From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 18 Nov 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 03:28:05 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 18 Nov 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: shutting down the list - EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam... Re: lead singers Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. Re: lead singers Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam... Re: PEARL JAM RULES (unsubscribe) Re: Pearl Garden Re: God!!!! In defense of Chris... Re: God!!!! PJ & SG... Stop the insanity!!! soundgarden - sexist?! Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. New disc Soundgarden Sexists? Seth's page *is* better Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. Re: New disc Soundgardens age Re: list reopens when? FW: The first and the last... I hope you all care the moment you've all been waiting for Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. Re:MTV address my wave Reasons why Pearl Jam does not suck cock ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: shutting down the list - EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS From: seth No, no, I'm not shutting it down permanently. December 13 is my last day of classes, and the last day I technically have to be here at MIT until February 6. I will therefore be going home to New York sometime soon after Dec 13 for a short time -- at first I figured I would just unsubscribe, but then I realized that if I'm not around, NOBODY can unsubscribe, and I really would rather not have to deal with this remotely every day (you know, trying to _enjoy_ my vacation instead of spending it logged in). The point I'm trying to make: you can expect that from somewhere around Dec 14 to maybe the beginning of January (when I will be coming back here to work my jobs and redo the Web page), the list will not exist. DURING THAT TIME, YOU WILL RECEIVE NO MESSAGES. However, when the list is once again open for business upon my return, its membership will be the same as it was when I left. Therefore, if you don't plan to be around in early January, you need to send me an unsubscribe request BETWEEN DECEMBER 6 AND DECEMBER 13. DO NOT SEND ME A MESSAGE NOW AND SAY "PLEASE REMOVE ME ON DEC 13" BECAUSE I WILL NOT DO IT. Please don't wait until after the 13th, because I don't want to have to deal with 300 unsubscribe requests on the day I get back. Again, I will be unreachable from DECEMBER 13 to sometime in early January, so be sure to unsubscribe before that time if you don't want to start receiving again messages when I get back. I realize that there is still almost a month before the list will be shut down, and I will be repeating this information several times before then. seth (listadmin) ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com Subject: Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam... I went to see a flame war and a constructive discussion broke out... >From: Philip Fetters >Subject: Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. > >On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: > >> Soundgarden are better musicians. Period! >Agreed. Technically, they kick Pearl Jam's ass. But technically Ozzy's >new guitarist kicks Hootie's ass, but guess who is on the radio? >My point is: songwriting is not all technical. There are great songs with >no real technical stuff in them. Not that Hootie writes great songs..... Question: you being a guitar player, don't you find McCready technically superior to Thayil? Perhaps I am using a different sense of "technical" here. In layman's terms, to my ears McCready has "faster fingers." A friend of mine, a guitar player, suggested that Kim has limited talent, but that he comes off sounding complex by playing simple pentatonic scales in strange tunings. (Whatever the fuck that means). But you're right, Zack Wilde is better than either of them: so much for what technique does for the music. >Look at the song >> structures, time signatures, guitar tunings, and other technical elements >> that make up each SG song. Ben, Matt, Chris, and Kim approach the music >> with a keen sense of doing something original, creative, and complex. > >Yes, and that's what makes them better than Pearl Jam. > >> Pearl Jam, on the other hand, are riff-beaters. Although it's easy for >> them to do the "Dropped-D" grunge guitar tuning bullshit, Pearl Jam just >> pump out these boring tunes about the usual subjects. > >Ok, now here is the thing. Child abuse? Vynil? You call those normal >subjects? No, Pearl Jam tries not to stick to