From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 3 Dec 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 02:32:11 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 3 Dec 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Smiling happy people? Re: SOMMS, live Smiling happy people? re:shirts Shitty computer Re: Smiling happy people? Another Oregonian... and a SG fan to boot! Re: Gone to the Moon? my dissertation on selling out, or something woke up impressed... Smiling happy people? wait-- Re: Eye--SG import Re: woke up impressed... Re: shirts Soundgarden molests their fans! Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 27 Nov 1995 my dissertation on selling out, or something Re: CHRIS AND EDDIE ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Smiling happy people? Does anyone know what Black Hole Sun is about? What the hell is a Black Hole Sun, and why does it invole weird people smiling? Nothingman -Maybe it has something to do with the fork. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SOMMS, live From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" Forwarded message: > From email.unc.edu!toybox Fri Dec 1 17:44:30 1995 > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:39:31 -0500 (EST) > From: He Who Walks Between > X-Sender: toybox@login1.isis.unc.edu > To: Frizzle Fry > Cc: somms@MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: SOMMS, live > In-Reply-To: > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Frizzle Fry wrote: > > > > > VICTORY IS MINE! I have just aquired Satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas. I > > know you're all proud of me. > > Actually, i'm just jealous as hell. -j > Ditto!! ------------------------------ Subject: Smiling happy people? From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" Forwarded message: > From bbs.gcc.cc.md.us!rc Sat Dec 2 06:19:48 1995 > Message-Id: <9512020600.AA04808@MIT.EDU> > From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us > To: somms@MIT.EDU > Date: 2 Dec 1995 01:01:08 EDT > Subject: Smiling happy people? > > Does anyone know what Black Hole Sun is about? What the hell is a > Black Hole Sun, and why does it invole weird people smiling? > > Nothingman > > -Maybe it has something to do with the fork. > I once read an article (melody maker??) that said it was about some kid wishing the sun would swallow the earth or something. I can't see what that has to do with the video, except maybe that bit at the end when everything goes fucked. It seems like a case of the video and the song not being *about* the same thing. What the hell is this fork thing???? Matt ------------------------------ Subject: re:shirts From: "Matthew Paul Lawrence" On the subject of shirts, has anyone ever seen this shirt that says "Alice in the Temle of Pearl Garden"?(combining the logos for each of the bands) I have only ever seen one shirt like it other than mine, and I only know of one shop where you can buy it. Can you people outside the UK buy it? I thought it was pretty cool, as long as you like all the bands :) Matt ------------------------------ From: JPOIRIER@TrentU.ca Subject: Shitty computer I'd like to start of apologizing if fucked up messages appear on here from me. My program i use to access won't let me use backspace, i have to use delete...sometimes i accidentally use it.(sorry) Anyway, i just would like to say that i think it is incredible that people 30 or 40 listen to SG. I never really thought about it, but i just look at my dad and think "why not Sg...why Diana Ross?!?!" So i would just like to say "wow" to you oldied who love the same stuff as us. Keep it up! As for the CNE concert, i had a tear in my eye and felt proud to be a Canadian when Eddie and Chris said that this was a beautiful country and if they ever needed a safe, nice place to live they would come here (yeah, i wish!). Thanks guys! I just wish they would need some temporary safety more often (sigh). Lisa, i have ONE SG t-shirt...you are a goddess! I love this shirt, though because it is a real funky concert t-shirt with the purple and green and yellow pattern on it. I'm sure others have it also, but it is one of my prized possessions (my bf..actually ex-bf as of two days ago...hates it and never wants me to wear it, even though he was there with me at the concert..MEN! (?)) I just can't wait to get another concert t-shirt...pleeeeease come soon!! lates, jen p.s GREG - about the PJ song, my ex heard two new songs on The Nerve (if nobody's heard of it, it is a wicked all alternative station out of Buffalo i think..95.5 