From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 6 Dec 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 02:29:38 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 6 Dec 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: HATER Re:Maybe if we mush that Soundgarden up you could gum it down? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo re: Count Your Little Asses lucky!! She Likes Surprises Lyrics Half CD+ Revised She Likes Surprises Lyrics Re: down at the crossroads... Re: with all the other pigs... Re: Count your little asses lucky!! Re: an unkind remark... Re: Non SG stuff Re: Smiling happy people? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Unsubscribing Temple of the fuzzy ratdogs Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Chris's Oral/Aural Interactions Re: Count your little asses lucky!! Re: an unkind remark... Re: do you have some connections? Re: an unkind remark... Re: an unkind remark... Re: Let's not jump to conclusions. Re: shirts Re: Let's not jump to conclusions. re:shirts Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: an unkind remark... Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Re: She Likes Surprises Lyrics Dawg Superunknown Bass Tabs Re: Chris's Oral/Aural Interactions Re: an unkind remark... Re: an unkind remark... Re: an unkind remark... Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 Re: She Likes Surprises Lyrics i don't sleep, i dream Soundgarden Audios Homophobic in the Superunknown Re: Let's not jump to conclusions. Re: i don't sleep, i dream Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... Re: Dawg Re: an unkind remark... Re: an unkind remark... Re: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... Re: an unkind remark... Re: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Re: Re: Smiling happy people? Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Re: Re: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... Re: my dissertation on selling out, or something Re: Soundgarden molests their fans! Re: do you have some connections? Re: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... Re: an unkind remark... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Andrea Subject: HATER Hi all- Are there any Hater fans out there? I saw them play on Halloween & was hoping someone might know if they could be recording something new. andrea@kidstar.com ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re:Maybe if we mush that Soundgarden up you could gum it down? On Mon, 4 Dec 1995 DanaBT@aol.com wrote: > Oh wait a minute, I have to go find my dentures first. There we go. Contrary > to popular belief, memory is not the first thing to go. Vinyl v.s. cd's? > Well, I love vinyl for "old times sake" but it's kind of hard to play when > you're driving a car. Yes, that's one of the benefits of age, I can finally > afford a cd player in my car. And yes, I have quite an extensive vinyl > collection. Cd's didn't come out until I was 20 or somewhere around then so > the 500 or so records that I have came mostly from my long, lost youth > although I still do buy them. I just picked up "The Day I Tried To Live" on > picture disc the other day as well as "H.I.V. Baby/Room A 1000 Years wide". > I think there's room for both, I enjoy the lack of pops and crackles on cd's > but there's something about putting the needle down on the record and hearing > Roger Daltrey screaming "Can you see the real me, can ya, can ya?!" that gets > my blood going. Just ask that ol' bird Tonerkins about it, I hear she's got > quite a collection of 75's!! > I have a school project to do and i would like to know what the world was like before the invention of the automobile. Please tell me you personal experiences from this era. ------------------------------ From: Saint Pedro Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, LENART ANDREW W wrote: > To whom it may concern, > I recently read allegations in Rolling Stone magazine that some > members in SG were homosexuals, and that this was reflected in > the lyrics of a few Superunknown tracks. I know that Chris is > married and everything, so can anyone set me "straight" on this > topic? I don't want to sound like a gay-basher, but news of this > kind is somewhat unsettling, considering that I have been an SG fan > for many years. > > ===> Lenart <=== > ummm, okay. I'm _sure_ that Rolling Stone always tells the truth, after all they are such a great piece of literature. But seriously, I mean, what does it matter what the members of a band do in their spare time? If you like the music, listen to it. You don't have to actually like or admire the person (example: Trent Reznor- I like NIN, but Trent kinda scares me.) what if some are gay? will you start hating them b/c of it? i mean, really. if you think that they are cool now, why should your opinon change any if they are gay? it shouldn't anyway, i think that someone at Rolling Stone is just being like a tabloid. thats all ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Well, not that it should matter whether or not Chris is bisexual (Wasn't Pete Townshend?), but what about the earings in both ears? stands for something where i'm from. Anyone need an explanation of that? I think all Americans should know what i'm talking about.... Also, i once watched an episode of the Real World from MTV and whoever that guy was who had Aids, i think it was Pedro, was said to have used the fact that Chris Cornell is cool in an argument to defend himself as a homosexual. the argument was with Puck, i think. I would have liked puck if he would have opened his eyes. Wo, was i talking about soundgarden in here anywhere? Also, i just read the online transcript. 2 comments: a) Chris has a great sense of humor. And b), It was interesting to learn that Kim came up with the bands name. Even though that fact is 11 years old...... -j ------------------------------ From: nicholas holland Subject: re: Count Your Little Asses lucky!! The music that we get over in England is not all Britpop and shitty dance. You just have to go to the right place on the dial to find decent music. You also need to know the right time to listn to really good music. Radio One between 7.00 and 9.00 on mondays to thusdays is fairly good. Whilst their is lots of britpop there is also a fair amount of really good new stuff there. Apart from anything else BRITPOP RULES!!!! Nik ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: She Likes Surprises Lyrics The lyrics are posted on the web page, but I don't think some of the lyrics are right, I don't think Chris would sing "Edith" though I could be wrong, here's how I figured them out. She Likes Surprises ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Only dress making her best She makes up her hair for the nineties Dirty shoes and hiding her blues She's dying to lose what she's finding Chorus: So easy to leave it or take it in stride So easy to read when she's faking her smile She likes surprises, she likes surprises Anything in colorful disguises Lips and thighs abused by our eyes Acting surprised when she likes it Chocolate cream and amphetamine Torn at the seam she is crying (Chorus) (She gets a lot of gas?) She gets more or less She likes surprises Anything in colorful disguises ------------------------------ From: Voodoo Child Subject: Half I'm sorry but I have to back track a bit. Who sings on Half? I know we already discussed this but I just can't seem to remember. ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: CD+ I'm getting the hang of AITS, but I still haven't found the game. One thing that is really cool is the video of the band (mostly Chris) talking about recording - candidly and seriously. No sarcasm or joking. I'm sure most of you know what they are like when they are interviewed. Only an expert interrogator can get serious answers out of them. One other thing, I decided to check out the disc of Corel drivers and guess what - it won't read the disc!! The disc is supposed to detect if your CD-ROM can detect other discs. How's that for irony?!? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Revised She Likes Surprises Lyrics Check out this revision of the lyrics. The only word I'm not sure is the first one. It sounds like there is a consonant, though. I think she "Gets a little I guess" instead of "Gets a lot of gas" Anybody have any amendments? