From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 17 Jan 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 08:27:16 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 17 Jan 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: berryBomb Wake up! Re: disheartening news Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 11 Jan 1995 Flower E.P. Re: disheartening news Welcome to 1996? Re: Welcome to 1996? Re: berryBomb Re: Welcome to 1996? (Misinterpreted lyrics) SG Lottery? Re: HELLO AGAIN Re: Flower E.P. Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 14 Jan 1995 I'm not sure yet mystery band... Re: SG Lottery? Re: SG Lottery? misheard lyrics Re: (PJ) berryBomb Re: I'm not sure yet Soundgarden in Rolling Stone Alex Lifeson digs SG Re: SG Lottery? being a star Re: berryBomb ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "LaughingBoy" Subject: berryBomb I was just mulling it over and realized that I would discontinue listening to any band if I didn't think that they were morally up to par. I say that because I would never listen to skin head rock because skin heads are morons. I'd have the same reaction if I found out that Chris Cornell were a stupid ass womanizer. His lyrics are great and the musics good but the underlying issues would bother me. This also applies to the drug smoking pot head Eddie Vedder and the rest of Peral Jam. I can no longer listen to their music because something in the back of my head says," Eeewwwww." In closing I would just like to reiterate that if Chris Cornell were a stupid ass womanizer I would no longer listen to Soundgardens music and if that seems stupid thats up to you... If something is in your soup eat it. If something is by your nose blow on it! And if the world is your worst enemy laugh at it... LaughingBoy ------------------------------ From: warren@anchor.co.uk (BadMotorFinger) Subject: Wake up! What's with all this slagging off the Pumpkins???? Has everyone actually heard the latest album??? It's a masterpiece!!! Okay, so some people might argue that Corgan does far too much overlaying in the studio, but have you any idea how fucking difficult it is to pull off???? And then there's the issue of playing it live... well, I always thought that part of the experience was to see how the band cope without overlays etc., and having seen them twice, I can tell you that they cope pretty fucking well. And, don't forget, Soundgarden use a LOT of overlays, but it doesn't affect their live show now does it?? I think the main problem here is that some people think it's 'uncool' to like certain bands e.g. when the Seattle scene went mainstream, loads of people stopped listening to Nirvana + Pearl Jam because so many other people started... Music is Music, Open your mind + Stop letting MTV dictate your views. And if you REALLY hate SP that much, don't fucking listen to them! Stay Happy :), New Damage. "If this isn't what you see, it doesn't make you blind...." - Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: disheartening news Actually, it was Eddie and Al Jourgensen from Ministry who had had the contest going. You can read all about it in "Freak Like Me: The storey of the Jim Rose Circus Sideshow". this book is excellent and has many stories from the Lollapalooza 92 tour. BK On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, seth wrote: > Nothing new, but from the HotWired archives: > > ----- > On the first Lollapalooza concert tour back in 1992, Eddie Vedder of > Pearl Jam and Chris Cornell of Soundgarden challenged each other to a > gentleman's duel: who could drink the most stomach bile. Not just > anybody's bile, either, but sickening, green foamy beer bile pumped > from the stomach and out through the nose of Matt the Tube, a member > of the Jim Rose Circus Sideshow, also performing on the tour. The > disgusting contest continued all summer long, until eventually Vedder > won. > ----- > > seth > ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. York" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 11 Jan 1995 > >JV>If you want to hear a singer who is superior to all others, why don't you > >JV>listen to Mike Patton of Faith No More and Mr. Bungle. His talent is ______________________________________________________________________________ Faith no more is great. Their latest cd is about the best and only good thing I have heard lately. And mike patton is amazing. A little warped, but definitely at least my second favorite man. " I deserve a reward, cause I'm the best fuck that you ever had" jennifer > ________________________________________________________________________ > "Happy Birthday...fucker" > > Krissy > > > ------------------------------ From: MAYOR McCHEESE Subject: Flower E.P. I have a question: Does the Flower E.P. which includes: Flower, Toybox, and I believe All Your Lies have alternative versions of Flower and All your Lies, or are they the same as the UltraMega OK ones. And is Toybox a quality song. Maybe I am asking the wrong people that one. The kid your mom doesn't let you stay over nigt with, The McCHEESESTER ============================================================================== *MAYOR McCHEESE* ============================================================================== *The views expressed by Mayor McCheese (copyright 1975, McDonald's Corporatation, New York, NY) are not neccessarily those of McDonald's, or any of it's affiliates. All complaints and legal action are to be filed with GRIMACE, FRYGUY, HAMBURGLER, AND ASSOCIATES at Happyland Island, Indonesia. ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: disheartening news Get out of here! That cannot be a serious article! Chris lost??? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, seth wrote: > Nothing new, but from the HotWired archives: > > ----- > On the first Lollapalooza concert tour back in 1992, Eddie Vedder of > Pearl Jam and Chris Cornell of Soundgarden challenged each other to a > gentleman's duel: who could drink the most stomach bile. Not just > anybody's bile, either, but sickening, green foamy beer bile pumped > >from the stomach and out through the nose of Matt the Tube, a member > of the Jim Rose Circus Sideshow, also performing on the tour. The > disgusting contest continued all summer long, until eventually Vedder > won. > ----- > > seth > > ------------------------------ From: Kate Mercier Subject: Welcome to 1996? Jesus, everyone came back from our New Year's Break a litle crabby, dont you think?? :-) So, what is this? I finally get some mail and it's filled with arguments about arguments. >>>> Hint: Chill out and let's get back to Soundgarden<<<<< So, before the New Year, I proposed another thread. I'd like to reintroduce it. - ---------> What is the best lyric that you've every mis-interpreted (by Soundgarden or otherwise)? <----------------- An example: (Nirvana "Something in the Way") ..."and I'm living off of grass and the drippings from my semen..." Another: (Hee-hee Smashing Pumpkins "disarm") ..."sodomy is such a part of you..." Any takers?? kisses, Kate ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: Welcome to 1996? On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Kate Mercier wrote: > > ---------> What is the best lyric that you've every mis-interpreted (by > Soundgarden or otherwise)? <----------------- > I've got another idea, what's the best example of a soundgarden lyric that never matches on paper the emotion or imagery it has when Chris sings it? -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Re: berryBomb On 16 Jan 96 at 10:40, LaughingBoy wrote: > I was just mulling it over and realized that I would discontinue > listening to any band if I didn't think that they were morally > up to par. I say that because I would never listen to skin head rock > because skin heads are morons. I'd have the same reaction if I found > out that Chris Cornell were a stupid ass womanizer. His lyrics are > great and the musics good but the underlying issues would bother me. > This also applies to the drug smoking pot head Eddie Vedder and the > rest of Peral Jam. I can no longer listen to their music because > something in the back of my head says," Eeewwwww." In closing I would > just like to reiterate that if Chris Cornell were a stupid ass > womanizer I would no longer listen to Soundgardens music and if that > seems stupid thats up to you... > > If something is in your soup eat it. If something is by your nose blow > on it! And if the world is your worst enemy laugh at it... > > > LaughingBoy > Ya know what? It does make sense to me. It sounds hypocritical on the surface, but stop and think about it. Do we really need to support a band that condones a life style we, as the paying public, don't like, don't live and don't care for? Maybe some of these ragamuffins who are using up good recording contracts would get the message if the buying public more or less boycotted them. Speaking for myself, I used to be hugely into PJ. Man, when they firdt caught my attention and were saying how they wanted to be different--and they seemed so different--I thought that this was the start of a revolution in the music biz. What happened to them? Did they burn out or find out it's hard to go against an entire system or what? I began to see alot of what they were saying and what they were actually doing didn't jive. For example, a zine editor I know was told in a most rude manner by their management that PJ did not want ANYTHING written about them for ANY reason. At this same time tho, they were on the cover of SPIN, RS, Musician, GW and others. That seemed awfully hypocritical to me and still does. As for Eddie Vedder...I never did care for him and his antics ever since Vs was being recorded really turned me off. I still like Jeff and Stone. McCready even has my respect now for getting his life in order and going public about it. But EV can go jump off the nearest tall peak in the Cascades. Things aren't right in PJland, which I've been saying for years now. Do I listen to them anymore? Not much, and when I do, only to Ten. Will Sg ever piss me off? I may not agree w/ some of their macho man antics and beer drinking and stuff, but all in all they're cool, decent guys. It'll take alot, and I sure as heck hope they don't go the way of PJ in my books! What's anyone else say about Laughing Boy's comments? Are we both being hypocritical or are we making some sense? later...deb /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ From: Primusuxs@aol.com Subject: Re: Welcome to 1996? (Misinterpreted lyrics) The first time I heard "Spoonman" I thought it was "all my friends are scared of death". A friend thought it was "all my friends are scared of tans" because of " all my friends are brown and red". We both felt very stupid when we read the lyric sheet and it was "all my friends are skeletons". At least noone else heard us screamng these ridiculous lyrics at the top of our lungs in his car. ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: SG Lottery? I've got an idea. Let's all try to guess the title of the new album. We could each send $1.00 to Seth and whoever is correct wins all the money. If no one is correct, I'll just keep the money. What do you think? BDM "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: some Soundgarden misinterpretations: "buying lies and stealing goats" "I'm gonna break my Rusty Cage, Erin" "All my friends are in the air" "I was tightrope walking in too tight shoes" and a bunch more that Ican't remember.. I feel like an idiot now =) Foreshocks ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Re: HELLO AGAIN >From: "Joseph A. Burnett" >one more thing---i was listening to Q101 (chicago), at about 4 am, and they >were playing an entire soundgarden album straight thru.....it was >incredible....i didn't know if it was an old album, or possibly cut from >alive in the superunknown ( i was rather shitfaced at the time)....all i >remember is chris singing along to the guitar riff from footsteps (pearl >jam)....someone help me out on this one That is Times of Trouble from the Temple of the Dog album. Kickass album, BTW, if anybody doesn't have it. Must have for any SG fan. Vasant ************** Vasant Ramamurthy vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "I don't need your love to disconnect" - An Ode to No One -Smashing Pumpkins http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: Flower E.P. The versions are the same as on Ultramega OK. Personnally, I like toybox because it's simple and raw and leaves you wondering what the hell he's talking about. (Is that "eyes to the sun, she lays in ????, one limb dangles, around the meadows(?) grows tall to the sun, seasons have come, they have gone"? Anybody????????) On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, MAYOR McCHEESE wrote: > I have a question: Does the Flower E.P. > which includes: Flower, Toybox, and I believe All Your Lies have > alternative versions of Flower and All your Lies, or are they the same as > the UltraMega OK ones. And is Toybox a quality song. Maybe I am > asking the wrong people that one. > The kid your mom doesn't let you stay over nigt with, > The McCHEESESTER > > ============================================================================== > *MAYOR McCHEESE* > ============================================================================== > > *The views expressed by Mayor McCheese (copyright 1975, McDonald's > Corporatation, New York, NY) are not neccessarily those of McDonald's, or > any of it's affiliates. All complaints and legal action are to be filed > with GRIMACE, FRYGUY, HAMBURGLER, AND ASSOCIATES at Happyland Island, > Indonesia. > > ------------------------------ From: "920460- JUSTINE J. EVANS" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 14 Jan 1995 Okay, I screwed up, he was never drummer and he was not listed as one I don't know why I wrote that. I also cannot believe that I forgot to mention that Jason Everman played in SG for and equally short time. . . but in 2 words: He sucked. Chad Channing was the drummer for Bleach and Dave Grohl once said "I liked the way he played, he sounded almost drunken and he had almost the same beats as I do." or something, so don't quote my quote [nevermind.] okay. "I don't mind stealin' bread from the miles of decadence, but I can't feed on teh powerless while my cups already overfilled. . . " ------------------------------ From: "920460- JUSTINE J. EVANS" Subject: I'm not sure yet okay. this is it. . . I wanna know, did Andy Wood ever put anything out other than Apple and Shine and Mother Love Bone[Shine/Apple put together basically] with any other bands? Does Malfunkshun have an album cuz I didn't think so but then I'm really stupid. Starla ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: mystery band... > . not a bad thing, mind you, but > > hardly cutting edge or revolutionary. > At least it's not G, D, C, G, D, C like some pop band i prefer not to > mention. lemonheads??? no, wait...that can't be right... social distortion??? hmm...maybe not... live??? uh...er... STOP THE MADNESS!!! WHO IS THIS MYSTERY BAND?!?!?!?!? :) (it must not be nirvana, 'cuz i heard 'em use an E once... :) ) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SG Lottery? From: seth > I've got an idea. Let's all try to guess the title of the new album. We > could each send $1.00 to Seth and whoever is correct wins all the money. > If no one is correct, I'll just keep the money. What do you think? I think everyone should send $1.00 to Seth. Whoever is correct gets a big wet kiss, and Seth keeps the money. seth ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SG Lottery? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > >> I've got an idea. Let's all try to guess the title of the new album. We >> could each send $1.00 to Seth and whoever is correct wins all the money. >> If no one is correct, I'll just keep the money. What do you think? > >I think everyone should send $1.00 to Seth. Whoever is correct gets a >big wet kiss, and Seth keeps the money. > >seth I'll send a $1.00 plus more - if the winner can pick who will give the big wet kiss.... :*)> Jamie ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: misheard lyrics Here's my embarassing misheard lyric: The first time i heard Smokestack Lightning, i thought it was : "Smokestack lightning, shinin like a dog" And a Nirvana one i still can't figure out is correct or not: (From Verse Chorus Verse on the No Alternative album) "You're in a laundry room" Good thing nirvana is related, huh? -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: (PJ) berryBomb When Pearl Jam first broke onto the scene, they were in all sense, an "alternative" band. In my opinion, they stayed alternative until the release of their second album, whatever you want to call it. Eddie's voice went through a dramatic change due to his frequency of visiting Mr. Jack Daniel's. The guitar playing wasn't up to "Ten" standards and they had just gotten rid of their first drummer, the best one to this date. The big hit single "daughter" was drowning in mediocrity and everyone and their grandmother knew the damn song. With the release of "Vitalogy", everything continued to go downhill, granted that McCready didn't play