and 95.1). There is a PJ cd that was just released that has only two songs on it i guess. It is called something-"ball". I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the Neil Young cd "Mirrorball" that they are on or not. I guess they are great songs..haven't heard them myself. I'd also like to say that i am glad to see another PJ fan on here that can take sides with me in case of flames. :) ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mickey Wrangle Subject: Re: Smiling happy people? At 01:01 AM 12/2/95 EDT, you wrote: >Does anyone know what Black Hole Sun is about? What the hell is a >Black Hole Sun, and why does it invole weird people smiling? > > Nothingman > > -Maybe it has something to do with the fork. > if you're referring to the video...chris has stated that the vid is the director's vision...SG did the tunage not the images. - --- "I smile better than the Mona Lisa" - Charles Bukowski (1920-1994) email: vertigo@cent.com ------------------------------ From: Bryan Blumklotz Subject: Another Oregonian... and a SG fan to boot! Jen>>> Well, Welcome to Oregon. Moving from Seattle to here did not change about the weather . I figure a fellow webfoot (PAC/WESTers) would want to go some place with a little sun and warmth. Then again, I went to college in Colorado (brrrr!). I, myself, live in Portland. Is there anyone else on the list located in the "Bever State"? Gawd, I get a lotta shit about that. If any of you are interested lets get a SG gathering together sometime? Hell, we could probably get some Seattle/Washingtonians to come too. Post up if you are in the region. If people are interested in a gathering send me a message directly to my e-mail. No sense in cluttering up the list with a bunch of messages about a meeting most will not be able to attend. Bryan A. Blumklotz AKA Saracen Citizen of the World <<>> >From: Jennifer Lovato >Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 27 Nov > >OH, I was just joking! I'm a big Soundgarden fan, and I'm a freshman at >a small college in western Oregon, and I'm from Seattle and I miss my >hometown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >jen ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Gone to the Moon? On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, URBANO wrote: > Does anyone know what happenned to MoonDruid? He was a ferocious poster > and all of the sudden he's gone. Master Gardener , where are you? > > > URB@NO > we had a little conversation going on off the list, and then he just fell off the face of the net. he must still have an address because i don't get any error messages from his server, but that might be the way aol works. where oh where has our little druid gone? ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: my dissertation on selling out, or something i was talking to a friend of mine last night who writes for one of the local papers and is in his own band, and we both agree that selling out is just the opposite of what a lot of people have been implying. i feel that green day sold out by continuing to make the same music over and over and over, ad nauseum. soundgarden has continued to move in a direction that defines what music is today, and how people will react to it. soundgarden doesn't write their music to please other people, other people kind of jump on the bandwagon. superunknown was nothing like badmotorfinger was nothing like louder than love. before that, the albums still show an evolution, but not to the degree of the others listed above. so much of what is popular in music today isn't determined by talent, but by the record companies themselves. good bands like sloan, among many others, attain only limited success and popularity, while bands like collective soul, who lack creativity and integrity, get shoved to the top because their label dumps tons of money into them. what gets played on the radio is pretty much determined by the record companies, who gets a contract, who stays with their contract, who gets their records released, these are all determined by the record companies, not the bands, and certainly not the public. i just fail to see how continuing to evolve in new ways is considered selling out, especially in soundgarden's case, where they didn't follow anyone else's lead, but actually determined the way music would go. there was never anything out there like superunknown before it came out. now that i have gone on ad nauseum... ------------------------------ From: Kate Mercier Subject: woke up impressed... So cool to hear about who Kate McDonald is and where those lyrics