From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 19 Nov 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 03:21:06 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 19 Nov 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: CC = Jesus? Photo? Re: New disc Re: Reasons why Pearl Jam does not suck cock AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Truly For all those who don't know. Soundgardens age guitars and stuff... the breakdown... Soundgarden Unplugged Re: New disc Re: Truly PJ entering the mind riot;welcome to my wave Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 18 Nov 1995 Re: entering the mind riot;welcome to my wave re: tuning and the value of near-obscurity re: tuning and the value of near-ob Web page. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: CC = Jesus? Photo? Sorry if you already got this, but I got an error message upon sending it, so I wasn't sure if it got sent . . . please help me out, 'cause this is for a school project! (believe it or not): (by the way, Seth, this is MAINLY to you, since I'm sure you must have this from the web page or something . . . ) Folks out there remember that temporary discussion about Chris Cornell looking like Jesus on the photo of the BadMotorFinger album (I THINK that was the album. . . .)? I could really use that on either IBM or Mac (Mac preferred) - Will trade, if necessary (oh come on, most of you folks are on internet connections to which taking 2 minutes (or maybe even less) to send this means nothing to your bill!) Thanx :) REMEMBER FOLKS, DIRECTLY TO ME, I'M NOT IN THE GROUP (for now, I'll try to get back as soon as possible)!!! The Guitarist-2001 ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: New disc On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > What kind of fans are we???!!? All those who would like to see SG do > some fucking cool acoustic renditions of there own and other cool songs > should be e-mailing the shit out of MTV. Does anyone know the address? > It's something w/ slave.com I know....... > > Curt > soundgarden should never do an acoustic set. that would put them in the same ranks as STP (crack addict), 10000 maniacs, and other wuss bands like REM. besides, what sogns could SG do acoustic besides seasons? ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Reasons why Pearl Jam does not suck cock On Fri, 17 Nov 1995 an400097@anon.penet.fi wrote: > > I wish to remain anonymous, but here are a few reasons why Pearl Jam does > not suck cock. > 1. Eddie Vedder is married and his wife would get mad at him. > 2. Mike McCready is a recovering alcoholic and complete celibacy is part > of his rehabilitation. > 3. Jeff Ament is 6'5" and is to tall to bend down that far. > 4. Stone Gossard is too busy with masturbation to do any oral sex stuff. > 5. Jack Irons is still trying to keep is energy at its peak because at > night before he goes to bed he says to himself "One day i'll be as good > as Neil Peart. Then i'll try to get as good as Matt Cameron." > 6. Collectively, they couldn't suck cock anyway, b/c one cock would be a > little difficult for everyone to get their mouths around at the same time. > 7. Sucking cock has never been one of their song subjects. > 8. If they did suck cock, they would still be touring via ticketmaster. > (Or would that be kissin ass?) > 9. Chris and Matt would never put together an album w/ three or four > guys who suck cock. (Unless they got a few privileges out of it, of course) > > > > "You talk your shit, but i ain't listening. I don't do, your ass kissin. > Now here's a point, that you've been missin, no f#$kin problem at all > I've got, no f#$kin problem at all!!!!!!!!!" > -Suicidal Tendencies > --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** > Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. > Please, report inappropriate use to abuse@anon.penet.fi > For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help@anon.penet.fi > If you have any problems, address them to admin@anon.penet.fi > jeff ament is not, in any person's imagination, six foot five inches. no fucking way. he may like basketball, but he ain't 6'5" not even close ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! AOL is down, AOL is down? Is Soundgarden still gonna be on tonight!??!?! [**listadmin note: this message, for some reason, got sent to the list late] ------------------------------ From: dgarrett@bcs.org.uk (Daniel Garrett) Subject: Truly Read Kerrang for the first time in ages this week and they were raving about this band - Truly, on closer inspection it looks like Hiro's in it and they were described as SG, Monster Magnet, Led Zep and the Doors influenced, anyone heard it yet?? Worth buying?? Daniel Garrett ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: For all those who don't know. Anyone who Knows what Satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas is, please disregard this message. For those that Don't know, a little while after Badmotorfinger came out, certain copies of BMF included a limited edition cd called Satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas, or SOMMS for short, which included 3 covers, a new song and a live song: Into the Void (Sealth) which was originally a Black Sabbath song but has different lyrics, I dont know exactly where they got the lyrics, some Indian I think.. sorry.. Girl U