normal subjects. And so >they have a few songs about normal subjects. They do them pretty well. >Listen w/ out prejudice to "Black", that is the best song i have ever >heard to capture the emotions felt when a relationship ends. And there >is symbolism in that song. It's not straightforward completely. A little sappy for my taste. My favorite song in this vein is "Call me a dog". Cornell manages to capture the pain of an ending relationship without resorting to sentimentality. It is very...well...very _male_. This is a matter of style rather than content, but it is refreshing and rare to hear a _genuinely_ male voice in rock not singing about tits. There's one for the critics... >> divorce, etc.) Soundgarden are miles ahead of Pearl Jam in their >> songwriting. Cornell's lyrics are more obscure and cryptic. > >Time for a little heresy: sg critics could say that cc doesn't have the >ability to write a normal song. [snip] Ah, but only if they have never heard _Temple of the Dog_. Very "normal", and, IMO, TOTD represents the peak (so far) of Cornell's songwriting. The guitars are a bit hollow, though... Ok, I am being hard on Gossard and McCready. I actually like their playing. Ament, too... >> Kim's guitar >> playing uses a lot of bizarre and dissonant chord progressions. >Of course, kim's a college graduate. McCready's an alcoholic. >(No offense, pj fans) I like to think of Thayil as the best "bad" guitar player since Tony Iommi. No flashy solos, just a lot of unearthly noise flying out of an amp. Nasty shit, but good. >>Ben Shepard's bass adds a whole other element to the music. Jeff Ament? hah! >Ok, this is the first time i have seen anyone be brave enough to >criticize Ament. (Maybe cuz he's 6'5"?) But I still think Kim can kick his ass... Samson And the time turns around Through the walls that surround To the chimes of a jailor's song --CJC ------------------------------ From: Tonerkins@aol.com Subject: Re: lead singers I think most lead singers tend to be a bit more extroverted They want to be out front. If CC hadn't wanted to be out in the spotlight he would of stayed a drummer. I myself am glad he didn't. Let's face it he is also the most photogenic of the rest of them and other than Kim seems to have the most to say!! And can we all say Nepotism his wife is their manager!- T ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: >> >> >> Okay, here goes. >> >> Music: >> Soundgarden are better musicians. Period! Look at the song >> structures, time signatures, guitar tunings, and other technical elements >> that make up each SG song. Ben, Matt, Chris, and Kim approach the music >> with a keen sense of doing something original, creative, and complex. >> Pearl Jam, on the other hand, are riff-beaters. Although it's easy for >> them to do the "Dropped-D" grunge guitar tuning bullshit Pearl Jam just >"grunge guitar tuning bullshit..." Does anyone, ANYONE, out there believe >what this guy is saying? I didn't think so! Hello, excuse me Do you know shit about guitar uhh no, it's pretty well known that if you want to play "grunge" you use the drop D guitar tuning. Okay don't talk about shit you don't know. > pump out these boring tunes about the usual subjects. (Teen angst, > divorce, etc.) Soundgarden are miles ahead of Pearl Jam in their > songwriting. Cornell's lyrics are more obscure and cryptic. Kim's guitar >>"boring tunes about usual subjects..." I like that "usual subjects" part. >>How dumb are you? What are 99% of ALL songs written about...experiences! >>Why the hell do you think Pearl Jam writes about things like "teen angst, >>divorce, etc.)? They've gone through it, they have stories to tell, >>emotion to bring out! Soundgarden writes the same kind of fucking songs! Uhh, like you just proved his point. 99% all of Pj's songs are "fuck someone bought our records." And yes alot of the songs are about the same subjects. C'mon now alot of soundgardens songs may be depressing but they vary on the last album from psychotic mailmen, to dyslexia to intorversion, to birds smashing against windows. etc.. etc.. Vedders is always whining about some injustice "I made a million dolllars today" >> playing uses a lot of bizarre and dissonant chord progressions. Ben >> Shepard's bass adds a whole other element to the music. Jeff Ament? hah! >> Matt Cameron is one of the top drummers in music today. The pearl jam guy >> is a straight 4-4 guy who does nothing creative. I challenge each of you >> to listen to the music technically! Do not listen to it, just so that you >> can tap your feet. Listen to how the instruments sound on their own, and >> together. I