From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 16 Nov 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 02:32:32 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 16 Nov 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Unrelated: AIC Re: Unrelated: AIC Re: Pearl Spam Re: Temple To Seth (sorry I had to post to list) Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 Temple of the Dog (FUQ) Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Re: Pearl Spam Re: my humble offer... Re: IDIOTS Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Soundgarden and PJ Re: Another question. AIC Re: Wow. Re: Personal Taste Re: Pearl Spam Ignorance? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 Re: Pearl Spam Re: SG vs. PJ Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 re: alive in the pearl jam vs. soundgarden thingie Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 TOTD temple of the dog Re: Ignorance? soundgarden are way cooler than pearl jam Re: Temple Re: temple of the dog Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 Ultramega OK Re: Middleclass Fire-eaters Re: SG vs. PJ Re: Another question. Lollapalooza '92 sg on aol she likes squash lima bean wreck... Re: Pearl Spam form a square... ooops! AOL Pearl Jam Vs Soundgarden is a stupid thread... SETH!! SG TALKED ABOUT U!! Re: AOL Re: AOL Re: SETH!! SG TALKED ABOUT U!! AOL excerpts ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Nathan" Subject: Re: Unrelated: AIC > Hey, I want to get the new AIC album but I thought it was to be > released as a CD+. Am I wrong? Or are the SAP and JAR OF FLIES the only > albums released on CD+? Sorry to post this question here, but who else > do I ask? -Aaron > SAP and Jar of Flies are CD+? If so, whats on 'em? - -nathan ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Unrelated: AIC when did they release sap or jar of flies on CD+? i have jar of flies, and it isn't on CD+. i'm pretty sure that the new one is not on CD+, but it is well worth picking up. it does have some really good tunes on it. ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Pearl Spam On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: > > Pearl Jam sucks cock. It is the most boring band I have ever heard. There > lyrics and melodies are boring and cliched. Soundgarden do a thousand > times more interesting and musically challenging things in their songs > than Vedder and the crew could ever dream of. Pearl Jam is the arena-rock > "Steve Miller Band" of the 90's. > > mr. sellers, you are my hero. i thought i was the only one who thought that pearl jam really sucked. they're sell-outs too. eddie's whole "don't pay attention to me" thing only drew more attention to himself, plus their music doesn't have nearly what it did on ten (i seem to recognize your face? spin the black what?) ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com Subject: Re: Temple >> That is the address of the listserve for the "Mind Riot" mailing list -- >> devoted to Mother Love Bone, Sondgarden, Temple of the Dog, and Pearl Jam. >> For some reason, I suspect it does not exist anymore. I'm going to try it >> right now. I'll tell y'all what happens. >> >> Did I make a mistake? Oh I'm so sorry if I did. I haven't checked it >out yet due to lack of time. But let me know what you find out so I know >what it's all about. Anyway if it's bad or nonexistant I do apologize so >so much. >lee Nothing to be sorry about. That address was all I found in my own search. I found it on a list of mailing lists posted two years ago. And, as I suspected, my message to the address went unanswered. So...there are no resources for information on Temple of the Dog on the internet..._except this list_. (Or, possibly, the Pearl Jam list, although I would hate to endorse a Pearl Jam _anything_). There is also the bit by Seth on the web page -- discography -> side projects -> Temple of the Dog. What would you like to know? ------------------------------ From: PEE WEE'S JAMBI Subject: To Seth (sorry I had to post to list) My roomate Todd is from Chicago and while reading your Chicago Trib article on the Web Page, we found out the school that Kim and Hiro went to. Todd offered to go to the school while on Christmas break and hopefully #borrow# the pages from the year book that would be in the library and send them to you for the page. What do you think? Trying to be of use, Beyer Most people are so busy trying to control others they don't control themselves. =============================================================================== SatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataSatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataS =============================================================================== AL I VEIN THESU PER UNK N OWN - CHICKA JACKEEN AKA: LaMONT SANFORD GORDON SHUMWAY MAJOR HEILLY JERRY MATHERS ------------------------------ From: leej@mail.sdsu.edu (Jackie Lee) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 Pearl Jam Stinks!! They sound nothing like soundgarden!! They shouldn't even be compaerd!!! I personally hate Pearl Jam, but I love Soundgarden! ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com Subject: Temple of the Dog (FUQ) I'm glad you asked... The Unofficial Temple of the Dog FUQ (Frequently Unanswered Questions) 1.0 beta - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For personal use only -- do not use this as an authoritative reference, since much of it is probably wrong. Q: Where is the FAQ? A: There is no FAQ. This is the FUQ. Ok, ok, I guess I would be irresponsible not to mention that there is a section on Temple of the Dog in the Pearl Jam FAQ (*ugh*) which can be found at http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~galvin/faq.html (section 1.8). Another resource is mantained by the great Seth Perlman at http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/sides/, with links to a page of lyrics. Q: Who is (was) in Temple of the Dog? A: Christopher John Cornell: Vocals, harmonica, banjo and "founding member" Matt Cameron: Drums, percussion Stone Gossard: Rhythm, slide, and acoustic guitars Mike MacCready: Lead guitars Jeff Ament: Bass Rick Parashar (producer): Piano and organ Q: Wait a minute, isn't that Eddie Vedder singing on "I'm Going Hungry"? A: First, the song is called "Hunger Strike". Second, yes and no. Cornell sings the first iteration of the verse. Vedder sings the second iteration. They both sing the third. The chorus is sung by Vedder with Cornell screaming in the background. Vedder also sings background vocals on "Pushin' Forward Back", "Your Savior", and "Four Walled World". Q: What albums have they made? A: Their only album to date is the self-titled _Temple of the Dog_, released in early 1991. Because the band was formed, in a sense, for a specific purpose (see below), a followup is unlikely, but who knows? M.A.C.C. (essentially TOTD without Gossard) did "re"unite to record a cover of Hendrix' "Hey baby (land of the new rising sun)" on the 1994 _Stone Free_ compilation. (M.A.C.C.= MacCready, Ament, Cameron, Cornell). Q: Why did these guys get together and do an album? A: The short story is as follows: 1) Andrew Wood, singer of Mother Love Bone and friend/roommate of Chris Cornell, dies of a heroin overdose (Early 1990). 2) Cornell writes "Say Hello 2 Heaven" and "Reach Down" as a sort of eulogy to his friend. 3) Cornell records these songs, along with some others he has written, as a demo, playing all the instruments himself. 4) Cornell plays demo for friends and ex-Mother Love Bone members Gossard and Ament, along with Soundgarden bandmate Cameron. 