much on it. The album was full of instant pop song hits, and left us real PJ fans with a sense of loss. Eddie couldn't handle screaming the lines of those harsh, fast songs anymore (and still can't). And if alternative is still what it meant back in 1991, PJ is not alternative. doing large stadium shows is not alternative. Backing out of shows because of a lack of security is not alternative (actually, those are the best shows!!). - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A LimoWreck or unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "I hate what I have become to escape what I hated being" "And the world spreads its legs for another fuckin' star! cause I am the all-American AntiChrist" -Marilyn Manson ------------------------------ Subject: Re: I'm not sure yet From: Jamesetta Simpson >"920460- JUSTINE J. EVANS" >okay. this is it. . . I wanna know, did Andy Wood ever put anything >out other than Apple and Shine and Mother Love Bone[Shine/Apple put >together basically] with any other bands? Does Malfunkshun have an >album cuz I didn't think so but then I'm really stupid. Starla > > I have Malfunkshun - "Return to Olympus" It features members of Devilhead, MLB, and Satchel... Jamie ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Soundgarden in Rolling Stone hi everyone! it is nice to read all your posts again after a long break. before i go any further, i was reading the posts a couple of days ago and i just couldn't believe what i was reading. practically every letter had nothing to do with soundgarden. it started to get idiotic until i read seth's plea for the mailing list to stop straying from the topic. thanks seth. okay onto my soundgarden related topic....i was in the library trying to study for physics but like most college students out there, i quickly got bored and my mind wandered. i then saw the new february issue of rolling stone with layne stayley on the cover. as i looked through the issue, i found to my delight a soundgarden article. let me repeat that..there is a soundgarden article in the new issue of rolling stone. it was about half a page long i think. it was pretty informative in my opinion. it talked about how our boys are hard at work on a follow up to superunknown.it listed some of the possible song names which will be on the new album. it said that we should be expecting it sometime in june, i believe. so to everyone out there, look through the latest issue of rolling stone featuring layne stayley on the cover and look for the soundgarden article. oh yeah before i forget..i know that there are a lot of college students on somms. i was wondering if you guys could state the college that you are going to after your name, for example. i know that a number of you do that already, but for those of you who do not, please do. i just think it would be kinda cool.thanks.stay hard. Vince Varkey at the university of texas at dallas ------------------------------ From: buddha@dmv.com Subject: Alex Lifeson digs SG I was on AOL last night for Rockline. Alex Lifeson(guitarist for RUSH(my alltime favorite band(SG is #2))) was asked who he is listening to thes days and his response was, " I realy like Soundgarden alot! I also am listening to AIC,(someone else) and NIN" It made me proud to know one of my musical Idols really like another one of my musical Idols. Any other RUSH fans?(we won't disscus Rush, I promise) Later Buddha ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SG Lottery? From: seth > >> I've got an idea. Let's all try to guess the title of the new album. We > >> could each send $1.00 to Seth and whoever is correct wins all the money. > >> If no one is correct, I'll just keep the money. What do you think? > > > >I think everyone should send $1.00 to Seth. Whoever is correct gets a > >big wet kiss, and Seth keeps the money. > > > >seth > > > I'll send a $1.00 plus more - if the winner can pick who will give the big we > t > kiss.... :*)> > > Jamie Sounds like a deal to me. Let's get those checks in the mail, kids. seth ------------------------------ From: lovedog@txdirect.net (mauricio) Subject: being a star i remember, right before superunknown came out, reading an article where kim stated that he loved the fact that he can walk down to the local supermarket and not be recognize by anyone..... i wonder if anyone recognizes him now? :) ------------------------------ From: Karen.Hester@vuw.ac.nz Subject: Re: berryBomb On 16 Jan 96 at 10:40, LaughingBoy wrote: [a defence of the position that the morals of bandmembers effects how he feels about their music] As did 'deb'. It's good to be honest about this - there is no way, if one reads the music press, that you can avoid having an image of musicians, an idea of their character. The number of "Wagner was a Nazi bastard" threads in classical newsgroups shows this isn't just a rock/pop thing. I was thinking about the recent Smashing Pumpkins debate, and perhaps one can dislike a band for their music, but if one *hates* them it is the public persona that leads to that heightened aversion. Yes, no? Laughingboy's eg was whether Chris was "a stupid ass womanizer," and I'd have a similar problem there. Early articles referred to dubious goings-on in tour buses but it was usually relayed as rumour. He may have grown up a bit. In the case of Soundgarden it is good to distinguish between members - Kim has often stated his anti-racist/sexist/homophobic views, whereas Chris has shown a tendency towards the latter a few times. It is when things get expressed through the music that I dislike that this becomes an issue for me. That or when a group is somewhat hypocritical, as in the PJam example. karen. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 11] ***************************************