mr. Bungle. I know they're one and the same. MT> Agreeing that Mike Patton's vocals are incredible, MT> ( especially live) Why is it that singers voices are almost always better live? Nothingman -Knick knack paddywhack, give your dog a bone, baby. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: those thieving pearl jammers S3>They can talk about their musical integrity till the cows come home, but S3>anyone who has listened to the 'Hater' CD knows that Pearl Jam stole S3>'Spin the Black Circle' from Ben, Matt and the boys. Before its S3>inglorious demise at the hands of Eddie and the Wailers it was called S3>'Down Undershoe' track 6 and the Hater CD. Take a listen, it's uncanny. I just listened. I think it's just a coincidence. It kinda sounds similar somewhere around the chorus of Down Undershoe, but only for a few seconds. I don't think Eddie and the boys rip off other people just to get music, because they have written some damn good songs (Black, Immortality, Go, anything off Ten, and some others I can't remember off hand). And those songs are all original too. I have never heard a song that sounds anything like Black, not to mention the lyrics (and vocals) are incredible on this song. Nothingman -All the love gone bad turned my world to black. S3> ___________________________ S3> = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = S3> =========================== ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: y aren't I getting any mail? JY>> I don't know. Its kind of creepy. Maybe all of the strictly sg related JY> messages were too much. :) . Back to trashing bands that suck. Whoopie!!! Ok, I hate...... :) JY> I have run out of sg things to say. I don't buy bootlegs, I can't get JY>the cd+ to work, I have bad taste in music, anything I say will be JY>meaningless. I don't buy bootlegs too, mainly because I can't find any, I like just about every kind of music, my CD+ works, but everything I say is meaningless anyway. JY> You know it's sad when even nothingman is not talking to us I was gone, ok? Besides, my account ran out and I didn't have ten bucks. JY>Okay, here's a topic for conversation: What is the best song you've ever JY>seen sg do live? My vote: Jesus Christ Pose or searching with my good eye JY>closed. Also, I saw them do big dumb sex about 4 or 5 years ago and it JY>was neat because they had this really long recorded intro part of this JY>guy sayingfuck a bunch of times. It was so long ago, I can't remember what t JY>point of it was but I remember thinking it was cool. Also, I've never seen Soundgarden live. They never come out this way. I'd have to drive at least 8 hours to get where they go, and I'm poor. Oh well, one of these days.... If anyone hears about Soundgarden coming near Maryland (western Maryland), be sure to post it so I know. :) Thanks. Nothingman -It's the end of the world and Elvis feels fine. ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: a favor to all my fellow poor friends hi here is a sumary of the Rolling Stone article for all of those like me with out alot of money to afford the Web or the issue: - -Chris Cornell makes a new wallet out of black duck tape during the recording of each album. Matt has one but Kim doesnt. - -they have been working on the new album since July, they have 17 songs - - some are without lyrics but most are almost finished, "theres stuff on this new one like nothiong we've done before"-chris - -_more like the band live(raw and noisy), song "Ty Cobb" is like stooges and Ramones , lyrics:"Im hard headed/ fuck you all"repeated a couple of hundred times, the original title was "Hot Rod Death Toll' - -other songs in the running"Christi",Blow Up the Outside World",Boot Camp","appel bite",Zero chance" and Karaoke" last song is about lack of origianl music today and how bands copy each other "Soundgardens challenge is to make music thats diverse and unique"-chris - -no title yet, due in spring, very thorough work with a bookcase full of raw tape - - working on it in Studio Litho, in Seattle, owned by Stone Gossard in his basement,"It gives me a good feeling that Stone is sleepng in the next room"-jokes Cornell - - no outside producer( altough Superunknowns Adam Casper is helping) because they want alot of noise and producers dont like noise because it makes them look sloppy - -Matt says that Chris could mass produce the walllets at Lollapalooza"the Chris Cornell signature wallet"(coincidence?????) - -the end ------------------------------ Subject: Re: hello all! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >I play the trumpet and about every other brass instrument, and I can >play the guitar and bass. My singing isn't all that bad, either. That >would be cool to have a rock band with trumpets and brass. > >Nothingman Okay, let me make you day a little brighter.. I was talking with a guy who scouts for new sounds and bands for a record company. He told me the new look in bands is going to be horns and bigger groups (not your standard 3 or 4 members). Sort of big band era sound.. So Mr. Nothingman, you may get your wish.. The Village Idiot Jamie ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: !!!! I just read that Rolling Stone article on the web page and from the sound of it this album is gonna be nothing short of amazing... (well we all know that Soundgarden itself is capable of making nothing short of amazing music, but reading that article makes me want to scream PUT THAT DAMN ALBUM OUT NOW!) hehe I can't wait.. from the looks of the article Kyle Petty might go on the new record, too.. it's gonna be so cool... haha I'm gonna be scared to listen to it while driving or I just might suddenly look down at my speedometer and see the lil orange thinge pointed at ninety.. woohoo.. ok I'm gonna shut up now :) Foreshocks ------------------------------ From: oyvind.randers-pehrson@sum.uio.no (yvind Randers-Pehrson) Subject: req:lyricsTO "seasons"any1? does anyone know the exact lines/ lyrics Cornell SINGS on "seasons" from the singles album and if this song is published on any other CD? if you're sure you know , could u please e-mail me at oyvindrp@sum.uio.no ? for a long time I thought he sang: " So the night's a long warm daze..." which I thought was pretty cool and still do until someone wrote : "summer nights and long warm days" in a lyrics section of soundgarden homepages which I don't think sonds all that original what's the correct understanding of what a "daze " is anyway? I have the feeling one tended to put ones own "feeling" into it depending on if it was the 60s'- 70's or 80's . (please 'xcuse the "lingual flow of" english /american, I'm from Norway) again , please e-mail me at oyvindrp@sum.uio.no if u know the answer to any of the above. thanx in advance, Oyvind R-P -Dazed and confused ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: new Rolling Stone article That wallet thing in the Rolling Stone Article is weird. Does anyone think it signifies or represents anything? I think it's weird because Jim Morrison used to do the same type of thing. He used to keep his credit card and driver's license and stuff between two pieces of cardboard in his back pocket. I can't remember exactly what it signified, but it had something to do with the idea of capitalism and possessions and stuff. Strangest life I've ever known. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Seth Perlman aka ? From: seth > > Seth, you can't hide behind those five Aol mailing addresses > > forever. > > > > is this a loke, or does seth really have *5* aol accounts? it's a loke. i have 10 aol addresses. doesn't everyone? seth ------------------------------ From: S0undgardn@aol.com Subject: Re: t-shirts > But do tell what other shirts you have... Are you sure you want me to tell you what other shirts I have? It might be a little boring. Well I guess I will though. Ok I have the one with the cover of the cd on it.(The normal one) A paint splash one with the concert dates on the back. The one with the spark plugs through it and the embroidered SsUoPuEnRdUgNaKrNdOeWnN shirt.One that has a foresty thing all over it and it has soundgarden really big in yellow. One that says soundgarden and in the letters there 's a bunch of circles so it's kinda of like a hypnotizing kind of thing. It also has an eye on the sleeve. I have a maroon shirt that has soundgarden embroidered on the front. The green kickstand shirt. A yellow shirt that has a question mark on the front inside of a superman kind of thing so it looks like superunknown. It also says soundgarden superunknown on the back and it has that soundgarden superunknown embroidered thing on the sleeve. One that has the picture from motorvision on the front and it says the wreck is going down on the back. One that says soundgarden in red and has the badmotorfinger logo embroidered above it. A shirt that has the badmotorfinger logo in grey and it's kind of puffed out. It also has the concert dates on the back. I also have one that has an indian dancer on the front and the concert dates on the back. One that has an army tank thing on it with a monster in it. (it's really weird) I have another shirt with the badmotorfinger logo on the front and it has it embroidered in the back too. I also have a baby doll shirt with a diamond glitter logo on it and it says soundgarden in the middle. Oh and I also have that on a normal white shirt. Well that's about all I can think of. I also have 4 shirts and sweatshirts that people have made for me and I also ordered 3 more shirts. Well I hope I didn't bore you. :o) Lisa ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 14] ***************************************