From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:11:05 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 15 Nov 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Imports.... Unrelated: AIC Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Re: Temple SOMMS, AIC, PJ Pearl Jam and SG ramblings help! Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Chris Cornell PJ and SG together. Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Wow. Re:musings about soundgarden 2 Mind Riot Mailing list Openers Re: Openers Re: Cyberian Rhapsody Re: Just a note... SG/PJ soundgarden and other bootlegs Re: Sub Pop-200 Re: Kurt's animated corpse Re: Half, Ben Re: Half, Ben Re: Ben Shepard the hater Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 Pearl Spam Smokebomb Re: Pearl Jam and SG ramblings Re: my humble offer... Re: the member directory is alive! Re: the member directory is alive! Re: Wow. Re: Smokebomb Re: Andreia's (& others') ramblings Personal Taste Re: SG/PJ Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden Re: Temple Re: SG/PJ Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden Re: Imports.... PJ vs. SG Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden Re: my humble offer... re:Sugar-opening act?? Another question. Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden Re: Another question. seth? Re: Another question. Re: Another question. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Matthew Souza Subject: Re: Imports.... On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 SHROOMGRL1@aol.com wrote: > 2. What is Chris Cornell's middle name? I've heard it's Joseph, but I'd like > to know for sure. > Thanks!!! > Someone told me that it's Creamed, but I think they might have been giving me a good hard tug on the leg. Matthew the Musty Flatulence. ------------------------------ From: The Amazing Jambi Subject: Unrelated: AIC Hey, I want to get the new AIC album but I thought it was to be released as a CD+. Am I wrong? Or are the SAP and JAR OF FLIES the only albums released on CD+? Sorry to post this question here, but who else do I ask? -Aaron Most people are so busy trying to control others they don't control themselves. =============================================================================== SatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataSatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataS =============================================================================== AL I VEIN THESU PER UNK N OWN - CHICKA JACKEEN AKA: LaMONT SANFORD GORDON SHUMWAY MAJOR HEILLY ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com Subject: Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden No contest. Even five on four. Ament may be a bit of a problem, he's pretty beefy. But I think Kim could take him out. (What is Kim, about 6'3", 210?) Chris and Ben could take care of the rest. Vedder would standing by the side, protesting all the senseless violence so characteristic of Western culture. So Matt could hold him down, saving precious Eddie for last, while the other three pummel him shitless. I would love to see that. ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 >From: SHROOMGRL1@aol.com >Subject: Imports... > >Hey all... I've got a couple quick questions. >1. Does anyone have a good place to order SG imports from? I'd like to get >"Fresh Deadly Rarities", but unfortunately the place I usually order from >can't get it. And I've been looking for another copy of SG "Nosebleed". I >have it already, but I'd like to find another copy for a friend. Don't know about these particular discs, but CdNow (http://cdnow.com) has a good collection of imports/bootlegs you can order online. Expensive as hell, though. "You don't get nothing for free..." ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com Subject: Re: Temple >From: URBANO >Subject: Re: Temple > >>Well I have to reply to my own message, it's tacky I know but >>has to be done >>In my search for Temple of the Dog stuff I found a location >>If anyone wants to check it out it's at >>fsmc1@acad3.alaska.edu > ====================== > > Uuuhh... isn't this an E-Mail Address?? > > Just Wondering.... > URB@NO That is the address of the listserve for the "Mind Riot" mailing list -- devoted to Mother Love Bone, Sondgarden, Temple of the Dog, and Pearl Jam. For some reason, I suspect it does not exist anymore. I'm going to try it right now. I'll tell y'all what happens. ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: SOMMS, AIC, PJ Whomever has offered to tape SOMMS, pleeeease let me get your address and I'll mail you a tape!!! Thanks!!! I got the new AIC disc as well. It's really good for those who haven't heard, but what else would you expect from Layne and friends? It's slow, dark, and really odd. My faves so far are, Sludge Factory, Heaven Beside You, God Am, and Nothin' Song. It's definately eerie, creepy, and most of all it's definately Alice In Chains. As for Pearl Jam (I actually said that with a straight face!)--how can I put this?