came from. I can't remember who posted that, but thanks. It makes me glad that I'm on the list. It adds depth in a really personal way to a song I already liked. And her name's Kate. you gotta love that. Frizzle Fry-- yep, that show would be the one. It was technically my first concert, too. I mean, the first one that I really wanted to be at. Heaven for me, noise ordinances or not. We snuck in early to that one, and army crawled across the top knolls. After watching sound check for a while, and watching cameron watching the soundcheck from the upper walkway... he went down and told on us and they kicked us out. Oh, well. It was an honor. Pop Tart Dan-- Hey, Humboldt! I'm here too! Are there any others?? kate (kam2) ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Smiling happy people? MA>Forwarded message: MA>> From bbs.gcc.cc.md.us!rc Sat Dec 2 06:19:48 1995 MA>> Message-Id: <9512020600.AA04808@MIT.EDU> MA>> From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us MA>> To: somms@MIT.EDU MA>> Date: 2 Dec 1995 01:01:08 EDT MA>> Subject: Smiling happy people? MA>> MA>> Does anyone know what Black Hole Sun is about? What the hell is a MA>> Black Hole Sun, and why does it invole weird people smiling? MA>> MA>> Nothingman MA>> MA>> -Maybe it has something to do with the fork. MA>> MA>I once read an article (melody maker??) that said it was about some kid MA>wishing the sun would swallow the earth or something. I can't see what that MA>has to do with the video, except maybe that bit at the end when everything MA>goes fucked. It seems like a case of the video and the song not being *about MA>the same thing. MA>What the hell is this fork thing???? MA>Matt Hmmm...That's the best explanation I've heard yet...and the only one. I don't know what the fork is all about, but I have one. It just kicks ass. Nothingman -'Neath the black the sky looks dead. ------------------------------ From: Kate Mercier Subject: wait-- Wait.. It's not Dan Pop Tart.. who is on here from Humboldt? I have to amend my case of mistaken identity!! Kate ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Eye--SG import HA> You're right, Little Joe does kick ass. As I've never seen either HA>of the two SG videos, I can't say if it's similar to the Motorvision video. HA>Where does everyone find these videos? I can't seem to find them anywhere. HA>Do they have to be special ordered? I had to specially order mine through a video store, although I'm sure you can order them through a music store too. HA> As for Big Bottom, HA>since I don't have Louder than Love or Screaming Life/Fopp, and since the HA>CD HA>said all songs by Soundgarden, I assumed it was off one of those two HA>albums. Big Bottom isn't on any of Soundgarden's full length albums, and I heard something about Spinal Tap earlier on this list, so I put two and two together and thought this might've been what they were talking about. HA> But I really have no idea! In Room A Thousand..., he doesn't sing "eye" at HA>all, I don't know where the hell the people who put the CD together got HA>that. Fresh Deadly Rarities consists of a lot of covers by SG. I may get HA>flamed for this, but in my opinion, I'd rather have actual SG songs, but HA>maybe that's just me. Unless it's a cover of a song I really like or HA>something (like the bit of "Alive"), I don't really care as much about SG HA>playing other people's material. I like some of the cover songs that they do. Like Girl U Want by Devo. Soundgarden did a great job with this one. And they didn't do too bad with the Beatle's Come Together. But I guess Soundgarden can't really mess up too bad, just because they're Soundgarden. HA>>HA> I just bought an import CD called "Eye". I'm sure a lot of you HA>>HA>heard of it or have it, but for the rest, I'll give the song list: HA>> HA>>Great...ANOTHER one I HAVE to buy. All my money goes to these damn HA>>CDs. I'm not saying that's bad when it's Soundgarden. HA>> HA>>HA> 4. Little Joe (first time I heard it and I love it) HA>> HA>>This song just kicks ass. It's one of my favorites. HA>> HA>>HA> 6. Slaves and Bulldozers (12:00 long--Chris goes into "Alive" an HA>>HA>says something else repeatedly that I can't understand (sounds like "Sur HA>>HA>with talk" but I'm sure that's not it) after an incredible extended guit HA>>HA>solo near end. Lots of feedback at the end of the song and Chris says HA>>HA>"Thank you. We love you. We'll see you next time.") HA>> HA>>Is it similar to the Motorvision version? At the end he says something HA>>about "Jesus is my friend, and I like him." HA>> HA>>HA> 7. Fell on Black