5) They decide to record an album (Nov-Dec 1990) together as a memorial to Wood, asking MacCready and Vedder, new members of the nascent Pearl Jam (then known as "Mookie Blaylock") to join them for the project... For more detail, consult section 1.8 of the Pearl Jam (*shudder*) FAQ at http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~galvin/faq.html Q: Who wrote the songs on _Temple of the Dog_? A: All lyrics and music were written by Cornell, with the following exceptions: "Pushin' Forward Back" -- Music by Gossard and Ament; lyrics by Cornell. "Times of Trouble" -- Music by Gossard; lyrics by Cornell. Q: Where did they get that name? A: In the Mother Love Bone song "Man of Golden Words", Andrew Wood sings, "...seems like I've been living in the temple of the dog." I don't know what it means, but it makes a good band name. I see much of the album as an homage to Wood's style. Among other things, Wood had a penchant for using the word "dog" in his songs. Likewise, the word appears several times on _TOTD_ (eg., the song "Call me a Dog"). One obvious homage to Wood's work is the line "poor stargazer/she's got no tears in her eyes" in "Say Hello 2 Heaven", a clear reference to the Wood line "stargazer, you cry in blue..." in MLB's "Stargazer". Q: Is the album any good? A: Oh, yes indeed. Great, great, great album. Six stars out of five. Buy it now. Q: Are there any backwards Satanic messages on _TOTD_? A: The album is actually one long Satanic message, backwards and forwards. Also, "dog" spelled backwards is "god". (Hey, maybe _that's_ what it means). End FUQ - ------- That was fun. Now I have to go get a life... ------------------------------ From: Jovica Popovic Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Regarding The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Finally. After _5_ digests with mainly petty bickering and flames, a 'worthy' one... I am pleased... Keep it up and ignore the idiots... > From: AMODEO SEBASTIEN > Subject: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden > > What I have to say is simple: I feel Pearl Jam has more feeling in their > songs than do Soundgarden. I wouldn't go so far as saying that PJ has more feeling, and everyone who knows me on the list, knows that I really like PJ. It's just that PJ have a different kind of feeling... > This does NOT mean that I dislike SG, but in my opinion they rank second... Well... I really don't think I could say which is better. They're both great, but on a different plane. But, if I had to choose whose albums to take on a desert island, PJ would be the winners... > Why??? Well, PJ seems to be able to translate their emotions in more ways > than SG can, allthough SG did it quite well with the Superunknown album. That stands correct, IMHO. PJ hit you more personally than SG, at least that's the case with me. > Anyways, that's all I had to say... And I applaud you braveness... ------------------------------ > From: AMODEO SEBASTIEN > Subject: Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden > > of feelings fill you up, be it joy or sadness, or pain, etc... SG's > music, on the other hand, needs to be listened to a few times before you > can even begin to appreciate the subtleties in the music. Good point! I agree. Although, there are layers to PJ music, too. But, you can 'get away' without noticing them. It juststruck me a few days ago, how complex the guitars on Vitalogy are. And when I first heard the album, I was rather disappointed by the _lack_ of guitars... :-) - --- jpop@fly.cc.fer.hr --- Sit back and watch my divine spark flash... -- jovica.popovic@fer.hr -- Disclaimer: I didn't do it, nobody saw me do - Jovica Popovic - it, can't prove anything! ------------------------------ From: Neale Grant Subject: Re: Pearl Spam On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: > Pearl Jam sucks cock. It is the most boring band I have ever heard. There > lyrics and melodies are boring and cliched. Soundgarden do a thousand > times more interesting and musically challenging things in their songs > than Vedder and the crew could ever dream of. Pearl Jam is the arena-rock > "Steve Miller Band" of the 90's. Hey, wait a minute! That's well unfair to the Steve Miller Band, who at least write decent melodies and some quite amusing songs. PJ just suck. And to all those people who say: you can't compare the bands... watch me. it's all a matter of taste... depends whether you've got any. Liking Peral Jam makes me doubt it. you can't just like one band... you're right; I don't just like one band. In fact, it's more like I only *dislike* one band. Anyone care to guess which? Neale Neale Grant | Finger for GeekCode | neale.grant@univ.ox.ac.uk University College | The Quatermass Experiment is a top SF short story Oxford | diskmag: http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~univ0155/tqe.html OX1 4BH, UK | "I'm not fine, fuck pretending" - Alice In Chains ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: my humble offer... On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > >personally, i would like to see sg do some similar things on their > >next album...of course, they've done so many different things already > >that this would be a good trick (put `half', `i awake', and `fourth > >of july' on the same tape and try to convince people that it's the > >same band...) > How about this, > Beyond The Wheel, Fell On Black Days, and Jesus Christ > Pose on the same tape and try to convince people it's the > same band, >How about Exit Stonehenge, Smokestack Lighting, and Head Down? -j How about Mood for Trouble, Limo Wreck, Big Dumb Sex Clown aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: IDIOTS On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Heather Aston wrote: > To the asshole who wrote the original article: Put your money where your > mouth is. If you think everything on this list is such crap, why haven't you > posted anything about "relevant issues." It's a lot easier to spew crap like > yours than actually do something constructive. If you don't want to read the > list, get off of it. The rest of us don't want to waste our time reading what > you've written. Preach on, sister! ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 H.Parekh@exeter.ac.uk wrote: > how much is ultramega OK worth on blue vinyl? 20 Million Dollars (US funds, of course). ------------------------------ From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: Soundgarden and PJ Okay, okay... I know... despite all the voices of (in)sanity saying, "No, no no... don't compare these bands, they're both great!!", I'm gonna go ahead and toss in my buck fifty (the "two cents" thing is gettin' old... :)> )... Someone (Lee, I think..) mentioned something interesting, the jist of which was that someone (the original poster, me thinks) said that PJ was a more emotional band. Not true. Let me beat on PJ just a bit (I know... I'll try to be nice..). Forgive me, but this has bothered me. My example is "Better Man", a song with misguided tones. The song also annoys the hell out of me, but that is NOT the point (to each his own, right??). The song's lyrics are sad... it's about an abused wife (whether said abuse is physical or mental...). And yet, by the end of the song, one can picture Vedder and Co. bouncing joyfully around to the words "Can't find a better man!!" and shiny, happy music. Talk about mixed messages!!!! :)> My point (did I have one??) is this: SG does emotional. Well. Better than most bands. Better than Pearl Jam, I would argue. Whether you agree or not, at least let me argue my point. 1) "4th of July". Powerful. Haunting. Whether you like the tune or not (and how couldn't you?!?), it hits you like a sack of bricks. It sends chills up the spine. 2) The quiet-to-heavy crescendo climax of "Slaves and Bulldozers". Amazing piece of musical work, all around, but that point in particular. When everything kicks back in, above Chris' low, powerful voice, it's simply beautiful. 3) "Let Me Drown". In particular, the interlude, which comes out of nowhere, and features Chris singing such moving stuff as, "I feel the hurt surround me...". 