Want, originally by Devo, is on there.. Stray Cat Blues, originally by Rolling Stones, She's A Politician, which is a Soundgarden original and a Badmotorfinger outtake, and a live version of Slaves and Bulldozers. I don't know how many copiers of SOMMS were sold, though they don't make it anymore, and I guess you can maybe find it in some used CD stores if you look real hard, Hoping I helped, Foreshocks ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Soundgardens age RO>Someone said: RO>>Soundgarden was formed in 1983, and Soundgarden would have been RO>>soundgarden ragardless of weather or not Pearl Jam was ever formed. RO>> RO>Soundgarden was formed in 1985 RO>Jon RO>-- RO>Jon Hilgreen - Standard Disclaimer - PGP Key Available Upon Request! RO> - PO Box 804, Buffalo, NY 142130804 - 716.441.4536 RO>URL=http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~aa114 Whoa, I thought it was 84 ------------------------------ From: "Daniel Richard Dvorscak" Subject: guitars and stuff... Hi everyone. Just a couple things. First of all, about dropped-d (grunge shit) tuning: basically you lower the pitch of the e-string one whole step to d. Pretty simple. As for it being "grunge shit," Jimmy Page has been using that and other alternate tunings for years. I don't know if Led Zeppelin counts as grunge music. As for this SG vs PJ thing, enough is enough already. People are entitled to have there own opinions about which band they like better. You can't try to logically ague a point that is a matter of opinion. Personally I like SG better, but hey thats my opinion and you can agree or disagree with it. But this is getting really old now. Let's find something more interesting to talk about. Alive in the Superunknown perhaps.... Dan ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: the breakdown... As a musician/instrument collector/band member for over ten years now, I would like to toss in my 2 cents on the sg vs. pj issue... I told myself that I wouldn't do this, but I just couldn't help it... Here is my breakdown of the two bands, comparing apples to apples, i.e. instrumentation to instrumentation. (It's a good thing I had free time this afternoon) (all IMHO, of course...although many of the technical music aspects are often hard to debate...I'm not going to try to compare abstract full-band concepts like `SONGWRITING' or something like that...it's impossible to do without getting into personal preferences so I won't try.) CRITERIA - 1. Sheer technical ability - taking into account degree of difficulty in music and performance of difficult musical `maneuvers' 2. Creativity - Doing different things with music that works with the other band members...which leads to... 3. Contribution/Compatability with band - 'nuff said... (In my experience, these three aspects have traditionally been pushed as the major goals for practicing musicians...most performance aspects fit into these three categories somehow...) DRUMS/PERCUSSION Cameron vs. Irons 1. Cameron in a landslide 2. Cameron in a bigger landslide...time signatures from hell. 3. Irons is performing material written with other drummers, so he appears to be merely `keeping up'. He is a decent drummer, and his friendship with the band makes him more compatable than he would be otherwise. Cameron forces bands to be compatable with him. He creates rhythms that could stand as songs on their own. (to be fair...past pj drummers...) Cameron vs. Aberuzzenie (sp) 1. Fairly close, slight edge to Cameron for musical difficulty 2. Again, close, but Cameron has proven himself to be a superb rhythm-maker 3. I think Aberwhatever's drumming was the best and most complementary of the three drummers pj has had. I never heard the exact details of his dismissal, but I would say that Aber___ and Cameron's compatability are equal while Cameron's musical contributions are more significant. Edge to Cameron. Cameron vs. Krusen 1. Cameron by a fair margin 2. Krusen was decent, (better that Irons, worse than Aber___) but not up to Cameron standards 3. Krusen's sound worked well on Ten, which was a very sculpted, layered album compared to their more simple material displayed on Vitalogy. Krusen in his prime was slightly less compatable than Cameron and had significantly less contributions to the band's music than Cameron. BASS Ament vs. Sheperd (sp?) 1. Ament has displayed proficiency in fretless, stand-up, and standard bass and plays them all well. Sheperd is solid and plays with authority, but doesn't have the overall movement Ament displays. Advantage: Ament 2. Even here. Neither does especially groundbreaking basswork, but are solid, performers. 3 Boy, this is difficult. For compatability I would go with Sheperd. His chops work well with sg's sound, while Ament's skills often seem TOO involved for many of pj's song structures. Contribution: both have written songs and had major contributions to songs...I would go with Sheperd here by the narrowest of margins due to his refreshing contributions that send sg in different directions...Ament often fits the mold a little TOO well. RHYTHM GUITAR Cornell vs. Gossard 1. Gossard has been one of the best in the business for quite some time...Cornell is becoming increasingly better, but is still a step below Gossard technically. 