Days (once again the question of if it's live o HA>>HA>not is relevant--sounds like dubbed in audience noise throughout the son HA>>HA>but the drums are so loud it's hard to tell whether or not it's the albu HA>>HA>version) HA>> HA>>This song rocks no matter what version it is. HA>> HA>>HA> 10. Big Bottom HA>> HA>>Like the Spinal tap song? HA>> HA>>HA> 11. The Day I Tried to Live (once again--is it really live? Whe HA>>HA>you can hear Cornell doing the lead and backup vocals and dubbed in audi HA>>HA>noise it's doubtful) HA>> HA>>Again, this song is freakin' awesome no matter what version. HA>> HA>>HA> 12. Room A Thousand Years (CD says Eyes) Wide HA>> HA>>Does he sing that also? Anything different? HA>> HA>>HA>Overall, I think it's pretty good. It's too bad it kind of feels like HA>>HA>someone got a hold of Superunknown (album)and dubbed some songs in (with HA>>HA>exception of Superunknown (song) which is definately live). The sound HA>>HA>quality is good, with only minimal crowd noise (except where mentioned). HA>>HA>Vocals are clear and good. I'm not sure exactly where it's from, the CD HA>>HA>says "Live USA '94". But it sounds good to me. The only problem is tha HA>>HA>cuts off right after each song, so you don't hear any words of wisdom fr HA>>HA>the band in between songs. I'd recommend it. I found it at Record Exch HA>>HA>for $24 on sale. They had a couple others including two copies of "Fres HA>>HA>Deadly Rarities". HA>> HA>>What's on Fresh Deadly Rarities? Is it worth buying? I have Louder HA>>Love, and it has Fresh Deadly Roses. Soundgarden has this way of HA>>putting the wrong songs on the wrong albums. Like, why didn't they HA>>just put all three versions of Fell on Black Days on one album, then HA>>save those other two for something else? It's just all confusing. HA>> HA>> Nothingman HA>> HA>> -The grass is always greener where the dogs are shedding. HA>> HA>> ------------------------------ From: terd Subject: Re: woke up impressed... On Sat, 2 Dec 1995, Kate Mercier wrote: > > Pop Tart Dan-- Hey, Humboldt! I'm here too! Are there any others?? > > kate (kam2) > Hey Kate, Matthew/terd = Humboldt. ------------------------------ From: terd Subject: Re: shirts On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Jennifer Lovato wrote: > soundgarden pants, cool. i didn't even know that they had those.-jen Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Soundgarden wears pants. Matthew the mescaline flapjack. ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Soundgarden molests their fans! This is just a little teasing to the person who had that theory about the "Louder Than Live" video. Why would the fact that Susan and Chris don't have kids mean he's bi? Think about it: Chris has been touring for a good part of the past few years. Susan managed not only SG,but AIC too. When would they have had time to raise a child? I suppose they could leave it to a nanny, but most modern parents don't want the nanny to have the main childrearing responsibility. Today, the nanny is more like a babysitter than a substitute parent. As for Jason Everman, if Chris were into guys, I think his taste would be better than that. Have you read the Nirvana biography "Come as you are"? Everman was once a member of Nirvana and their impressions of him were not favorable. Kurt thought he acted like "a peacock on amphetamines". ------------------------------ From: "Eric G. Lanning" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 27 Nov 1995 Hearsch isn't a guy, either. Does the word hermaphodite (sp?) mean anything to you? On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Jennifer Lovato wrote: > > I wasn't making a sexist remark at all, so I'm sorry that you took it > that way. And I am not a guy, Mr. Hearsch. jen > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > > > that's kind of a sexist remark, isn't it? it could certainly be taken as > > homophobic in some circumstances as well. hypothetically, what if i were > > looking for a guy over the internet? of course, i'm not, but > > hypothetically, if i were looking for a guy, i think you'd probably do. > > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Jennifer Lovato wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Eric G. Lanning wrote: > > > > > > > > > Wow, the list is a dating service! Hey Dan, will you go out with me? I > > > > > love your Tasty hat. Brandon, if you want to meet a girl from the list, > > > > > this is NOT the way to do it. Trust me. Also, if you want to keep > > > > > obnoxious responses like this out of your love quest, you