4) "Like Suicide". Need I go further? :)> 5) "Kickstand". What "Spin the Black Circle" wishes it could be. 6) "Hands All Over". SG's lyrics at their most blatant, warning humanity about the damage it is performing on Mother Earth. The lyrics are BLACK AND WHITE. Easy reading. But still more amazing than most lyrics Vedder's ever written. Okay: to straighten this out. I'm not a blatant Jam hater. I loved Ten. Loved it (and I still think that "Deep" is simply remarkable...). I just think that the lyrical complexity, musicianship, and general emotional impact being attributed to Pearl Jam pale in comparison to those aspects of Soundgarden. I happen to think Kim outplays Mike on his best day... Mike, who seems to enjoy playing the same solo over and over again (the solo from "I Don't Know Anything" could easily be in a PJ song). I happen to think that Chris has a hell of a lot more range than Vedder (and a better voice, as well). And yes, I think Matt beats Irons hands-down (and it's not a PJ thing--Matt's always been better...). But, as many have pointed out, these thoughts are irrelevant, because everyone's entitled to their own opinions. But then... I'm also entitled to mine. :)> Didn't mean any offence; I hope this gave enuff reasons for my opinions to satisfy everyone. Thanks for reading, and best wishes, Glenn "All this time I swore I'd never be like my old man... What the hey, it's time to face exactly what I am...." --Alice In Chains, "Hate To Feel" ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: Another question. This is a question for Carolyn: How, exactly, does one go about eating fire? I've been trying (quite unsuccessfully, I might add) for years now. I like the way you change your MF signoff every time, but eating fire? ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: AIC Would someone who knows please respond - is it true that AIC's "Sap" is on a CD+ version? mike ------------------------------ From: Kelly Christa Jones Subject: Re: Wow. On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Jennifer C Graham wrote: > > > > (besides the pleas for bootlegs and CDs and stuff). What I mean is that > > for at least 5 years, I've been the only person I know who has liked > > Soundgarden. I had to practically beg my friends to go to their concert > > w/me. > > bye > > Kelly > > My friends hate it even when I just play a SG cd, never mind actually > going to a concert and having a good time with me. Should I still > consider them to be my friends? > Jenn > O, I totally agree with you. Every single one of my best friends dislikes my music. And I don't enjoy their Disney soundtracks and Oldies from the 50s, but they are still my best friends. I just would like someone (or two or three) to enjoy my music with me and this SG mailing list is a good way to meet others like me, OK? Kelly 8-) ------------------------------ From: Kelly Christa Jones Subject: Re: Personal Taste On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 u01gaa@abdn.ac.uk wrote: > I've been reading all these messages arguing who is better - Soundgarden > or Pearl Jam. What is the point in this? All this is totally subjective > to your personal tastes and in no way has any authority over who is the better > band. If this is merely to judge people's preferences, then why not set up a > survey for all users? > I am in total agreement! Also, people's tastes in music -are- allowed to fluctuate. I wouldn've picked Pearl Jam over Soundgarden so easily 4 years ago (when PJ was still a strange-named band). So who knows, maybe in another 4 years or whatever, you all will have your music preferences change. But really, a survey for all users? I would hope and expect that SG would win since this -is- a SG mailing list, right? ------------------------------ From: Kelly Christa Jones Subject: Re: Pearl Spam On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: > > > > > Pearl Jam sucks cock. It is the most boring band I have ever heard. There > > lyrics and melodies are boring and cliched. Soundgarden do a thousand > > times more interesting and musically challenging things in their songs > > than Vedder and the crew could ever dream of. Pearl Jam is the arena-rock > > "Steve Miller Band" of the 90's. > > > > > mr. sellers, you are my hero. i thought i was the only one who thought > that pearl jam really sucked. they're sell-outs too. eddie's whole "don't > pay attention to me" thing only drew more attention to himself, plus > their music doesn't have nearly what it did on ten (i seem to recognize > your face? spin the black what?) > Ok, I like SG better, but Pearl Jam isn't -that- bad. True, I did like PJ better before they were huge, but I don't think they sold out. But what really pissed me off about PJ was that they didn't seem to want to realize that they had a huge fan base after Ten. I wanted to see them really bad a few years ago in Cleveland, but they played the CSU Convocation Center. They sold out in, like, 18 minutes and they didn't even announce it until one hour before they went on sale. I really wished they would've played a bigger place or did 2 nights or something. Then I come to find out that stupid jock/assholes got tickets because they liked Jeremy. Whatever. ------------------------------ From: Vinnie Macchione Subject: Ignorance? I think we've finally found someone who can win the ignorance award of the century! This guy has a superb vocabulary =), absolutely no idea what he's talking about =), and probably the least emotional Freak we could ever hate to meet. Yeah, James!!!!!!! On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: > > Pearl Jam sucks cock. It is the most boring band I have ever heard. There > lyrics and melodies are boring and cliched. Soundgarden do a thousand > times more interesting and musically challenging things in their songs > than Vedder and the crew could ever dream of. Pearl Jam is the arena-rock > "Steve Miller Band" of the 90's. > > James, If you can think of anything intelligent to say, why don't you unsubscribe! Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are two great bands, with distinct sounds, if you don't like one or the other that's your opinion. Next time, support your opinion "Pearl Jam sucks cock." just doesn't do it. Vinnie P.S. Think before you speak!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Laura Klief Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 Take an English class and a typing class. It would be greatly appreciated! And by the way, Pearl Jam does not stink. If it wasn't for some of the members of Pearl Jam, there would not be a Soundgarden today. So you better rethink your views!! On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Jackie Lee wrote: > Pearl Jam Stinks!! They sound nothing like soundgarden!! They shouldn't > even be compaerd!!! I personally hate Pearl Jam, but I love Soundgarden! > > > ------------------------------ From: Laura Klief Subject: Re: Pearl Spam No wonder why you don't have good taste, just look at where you are living!! Maybe you have to be American to appreciate some of the good things that are offered in life, like Pearl Jam. By the way, since when is it Peral Jam and what the hell is cliched supposed to mean? Maybe you should learn how to write before you get your ass on the Internet. On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Neale Grant wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: > > > Pearl Jam sucks cock. It is the most boring band I have ever heard. There > > lyrics and melodies are boring and cliched. Soundgarden do a thousand > > times more interesting and musically challenging things in their songs > > than Vedder and the crew could ever dream of. Pearl Jam is the arena-rock > > "Steve Miller Band" of the 90's. > > Hey, wait a minute! That's well unfair to the Steve Miller Band, who at > least write decent melodies and some quite amusing songs. PJ just suck. > > And to all those people who say: > you can't compare the bands... watch me. > it's all a matter of taste... depends whether you've got any. Liking > Peral Jam makes me doubt it. > you can't just like one band... you're right; I don't just like one > band. In fact, it's more like I only *dislike* one band. Anyone care to > guess which? > > Neale > > Neale Grant | Finger for GeekCode | neale.grant@univ.ox.ac.uk > University College | The Quatermass Experiment is a top SF short story > Oxford | diskmag: http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~univ0155/tqe.html > OX1 4BH, UK | "I'm not fine, fuck pretending" - Alice In Chains > > ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: SG vs. PJ OK. I now have enough "My $.02" messages in my inbox to buy that new Pentium I wanted for Christmas. It's obvious there are a lot of people who like PJ out there, and there are a lot of people who think they suck various body appendages... Personally, I think it's time to move on to another subject. Please, can we drop this thread and move on to something else? Maybe something like Chicken Fajitas vs. Bean Burritos or something... Greg ****************************************** *** Sieze the day. *** *** Pull the trigger. Drop the blade. *** *** And watch the rolling heads. *** ****************************************** *** greg@sfa.com *** ****************************************** ------------------------------ From: Erica Leigh Bankston Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 I personally think that Soundgarden and Pearl Jam together would rock the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: re: alive in the pearl jam vs. soundgarden thingie i have been reading for the past few days about this ridiculous debate pitting pj against soundgarden. i am a huge fan of both bands. why are some of you so insistant on trashing pj? hey,guess what? pearl jam is a fuckin good band and so is soundgarden. how can you say that pj has no feeling in their songs? listen to "nothingman" off of vitology for one strong example of what i mean. to just blast pj without backing it up, seems inane at best.on another note, someone wrote that matt cameron is doing some work for the seattle band "seaweed".if anyone has ANY info concerning this,let me know. also i heard that soundgarden has a song on the "basketball diaries" soundtrack.if anyone has any info on that,also let me know. Vince Varkey at the university of texas at dallas ************************************************************************ hello..don't you know me...i'm the dirt beneath your feet...... i wallowed in the blood and mud with all the other pigs.i learned that i was alive...from the MAN ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ From: Philip Fetters Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Laura Klief wrote: > If it wasn't for > some of the members of Pearl Jam, there would not be a Soundgarden > today. So you better rethink your views!! > Um, actually that's the other way around.. -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: "KIRSCHNER JEFFREY" Subject: TOTD Who ever said that TOTD is a depressing album, I feel, is slightly misguided. In my opinion, TOTD is an extremely hopeful album. The intent of the album was to take a trtagic event, this being Andrew Wood's suicide and to make something good out of it. The album doesn't wallow on his death, but instead offers solutions and hope for those who are affected by life's problems. The song "Times of Trouble", could not be more hopeful, as it tells the listeners to stand strong in the face of adversity, and rise above your problems. Don't let anybody ever let you down, the song says, but rather, be strong since things will always get better if you let them. I love the album because it shows a different side of Chris Cornel, a more loose, relaxed, and hopeful sound. I strongly feel that if Andrew Wood would have listened to the album before he died, what happened to him would never have happened. Just my opinion. JEFF ------------------------------ Subject: temple of the dog From: Shana M Darling probably no one is interested in my personal experience with temple of the dog, but if not, just hit that delete key now. i just felt the need to share. the first time i heard hunger strike, i was trying to cheer up a friend who had just lost her boyfriend in a motorcycle accident. she was crying and upset, and then hunger strike came on the radio. i heard it and it sounded really excellent. i could recognize vedder and cornell's voice and i realized who it was, because i had heard of them. but i didn't want to interrupt my friend who was pouring her heart out to me to say,"hey, do you hear that? it kicks ass!" then all of a sudden, she stopped crying and looked at me and she says,"is that the temple of the dog song playing? it kicks ass! turn it up." and she felt better and we rushed out to the music store to get it. whenever i hear that song, i think of her. more recently, i had to repurchase the cd because i lost it on the move to college. the day i did, this guy i really had a crush on decided to come over and my roommate says, "that new cd of yours kicks ass." he says, "what is it?" i say temple of the dog. his eyes light up and he says,"wow that cd brings back good memories. want to put it on?" i pop it in the cd player and we listened to the whole thing, over and over, and just talked. it seemed like every song was speaking to us. every time a new song came on and the lyrics were appropriate to us, we both realized it at the same time and looked at each other and laughed. by the time all night thing came on, the sun was actually coming up and we weren't talking anymore, we were just staring at each other, like we had been struck by cupid's bow. ten months later, and we are still going out and very much in love. and every time i hear all night thing, i think of the night we fell in love. okay, mushy and sentimental, i know, but those lyrics really do something to you. shana ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen <"Chicka Jackeen"@email.unc.edu> Subject: Re: Ignorance? > Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are two great bands, with distinct > sounds, if you don't like one or the other that's your opinion. Next > time, support your opinion "Pearl Jam sucks cock." just doesn't do it. This is a good point. To all you people who say that Pearl Jam sucks, please give a little bit of evidence. I'm getting tired of seeing people saying things when it seems like they are just jumping on a bandwagon and trying to be cool instead of having their own thought formed opinions. I've heard people before say Nirvana sucks. I don't agree, but a lot of those people gave good reasons, like the fact that Dave Grohl was a strictly 4/4 drummer or the fact that a lot of the guitarwork was very simple. Now you can not, if you know anything about music, call Pearl Jam's music simple. It's just not true. Also, you people should realize something. Now that anti commercial boys don't make videos and eMpTyV has a hard time making any money off of them and the fact that ticketmaster tries their hardest to keep PJ from touring, THEY (the big companies, media, etc.) want everyone to hate Pearl Jam, for two reasons. To try to force pj into making money for them once again, and to discourage other bands from doing similar things to what pj has done. Oh yeah, i forgot: i wonder why i've never heard any one say sg sucks at any time ever? Maybe cuz i'm 6'3" and they fear the ensuing fistfight afterwards? -j ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: soundgarden are way cooler than pearl jam On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 samm@mail.usa1.com wrote: > No contest. Even five on four. > > Ament may be a bit of a problem, he's pretty beefy. But I think Kim could > take him out. (What is Kim, about 6'3", 210?) Chris and Ben could take care > of the rest. Vedder would standing by the side, protesting all the > senseless violence so characteristic of Western culture. So Matt could hold > him down, saving precious Eddie for last, while the other three pummel him > shitless. I say a quick twenty minutes of basketball would sort everything out, even if the soundgarden boys could only get a team of four together. matt could play the point, chris at the two, kim at small forward and ben could play centre. the only guy they would really have to guard is jeff (he hung out with dennis rodman once, so he might know a thing or two). other than that - soundgarden 47, pearl jam 3. but seriously, I think that soundgarden are a more musically