2. Gossard uses alternate tunings and does some truly original things. Cornell uses alternate tunings and does some truly original things. Dead heat. 3. Here's where things get complicated. Gossard has been in several bands and I feel that his role was far more compatable in Mother Love Bone than it has been in pj. Cornell has taken sg in new directions and most sg songs are based around his ideas and contributions. Granted, a great deal of pj's material is Gossard's baby, but Cornell gets the nod here. LEAD GUITAR Thayil vs. McCready 1. Oh boy...McCready is faster and smoother, Thayil is sharper and a layering mastermind...Dead heat. 2. Advantage: Thayil. McCready plays many traditional blues lines and solos...Thayil cannot be pigeonholed. He gets the nod for being a true original. 3. Compatability and contribution go hand in hand here...both men are NOT primary songwriters but they lend their considerable talents to songs with true skill. Thayil is slightly superior in that his contributions lend a different mood to sg songs while a fair percentage of McCready's work could be classified as `insert solo here' VOCALS Cornell vs. Vedder (I know many people who would like to see this as a boxing bill, but we'll confine it to music for now) 1. Cornell has greater range. Vedder has stronger control within his range but lacks strength when he increases volume, (i.e. screaming parts) while Cornell is widely regarded as the finest screecher since Plant. Advantage: Cornell. 2. Vedder captivates people with his use of holds but Cornell changes styles (effectively) for songs, something Vedder has not been able to do as well. 3. Gossard and Ament are the primary songsmiths for pj, and Vedder is the third serious vocalist they have collaborated with. I think Vedder lends a new element to their sound but Andrew Wood was a better match overall. (didn't expect me to throw him into the mix, didja???) Vedder is starting to be more involved with pj's work, but not to the level of Cornell. Soundgarden is built around Cornell's work so compatability is not an issue, and his contributions tend to be the basis for the majority of the band's output. Overall...I don't know that this is necessary, but for you statistical freaks out there, I'll crunch the numbers. one point for each category of superiority no points for each category of inferiority both get points for each `dead heat' final score: SOUNDGARDEN - 13 PEARL JAM (with any drummer) - 5 Wow, that wasn't quite as close as I thought it was going to be. Well, the one point scale probably isn't fair given category differences (Cameron's obvious superiority on the skins--probably worth 2-3 pts-- compared to Sheperd's slight advantage in musical contribution/ compatability--worth one point). Oh well...let me know what you think. Looks pretty accurate to me. later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Star Killer Subject: Soundgarden Unplugged WE WANT SOUNDGARDEN UNPLUGGED!!!!!!!! NOT ANOTHER MELISSA ETHERIDGE!!!!!!!!! - -- Jon Hilgreen - Standard Disclaimer - PGP Key Available Upon Request! - PO Box 804, Buffalo, NY 142130804 - 716.441.4536 URL=http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~aa114 ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: New disc SG could do alot of songs beside "Seasons". "Spoonman", "Like Suicide", and "Fluttergirl" to name a few. I agree that SG should not do unplugged though. ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Truly Truly is a kick as band. I have the album "Fast Stories... From Kid Coma" and it kicks ass. They have a unique sound reminicent of Pink Floyd and Iron Butterfly only cooler. I refer to Truly as "stoner music" because of their slow tempo and heavy melodic riffs. They are worth checking out. ------------------------------ From: Tony Dawe Subject: PJ i am very unhappy to say this (i think i am very behind in my mail) but pearl jam are rated #1 by hit parader on the top 20 1990 hard rock bands. i do not think that they should be there. _____ ____ / /\ | | |\ | |\ | |\ |\ | |\ | / / \ | | | \ | | \ | /\ | \ | \ | | \ | \ / \ | | | \ | | \ | / \ | \ | \ |__ | \ | \ \ / | | | \| | / | __ /____\ |__/ | / | | \| / \ / | | | | | / | | / \ | \ | / | | | / \/ |____| | | |/ |____| / \| \ |/ |___ | | SOUNDGARDEN ULTRAMEGA OK LOUDER THAN LOVE BADMOTORFINGER SUPERUNKNOWN TONY DAWE GBF2033@INFONET.ST-JOHNS.NF.CA ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: entering the mind riot;welcome to my wave how many copies did superunknown sell? badmotorfinger? what about pearl jam's vitology and ten? just wondering. i would also love to see soundgarden unplugged. it would be incredible,just think about it. does anyone here think that soundgarden is a tad bit underappreciated in the music industry? for example, remember the "day i tried to live" video? you probably don't because they never played it.that was fucked up. my point is that if it was pearl jam or nirvana's new video then they would have played it in a heartbeat.i know this sounds petty to some of you but this is how i honestly feel.does anyone feel this way? seeing the huge following to this mailing list has reassured me that there is indeed a lot of you that love this band.oh well..go ahead..hit delete.c'mon, i know you want to.. Vince Varkey at the university of texas at dallas ------------------------------ From: gfox@csc.uvic.ca (Greg Fox) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 18 Nov 1995 >What I don't understand is