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< > > She Likes Surprises > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Lonely(?) dress making her best > She makes up her hair for the nineties > Dirty shoes and hiding her blues > She's dying to lose what she's finding > > Chorus: So easy to leave it or take it in stride > So easy to read when she's faking her smile > She likes surprises, she likes surprises > Anything in colorful disguises > > Lips and thighs abused by our eyes > Acting surprised when she likes it > Chocolate cream and amphetamine > Torn at the seam she is crying > > (Chorus) > She gets a little I guess > She gets more or less > She likes surprises > Anything in colorful disguises > > ------------------------------ From: terd Subject: Re: down at the crossroads... On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, terd wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > > > I agree with everything except this paragraph here. you can rule on > > > everything, adn evn if you can't write a song, someone will write them > > > for you. led zeppelin didn't write like half their songs, they just stole > > > them from poor black blues musicians and made them cool, and they were > > > > Of the eighty-seven (or more) songs recorded in the studio by Led > > Zeppelin, only around fourteen can be said to even resemble the blues > > work of other artists. Of those fourteen only six can be credited to > > musicians other than Zep. And even those have been altered to have the > > thanks for the support matthew. I have a lot of respect for > blues music, as it is considered the basis for all the rock music we > listen to these days. but blues songs have been covered, converted and > shared by musicians for decades. even all the blues musicians in america > would take and modify things that they liked in other people's work. I > think there are some really old blues songs that can't even be traced to > an original writer. how is that for share and share alike? > > but as for led zeppelin, while they may have been highly > influenced by blues musicians and music (as were the rest of the british > and american music communities), you can't say that they were thieves and > thieves only. no blues singer wrote stairway to heaven, black dog or the > rain song. I hope this last paragraph is directed at Pop Tart because I obviously didn't say that Zep were thieves. My argument was against that premise! Matthew. ------------------------------ From: terd Subject: Re: with all the other pigs... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, MAJOR HEILLY wrote: > ============================================================================== > Aaron > ============================================================================== > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, terd wrote: > > > > Of the eighty-seven (or more) songs recorded in the studio by Led > > Zeppelin, only around fourteen can be said to even resemble the blues > > work of other artists. Of those fourteen only six can be credited to > > musicians other than Zep. And even those have been altered to have the > > distinct Led Zeppelin sound. Their first album can be said by some to be > > a blues rip-off, but the person who looks beyond that can see that LZ was > > influenced by blues and would use that influence in all of their albums. > > I probably also don't need to say that a great deal of rock music, as we > > know it, was and is influenced by blues, even Soundgarden. Kim has > > stated that he was heavily influenced by Black Sabbath which started out > > as a blues band called Earth. Anyway, to say that Led Zeppelin did not > > write half of their songs is a fallacy. Look to country music for > > musicians that rarely write their own songs. > > > > Matthew. > > May I suggest that you purchase the Zeppelin Classics CD from Japan. It > is 28 (?) of the best songs that Led Zep stole from other people as > diverse as Burt Jansch (my fave) to Little Richard (the starting drum part > >from "Keep on Knocking is the same as Rock -n- Roll) and the Jake Holmes > band. I am a HUGE zep fan, but not acknowledging alot of these "samples" > is ignorant. *granted, I have yet to find the people resonsible for > "Caroseloramba" Ha!* > Sorry if I am to poor to purchase every bootleg available, but if you had read my message more closely you would see that I was refering to studio recordings. I doubt that your Zep Classics CD is anything but live recordings. Lots of bands do covers at live performances, and rarely do they take credit for those songs. The presence of samples is there, but not on 50% of their songs. I may not be as "HUGE" a Zep fan as you are, but I think my point is valid. Ignorant Matthew. ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: Re: Count your little asses lucky!! Yeh, bloody hell. SHIT (sorry, I just noticed it is snowing...what was I saying??!) Bloody HELL!!!! IT'S SNOWING SIDEWAYS!!!! Anyway - this is in reply to Adam who said how lucky America is to have such good radio. I heard someone on this list say the other day that they heard 'flower' on the radio!!! BLOODY HELL!!!! That sort of thing just DOESN'T happen over here....! Anyway, Nik - well, yeh, the Evening Session can be good but you have to listen to a lot of shit as well......mind you, better than the commercial radio stations I spoze......I hate the charts!!! Does anyone in the uk know of ANY decent radio stations ANYWHERE??? Omigid, it's a fucking blizzard out there...anyone else in merrie olde Englande having snow????I have to bloody CYCLE in this!!! Anyway, I have another little tip for all the Brits out there......GET THE TRULY ALBUM - IT'S BLOODY BRILLIANT!!!! You can get it in HMV on import....you don't have to order it if it's a fairly big store - it's stlg16.99 but well worth it - sort of like a cross between early Soundgarden/Doors/Sonic Youth/Led Zep/Sabbath....bloody good anyway(I'm sure it'd go down well with a good few bongs)....anyway, back to the radio - they're on (Truly that is) the Rock Show on Sunday somewhere between 8 - 10 pm. Yes, I know you might have to listen to Iron Maiden or something but it's worth catching just for Truly - the Rock Show is sometimes good anyway. They did play Smashing Pumkins the other week. I think. YES! Reading was bloody brilliant!!!Hurry up next year - 1995 was the best line-up the festival's had for AGES!!!! Soundgarden are going to be over here in the autumn, allegedly. Autumn 1996 that is. Long live Brixton Academy! Anyway, this is getting a tad long. The field is minty green. Oh yeh - does anyone know if you can still get the Alice In the Temple or Pearl Garden t-shirt in Metal Head in London? Just wondered...... Rightyho, bye bye everyone!!! love................. BECK ps No, it doesn't matter if Chris is gay/bi - we'd all still fancy him anyway.........! ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: an unkind remark... Is that Lyle Lovett dude still dating that Rachel Hunter chick? On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, He Who Walks Between wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Matt Harrington wrote: > > No, he was actually shot. I think that Lyle Lovett guy that plays bass > did it. > > > Didn't the lead singer from Sound gardens kill himself or something? It's > > too bad, because that guitar-playing guy would be cool if he'd just shave > > his beard. > > ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Non SG stuff MT>I'm sorry about this non-soundgarden post but, I can't believe what MT>blind dog said. I'm not gonna try to say that The Offspring come close MT>to the musicl talents of Soundgarden, but to group them with Greenday MT>and Hootie. Ouch!! You mentioned right before this about songs that MT>mean something. I don't know how familiar you are with the lyrics to MT>the songs on their three albums, but I think that these are some of the MT>best lyrics around today. MT> I also don't understand all this talk of bands selling out. If MT>a band plays the same kind of music on three albums and the third one MT>sells millions of copies because that kind of music becomes popular, MT>that is not selling out. Now changing from a Ska band to an alternative MT>rock band (ala Stone Temple Pilots) is what I'd consider selling out. MT> Soundgarden haver an album out? Wow I only thought they sang MT>BHS d8^) MT> And I'll have to agree Chris is *hot* d8^) Offspring might have pretty good lyrics, but their music all sounds the same. I listen to them everyone and a while, and I still can't quite tell which song it is till it gets to the chorus. All their percussion sounds the same too (I have a good visual joke for this one, if you saw it, you'd understand). But changing your music styles don't mean you are selling out. I don't know what Stone Temple Pilots are doing, because they've always been kinda controvesial on those issues. But nobody complains about Alice In Chains selling out, and they used to be a glam metal band...big hair and all. Go figure... Nothingman -There's no time to keep it low. I've been deaf now I want noise... ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Smiling happy people? GR>On 4 Dec 1995 rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us wrote: GR>> They like me! They really like me! GR>> I'm from puny Maryland in the US. GR>Shouldn't that be "I'm from God's gift to the U.S. -- Maryland!" or maybe GR>"I'm from the land of Crab Cakes and Frank Zappa!" or something else that GR>does us the justice that is ours? :-) GR>Greg GR>(He of the Old Line State...) You like it THAT much? Woah...I must be in the boring part...no, wait, it just CAN'T be boring here, we've got so many cows! We can do things around here like throw cow chips, and play cow chip poker, and spit tobaccy, and spread shit for fun. Damn, I love this land. Nothingman -Just watch where you step...there's one waiting for YOU! ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 JT>> The only reason Sliverchair is any popular at all is b/c MTV JT>>annointed them as the successers of Nivrana just like Bush is the next JT>>PJ. JT>Damn. I thought BUSH was the next Nirvana and Silverchair was the next JT>Candlebox. I guess I should try to keep up with this MTV stuff a little JT>more instead of actually listening to music. JT> --JT Oh...ge, I heard that Silverchair was "Soundkindergarden." i also heard that Bush was the next Nirvana. But you've gotta admit, for teens that young, Silverchair can rock. And Bush isn't all that bad either. Nothingman -But, of course, NONE of them can touch Vanilla Ice. ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Unsubscribing EH> How the hell do I get off this list? Help? Anybody? It's just like the Hotel California....YOU NEVER LEAVE!!! Nothingman -And don't bother me with it anymore. ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Temple of the fuzzy ratdogs TO> I have read in different articles that Chris has several Pomeranians. A TO>I the only one that finds this kind of an odd dog for him to own? I mean w TO>are talking serious yappy fuzzy ratdogs here! It's just not the breed one TO>would expect! A shepard or an Irish wolfhound or something on that order. I TO>dogs are like a reflection of their owners than Kim should have a big furry TO>dog maybe a St. Bernard. The dog could carry beer in his keg, most handy for TO>Kim. Matt should have some kind of feisty Terrier. And Ben strikes me as a TO>cat person. Dimwitted thoughts on a Monday morning. I guess my medication TO>hasn't kicked in yet!-T I just glanced at my Soundgarden poster as I was reading this, and Chris strikes me as a Doberman kinda guy. Nothingman -I'll take the river down to still water, and ride a pack of dogs. ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 HA>First of all, it's just your opinion that Silverchair sucks. Second of all, HA>I hardly think that PJ is an MTV band when they don't even make videos. HA> -Matt But if they did, don't you think they'd be a MTV band? Nothingman -Media these days just has to exploit EVERYTHING. ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Chris's Oral/Aural Interactions IMHO -- Chris was screwing with the guys mind. He rather enjoys fucking around with the 'heads' of his fans who sometimes unfortunately include the stereotypical Wayne's World party-on rocker. The overtly homosexual remarks, I believe, were Chris's way of eliminating and/or making fun of the garbage factor in the SG fan base (glam-rock dudes, jocks, groupies, etc.) Kurt Cobain was heterosexual, but wore dresses to piss off and turn off prejudiced fans that he wanted to have no part of his music. I think this is Chris's way of doing the same without the dress. Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo Author: curtis wayne swedran at nylanr01 Date: 12/4/95 4:48 PM I've heard from a few different reliable sources that Chris was at least bi. When SG first started out they apparently played here in Bloomington, IN and I guess C either offered to or did have oral sex w/ some guy. I know it sounds pretty flimsy but the guy was good friends w/ a brother of a lifelong friend of mine. Take from it what you will, that's the way it was told to me. Curt ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Count your little asses lucky!! From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" > > Yeh, bloody hell. SHIT (sorry, I just noticed it is snowing...what > was I saying??!) Bloody HELL!!!! IT'S SNOWING SIDEWAYS!!!! Here too (Brighton) > Anyway - this is in reply to Adam who said how lucky America is to > have such good radio. I heard someone on this list say the other day > that they heard 'flower' on the radio!!! BLOODY HELL!!!! That sort > of thing just DOESN'T happen over here....! Anyway, Nik - well, > yeh, the Evening Session can be good but you have to listen to a lot > of shit as well......mind you, better than the commercial radio > stations I spoze......I hate the charts!!! > Does anyone in the uk know of ANY decent radio stations ANYWHERE??? X FM was always cool, but it's only around part of the time and it's more Indie, I didn't get much of a chance to hear it last time cause it came back off the air so quick. But I thought it was pretty cool. > Omigid, it's a fucking blizzard out there...anyone else in merrie > olde Englande having snow????I have to bloody CYCLE in this!!! > Anyway, I have another little tip for all the Brits out > there......GET THE TRULY ALBUM - IT'S BLOODY BRILLIANT!!!! > You can get it in HMV on import....you don't have to order it if it's > a fairly big store - it's stlg16.99 but well worth it - sort of like a > cross between early Soundgarden/Doors/Sonic Youth/Led > Zep/Sabbath....bloody good anyway(I'm sure it'd go down well with a > good few bongs)....anyway, back to the radio - they're on (Truly > that is) the Rock Show on Sunday somewhere between 8 - 10 pm. Yes, > I know you might have to listen to Iron Maiden or something but it's > worth catching just for Truly - the Rock Show is sometimes good > anyway. They did play Smashing Pumkins the other week. I think. > YES! Reading was bloody brilliant!!!Hurry up next year - 1995 was > the best line-up the festival's had for AGES!!!! DAMN RIGHT!! I was near the front when soundgarden was on and loving it!! Got moshed to pieces though :) > Soundgarden are going to be over here in the autumn, allegedly. > Autumn 1996 that is. Long live Brixton Academy! You do know it's being taken over by that church next year? :( > Anyway, this is getting a tad long. > The field is minty green. > Oh yeh - does anyone know if you can still get the Alice In the > Temple or Pearl Garden t-shirt in Metal Head in London? Yep, that's the place - off Carnaby street, yeah? :) > Rightyho, bye bye everyone!!! > love................. > BECK > ps No, it doesn't matter if Chris is gay/bi - we'd all still fancy > him anyway.........! > ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: an unkind remark... Wasn't the original message here from Seth? Oh well I guess no one is exempt from misreads and unwarranted flames. Curt On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > > > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that > > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go > > > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded > > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose > > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see > > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. > > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on > the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of > noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some > more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden > fans with your rot. > > and don't eat too many hamburgers while you're galavanting around > on holidays either. you'll get a stomach ache :) > > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: do you have some connections? You should tell Ben all about the list and have him sit in and answer a few e-mail questions. Curt On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Paul Sorrells wrote: > > > In Seattle now, 12/01/95...someone needs to cheer down on whether or not > > he has hair. No one can touch his vocal abilities...period. The last > > time I talked to Ben he said that the new CD is...well, a departure. > > the last time you talked to ben? we are talking ben shephard > here, aren't we? how do you know him and what is your connection with > him? better yet, can you get a pre-release of the album?? finally, > someone on the list who may have some sort of inside info :) please > don't disappoint us and say that you were only joshing. > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: an unkind remark... On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Matt Harrington wrote: > Didn't the lead singer from Sound gardens kill himself or something? It's > too bad, because that guitar-playing guy would be cool if he'd just shave > his beard. I hope this is a bad joke. ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: an unkind remark... I just reread the message and I still don't see any indication that would make your comment sound like a joke, unless it is a private one in which case you should've mailed your message directly to Seth. Curt On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, LITTLE JOE wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > > > Does this retard know who he is making fun of? > > Gee I wonder. He must be pretty dumb hey, he's been on the list from day > one and he doesn't know who Seth is. I bet he's feeling pretty stupid > right now. No wait a second it's not possible, it must have been a joke, > that's J-O-K-E for you Badmotorfinger just so you understand, are you on a > football scholarship or something. It amazes me how you always manage to > come up with a brash arrogant answer to everything. You're a shocker! > > ___________________________ > = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = > =========================== > > ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: Let's not jump to conclusions. I'm the one that wrote that about the "oral sex episode" and I just wanted to clarify that this story is circa 1985 or so so it was quite a while ago in some of, I'm sure, were some pretty weird times for the band. They were also much younger. I'm not trying to make excuses...no wait, yes I am... Curt On Mon, 4 Dec 1995 stolen.prayers@bbs.cowland.com wrote: > Now, after reading all of this 'Chris Cornell is bi' allegations, I > thought to myself, "That is very interesting.." I mean, I've listened to > Soundgarden for three and a half years and I never suspected a thing. He > supposedly offered to/actually did give someone ah.. ahem.. ummm... > well, I'll just be blunt here.. blowjob.. now come on.. If Chris Cornell > is bisexual that's all well and good, and it's not gonna change how I > look at him and how I listen to Soundgarden.. whatever floats Chris's > boat.. but seriously, we have