proficient band then pearl jam. and not just because they write intricate and complex songs. I like chris' voice over eddie's, and matt could out-drum jack irons with only one arm and his tongue wrapped around his head. and if you compare their most recent and respective albums, superunknown beats the hell out of that sorry vitalogy (even though there are three or so good songs on that one, too). all in all, I think pearl jam understand this :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: Temple On Wed, 15 Nov 1995 samm@mail.usa1.com wrote: > >> That is the address of the listserve for the "Mind Riot" mailing list -- > >> devoted to Mother Love Bone, Sondgarden, Temple of the Dog, and Pearl Jam. > >> For some reason, I suspect it does not exist anymore. I'm going to try it > >> right now. I'll tell y'all what happens. > >> > >> Did I make a mistake? Oh I'm so sorry if I did. I haven't checked it > >out yet due to lack of time. But let me know what you find out so I know > >what it's all about. Anyway if it's bad or nonexistant I do apologize so > >so much. > >lee > > Nothing to be sorry about. That address was all I found in my own search. I > found it on a list of mailing lists posted two years ago. And, as I > suspected, my message to the address went unanswered. > > So...there are no resources for information on Temple of the Dog on the > internet..._except this list_. (Or, possibly, the Pearl Jam list, although > I would hate to endorse a Pearl Jam _anything_). There is also the bit by > Seth on the web page -- discography -> side projects -> Temple of the Dog. > > What would you like to know? > >I just wanted to know anything that I don't know already. Nothing in particular but I'm a TOTD junckie. So if there is anything you can tell me about them, send it on here or write me personally at lee@frontier.wilpaterson.edu thanks very much lee > ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: temple of the dog This is the best story! (If Mike Travers reads this he should now know what I was talking about.) On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Shana M Darling wrote: > probably no one is interested in my personal experience with temple of the dog, > but if not, just hit that delete key now. i just felt the need to share. the > first time i heard hunger strike, i was trying to cheer up a friend who had just > lost her boyfriend in a motorcycle accident. she was crying and upset, and then > hunger strike came on the radio. i heard it and it sounded really excellent. i > could recognize vedder and cornell's voice and i realized who it was, because i > had heard of them. but i didn't want to interrupt my friend who was pouring her > heart out to me to say,"hey, do you hear that? it kicks ass!" then all of a > sudden, she stopped crying and looked at me and she says,"is that the temple of > the dog song playing? it kicks ass! turn it up." and she felt better and we > rushed out to the music store to get it. whenever i hear that song, i think of > her. > > more recently, i had to repurchase the cd because i lost it on the move to > college. the day i did, this guy i really had a crush on decided to come over > and my roommate says, "that new cd of yours kicks ass." he says, "what is it?" > i say temple of the dog. his eyes light up and he says,"wow that cd brings back > good memories. want to put it on?" i pop it in the cd player and we listened > to the whole thing, over and over, and just talked. it seemed like every song > was speaking to us. every time a new song came on and the lyrics were > appropriate to us, we both realized it at the same time and looked at each other > and laughed. by the time all night thing came on, the sun was actually coming > up and we weren't talking anymore, we were just staring at each other, like we > had been struck by cupid's bow. ten months later, and we are still going out > and very much in love. and every time i hear all night thing, i think of the > night we fell in love. > > okay, mushy and sentimental, i know, but those lyrics really do something to you. > > shana > ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 >Take an English class and a typing class. It would be greatly >appreciated! And by the way, Pearl Jam does not stink. If it wasn't for >some of the members of Pearl Jam, there would not be a Soundgarden >today. So you better rethink your views!! Soundgarden was formed in 1983, and Soundgarden would have been soundgarden ragardless of weather or not Pearl Jam was ever formed. I think soundgarden owes more to Skinyard breaking up so they could get Matt Cameron as a drummer then they do to Pearl Jam. Soundgarden has survived through various Pearl Jam incarnations, Green River, Mother Love Bone , Mookie Blaylock and Finally Pearl Jam. Soundgarden had already released 2 Ep's and Two Lp's gone on an a world tour been nominated for a grammy and had a record certified gold. Before Mr vedder decided to stop fighting earthquakes and move to seattle. In fact when Temple of the dog was recorded Pearl Jam had not evern recorded Ten yet. I don't think that they even had a record deal. Lastly this list is not full of Bhs top fourty kids who would eat shit if so ordered by Chris Cornell the people on this list love soundgarden and they're music. They are not going to start endorsing Pearl Jam just because Matt and Jeff Ament are seen bowling together some friday night. I cannot stand Pearl Jam, I found them boring and eddie vedder overly pretentious, and I do think his songs are kind of cliched. I do love soundgarden and even if Chris has listned to Pearl Jam nonstop since the ten days, I am not going to listen to them. Clown ------------------------------ From: James A Sellers Subject: Ultramega OK Although Superunknown and Badmotorfinger are kickass albums, Ultramega OK is the absolute best. I say this because the riff work is some of the most original stuff that any band has ever produced. Listen to songs like Beyond the Wheel, Head Injury, Incessant Mace, etc and you see what I mean. Oh and by the way, if you ever are in a sad/depressed mood, play Mood for Trouble and then Like Suicide in a row. It's the best combination, and makes you feel good about yourself again. - -Jim ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Middleclass Fire-eaters Milkman wrote: >This is a question for Carolyn: How, exactly, does one go about eating >fire? I've been trying (quite unsuccessfully, I might add) for years >now. I like the way you change your MF signoff every time, but eating fire? Aaah, now, Milkman Mike............you should know by now that I am a fire-eater from way back. That's why any flames sent on this Somms list will never harm me - I can consume them in the wink of an eye!! ;-) Besides, don't you know Black Hole Sun is really about eating the warm FLAMES, tired friend, times are gone for honest men?? Yes, it was the Soundgarden boys who taught me to eat flames......... Carolyn the Meek Fashion-setter ****************************************************** Boiling heat, summer stench; 'neath the black the sky looks dead.... Steal the warm wind, tired friend; times are gone for honest men.... ****************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Matthew Souza Subject: Re: SG vs. PJ On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Greg Bensimon wrote: > > Personally, I think it's time to move on to another subject. Please, can we > drop this thread and move on to something else? Maybe something like > Chicken Fajitas vs. Bean Burritos or something... Thank Goodness, finally a universal topic. Personally, I find Bean Burritos to be more like Bach in that they are linear, more straight-forward. Chicken Fajitas on the other hand lean more towards Mozart. Both have something to offer and should be contrasted rather than compared. Matthew. ------------------------------ From: teeger@mail.utexas.edu (Krissy) Subject: Re: Another question. >Ok, with 400 people on this list, i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one >who liked sg before Badmotorfinger, not that that is terribly important, >but in my following question, it is. Does anybody have any SG t-shirts >that are pre-BMF? and also, if you have any ideas >where i could possibly find one of these, let me know!!!!! >aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist >aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! >***************************************************************************** >"I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden >"Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement Hey... I own a black Louder than Love T-shirt that has the album cover on the front in black, white and yellow. On the back it says LOUDER THAN @#!