will bet each one of you that, taking into account what I >> just said, Soundgarden is the better band. >> >> Image: >> Pearl Jam are poseurs and posturing fakes. A band of tortured >> artists. Veddar postures, poses, and sorrounds himself in this defeated >> self-imagery. >"poseurs and posturing fakes..." another great quote from the world's >first English speaking primate! Pearl Jam are real people, people who >have lived life, and gotten raped by it. Just because you've never been >tortured by life, love, and time, you have no right to call someone a poseur! >You obviously have experienced the harsh realities of life, I'd never >wish on anyone some of the things I've gone through, so maybe I >understand Eddie, or Jeff, or Stone, etc. are going through. Don't trash >things that you know nothing about! Umm, real people rarely walk around complaining about they've been raped by life when they're millionaires? Vedders is a pretentious clot, sorry to say, and I think that last quote was about the musical complexity of soundgarden vs. pearl jam. Guess what pj lost worse than mcneely fighting tyson. >> If you want a great example of someone who says this better >> than I do, listen to MIKE WATT'S album "Ballhog or Tugboat". On that >> album is a song called "Heartbeat". Listen to that song. Kathleen Hanna >> (singer of Bikini Kill) goes off on this long diatribe about how much she >> hates music made by all the tortured white-boy rockstars who hate the world >> and feel so depressed. Can somebody say Veddar?? >If you knew anything, it would really surprise me! Tha part of Mike >Watt's album that Kathleen Hanna does, was written by Watt! He wrote it >because he was making fun of people like you who think that artists like >Vedder (learn to spell!) or Cobain were just trying to bring attention to >themselves by staying out of the limelight! It just shows your ingorance, >by citing that peice! >> Soundgarden are real people. They don't shy away. They drink beer >> when accepting awards. They are REAL people, and not images. Cornell is >> comfortable with his "star" status. And Thayil sounds like he'd be a fun >> cool guy to hang out with. You feel like you know these guys, or people >> like them. Pearl Jam? forget it. >> >> There. I defend what I say. And to that Vinnie guy, "You're Welcome." >> >> -Jim >> >> >I don't have one bad thing to say about Soundgarden, they have written >some of the songs that I empathize with best, but calling Pearl Jam >poseurs because YOU can't empathize with their songs, just shows your >ignorance and how much you are influenced by the "Pearl Jam hating media." Hey guy, when did the media ever hate pj. They love them, when did MTV ever badmouth pj, they talk about them everytime vedder pisses. They were voted by the media was one the top 5 most iffluential bands. No not because of artistic merit, but because of they're media likeability. Hey I may have spelled that wrong but who cares. They media loves pj, I have yet to hear a negative thing about them in it. Clown >Sorry man, get a clue! > Vinnie ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: lead singers On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, 9304458s wrote: > It seems that in a band the lead vocalist is the one who gets all the > attention and praise and shit, and the others are just there for > decoration. Sure, Chris is talented, has a fantastic voice, and he > writes most of the lyrics and songs, but there are three others in SG. > (About the "Chris is God" thing, maybe we could have a poly-deity > religion, the holy quadrity, blaspheme, blaspheme..) > Don't get me wrong, I'm not bagging anyone's comments that have been > put on the list. I just think its sad that, in many bands, the > frontman/woman gets all the attention. You look in magazines and stuff, > and they have a picture of Chris and its caption is "Soundgarden", or a > picture of James Hetfield captioned "Metallica". Its bullshit. > I've never been in a band (I can't play music or sing, wish I could > though), but if I was I reckon I would be pissed if the lead singer got > all the praise. > Anyway, what does everyone else think? Me thinks you are right. But you know the media does as little work as possible and that the general public identifies with the lead singer first cuz that's whose voice they hear. Silly. I like that idea of a holy quadrity. Kim is the holy darkness, Matt is the holy beat, Ben is the holy rumble and Chris is the holy voice. -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam... On Fri, 17 Nov 1995 samm@mail.usa1.com wrote: > >> Soundgarden