to keep his inane sense of humor in mind. > We've all seen Chris on TV, read his interviews.. Now HOW MANY of you > can see Chris offer someone a blowjob and be SERIOUS? I.. it... just > weird... I can't see it. If he was serious, that's great for him, he's > getting more than I ever have. :) But I can't really honestly see Chris > Cornell do that and be serious. I mean, at first I thought to myself, > upon hearing this, "Whoa.. well... maybe males who find Chris attractive > don't have to be so depressed now.." you know, whatever... but then I > realized... when is he serious? I mean outside of his songs? He's > always joking around and stuff. Sorry but that's my opinion.. you either > agree or disagree, in fact you probably disagree, but I cannot for my > life see him do something like that and be totally serious. I dunno, I'm > open to suggestions, what does everyone else think? > > > ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: shirts Twisted or no, two years is a long time to where anything consecutively (just kidding) Curt On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Saint Pedro wrote: > Matt- > > you're twisted > > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > > > I bet those pants could pretty well get up and walk by themselves, huh Matt? > > > > Curt > > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, terd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995 S0undgardn@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Ok I have a question. It's really stupid but i've gotta know if there is > > > > anyone like me.I wear soundgarden shirts everyday of my life and I have been > > > > for the past year and a half. Does anybody else do this? I have 27 shirts > > > > does anybody have more than that? Thanks for listening! > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > No, but I have a pair of pants that I found at a Soundgarden show that I > > > have been wearing everyday of my life for the last two years. > > > > > > Matthew. > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: Let's not jump to conclusions. > > > > > > > I think that IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Chris Cornell is a very good > musician. what he does in his personal life is none of my fucking > bizness! it's just homophobic paraniona that is fueling this bullshit > over the net. > If you had read the original message, it clearly stated that I had nothing against homosexuals and it didn't really matter but FYI.... You should read messages more clearly before flaming. Curt ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: re:shirts Me too!! Curt On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > Can you buy me one of these shirts that you speak of? > > On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Matthew Paul Lawrence wrote: > > > On the subject of shirts, has anyone ever seen this shirt that says "Alice in > > the Temle of Pearl Garden"?(combining the logos for each of the bands) I have > > only ever seen one shirt like it other than mine, and I only know of one shop > > where you can buy it. Can you people outside the UK buy it? I thought it was > > pretty cool, as long as you like all the bands :) > > > > Matt > > > ------------------------------ From: "LENART ANDREW W" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:39:16 -0500 (EST) > From: Saint Pedro > To: LENART ANDREW W > Cc: somms@MIT.EDU > > To whom it may concern, > > I recently read allegations in Rolling Stone magazine that some > > members in SG were homosexuals, and that this was reflected in > > the lyrics of a few Superunknown tracks. I know that Chris is > > married and everything, so can anyone set me "straight" on this > > topic? I don't want to sound like a gay-basher, but news of this > > kind is somewhat unsettling, considering that I have been an SG fan > > for many years. > > > > ===> Lenart <=== > > > ummm, okay. I'm _sure_ that Rolling Stone always tells the truth, after > all they are such a great piece of literature. But seriously, I mean, > what does it matter what the members of a band do in their spare time? > If you like the music, listen to it. You don't have to actually like or > admire the person (example: Trent Reznor- I like NIN, but Trent kinda > scares me.) > > what if some are gay? will you start hating them b/c of it? i mean, > really. if you think that they are cool now, why should your opinon > change any if they are gay? it shouldn't > > anyway, i think that someone at Rolling Stone is just being like a > tabloid. thats all > I really don't have a big hangup with the whole gay/straight thing in music, and I agree that it doesn't matter what they do in their spare time. SG will always be the best band on the planet in my mind, but I know that this kind of news pissed off a lot of people who formerly didn't question the bands' heterosexuality. ==> Lenart <== ===> Lenart <=== ------------------------------ From: Saint Pedro Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Matt Harrington wrote: > First of all, it's just your opinion that Silverchair sucks. Second of all, > I hardly think that PJ is an MTV band when they don't even make videos. > -Matt Well, they sure used to be one of MTV pets, eps. before the vs. release. it was obscene the amount of coverage that they got. well, sliverchair DOES suck- no orignal sound, and the lyrics are TERRIBLE. plus, the radio station that i listened to before coming to college played sliverchair about 3-4 times a day. it was a painful experience. > > > > > >On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, He Who Walks Between wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, J.T. Myers wrote: > >> > >> > > The only reason Sliverchair is any popular at all is b/c MTV > >> > >annointed them as the successers of Nivrana just like Bush is the next > >> > >PJ. > >> > > >> > Damn. I thought BUSH was the next Nirvana and Silverchair was the next > >> > Candlebox. I guess I should try to keep up with this MTV stuff a little > >> > more instead of actually listening to music. > >> > --JT > >> No, Bush is the next Candlebox and Silverchair is the next Alice in > >> Chains. (Well maybe i'm stretching that last part a little....) > >> -j > > > >alice in chains are too good to be dupilcated. plus, PJ is much more a > >MTV brand band than AIC. > > > >anyways, SLIVERCHAIR JUSTS SUCKS!!!!!! > > > >> > >> aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist > >> aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! > >> ***************************************************************************** > >> "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden > >> "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: an unkind remark... Yeah, I didn't get it either. I almost replied, but then I thought, "I must be missing something". >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > I just reread the message and I still don't see any indication that would > make your comment sound like a joke, unless it is a private one in which > case you should've mailed your message directly to Seth. > > Curt > > On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, LITTLE JOE wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > > > > > Does this retard know who he is making fun of? > > > > Gee I wonder. He must be pretty dumb hey, he's been on the list from day > > one and he doesn't know who Seth is. I bet he's feeling pretty stupid > > right now. No wait a second it's not possible, it must have been a joke, > > that's J-O-K-E for you Badmotorfinger just so you understand, are you on a > > football scholarship or something. It amazes me how you always manage to > > come up with a brash arrogant answer to everything. You're a shocker! > > > > ___________________________ > > = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = > > =========================== > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mickey Wrangle Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo At 09:39 PM 12/4/95 -0500, He Who Walks Between wrote: >Well, not that it should matter whether or not Chris is bisexual (Wasn't >Pete Townshend?), but what about the earings in both ears? stands for >something where i'm from. Anyone need an explanation of that? I think >all Americans should know what i'm talking about.... yeah, man, i think you may be right, and that fork-thing he wears too, must mean the same thing, doesn't he also wear bracelets?!?!? you know what? has anyone REALLY listened to the lyrics of 'black hole sun'?? check this out: 'in disguise, as no one knows' - could mean that he's hiding his true ways. 'through the cream and i'll hear you scream again' - i do not even want to touch that one. 'black hole sun, won't you come, won't you come' - ahem, could someone please explain this one?!?! and didn't chris live with andy wood? and i do believe that andy wore lipstick...this is getting worse and worse by the minute... whatever shall we do? ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mickey Wrangle Subject: Re: She Likes Surprises Lyrics At 11:05 PM 12/4/95 -0700,Chris Mackenzie wrote: >The lyrics are posted on the web page, but I don't think some of the >lyrics are right, I don't think Chris would sing "Edith" though I could >be wrong, here's how I figured them out. > >She Likes Surprises >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Only dress making her best >She makes up her hair for the nineties >Dirty shoes and hiding her blues >She's dying to lose what she's finding > >Chorus: So easy to leave it or take it in stride > So easy to read when she's faking her smile > She likes surprises, she likes surprises > Anything in colorful disguises > >Lips and thighs abused by our eyes >Acting surprised when she likes it >Chocolate cream and amphetamine >Torn at the seam she is crying > >(Chorus) > >(She gets a lot of gas?) >She gets more or less >She likes surprises >Anything in colorful disguises > here's my attempt: She Likes Surprises Dowdy dress and making a mess She makes up her hair for the 90s Dirty shoes and hiding her blues She's dying to lose what she's finding So easy to leave it or take it in stride So easy to read when she's faking her smile She likes surprises, she likes surprises Anything in colorful disguises Lips and thighs abused by our eyes Acting surprised that she likes it Chocolate cream, an amphetamine Torn at the seams, she's crying So easy to leave it or take it in stride So easy to read when she's faking her smile She likes surprises, she likes surprises Anything in colorful disguises She gets a little I guess She gets more or less She likes surprises Anything in colorful disguises So easy to leave it or take it in stride So easy to read when she's faking her smile She likes surprises, she likes surprises Anything in colorful disguises - --- "I smile better than the Mona Lisa" - Charles Bukowski (1920-1994) email: vertigo@cent.com ------------------------------ From: Michael J Sharkey Subject: Dawg Readers, fans, etc., If you haven't read the MTV online chat with Chris Cornell recorded on or around the 29th, I strongly recommend you do. Chris gives info on the new album, and answers any number of interesting (some of them anyway) questions. The chat is available on the SG homepage, read it! In other news, if you are looking for a good Soundgarden bootleg, I know of one you definitly should not buy. The disc is called "Stingray" and it is a horrendous recording of a concert from San Jose, early 1995. The concert itself sounds as if it was great, but that was difficult to tell as the voices of whoever recorded the concert are continually heard over the band. To make matters even worse, on the back of the disc there is an idiotic listing of the songs played. This is what made me buy the disc in the first place, as I had never heard of some of the titles. For room a thousand years wide was the title: Tomorrow Begin Tomorrow. Not only was that an obvious act of ignorance by some unfamiliar producers of the disc, but the chorus in Room is tomorrow begat tomorrow, not begin. These guys did the same for virtually every song the band played, how do discs like this even get out to the public, and how could I have been so stupid to buy it? What are the good labels to buy bootlegs from? Please respond, as I would like to add a good Soundgarden bootleg to my collection. ------------------------------ From: "Tim Smith" Subject: Superunknown Bass Tabs Hello fellow soundgarden fans! I am looking for some bass tabs from the album Superunknown. I am especially looking for Head Down, Fell on Black Days and Like Suicide. This would be greatly appriciated. Tim Smith ------------------------------ From: MAJOR HEILLY Subject: Re: Chris's Oral/Aural Interactions Agreed. I believe this is the most rational intrepretation. But if he is gay, who cares? ============================================================================== Aaron ============================================================================== On Tue, 5 Dec 1995 ansel@morgan.com wrote: > IMHO -- Chris was screwing with the guys mind. He rather > enjoys fucking around with the 'heads' of his fans who > sometimes unfortunately include the stereotypical Wayne's > World party-on rocker. The overtly homosexual remarks, I > believe, were Chris's way of eliminating and/or making fun > of the garbage factor in the SG fan base (glam-rock dudes, > jocks, groupies, etc.) Kurt Cobain was heterosexual, but > wore dresses to piss off and turn off prejudiced fans that > he wanted to have no part of his music. I think this is > Chris's way of doing the same without the dress. > > Vikki > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo > Author: curtis wayne swedran at nylanr01 > Date: 12/4/95 4:48 PM > > I've heard from a few different reliable sources that Chris was at least > bi. When SG first started out they apparently played here in > Bloomington, IN and I guess C either offered to or did have oral sex w/ > some guy. I know it sounds pretty flimsy but the guy was good friends w/ > a brother of a lifelong friend of mine. Take from it what you will, > that's the way it was told to me. > > Curt > > ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: an unkind remark... On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > > > Does this retard know who he is making fun of? > > > > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > > > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > > > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on > > > it was a joke. do you understand what that is? > > > No please help me Oh witty one. ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: an unkind remark... On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, LITTLE JOE wrote: > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > > > Does this retard know who he is making fun of? > > Gee I wonder. He must be pretty dumb hey, he's been on the list from day > one and he doesn't know who Seth is. I bet he's feeling pretty stupid > right now. No wait a second it's not possible, it must have been a joke, > that's J-O-K-E for you Badmotorfinger just so you understand, are you on a > football scholarship or something. It amazes me how you always manage to > come up with a brash arrogant answer to everything. You're a shocker! > > ___________________________ > = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = > =========================== > > Man you original members sure are funny. I am laughing my ass off. By the way did you name yourself little Joe for a specific reason besides the soundgarden song? ------------------------------ From: "Bryan R. Herr" Subject: Re: an unkind remark... I'm new to the list but the little comment about Van Halen was way off base. Van Halen should never be put in the same sentence with Motley Crue. Besides, Soundgarden in one of Van Halen's favorite bands. Bryan On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > Wasn't the original message here from Seth? Oh well I guess no one is > exempt from misreads and unwarranted flames. > > Curt > > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > > > > > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that > > > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go > > > > > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded > > > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose > > > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see > > > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. > > > > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on > > the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of > > noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some > > more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden > > fans with your rot. > > > > and don't eat too many hamburgers while you're galavanting around > > on holidays either. you'll get a stomach ache :) > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------- > > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > > rooms a thousand years wide > > ----------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Pete Schlenker Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Bernard Mickey Wrangle wrote: > At 09:39 PM 12/4/95 -0500, He Who Walks Between wrote: > >Well, not that it should matter whether or not Chris is bisexual (Wasn't > >Pete Townshend?), but what about the earings in both ears? stands for > >something where i'm from. Anyone need an explanation of that? I think > >all Americans should know what i'm talking about.... > > yeah, man, i think you may be right, and that fork-thing he wears too, must > mean the same thing, doesn't he also wear bracelets?!?!? > > you know what? has anyone REALLY listened to the lyrics of 'black hole > sun'?? check this out: > > 'in disguise, as no one knows' - could mean that he's hiding his true ways. > > 'through the cream and i'll hear you scream again' - i do not even want to > touch that one. > > 'black hole sun, won't you come, won't you come' - ahem, could someone > please explain this one?!?! > > > and didn't chris live with andy wood? and i do believe that andy wore > lipstick...this is getting worse and worse by the minute... I don't think that Andy Wood is gay. I love MLB a lot, and i really doubt that he is gay (to think my daddy thought i was gay/lost down in santa fe is a lyric that i remember offhand from Mr Danny Boy). i maybe wrong, but i don't think he was gay, as I really don't think that Chris is gay/ bi. this is all a big rumor that someone at rolling stone is getting a big kick out of. > > whatever shall we do? > > > > ------------------------------ From: Pete Schlenker Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Dec 1995 On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, LENART ANDREW W wrote: > > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:39:16 -0500 (EST) > > From: Saint Pedro > > To: LENART ANDREW W > > Cc: somms@MIT.EDU > > > > To whom it may concern, > > > I recently read allegations in Rolling Stone magazine that some > > > members in SG were homosexuals, and that this was reflected in > > > the lyrics of a few Superunknown tracks. I know that Chris is > > > married and everything, so can anyone set me "straight" on this > > > topic? I don't want to sound like a gay-basher, but news of this > > > kind is somewhat unsettling, considering that I have been an SG fan > > > for many years. > > > > > > ===> Lenart <=== > > > > > ummm, okay. I'm _sure_ that Rolling Stone always tells the truth, after > > all they are such a great piece of literature. But seriously, I mean, > > what does it matter what the members of a band do in their spare time? > > If you like the music, listen to it. You don't have to actually like or > > admire the person (example: Trent Reznor- I like NIN, but Trent kinda > > scares me.) > > > > what if some are gay? will you start hating them b/c of it? i mean, > > really. if you think that they are cool now, why should your opinon > > change any if they are gay? it shouldn't > > > > anyway, i think that someone at Rolling Stone is just being like a > > tabloid. thats all > > > > I really don't have a big hangup with the whole gay/straight thing in > music, and I agree that it doesn't matter what they do in their spare > time. SG will always be the best band on the planet in my mind, but > I know that this kind of news pissed off a lot of people who formerly > didn't question the bands' heterosexuality. > ==> Lenart <== > ===> Lenart <=== > sorry, it's just that i get kinda pissed off at homophobic people, and i thought i detected a bit- guess i was wrong. I once again think that Rolling Stone is just trying to get sales- if you can't tell i don't like them very much. pete ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: She Likes Surprises Lyrics That's pretty much what I get from it except for the first line. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Bernard Mickey Wrangle wrote: > At 11:05 PM 12/4/95 -0700,Chris Mackenzie > wrote: > >The lyrics are posted on the web page, but I don't think some of the > >lyrics are right, I don't think Chris would sing "Edith" though I could > >be wrong, here's how I figured them out. > > > >She Likes Surprises > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Only dress making her best > >She makes up her hair for the nineties > >Dirty shoes and hiding her blues > >She's dying to lose what she's finding > > > >Chorus: So easy to leave it or take it in stride > > So easy to read when she's faking her smile > > She likes surprises, she likes surprises > > Anything in colorful disguises > > > >Lips and thighs abused by our eyes > >Acting surprised when she likes it > >Chocolate cream and amphetamine > >Torn at the seam she is crying > > > >(Chorus) > > > >(She gets a lot of gas?) > >She gets more or less > >She likes surprises > >Anything in colorful disguises > > > here's my attempt: > > > She Likes Surprises > > > Dowdy dress and making a mess > She makes up her hair for the 90s > Dirty shoes and hiding her blues > She's dying to lose what she's finding > > So easy to leave it or take it in stride > So easy to read when she's faking her smile > She likes surprises, she likes surprises > Anything in colorful disguises > > Lips and thighs abused by our eyes > Acting surprised that she likes it > Chocolate cream, an amphetamine > Torn at the seams, she's crying > > So easy to leave it or take it in stride > So easy to read when she's faking her smile > She likes surprises, she likes surprises > Anything in colorful disguises > > She gets a little I guess > She gets more or less > She likes surprises > Anything in colorful disguises > > So easy to leave it or take it in stride > So easy to read when she's faking her smile > She likes surprises, she likes surprises > Anything in colorful disguises > > > > > --- > "I smile better than the Mona Lisa" > - Charles Bukowski (1920-1994) email: vertigo@cent.com > > > ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: i don't sleep, i dream in what issue of rolling stone did they "reveal" the tendencies of mr. cornell? what was on the cover? ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Soundgarden Audios Hey there folks. I just redid the audios I have posted on my website because they had some distortion. Actually I only redid the songs, the others are fine. They are all posted as zipped .wav files. I thought you might like to know. The url is: http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol/index.html _or_ http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol/sg.html to go directly. Most are the first verse of the song up to and including the chorus. Enjoy! (They should be posted on Seth's likely in other formats in the near future) Redone: Spoonman Remix - In stereo this time, slight hissing (so not as long but in stereo - all others are mono) FOBD (Demo) Kyle Petty, Son of Richard New: Motorcycle Loop Cold Bitch Girl U Want >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< ------------------------------ From: 00jozollars@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Homophobic in the Superunknown Who gives a sh*t if Soundgarden are gay? I heard somebody say "unsettling". I really don't give a rat's ass what these guys do in their personal life unless it involves breaking into my home. I am a hetrosexual male and it wouldn't make a difference to me how I listned to their music. The could say they communicate with aliens for all I care. But then again, I communicate with aliens so we would have something in common. I feel better. J-man ------------------------------ From: Pete Schlenker Subject: Re: Let's not jump to conclusions. On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think that IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Chris Cornell is a very good > > musician. what he does in his personal life is none of my fucking > > bizness! it's just homophobic paraniona that is fueling this bullshit > > over the net. > > > > If you had read the original message, it clearly stated that I had > nothing against homosexuals and it didn't really matter but FYI.... > You should read messages more clearly before flaming. > > Curt > once again, i just get really pissed when people start sounding homopobic- i don't remeber exactly what you said, but it must of been something to set me off. sorry. ------------------------------ From: Pete Schlenker Subject: Re: i don't sleep, i dream On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, ADDC wrote: > in what issue of rolling stone did they "reveal" the tendencies of mr. > cornell? what was on the cover? i'd kind of like to know which one, too. I'd like to know where this rolling stone person got their info. ------------------------------ From: gstanway@mail.wincom.net Subject: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... Okay, Gardeners: I NEED YOUR HELP!! My new band needs a name by Friday, so we can open for another band at a gig in January. WE need a NAME!! Fast!! ANd we're stumped!!! Any ideas?? I'd appreciate them... of course, we could always name ourselves after a Soundgarden song that few folks are familiar with... ah, well... Thanks in advance! Glenn :)> ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: Dawg Michael J Sharkey wrote: > To make matters even worse, on the back of the disc there is an > idiotic listing of the songs played. I also fell on such black days, the only boot I have is one called 'Perl Jam Live Performance'. Almost every song is mislabeled, but I once saw one where thhese stupids invented them. Eg. State of Love and Trust was Spelled as Steal Lie and Trust. Another one I heard had this hiss all over the music, so you could just hear some parts of the songs and that annoying shhhhhhhhhh the rest of the time. URB@NO ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: an unkind remark... Bryan R. Herr wrote: > Van Halen should never be put in the same sentence with Motley Crue. You're right! Vomit and shit are completely different, they both suck but they're different.... They say there are different Hells for different kinds of sinners, and so on. URB@NO ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: an unkind remark... What do either of the below messages have to do w/ Motley Crue or Van Halen???? Curt On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Bryan R. Herr wrote: > I'm new to the list but the little comment about Van Halen was way off > base. Van Halen should never be put in the same sentence with Motley > Crue. Besides, Soundgarden in one of Van Halen's favorite bands. > > Bryan > > On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > > > Wasn't the original message here from Seth? Oh well I guess no one is > > exempt from misreads and unwarranted flames. > > > > Curt > > > > On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, seth wrote: > > > > > > > > I saw SG open for GN'R on December 9, 1991, in New York City. At that > > > > > point, I had never heard of Soundgarden, and I thought they sucked. Go > > > > > > > > All you remember about Soundgarden from the show was that they sounded > > > > like a whole lot of noise. You remember them playing Jesus Christ Pose > > > > and it being completely unintelligible. You were just anxious to see > > > > GN'R, as pathetic as that might seem in retrospect. > > > > > > do we really need people of this calibre on our list? these > > > teeny-boppers who just want to stare at axl rose's butt and swoon at the > > > mention of sweet child of mine and november rain are a sad indictment on > > > the music industry and society as a whole. sounded like a whole lot of > > > noise indeed. what did you expect? take your piano and go listen to some > > > more van halen and motley crue, and don't trouble us *real* soundgarden > > > fans with your rot. > > > > > > and don't eat too many hamburgers while you're galavanting around > > > on holidays either. you'll get a stomach ache :) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------- > > > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > > > rooms a thousand years wide > > > ----------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... How about 'Alice in the temple of the pearl Garden'? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/~gkleemol <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 5 Dec 1995 gstanway@mail.wincom.net wrote: > Okay, Gardeners: I NEED YOUR HELP!! > > My new band needs a name by Friday, so we can open for another band at a gig in > January. WE need a NAME!! Fast!! > > ANd we're stumped!!! > > Any ideas?? I'd appreciate them... of course, we could always name ourselves > after a Soundgarden song that few folks are familiar with... ah, well... > > Thanks in advance! > Glenn :)> > > > ------------------------------ From: "Bryan R. Herr" Subject: Re: an unkind remark... That' pretty funny but it really shows your ignorance of musical talent. Van Halen has been around since 1978 and they are still putting out albums. I'm not saying you have to like Van Halen but how can you not respect a band that has been around that long. I think it's safe to say that Eddie is one of the greatest guitar players ever. Very few bands have been able to stay popular for three decades. Bryan On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, URBANO wrote: > Bryan R. Herr wrote: > > > Van Halen should never be put in the same sentence with Motley Crue. > > You're right! Vomit and shit are completely different, they both > suck but they're different.... They say there are different Hells for > different kinds of sinners, and so on. > > URB@NO > ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... Oh boy, this is going to be fun! Hmmmm, lemme think a sec. 1. Drudge 2. Spew 3. Potato Salad 4. Juniper Berries 5. Absenthe 6. The Spontaneous Erections 7. Grump 8. Sun Dried Tomatoes 9. Process Terminated 10. Departure Yeah, I know, they suck. Oh well. ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mickey Wrangle Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo At 02:18 PM 12/5/95 -0600,MAJOR HEILLY wrote: > >On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Bernard Mickey Wrangle wrote: >> yeah, man, i think you may be right, and that fork-thing he wears too, must >> mean the same thing, doesn't he also wear bracelets?!?!? > >Hey! I wear earrings and braclets. I even where alot of rings (that arent >class rings and other stupid shit like that). And I am a Heterosexual male. > no one said that you weren't a heterosexual male... - --- "I smile better than the Mona Lisa" - Charles Bukowski (1920-1994) email: vertigo@cent.com ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mickey Wrangle Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo At 04:21 PM 12/5/95 -0500, Pete Schlenker wrote: > > >On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Bernard Mickey Wrangle wrote: >> you know what? has anyone REALLY listened to the lyrics of 'black hole >> sun'?? check this out: >> 'in disguise, as no one knows' - could mean that he's hiding his true ways. >> 'through the cream and i'll hear you scream again' - i do not even want to >> touch that one. >> 'black hole sun, won't you come, won't you come' - ahem, could someone >> please explain this one?!?! >> >> and didn't chris live with andy wood? and i do believe that andy wore >> lipstick...this is getting worse and worse by the minute... > >I don't think that Andy Wood is gay. I love MLB a lot, and i really >doubt that he is gay >i maybe wrong, but i don't think he was gay, as I really don't think that >Chris is gay/ bi. this is all a big rumor that someone at rolling stone >is getting a big kick out of. > if you'll read my post, you will notice the absence of the word gay (or any form of it)...i was making a point, that if you take anything, be it the way someone dresses, lyrics, or their living arrangement, and you are in a certain mindset you come to certain conclusions, that you more than likely would never make otherwise, especially without all this great "evidence". i think most "fans" that freak out over crap like this are not fans of the music, but rather the image of the band/singer that is projected my the media...you know "flavor of the month, what's in for 1995, what's hot around college campuses, which video does MTV play six times per hour" type fans... cheers - --- "I smile better than the Mona Lisa" - Charles Bukowski (1920-1994) email: vertigo@cent.com ------------------------------ From: Paul Sorrells Subject: Re: Hey Nothingman.......I am an old school musician in Seattle, and here is the score on selling out; when a person's fave band gets nationwide they go around saying shit like "I saw Soundgarden play at the Central in 86" THE PEOPLE WHO WERE FANS OF THEIRS FEEL INFRINGED UPON DUE TO THE FACT THAT ALL OF THESE STRSANGERS Are now listening to thwe music that they felt was their own for such a long time. Also, the masses(fans) hate to see a band become mega cause it destroys the intimacy that was once felt....I wasd a fan of Metallica from day fucking one and I didn't piss and moan causer they became gods; I figured that it would happen. It simply happened because they deserved it. Plio On 2 Dec 1995 rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us wrote: > SC>And somebody said that Soundgarden are "selling out", or "sold out", what > SC> does this mean? Does it mean that more people liked the new album as > SC> ppposed to the previous album, that it sounds more formulated, that you > SC> get a free badge and a t-shirt when you join the fan club. Can anybody > SC> name a band that never wanted to play to the larger audience and sell > SC> more records? > > Someone said the same thing to me, but a good band usually doesn't make > the same kind of music over and over again. Only bands like Green Day > can do that. They say, "But Green Day didn't sell out." And that's > because their new album sounds just like Dookie. I think Green day is > way too overrated. It's come to the point where my little cousin, > whose CD collection is made up of Boyz II Men, Toni Braxton, and Salt > N' Pepa, even has Dookie. She told me, "Green Day is cool." When I > asked why, she just said, "Because....they are." Soundgarden is just > freakin' awesome, and Chris Cornell writes the best lyrics I've ever > heard. And Chris sings...none of this fake accent, or devil soundin' > shit. Just pure, kick ass vocals. > > Nothingman > > -Maybe Chris and Eddie will do another song together... > ------------------------------ From: Paul Sorrells Subject: Re: Smiling happy people? Hey NM...me again. Don't read too much into ANY video, especially this one. D't you see Chris and Kim on the Mtv Video awards? Chris said"This should go to the director (of the video)cause we had nothing to do with it!!!" There is alot of wisdom in that statement;that's how the world of videos works On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Matthew Paul Lawrence wrote: > Forwarded message: > > From bbs.gcc.cc.md.us!rc Sat Dec 2 06:19:48 1995 > > Message-Id: <9512020600.AA04808@MIT.EDU> > > From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us > > To: somms@MIT.EDU > > Date: 2 Dec 1995 01:01:08 EDT > > Subject: Smiling happy people? > > > > Does anyone know what Black Hole Sun is about? What the hell is a > > Black Hole Sun, and why does it invole weird people smiling? > > > > Nothingman > > > > -Maybe it has something to do with the fork. > > > I once read an article (melody maker??) that said it was about some kid > wishing the sun would swallow the earth or something. I can't see what that > has to do with the video, except maybe that bit at the end when everything > goes fucked. It seems like a case of the video and the song not being *about* > the same thing. > > What the hell is this fork thing???? > > Matt > ------------------------------ From: MAJOR HEILLY Subject: Re: Louder Than Live CD Promo My point was is that you made it sound like men wearing bracelets were gay. " . . . doesn't he also wear bracelets". Granted no one assumed me to be gay, but bracelet wearing isn't a prequisite to the homosexual lifestyle. I would say gay sex would be. Until there is evidence (that I don't want to see) that Chris Cornell has had gay sex, then nothing he wears will convince me of different. ============================================================================== Aaron ============================================================================== On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Bernard Mickey Wrangle wrote: > At 02:18 PM 12/5/95 -0600,MAJOR HEILLY wrote: > > > >On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Bernard Mickey Wrangle wrote: > >> yeah, man, i think you may be right, and that fork-thing he wears too, must > >> mean the same thing, doesn't he also wear bracelets?!?!? > > > >Hey! I wear earrings and braclets. I