* (I didn't censor the message, that's what it says :)) I've also seen one or two other pre-Badmotorfinger T-shirts but it was a few years back. My friend had a white one that said SOUNDGARDEN around the bottom edge in black and it had that old design on it that looks kind of like an "s"...oh, it's too hard to explain! I found my LTL shirt in a record store in '92. Krissy ------------------------------ From: gfox@csc.uvic.ca (Greg Fox) Subject: Lollapalooza '92 "Eric G. Lanning" wrote >Also, I have come across two other SG imports, "Lollapalooza '92" and I have this import. It is pretty good. Most of the songs off it are from Badmotorfinger. The sound quality is pretty good for a live concert. The band even does a wicked rendition of Cop Killer (Ice-T song). There is a bit of talking between songs, and Chris even has a little fuin with the crowd. Here is the song line up. Face Pollution Outshined Gun Jesus Christ Pose Cop Killer Hands All Over Rusty Cage Slaves and Bulldozers The running time is just over 48 minutes, and the cd has a picture of Chris's face platered across it. On the whole, if you get the chance to but it, I highly recommend it. Greg ================================================================== |Greg Fox Its not the truth I see| |CSCU Extra Curricular Co-ordinator It's just a mockery| |http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~gfox -Hole| - ------------------------------------------------------------------ That damn polyphasic frog rototillered my beets again! ------------------------------ Subject: sg on aol From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (Nancy E Phend) I logged on to AOL for the first time today. Just signed up for the Soundgarden online event. I was in the SPIN Lounge waiting for 9:00pm to come around and the stupid service knocked me out completely and told me that I could not log back on until at least 9:45pm! I can't believe it! I called my brother-in-law to see if he got on and he said he never could even get logged on but he also got the message that no logons until at least 9:45pm. What a crock. No wonder everyone hates AOL. If anyone was lucky enough to get on and stay on please share what happens. Thanks. Pissed Soundgarden Fan ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: she likes squash On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Andreia Clay wrote: > ever played is violin). I've always thought of PJ as completely > non-linear, lyrically and musically. Noone really seems to be playing a > definite melody and the instruments must hang together as a whole- Eddie > meaning. In addition the drums and bass don't seem to be playing typical > rythm lines. The best analogy I can make is to the Grateful Dead (sorry! > :-) who only really have their rythm guitarist playing rythm and > everybody else is harmony or melody., including the drummers. Actually I kind of disagree here with you andreia. pearl jam's music, while not a piece of piss (if you'll excuse my french), is pretty basic. not basic as in ho hum, but basic compared to that wonderful band soundgarden. I think that it mostly comes down to time signatures (me being a very part-time drummer). I agree that pearl jam's stuff is kind of complex in that each musician is doing his own thing, and that is probably attributable to jeff and stone, who like to mess around. but if you look at songs like jeremy, whipping and animal, everything is pretty much played right down the line. everyone is strumming down on the same beat, and the rhythm isn't very quirky at all. > SG on the otherhand is very linear, although they do get way out there. > The lyrics, by and large have an understandable linear narrative, and the I've always thought that pearl jam lyrics were much more easlily deciphered than soundgarden's. without reading about a bunch of their stuff, I'm not sure that I would understand much of the meaning of many soundgarden songs, even though the sentiment is obvious :) on the other hand, pearl jam's lyrics are for the most part understandable, and it's usually eddie railing against some injustice, like people buying his albums. > guitar mainly has the lead with Chris' voice being the melody. I'm not > saying it is less complex, just more linear. Chris voice seems to slow > the music down, he sings like he has all the time in the world, which I > think gives SG a dark, mellow sound, even when they are rocking out. back to time signatures, and that wonderful enigma known as matt cameron. what do you mean by linear? I'd argue that with the amount of time changes and stuff like that, it would be difficult to paint soundgarden as being very linear. take my wave for example. the first time I heard that chorus, it came out of nowhere. it wasn't obvious at all, unlike truly 'linear' bands like aerosmith and motleycrue, where you know *exactly* what's coming next. I guess it is the complexity and emotion of soundgarden that draws me to them, ever since I got hooked by rusty cage, slave & bulldozers and drawing flies. and while pearl jam have plenty of emotion, they just don't seem to channel it in a direction I like that much. > Chris has an amazing range also but his voice is darker, more "velvety" > if you will :-) (Just listen to him say "Oh yeah" in Outshined!) > I always think of Eddie as somehow being angelic, pure and filled with > moralistic angst- Chris is darker, more cynical, and turns everything I do agree with what you have to say here. chris *makes* soundgarden darker and gloomier than pearl jam. chris sings in fell on black days about how things looked good to start with, but then it everything turns to shit and wants to destroy him, a very alice in chains-type perspective. meanwhile, when eddie wants to sing about sadness, it's either someone else's sadness (nothingman, jeremy, wma), or he ties it in with his big hangup over fame and fortune (blood, not for you, immortality, corduroy). even when he writes about his troubles with his mum and stepdad (and I'm not laying shit on him for singing his mind), rearviewmirror and betterman just don't seem to be the real tear-jerkers or depressing songs that they could be. I guess in the end, you'd have to say that I vote for soundgarden :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: lima bean wreck... On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Philip Fetters wrote: > > If it wasn't for > > some of the members of Pearl Jam, there would not be a Soundgarden > > today. So you better rethink your views!! > > > Um, actually that's the other way around.. -j I'm not sure that either is right. what did soundgarden do to get pearl jam together? stone and jeff were always together, and they met mike at a party. eddie got the job through jack irons. and soundgarden were around way before pearl jam brought out ten. so how did anybody have anything to do with it? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Pearl Spam On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Kelly Christa Jones wrote: > On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, James A Sellers wrote: > > > > > > > > Pearl Jam sucks cock. It is the most boring band I have ever heard. There > > > lyrics and melodies are boring and cliched. Soundgarden do a thousand > > > times more interesting and musically challenging things in their songs > > > than Vedder and the crew could ever dream of. Pearl Jam is the arena-rock > > > "Steve Miller Band" of the 90's. > > > > > > > > mr. sellers, you are my hero. i thought i was the only one who thought > > that pearl jam really sucked. they're sell-outs too. eddie's whole "don't > > pay attention to me" thing only drew more attention to himself, plus > > their music doesn't have nearly what it did on ten (i seem to recognize > > your face? spin the black what?) > > > Ok, I like SG better, but Pearl Jam isn't -that- bad. True, I did like > PJ better before they were huge, but I don't think they sold out. But > what really pissed me off about PJ was that they didn't seem to want to > realize that they had a huge fan base after Ten. I wanted to see them > really bad a few years ago in Cleveland, but they played the CSU > Convocation Center. They sold out in, like, 18 minutes and they didn't > even announce it until one hour before they went on sale. I really > wished they would've played a bigger place or did 2 nights or something. > Then I come to find out that stupid jock/assholes got tickets because > they liked Jeremy. Whatever. > > even just after ten came out, i was never a really big fan. i got lucky when they came to play crisler arena here at UM, and i got hold of enough tickets to -ahem- make a little profit, so i went. they were great live. they only played like two songs i didn't like, and then a few days later they did that live radio broadcast which i also thought was really cool. then they came out with versus and whatever that other album is called, trilogy or whatever. vitalogy. i hated both of them. i guess i didn't really mean sell out in the classic sense, but they didn't remain true to their fan base, just like you said. they changed their music style. actually, they kind of went the way of guns 'n' roses in an abstract sense. very abstract. what i mean to say is that it was kind of like eddie lost his anger, and starting writing about vinyl records and pellet guns and stuff. axl did the same thing. GNR used to be really awesome live, but if you compare concerts then and now, axl went from totally pissed off (which is cool) to a pompous ass. see the similarity? then eddie goes and complains about his fame. didn't george michael do that a few years ago? i have never heard chris complain about his fame, on either side of the coin. and he still sounds pissed off ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: form a square... On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > Soundgarden was formed in 1983, and Soundgarden would have been > soundgarden ragardless of weather or not Pearl Jam was ever formed. > I think soundgarden owes more to Skinyard breaking up so they could sorry clown, but I have to disagree. soundgarden owes more to the centre for disease control boys. without their hard work, courage and enthusiasm, soundgarden could never have become the band they are now. soundgarden followed the blueprint formed by the disease boys, and simply improved on it. those boys wrote some good tunes :) so forget soundgarden shirts and hats, and bring on the soundgarden overalls :) ------------------------------ From: DanaBT@aol.com Subject: ooops! Sorry to post again, but I forgot to ask if anyone got the download that they were talking about, the one with the password "soundgarden sux"? If so, what is it (picture, text)? ------------------------------ From: DanaBT@aol.com Subject: AOL Okay, Seth, Moon, Tonerkins, Mercancia and anyone else who watched the proceedings, Laschmook was Hiro, right? Who was the other "guest"? I know they answered two of Mercancia's questions but did anyone else "talk" to them? I'm still surprised that noone asked if Kim was a woman previously. You were probably right Moon, I think the questions were edited and if it didn't relate to the new cd, it wasn't posted. ------------------------------ From: Avatar Subject: Pearl Jam Vs Soundgarden is a stupid thread... Personally, I don't give a shit about who's better. There's no way of measuring it, it's just a matter of personal taste... so all you morons who can't see far enough past your own dick to appreciate the finer qualities of a band OTHER THAN SOUNDGARDEN should keep their badly written "Pearl Jam sux cock etc..." messages to themselves. The other morons who think that Soundgarden sux and some other band is the greatest shouldn't be on this list in the first place. I'm sure there are many others on this list who are sick of the endless raving about this sort of thing. - - Avatar, who is sick of the endless piles of excrement filling his mailbox. ------------------------------ From: SHROOMGRL1@aol.com Subject: SETH!! SG TALKED ABOUT U!! Wow... the AOL thing was cool, or so I heard. I couldn't get on earlier either. But I heard that they said that your home page (or whatever) was better than the official one, Seth!!! Totally fucking cool!!! I know that alot of people didn't get in, but Spin will have transcripts of the interview available for download. I don't think that it'll be very informative, though. People ask some pretty fucking stupid questions... "What's your favorite beer?" Who cares about the beer!!! What's their home phone numbers?!?!?! Just kidding...(no I'm not). But anyway, I just wanted to say "Damn AOL straight to hell for shitty service" and "Cornell is God". Suzie "You hide your eyes... but the ugly truth just loves to give it away..." ------------------------------ Subject: Re: AOL From: seth > Okay, Seth, Moon, Tonerkins, Mercancia and anyone else who watched the > proceedings, Laschmook was Hiro, right? Who was the other "guest"? I know > they answered two of Mercancia's questions but did anyone else "talk" to > them? I'm still surprised that noone asked if Kim was a woman previously. You > were probably right Moon, I think the questions were edited and if it didn't > relate to the new cd, it wasn't posted. I totally forgot about it until about 10PM, and by that time, I think the band was gone. The chat room was just filled with random bullshit, with the occasional question being answered by SpinMC. Steve (some of you should remember Steve, and some of you real old-timers might remember him as JunkGunF) said he was logging some of it, and that he would email it to me as soon as he edited it. When it arrives, I'll put it on the Web page and let you know where to find it. seth ------------------------------ From: PEE WEE'S JAMBI Subject: Re: AOL Wouldn't it be great if Hiro came back for the next album. 2 bass players would be an innovative idea (even if it's a one shot). I personally like Shepard better. Has any band ever used two bassists? $.02 ==> Wow this Pearl Jam vs. Soundgarden thing is boring. Who cares? Not me. If you like them, good, if not, good. From a lyrical point, it is very hard to explicate a Pearl Jam song. Too straight forward. They tell stories almost, rather than poems (ie. Jeremy, Elderly Woman . . ., Better Man). I don't claim to be able to define poetry, but I know this= One of the qualities of Great Poetry is a sense of Universiality. Robert Frost was the master of this. All his poems are about 2 very different things, and a good case can be made for each. Soundgarden writes like this. I remember reading someone thought that "Like Suicide" was written for a pet canary that got loose in a house and died by flying into a window. That is the most beautiful interpetation I have ever heard for it. Obviously, alot of people read it straight forward. (look at Slaves -n- Bulldozers). It always reassures me of the people on this list when I read a message like, "Take a look at such and such a song, I think it means this, What do you think". I have read some very creative intrepretations. Soundgarden definitely focus more on the individual's imagination. Pearl Jam tells a good (really) short story. I don't think it makes on band lyrically better, just different, and thank God they are not the same. Enjoy the difference. With that said= Try to explicate a story. You can't. Stories are straightforward and what is so bad about that? It's just more fun to let your imagination go wild. And