are better musicians. Period! > > >Agreed. Technically, they kick Pearl Jam's ass. But technically Ozzy's > >new guitarist kicks Hootie's ass, but guess who is on the radio? > >My point is: songwriting is not all technical. There are great songs with > >no real technical stuff in them. Not that Hootie writes great songs..... > > Question: you being a guitar player, don't you find McCready technically > superior to Thayil? Perhaps I am using a different sense of "technical" > here. In layman's terms, to my ears McCready has "faster fingers." A friend > of mine, a guitar player, suggested that Kim has limited talent, but that > he comes off sounding complex by playing simple pentatonic scales in > strange tunings. (Whatever the fuck that means). Actually, no. McCready does have faster fingers. But faster is not equal to better. Kim does some things that McCready just could not do. I'll have to check into that pentatonic thing (i'm just starting to learn scales...) > > But you're right, Zack Wilde is better than either of them: so much for > what technique does for the music. Actually, i was talking about the guy that's gonna go on tour w/ Ozzy this time, and that's not Zakk Wilde. Even though he serves the same purpose as far as illustrating my point goes.... > > >Ok, now here is the thing. Child abuse? Vynil? You call those normal > >subjects? No, Pearl Jam tries not to stick to normal subjects. And so > >they have a few songs about normal subjects. They do them pretty well. > >Listen w/ out prejudice to "Black", that is the best song i have ever > >heard to capture the emotions felt when a relationship ends. And there > >is symbolism in that song. It's not straightforward completely. > > A little sappy for my taste. My favorite song in this vein is "Call me a > dog". Cornell manages to capture the pain of an ending relationship without > resorting to sentimentality. It is very...well...very _male_. This is a > matter of style rather than content, but it is refreshing and rare to hear > a _genuinely_ male voice in rock not singing about tits. There's one for > the critics... > Call me a dog is an amazing song, yes, but it still doesn't do what black does. btw, is Edddie's voice not genuinely male? Cuz i don't think i've heard him singing about tits.....Oh wait "I would rather starve than eat your breast" Maybe i'm wrong... > >Time for a little heresy: sg critics could say that cc doesn't have the > >ability to write a normal song. [snip] > > Ah, but only if they have never heard _Temple of the Dog_. Very "normal", > and, IMO, TOTD represents the peak (so far) of Cornell's songwriting. The > guitars are a bit hollow, though... Ok, All Night Thing and Call Me a Dog and Times of Trouble maybe normal. I see your point. He should write some more totd songs, even if they never do get back together.... > > Ok, I am being hard on Gossard and McCready. I actually like their playing. > Ament, too... Yeah, me too. > I like to think of Thayil as the best "bad" guitar player since Tony Iommi. > No flashy solos, just a lot of unearthly noise flying out of an amp. Nasty > shit, but good. Um, i can see that. But um, the solo from fobd is difficult and could be called flashy.... > > > >Ben Shepard's bass adds a whole other element to the music. Jeff Ament? hah! > > >Ok, this is the first time i have seen anyone be brave enough to > >criticize Ament. (Maybe cuz he's 6'5"?) > > But I still think Kim can kick his ass... Well, Kim's gettin kinda old...But i'm sure Ben could take him. -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: "KIRSCHNER JEFFREY" Subject: Re: PEARL JAM RULES (unsubscribe) I used to look forward to reading the postings from fellow MUSIC!!! fans, but this moronic SG vs PJ debate has gotten so out of hand that it is disgusting. Both bands are great, and one is certainly entitled to favour one band over the other. But this discussion has degenerated to petty namecallind, and idiotic diatribe such as "Pearl Jam sucks cock.". Please unsubscribe me from this list. PS. PEARL JAM RULES AND THEY ARE THE BETTER BAND. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, FINE, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO. BUT DON'T DISREGARD MY OPINION. DROP THE LEASH, DROP THE LEASH, GET OUT OF MY FUCKING FACE!!!! Eddie Vedder. ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: Pearl Garden THERE IS NO NEED TO DISCUSS THESE KINDS OF "TASTES". I'M SURE ALL OF YOU BOYS CAN THINK OF ANOTHER WAY TO CONTRAST SG AND PJ! MAYBE YOU SHOULD KEEP IN MIND THAT MEN AND WOMEN WRITE TO THIS LIST! On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Joseph A. Burnett wrote: > > > ready, i'm gonna give you all the answers to all your well thought responses > > to the pearl jam/soundgarden thing (like "Pearl Jam sucks, 'cause i say > > so.....pass the bong, dude") ............... > > > > it's this simple-----you guys can rant and rave about how deep eddie is or > > isn't, and how touching cornell is or whatever the fuck, but guess > > what....you're opinion isn't SHIT.........except to yourself......i'm sure > > somebody reading all the responses and arguments is just gonna go > > "Hey, he's right, pearl jam does suck.......i hate them now...." > > no one cares what you think.......everyone has their own musical tastes, and > > your brilliant arguments aren't gonna change them. > > > > it's like arguing with someone because you think your girlfriends pussy > > tastes the best, and the other guy saying his girlfriends tastes > > better......just like music its a matter of TASTE!!!!!! > > > > now i respect everyone's opinions here, as long as they have some kind of > > backing...not just "pearl jam sucks....." those idiots suck....too much pot > > to formulate a meaningful sentence.. > > > > for the majority of intelligent people who give their > > thoughts.....great.....but don't expect to change the goddam world, because > > i like my girlfriends pussy the best................................Little Joe > > > > > i think your pussy tastes the best. eddie's is a little sour for my taste > ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: God!!!! > SWM 5'10" 160lbs seeking attractive SF for meaningful relationship. > Must be independent, interested in music, and educated. Also, I enjoy > camping, concerts, parties, and am not afraid of the more cultural life. Why don't people ever seek "unattractive" mates? ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: In defense of Chris... If Chris was really so sexist, why has he gone so long with his wife as his band's manager? I truly don't think he was revealing his true, sexist self on AOL; rather he was making a joke. Mind you, this joke was not on women, but on the person who asked if SG members were sexist pigs earlier in the conversation. ------------------------------ From: PEE WEE'S JAMBI Subject: Re: God!!!! On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Jennifer C Graham wrote: > > > > SWM 5'10" 160lbs seeking attractive SF for meaningful relationship. > > Must be independent, interested in music, and educated. Also, I enjoy > > camping, concerts, parties, and am not afraid of the more cultural life. > > Why don't people ever seek "unattractive" mates? > Do you seek the unattractive? To me, attractive means alot of things. My ex-girlfriend is physically beutiful, but she sure isn't attractive. Someone who isn't talkative, has no sense of humor, or is very self centered is also unattractive. Yes, I did mean it in all these senses, and yes, physical attraction is important, but let me ask you this: I pose an Ad Hominim arguement, I bet you go for the most attractive physically person and then work to see if he/she is attractive emotionally. That's just human nature. Watch PBS sometime. I think I owe it to myself not to end up with Solomon Grundy's twin, unless utility is made up for (and it would take alot!) in a SUPER great personality. (Disclaimer: Anyone who does have a great personality and does look like Solomon Grundy, please do not write). Besides, it's hard to have sex with someone that's unattractive. I'm not attracted to men, and I won't seek them out just because someone else thinks I am prejudiced against what soceity deems attractive. BTW, physical attraction does vary from man to man. I don't happen to have the breast hangup other men do. So, there, I think. ------------------------------ From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: PJ & SG... Stop the insanity!!! Hey, all right!!! A new trend I can participate in!!! I know... let's all complain about everyone else complaining about the differences between PJ and Soundgarden, ad nauseum, so that eventually the messages telling people to stop the argument will get more @$#%ing annoying than the messages participating in the argument!! Whew!! How exhilirating!! (((read as if dripping with sarcasm))) Honestly, though... :)> This has gone a tad far... (BTW, SG would eat chicken fajitas OR bean burritos... whichever someone else would pay for... ;)> hehe..) Take care, Gardeners! Glenn ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: What I don't understand is people who subscribe to the SOUNDGARDEN mailing list if they think some other band is