people who subscribe to the SOUNDGARDEN >mailing list if they think some other band is better.. go subscribe to >their mailing list, not this one... also, I sort of agree with that dude >who wanted to be unsubscribed because I dont think it is right to >totally trash Pearl Jam. I mean, if you hate 'em, fine, but.. hell, I >dont know. We have to keep in mind that everyones opinion is different. >Sorry, Dont get mad but thats how I feel >Foreshocks OK, to me the idea of a mailing list is for people to find out info. and discuss band related topics, about bands that one actually likes, not just their favorite band. I agree that trashing Pearl Jam should not happen on this list, because this is the _Soundgarden_ list. Everyone's opinion is different, that is why there are different mailing lists. Well, that is just my little opinion. Greg ------------------------------ From: "Eric G. Lanning" Subject: Re: entering the mind riot;welcome to my wave Well, Vince, here is my theory on the "underappreciation" of things that I think are good. I don't know the exact figure, but I happen to know that college students (and probably college-educated adults) are a distinct minority. Now, I am not generalizing about the whole "non-college" group, but I would bet my copy of SOMMS that at least half of them are not/were not in college because they are STUPID. (I also shouldn't generalize about the "college" group being smart; just look at Dan /Pop-tart/ Hearsch! Actually, I think Dan looks like Jesus, but he knows that already.) My point is that you shouldn't expect so much from MTV and your local radio station, though I know the radio is good down in the Longhorn state. But, the Cowboys suck, and Barry runs circles around Emmitt. Eric ------------------------------ From: bwalsh Subject: re: tuning and the value of near-obscurity for those of you who are concerned with the intricacies of tuning to dropped-d, it might be easier this way--especially if you are slowly deafening yourself with maximum distortion. if you play a d--fifth fret, fifth string--and strike the low e, you get a disgusting mix. tune the low e down until the e and d sound the same--you can feel it easier than hearing it unless you're blessed with perfect pitch, in which case you would not have asked. if you're into alternate tunings--as practiced by sg--locate the badmotorfinger book, or memorize it before leaving empty-handed (i realize many of us are on a limited budget). holy water and searching...tune to b for that ass-vibrating, floppy-string madness. you can follow the same method as dropped-d but play the b note on the a string. incidentally, i think that one of the reasons i love sg--and that they receive little commercial, mainstream airplay--is that the alternate tunings they employ aren't as accessible as the usual aor format. i pray nightly in my smoke-infested sanctuary that the media does not latch on to sg and pervert them and their music and force me to listen to brainless turds humming muzak versions of sg songs in elevators--a la jane's addiction a few years ago. if that sounds elitist, you are far too anal-retentive to function in modern society. sorry for being so verbose but i think you'll understand. by the way, where has carolyn been? flogging the low b, B. ------------------------------ From: "Eric G. Lanning" Subject: re: tuning and the value of near-ob Another cool tuning is use in Like Suicide. The high E string is tuned down to a C, as well as the low E do a D. There are several others on that disc that have different tunings, but I am tired of this note. Eric On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, bwalsh wrote: > for those of you who are concerned with the intricacies of tuning to > dropped-d, it might be easier this way--especially if you are slowly > deafening yourself with maximum distortion. if you play a d--fifth fret, > fifth string--and strike the low e, you get a disgusting mix. tune the > low e down until the e and d sound the same--you can feel it easier than > hearing it unless you're blessed with perfect pitch, in which case you > would not have asked. > if you're into alternate tunings--as practiced by sg--locate the > badmotorfinger book, or memorize it before leaving empty-handed (i > realize many of us are on a limited budget). holy water and > searching...tune to b for that ass-vibrating, floppy-string madness. > B. > ------------------------------ From: Kate Mercier Subject: Web page. I have to say... I was feeling pretty digusted and irritated by the list this past week. Some of you are so... I don't know, weird. But, then, I renewed my faith in the whole idea by checking out the web site and looking at the list form. We're not all evil. Seth, you are doing a really good job. Imagine my suprise (and pleasure!) to find out that you are younger than I am! (I've got you by a couple of months.) Still, you're doing a great job. You deserve a break this winter. Enough with the Soundgarden/Pearl Jam debate, already. Some of you more fanatical nay-sayers actually PUSHED me to subscribing to the Pearl Jam list. Ha-ha! How do you like that??!! :-) Contrary little bitch that I am. "In the immortal words of Scorates: 'I drank what??'"- Val Kilmer in "Real Genius" Love and kissie-wissies, Kate ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 105] ****************************************