that's why I like Soundgarden better. And it's delusional to think any of you really care. A lonely college student, Beyer P.S. Sorry if you read that all. Most people are so busy trying to control others they don't control themselves. =============================================================================== SatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataSatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataS =============================================================================== AL I VEIN THESU PER UNK N OWN - CHICKA JACKEEN AKA: LaMONT SANFORD GORDON SHUMWAY MAJOR HEILLY JERRY MATHERS On Wed, 15 Nov 1995 DanaBT@aol.com wrote: > Okay, Seth, Moon, Tonerkins, Mercancia and anyone else who watched the > proceedings, Laschmook was Hiro, right? Who was the other "guest"? I know > they answered two of Mercancia's questions but did anyone else "talk" to > them? I'm still surprised that noone asked if Kim was a woman previously. You > were probably right Moon, I think the questions were edited and if it didn't > relate to the new cd, it wasn't posted. > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SETH!! SG TALKED ABOUT U!! From: seth > Wow... the AOL thing was cool, or so I heard. I couldn't get on earlier > either. But I heard that they said that your home page (or whatever) was > better than the official one, Seth!!! Totally fucking cool!!! I know that > alot of people didn't get in, but Spin will have transcripts of the interview > available for download. I don't think that it'll be very informative, > though. People ask some pretty fucking stupid questions... "What's your > favorite beer?" Who cares about the beer!!! What's their home phone > numbers?!?!?! Just kidding...(no I'm not). But anyway, I just wanted to say > "Damn AOL straight to hell for shitty service" and "Cornell is God". Well, SG didn't actually mention our Web page...one of the SPIN hosts brought it up. The conversation, for those of you who weren't there (this is from Steve's log), went something like this (SPINaps was asking the approved questions from the fans, SowndGardn was Chris and Kim, and SPINmc was the host): SPINaps: Do you guys have plans to do any more multimedia projects after SPINaps: the release of your CD+? SowndGardn: We have a web site. SPINmc: SOUNDGARDEN fans have AN UNOFFICIAL WORLD WIDE WEB SITE. After SPINmc: the SPINonline Conference, and ONLY after you thoroughly EXPLORE E SPINmc: SPINONLINE AREA, you are permitted to browse the following URL: SPINmc: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/. SPINmc: It's run by Soundgarden fan and web-man, Seth Perlman -- Seth: You SPINmc: rock the SPINmc: Web, my man! -- and is way better than the official site, which s SPINmc: at http://Rocktropolis.com/Soundgarden/. And I wasn't even there to see it live! When I eventually did log on, I asked SPINmc privately if the band had shown up, and the conversation went like this: SPINmc: Yeah, they did... I wanted to tell you that you have a great web site. Saperl: thanks -- i really appreciate it. SPINmc: It's outstanding. I used it for research. Saperl: what type of research? SPINmc: for the conference He later revealed to me that Silver Management wasn't too thrilled that he said our Web page was better than the official site. The website would be nothing without YOUR contributions, so keep them coming. thanks everyone. seth ------------------------------ Subject: AOL excerpts From: seth Apparently, the entire event transcript will be available next week, at which time I will get it and put it on the Web page for all to enjoy. For now, here are some excerpts from the log that Steve sent me, which I think might interest some of you... SPINaps: did this CD+ experience make you guys more "cyber?" are you online much? SowndGardn: I don't think it really did. It's kind of a fun teen thing to do. Question: Do the lyrics you write come spur of the moment or do you sit down and work on them? SowndGardn: Both, really. SPINaps: What's the deal with the "Jerry Garcia's Finger" recording. SowndGardn: (burping in the background) SPINaps: Sorry about the cut there. SowndGardn: The day we recorded the jam versions of the CD+.. SowndGardn: were the same days that the Grateful Dead were playing in Seattle... SowndGardn: Several GD fans sat behind our rehearsal space and made a lot of noise all day... SowndGardn: so then we robbed Jerry Garcia's grave... SowndGardn: and we stole his finger... SowndGardn: and put it in a mason jar... SowndGardn: and we've been arguing ever since as to whether he's left handed. [***This question was asked by Steve! (JunkGunF)***] Question: what songs (titles) are included on the CD-plus? SPINmc: Anagrams for SOUNDGARDEN Invented by weird fan Chris MacKenzie: SPINmc: 1.Sudden Groan SPINmc: 2.Dread No Guns SPINmc: 3.Dung Ned's Oar SPINmc: 4.Raged Dunnos SPINmc: 5.Under Gonads (Chris' favorite) SPINmc: 6.Nude Dogs Ran SPINmc: 7.Egad! Nun's Rod! SPINmc: 8.Nude Dragons SPINmc: (From the annals of the SOUNDGARDEN newsgroup) SowndGardn: "She Likes Surprises"...an acoustic version of "Like Suicide" SowndGardn: The vidoe version of... SowndGardn: "Fell On Black Days"... SowndGardn: "Superunknown"... SowndGardn: and on the audio version only is "Jerry Garcia's Finger". Question: DC ASKS, "IS KIM'S BEARD REAL OR DID HE BUY IT?" SowndGardn: (laughter) SowndGardn: DC, go shoot some guns or drive your jeep or something... SowndGardn: DC..how is WHite Zombie doing...P.S. You're fired. Question: Chris- what do your necklaces symbolize? SowndGardn: The end of humanity and all of mankind as we know it. SPINaps: Has Bill Gates approached management about purchasing Soundgarden? How much would you go for? SowndGardn: He hasn't approached us... SPINmc: Soundgarden 95! SowndGardn: but we took a flight from Germany with him and I threw peanuts into his open mouth. SowndGardn: We're already the house band for Microsoft (tm). SPINaps: What impact has the governemt shutdown had on the recording of your new album? SowndGardn: We have ceased to a grinding halt... SowndGardn: But it has given us more time... SowndGardn: to collect guns... SowndGardn: cash in our Medicare checks.. SowndGardn: And rewrite the grant so we can get more rock funding. Question: Is everything going to CD+ format now??? SowndGardn: Hopefully not. SowndGardn: We're musicians... SowndGardn: we make records. SowndGardn: First and foremost. Question: What is your faverite type of BEER? Jason, Yakima WA SowndGardn: Whatever someone else pays for. Question: After the CD+, what's next....a line of Soundgarden action figures? SowndGardn: Anatomically correct action figures... SowndGardn: and we're gonna make a female soundgarden figure without a head... SowndGardn: also anitomically correct. Question: KT, I saw you at an M's game next to Mrs. Diaz. Nice seat-did a diamond girl get you those? SowndGardn: I was sitting next to Jay Buhner's wife...and in front of Mrs. Sojo... SowndGardn: Diamond girls are forever. SPINaps: Hey, have you guys ever met Randy Johnson (Mariners pitcher)? Is he a goon? Is he a SG fan, or what? SowndGardn: He is a Soundgarden fan, which would make him a goon... SowndGardn: and he's also cy young winner of 95.... SowndGardn: and he's the diamond girl that got me the ticket. Question: Is this album heavier or softer than the last? SowndGardn: It weighs about the same. Question: I think that videos ruin the music. Are you planning to make videos for the new songs? SowndGardn: We haven't got that far yet... SowndGardn: we haven't finished the new songs. SowndGardn: But... SowndGardn: I agree, I think video music has ruined rock-n-roll. Question: I heard that you guys played 2 new songs at the Reading Festival ("Ty Cobb" and "Flies"). Question: Any chance that these songs will come out as singles early? SowndGardn: "Flies" isn't a new song... SowndGardn: It's from Badmotorfinger. I'll let everyone know when I've got the official transcript available on the Web page. seth ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 102] ****************************************