better.. go subscribe to their mailing list, not this one... also, I sort of agree with that dude who wanted to be unsubscribed because I dont think it is right to totally trash Pearl Jam. I mean, if you hate 'em, fine, but.. hell, I dont know. We have to keep in mind that everyones opinion is different. Sorry, Dont get mad but thats how I feel Foreshocks ------------------------------ From: teeger@mail.utexas.edu (Krissy) Subject: soundgarden - sexist?! >I've been reading these posts about Soundgarden being very sexist, and >I'm hoping that isn't true, being female myself... I was wondering, and >so I went back to my log file of their aohell appearance and read it. >Before they made that remark about the headless female doll, someone >asked them if they were sexist heavy-metal pigs.. They were probably >only kidding as I can't see Soundgarden as a bunch of sexist assholes, >and if they are, I may go to Seattle and kick them in the nads. Well, >anyway, my theory is that they were only kidding because someone asked >them if they were sexist pigs and play the part up and fuck around. I'm >hoping, anyway.. hmmmm.... >Bleh, >Foreshocks After reading Jamie's messages, I felt like I have to agree with Foreshocks that SG was JOKING. At first I was upset by the comment, but then I read the entire interview and it all made sense. Jamie, if you want to take everything they do seriously then you should have been offended long ago when you first heard "Big Dumb Sex". Part of what I love about the band is that they make fun of what other people make them out to be (sexist heavy metal rock pigs). Don't take one comment too seriously and don't let it make you question what you always thought about the band. If you thought they were intelligent and concerned about important issues before, then read the statement with that in mind, and realize by saying that they're making fun of that kind of attitude. Just my opinion Krissy ------------------------------ From: Matthew Souza Subject: Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: > Pearl Jam, on the other hand, are riff-beaters. Although it's easy for > them to do the "Dropped-D" grunge guitar tuning bullshit, I am curious as to how much you know about playing guitar. Alternate tunings are not only used to get different sounds, but to also facilitate easier playing. Guitar players do not tune their guitars to make them harder to play, Dropped-D functions to make the playing of fifths (power chords) more convenient. Bands such as Helmet and Tool ( Soundgarden and many others) use the so called "grunge guitar tuning bullshit" extensively. I guess you are some kind of virtuoso who seeks to make his playing look as complicated as possible to impress the girls. Matthew. ------------------------------ From: Michael J Sharkey Subject: New disc Recently, I read an article about Soundgarden's latest recording efforts. It was in some guitar magazine with Ozzy Osborne on the cover, which I opted to read, not buy. Anyway, the article discussed the new album which will supposedly be titled "Hater". Along with all of the usual Soundgarden praising that takes place in articles about the band, it was reported that current productions were going much more rapidly than in the past. In other words, Soundgarden went into the studio, plugged their collective minds into some sort of terminal, and let the music flow. Let me preface my next statement by saying my friends have already severely chastised me for this dream: I would love for Soundgarden to release an acoustic based album, or to even go on that mangler of music, MTV, for its unplugged series. I can't quite put my finger on why, but I think it's because I want Soundgarden to reach a much wider audience, with their intelligent, well written music and be recognized for their talents. - -Matilucci ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Soundgarden Sexists? Regarding the Spin online thing Wednesday night. Those of you who think it demonstrates that they are sexist should not take it so seriously. I remember in an interview where Kim was asked about rock being a male dominated medium. His reply was "As it should be. Fuck, there's plenty of waitress jobs available". Kim was being facetious, he wasn't serious, but people thought he was. I suspect the same sort of thing was going on Wednesday night. ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Seth's page *is* better It's true. Seth's page *is* better than the one at Rocktropolis. I don't see why anyone at Silver management should be upset by someone saying that. Maybe the people there should take a look at Seth's page and hire him to do the official one. I know I would. :-) ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. Does anyone know how to tune the guitar to dropped D tuning? (Please in Laymens's terms) Also, is there anyone out there in webland that could maybe possibly transcribe incessant mace, smokestack lightning, and or fopp for some po' remedial amateur guitar-playin ramen eatin college student???? Curt ------------------------------ From: curtis wayne swedran Subject: Re: New disc What kind of fans are we???!!? All those who would like to see SG do some fucking cool acoustic renditions of there own and other cool songs should be e-mailing the shit out of MTV. Does anyone know the address? It's something w/ slave.com I know....... Curt ------------------------------ From: Star Killer Subject: Soundgardens age Someone said: >Soundgarden was formed in 1983, and Soundgarden would have been >soundgarden ragardless of weather or not Pearl Jam was ever formed. > Soundgarden was formed in 1985 Jon - -- Jon Hilgreen - Standard Disclaimer - PGP Key Available Upon Request! - PO Box 804, Buffalo, NY 142130804 - 716.441.4536 URL=http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~aa114 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: list reopens when? From: seth > Um, seth, could you let us know what day exactly you are coming back? > Cuz i'll be back January 8th so if you're back after that or a couple > days before that, everything will be cool. -j I knew I forgot to mention something when I sent the message about the list being shut down while I'm on vacation. As it gets closer to December 6, I will let everyone know when I plan to reopen the list. Sorry if this caused any confusion. seth (listadmin) ------------------------------ From: dallis@hq.walldata.com (Allis, Don) Subject: FW: The first and the last... I hope ---------- From: Allis, Don To: AMODEO SEBASTIEN; smo; somms Subject: RE: The first and the last... I hope Date: Thursday, November 16, 1995 2:22PM Yeah, lets debate on whether or not stupid people should be kicked in the head repeatedly!! ---------- From: AMODEO SEBASTIEN To: somms Subject: The first and the last... I hope Date: Thursday, November 16, 1995 1:45PM Hello SG fans everywhere... When I first compared PJ and SG, I didn't expect to see so many people respond. There are just a few things I wanted to say... 1) You can like any number of bands you want... Who says you have to listen to ONE kind of music anyways... 2) Personnal opinions are PERSONNAL... You don't have to swear at other people if they don't think the same way you do... 3) PJ and SG members are friends, and they would probably laugh at all the people who used all these nice words to describe eihter one of the bands (i.e. sucks cocks...!!!) 4) Well, that's it. Anyone else have an idea for an interesting debate? Sebastien ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from mail-host.walldata.com by msmail.walldata.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.7 for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1995Nov16.134538.1100.66583; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:45:38 -0800 Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by mail-host.walldata.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03695; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:45:07 -0800 Received: from cari.telecom.uqam.ca by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27344; Thu, 16 Nov 95 15:51:33 EST Received: from merlin.si.uqam.ca by cari.telecom.uqam.ca (4.1/SMI-4.2.1.pop NIS) id AA29877; Thu, 16 Nov 95 15:51:13 EST Message-Id: <9511162051.AA29877@cari.telecom.uqam.ca> Received: by merlin.si.uqam.ca (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA250595071; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:51:11 -0500 From: AMODEO SEBASTIEN Subject: The first and the last... I hope To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 15:51:11 EST In-Reply-To: <9511160732.AA22911@THE-GOOD.MIT.EDU>; from "somms@MIT.EDU" at Nov 16, 95 2:32 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] ------------------------------ From: NFFW05D@prodigy.com (MISS DANIELLE G WEGELIN) Subject: you all care i'm sure you all want to know this, but i am the uh, artist formerly known as minerva657...and also quite pissed off i missed the sg aol thing...grrrrr - --dani ------------------------------ Subject: the moment you've all been waiting for From: seth I finally got my ass in gear and began working on the Member Directory, so that everyone get an idea of who is reading your email when you