should write to > > > > > "stolen" privately. > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, ward brandon t wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > stolen > > > > > > you are a female, yes? ' > > > > > > I am a male SG fan at W&M in VA., and I must say it is refreshing to hear > > > > > > from someone who is as big a SG fan as you, and definitely female. My > > > > > > (ex?) girlfriend was in love with Eddie, and PJ, so I am glad to hear of > > > > > > at least one enlightened girl out there. What other bands are you into? > > > > > > play instruments? Gonna be in VA? (I'm not lonely, it would just be > > > > > > cool to sit down with someone from the list) The Chili Peppers are > > > > > > playing near here(in Norfolk) on 12/13., and in MD. on 12/10. Mail me > > > > > > back. by the way, how "young" are you? I am 18, and have been an SG > > > > > > freak for 2 1/2 years, but during that time, I have journeyed across > > > > > > countless rooms, each countless thousands of years wide.... > > > > > > With fresh tendrils in hand, > > > > > > Brandon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alas erik, you know i can't date people i work with. but we're still on > > > > for tomorrow night, right? besides, you and i both know that you are a > > > > spoken for man. shame on you. > > > > > > > > > > > > love your axe > > > > > > > > > > > > > boys trying to meet girlies on the internet....how cute! > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: my dissertation on selling out, or something BI>i was talking to a friend of mine last night who writes for one of the BI>local papers and is in his own band, and we both agree that selling out BI>is just the opposite of what a lot of people have been implying. i feel BI>that green day sold out by continuing to make the same music over and BI>over and over, ad nauseum. soundgarden has continued to move in a BI>direction that defines what music is today, and how people will react to BI>it. soundgarden doesn't write their music to please other people, other BI>people kind of jump on the bandwagon. superunknown was nothing like BI>badmotorfinger was nothing like louder than love. before that, the albums BI>still show an evolution, but not to the degree of the others listed BI>above. so much of what is popular in music today isn't determined by BI>talent, but by the record companies themselves. good bands like sloan, BI>among many others, attain only limited success and popularity, while BI>bands like collective soul, who lack creativity and integrity, get shoved BI>to the top because their label dumps tons of money into them. what gets BI>played on the radio is pretty much determined by the record companies, BI>who gets a contract, who stays with their contract, who gets their BI>records released, these are all determined by the record companies, not BI>the bands, and certainly not the public. i just fail to see how BI>continuing to evolve in new ways is considered selling out, especially in BI>soundgarden's case, where they didn't follow anyone else's lead, but BI>actually determined the way music would go. there was never anything out BI>there like superunknown before it came out. now that i have gone on ad BI>nauseum... That's what I've been telling people for years... Nothingman -You just put it in better words. ------------------------------ From: rc@bbs.gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: CHRIS AND EDDIE ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO!!!!! AU>boy are you an idoit!!!! Pearl Jam ripped off Nirvana. AU>Liking Soundgarden should help you realize that they and Nirvana are the onl AU>two TRUE alternative pioneeres. Pearl Jam is a great Top Forty alternative AU>group. Wake up Mr. Seattlr AU>e!!! I never knew what Nirvana was. But I don't think Pearl Jam is writing songs just to get on the radio, like some bands do. I mean, how much do you hear Pearl Jam on the radio? I don't hear them much, except for a couple select songs. They write some good music that deserves to be heard anyway. Not that Green Day shit that doesn't deserve all the attention. Don't get me wrong, I think Pearl Jam is a bit too overrated too, but they deserve it more than most bands...like Green Day and NIN. Do you really think all those cheer leader preppie people REALLY like NIN that much? They're just jumping on the bandwagon to be "cool." Nothingman -Two years ago, Trent would've scared the piss outta 'em... ...now they idolize? ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 118] ****************************************