even where alot of rings (that arent > >class rings and other stupid shit like that). And I am a Heterosexual male. > > > no one said that you weren't a heterosexual male... > > > > --- > "I smile better than the Mona Lisa" > - Charles Bukowski (1920-1994) email: vertigo@cent.com > > > ------------------------------ From: JoAnn_Peach@livewire.com (JoAnn Peach) Subject: Re: Re: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... Hmmmm....band names, band names... Farter, Glass Ceiling, Shards, Code 13, Boner, Risk Monkeys, Keg Tapp, Bottle Load, Fierce Engine, Egads ....ah, the things you think of when you're bombed... - -peachphuzz - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Transmitted via LiveWire, a Virtual Valley service. Modem: 408.298.8646 (FirstClass, VT-100) Voice: 408.298.8174; E-mail: online@livewire.com ------------------------------ From: Paul Sorrells Subject: Re: my dissertation on selling out, or something Hey dan...you are right and you're wrong...I absolutely agree that this collective soul/STP thing is the prime example that if Mtv jams a song down everyone's throats long enough they will begin to whistle the melody to themselves and this is the way that music sells; the next time a person hears the melody their subconcious "relates" to it; it seems familiar to them...and as wwe all know, people love what is comfortable and/or familiar. However, your theory on the sheer repetition of a band causes them to sell out ...look at the Ramones or AC DC. You may not be a fan of either of these bands, but you have to realize that they are both major contributors to the music scene as we know it. Their music is utterly repetitious and relys on the same songwriting formulas; this is where the word "style" comes in. Bands coin a certain style, and it becomes an audio trademark of sorts. What I mean is when you hear a Metallica song, you immediately know that it's Metallica.......you get it. plio On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > i was talking to a friend of mine last night who writes for one of the > local papers and is in his own band, and we both agree that selling out > is just the opposite of what a lot of people have been implying. i feel > that green day sold out by continuing to make the same music over and > over and over, ad nauseum. soundgarden has continued to move in a > direction that defines what music is today, and how people will react to > it. soundgarden doesn't write their music to please other people, other > people kind of jump on the bandwagon. superunknown was nothing like > badmotorfinger was nothing like louder than love. before that, the albums > still show an evolution, but not to the degree of the others listed > above. so much of what is popular in music today isn't determined by > talent, but by the record companies themselves. good bands like sloan, > among many others, attain only limited success and popularity, while > bands like collective soul, who lack creativity and integrity, get shoved > to the top because their label dumps tons of money into them. what gets > played on the radio is pretty much determined by the record companies, > who gets a contract, who stays with their contract, who gets their > records released, these are all determined by the record companies, not > the bands, and certainly not the public. i just fail to see how > continuing to evolve in new ways is considered selling out, especially in > soundgarden's case, where they didn't follow anyone else's lead, but > actually determined the way music would go. there was never anything out > there like superunknown before it came out. now that i have gone on ad > nauseum... > ------------------------------ From: Paul Sorrells Subject: Re: Soundgarden molests their fans! From Plio in Seattle.....Chris is about as bisexual as Hulk fucking Hogan. Don't fall prey to urban/musical myth. Besides, the main thing is; So what if he was? All the Judas Priest fans can live with the fact that Halford is gay, right? Sexual preferance has no bearing on a person's abilities. Live with it. Either you like SG or you don't. On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Heather Aston wrote: > This is just a little teasing to the person who had that theory about the > "Louder Than Live" video. Why would the fact that Susan and Chris don't have > kids mean he's bi? Think about it: Chris has been touring for a good part of > the past few years. Susan managed not only SG,but AIC too. When would they > have had time to raise a child? I suppose they could leave it to a nanny, but > most modern parents don't want the nanny to have the main childrearing > responsibility. Today, the nanny is more like a babysitter than a substitute > parent. As for Jason Everman, if Chris were into guys, I think his taste > would be better than that. Have you read the Nirvana biography "Come as you > are"? Everman was once a member of Nirvana and their impressions of him were > not favorable. Kurt thought he acted like "a peacock on amphetamines". > ------------------------------ From: Paul Sorrells Subject: Re: do you have some connections? I love the name blind dog. No i aint joshing. Seattle'as you may know' is a musical mecca and I run into people all of the time...Jeff Ament, Sean(From stone gossard's side group "Brad"), all of the Presidents of the USA, the chick from Party of Five(I saw her one night at the crocodile cafe...and i see Chris Novaselich all the time. I only know Ben in a "Hey, hows it goin-i recognize your face type of thing, but all of the people that i just mentioned are very human and civil to me as far as not being stuck up or whatever. Layne talked to me for about 45 minutes about just bullshit the last time i saw him. He is the skinniest human being i have EVER seen in my life. But Ben was very cool. I ran into him at the OK Hotel at a Hater show(you do know about Hater, right?)anyway he was cool. PS Cameron is the baddest drummer, but he's a shrimp! (sorry Matt!!!) On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, blind dog wrote: > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Paul Sorrells wrote: > > > In Seattle now, 12/01/95...someone needs to cheer down on whether or not > > he has hair. No one can touch his vocal abilities...period. The last > > time I talked to Ben he said that the new CD is...well, a departure. > > the last time you talked to ben? we are talking ben shephard > here, aren't we? how do you know him and what is your connection with > him? better yet, can you get a pre-release of the album?? finally, > someone on the list who may have some sort of inside info :) please > don't disappoint us and say that you were only joshing. > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: Pete Schlenker Subject: Re: Band Names -- Help! Calling all SOMMS members... On Tue, 5 Dec 1995 gstanway@mail.wincom.net wrote: > Okay, Gardeners: I NEED YOUR HELP!! > > My new band needs a name by Friday, so we can open for another band at a gig in > January. WE need a NAME!! Fast!! > > ANd we're stumped!!! > > Any ideas?? I'd appreciate them... of course, we could always name ourselves > after a Soundgarden song that few folks are familiar with... ah, well... > > Thanks in advance! > Glenn :)> the joystick mambos? it's eating you? josh eckhouse and the speedy handboys? ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: an unkind remark... First of all: It is not my intention to start one of those endless, as well as pointless, quarrels, but anyway: Bryan R. Herr wrote: > That' pretty funny but it really shows your ignorance of musical talent. I don't question bands as for how much talented they are, but I DO make fun of those who use their talents to make shitty music. > Van Halen has been around since 1978 and they are still putting out albums. This means, that when VH appeared, I was just... hummm... 2. Does this fact make me less qualified to criticize them? > I'm not saying you have to like Van Halen but how can you not > respect a band that has been around that long. Our syndical leader here in Mexico is 95 years old, that is why I have to pay him any respect? C'mon, old doesn't always mean good, much less contemporary. Perhaps VH rocked about a decade ago, but I certainly think they're off now, they belong to the semi-woman-rocker of the eighties, even when Eddie grows a beard to hide his mental-retarded-like face. I don't have enough memories to comment on the role they played ten years ago, but today they belong along GnR, Mvtley Crue (or whatever way they write it) and such "I'm really bad" bands. Or yuppie bands perhaps? What's trendy today, tommorrow might fall into another category, check out this year novel prize winner, he proved Keynes wrong, Keynes the Big Man! Look at Kiss for example, they used to be yesterday's demons, today they're just another hard rock band. Everything has it's time and present, today is not Van Halen's. > I think it's safe to say that Eddie is one of the greatest > guitar players ever. Very few bands have been able to stay >popular for three decades. I never questioned Eddie's habilities, but couldn't Maddonna's (or Whitney Houstoun's or whomever you think of like them)guitar player (I don't give a shit if she uses one, it's just an example) be the best players in the world? And still, aren't their habilities focused just on shitty music? Think of it. URB@NO ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 121] ****************************************