send it to the list. For those of you who sent me real pictures, I haven't yet gotten a chance to scan them, but I will get to it soon. Everyone should be able to see this (I decided against tables and such), unless your browser doesn't support inline JPEGs (AOL's browser might not...). Use Netscape 1.1N or better and it will look fine. http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/list seth ------------------------------ From: Matthew Souza Subject: Re: Explanation why Pearl Jam sucks cock. On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, curtis wayne swedran wrote: > Does anyone know how to tune the guitar to dropped D tuning? (Please in > Laymens's terms) > Curt Curt and others interested, Dropped-D is simply tuning the low E string down to D. You can tune it by ear by pinning the low E string at the seventh fret and tuning it down until it sounds the same as the A string(that string right below the low E). In this tuning, your E5 power chord ---0--- can be played ---0--- (although it really isn't called E5 in ---2--- ---0--- ---2--- ---0--- ---x--- ---x--- ---x--- ---x--- ---x--- ---x--- that tuning, I think) It is convenient for playing power chords because you only need to use one finger to bar the strings. Hope that helps. Matthew. ------------------------------ From: NBAFan@gnn.com Subject: Re:MTV address MTV's address is MTVSlave@aol.com Now, e-mail the fuck out of them. This is the time that they begin prepping their schedules for the series of unpluggeds in the spring. Well, what are you waiting for? E-mail works 24 hours a day, every day. Send it!!!!!!!!! MTVSlave@aol.com Tell your friends!!!!!!!! WE WANT SOUNDGARDEN UNPLUGGED!!!!!!!! NOT ANOTHER MELISSA ETHERIDGE!!!!!!!!! >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:07:11 -0500 (EST) >From: curtis wayne swedran >Sender: cswedran@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu >To: Michael J Sharkey >cc: somms@MIT.EDU, tuttlew@alleg.edu >Subject: Re: New disc > >What kind of fans are we???!!? All those who would like to see SG do >some fucking cool acoustic renditions of there own and other cool songs >should be e-mailing the shit out of MTV. Does anyone know the address? >It's something w/ slave.com I know....... > > Curt ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: my wave hello. it must be pretty cool,seth, to have a major band like soundgarden notice you.when did you start this mailing list anyway? what college are you at and what is your major? anyway, i was listening to "temple of the dogs" today. isn't "say hello to heaven" one of the most beautiful songs ever created? what do you all think is the best song on superunknown? on badmotorfinger? oh,well,see y'all later. *************************************************************************** rest in peace shannon hoon *************************************************************************** p.s. get shelter's new one.."mantra"..you won't be disappointed. ------------------------------ From: an400097@anon.penet.fi Subject: Reasons why Pearl Jam does not suck cock I wish to remain anonymous, but here are a few reasons why Pearl Jam does not suck cock. 1. Eddie Vedder is married and his wife would get mad at him. 2. Mike McCready is a recovering alcoholic and complete celibacy is part of his rehabilitation. 3. Jeff Ament is 6'5" and is to tall to bend down that far. 4. Stone Gossard is too busy with masturbation to do any oral sex stuff. 5. Jack Irons is still trying to keep is energy at its peak because at night before he goes to bed he says to himself "One day i'll be as good as Neil Peart. Then i'll try to get as good as Matt Cameron." 6. Collectively, they couldn't suck cock anyway, b/c one cock would be a little difficult for everyone to get their mouths around at the same time. 7. Sucking cock has never been one of their song subjects. 8. If they did suck cock, they would still be touring via ticketmaster. (Or would that be kissin ass?) 9. Chris and Matt would never put together an album w/ three or four guys who suck cock. (Unless they got a few privileges out of it, of course) "You talk your shit, but i ain't listening. I don't do, your ass kissin. Now here's a point, that you've been missin, no f#$kin problem at all I've got, no f#$kin problem at all!!!!!!!!!" - -Suicidal Tendencies - --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse@anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help@anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin@anon.penet.fi ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 104] ****************************************