--I will admit that they boys have musical skills, but their music is crap. If they played ragin' music, well, and got rid of that Vedder guy, I'd like 'em a whole lot better. As of now, they don't stand very high on my list of bands, probably right below Nirvana or Hootie and the Blowfish. But SOUNDGARDEN is a whole different story altogether, and I think we all know that...... ------------------------------ From: Andreia Clay Subject: Pearl Jam and SG ramblings I keep meaning to write an essay comparing their two styles but I never seem to get around to it. Here are just some thoughts I've had about the two groups over the years. I should preface this by saying I started out as a Pearl Jam fan and would demand my friends turn off Soundgarden- I thought they were too hard. I must admit, I'm still not into Screaming Life and Fop (before Chris realized he had an amazing voice) but I love BMF, SU and LTL. I used to have arguments with my boyfriend about who sang better, Chris or Eddie and I always said Eddie (just listen to Breathe and the other PJ song on Singles (I never remember names to songs)). Well, a few months have passed and a disappointing Vitology came out (Tremor Christ and Courdory (I think?) are great but many of the songs seem like a bad White Album) and I'd been listening to alot more SG (Outshined, Jesus Christ Pose, etc.) and told my boyfriend that Chris sings better. He had always sided with Chris- but made me go listen to Eddie again since he was beginning to side with Eddie. So I've decided they just are different and here is my ramble about their two styles. Pearl Jam- Eddie always seems to sing slightly faster than the music, sort of pushing it forward, and his amazing range (he can hit high notes without that hollow falsetto and can still do a really deep growl) gives the music its angst-ridden purity. The lyrics are completely impressionistic poetry- and although they move me greatly- I'm not always sure I have any idea what Eddie is talking about. Someone posted that PJ was more straight forward musically and I'm really interested in this point because I've thought alot about this (but the only instrument I've ever played is violin). I've always thought of PJ as completely non-linear, lyrically and musically. Noone really seems to be playing a definite melody and the instruments must hang together as a whole- Eddie uses his voice completely as an instrument in addition to conveying lyric meaning. In addition the drums and bass don't seem to be playing typical rythm lines. The best analogy I can make is to the Grateful Dead (sorry! :-) who only really have their rythm guitarist playing rythm and everybody else is harmony or melody., including the drummers. Actually the way the music is written seems to invalidate the concepts of harmony and melody- since each part acts as if it is the main line. Does that make any sense from a technical musical standpoint? SG on the otherhand is very linear, although they do get way out there. The lyrics, by and large have an understandable linear narrative, and the guitar mainly has the lead with Chris' voice being the melody. I'm not saying it is less complex, just more linear. Chris voice seems to slow the music down, he sings like he has all the time in the world, which I think gives SG a dark, mellow sound, even when they are rocking out. Chris has an amazing range also but his voice is darker, more "velvety" if you will :-) (Just listen to him say "Oh yeah" in Outshined!) I always think of Eddie as somehow being angelic, pure and filled with moralistic angst- Chris is darker, more cynical, and turns everything upside down on its head. SG is like Bach (linear), PJ is like Mozart (it just somehow hangs together and works). Go listen to Outshined, My Wave, and the songs on Singles and write me back :-) Peace, Andreia "Looking California but feeling Minnesota, oh yeah..." ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: help! ooooops....I think I just sent a message to the wrong place, since it hasn't appeared on the list.........anyway, I need HELP. Please could someone (preferably in the uk - as postage is much quicker and cheaper - but anywhere will do) help me get started on some bootlegs??? I don't really have any apart from a Nirvana one and a really crappy quality FNM one (sounds like it's recorded in a tin can) but I want to build up a collection.....does anyone have any Soundgarden bootlegs (anything - live stuff, interviews, promo etc.) that they wanna trade??? I don't have many bootlegs but I have TONS of albums.....anyone who can help me out?? I'll send you a blank tape .....email me at: rk12@leicester.ac.uk cheers Beckster p.s. Is cd+ much more expensive than ordinary cd format??? computer illiterate signing off...................................... ------------------------------ From: H.Parekh@exeter.ac.uk Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 how much is ultramega OK worth on blue vinyl? ------------------------------ From: H.Parekh@exeter.ac.uk Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 jesus wept is this a Spoonmen page or a FNM , Sugar or fuckin Ozzy Osbourne page? (although i am overwhelmed by pattonesque and mouldy tunes) actually i don't mind that much i just wanted to introduce myself. I care a lot about other bands (xcept for the big double O) and as this is my first letter ya'll don't know the real thing that is me. ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Chris Cornell Ok, according to Metal Edge magazine (shut up, I only bought it cuz it had a lil Soundgarden in it) Chris Cornell's middle name is John. I do like the Creamed Cornell theory though ;) Foreshocks And for anyone who didnt want to know this lil piece of trivia... you know how to erase e-mail, bubye now. ------------------------------ From: "KIRSCHNER JEFFREY" Subject: PJ and SG together. I saw PJ and SG on the same bill once, both opening for NEIL YOUNG! ------------------------------ From: Philip Fetters Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 H.Parekh@exeter.ac.uk wrote: > jesus wept > is this a Spoonmen page > or a FNM , Sugar or fuckin Ozzy Osbourne page? No, it's the Ramen Noodles page, darn it. -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: Kelly Christa Jones Subject: Wow. Wow. I'd just like to respond to the person who truly did ramble about Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. You must have a lot of free time on your hands, huh? Anyway, why can't people just appreciate music for music without overanalysing it?? Just listen to it! I'm new to this mailing list, so go ahead and criticize me if you want, but Hey, I don't care. I do think it's really cool that SG fans can share things on the internet, though. This is what I really need (besides the pleas for bootlegs and CDs and stuff). What I mean is that for at least 5 years, I've been the only person I know who has liked Soundgarden. I had to practically beg my friends to go to their concert w/me. bye Kelly ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Re:musings about soundgarden 2 hello! i am anxiously awaiting "Alive in the unknown" which is supposed to come out on november 21th. does anyone know what exactly is going to be on it? what songs? any new ones? how much is it going to cost? also,i am glad that people are starting to mention pearl jam and alice in chains on this forum.soundgarden,pj,and aic are all incredibly talented bands and i have no problem if the topic shifts over to the other two for awhile. just imagine if all three bands went on a tour. how awesome would that be. anyway,if anyone has any soundgarden bootlegs,interviews,or obscure things of that nature,i would be more than happy to send you a tape or something. possible opening acts for our boys (in my opinion) - everclear,shelter, silverchair,foo fighters..the list goes on and on. has anyone hear heard the SHELTER cd entitled MANTRA? check it out. you won't be disappointed.tell me what you think about it.later. Vince Varkey at the university of texas at dallas ------------------------------ From: StarKiller Subject: Mind Riot Mailing list URBANO said: >>fsmc1@acad3.alaska.edu > ====================== > > Uuuhh... isn't this an E-Mail Address?? > It is the address of the moderator of the Mind Riot List. A list for fans of SG, PJ, TOTD, and such. Jon ------------------------------ From: Philip Fetters Subject: Openers Hey, people, i think we've finally founf the perfect openers for sg. And i'm surprised none of you realized this earlier. Think Seattle. Think big. Think popular. Think Pearl Jam. What, you don't think sg is good enough to have PJ open for them? Or not popular enough? That i might buy, but think about this. Pearl Jam is doing everything in its power to oppose commercialism. What could be better for this goal than to tour as an opening band? It would show that they are not arrogant by placing themselves in that position. And, hey, when Pj is done, sg comes on, and between sets, maybe some Temple Of the Dog, or a short acoustical set by Chris (maybe and Eddie?). Hey, it would make for a great show. And i for one would camp out in front of the box office for a ticket. aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: Openers If it's anything like Lolapoluza 92(?), then I'm there. (Not afraid to say I like SG and PJ.) Greg ****************************************** *** Sieze the day. *** *** Pull the trigger. Drop the blade. *** *** And watch the rolling heads. *** ****************************************** *** greg@sfa.com *** ****************************************** ------------------------------ From: Ethan Hennessey Subject: Re: Cyberian Rhapsody Hey! How was the internet show? I took my girlfriend to the Paramount to catch it live, and it was actually pretty good, aside from the cheesy Jimi Hendrix deal at the end, with Slash masturbating his guitar. They made Black Hole Sun sound like lounge music, though. (Not that I've ever liked that particular song....) Did they broadcast the non-Seattle scene stuff (i.e. actual symphony stuff)? They did about four pieces before the intermission that weren't part of Cyberian Rhapsody, and I actually liked those better. They had some cool guest stars too. Matt Cameronhad a pretty good performance, and Barret Martin (?) from Screaming Trees did quite well, too. (Which I found rather surprising, since I think that band has gone downhill since Mark Pickerell quit banging skins for them.....) - ---------EThan On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > Ok, it's tomorrow night, i have my space in the computer lab all picked > out, i've asked my roommate if i can borrow his headphones, i've set up > the barricades around the computer i've picked out, i've tested every Mac > in the lab to see which is least likely to screw up, i've got my ticket, > i've did most of my schoolwork, i've downloaded real audio, i've been to > the rocktropolis page, and i've decided to not go see REM tomorrow night, so > now, what time is Cyberian Rhapsody supposed to start? > > aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! > ***************************************************************************** > "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden > ***************************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ From: Ethan Hennessey Subject: Re: Just a note... I would add that if you MUST fight, then do it where the rest of us don't have to put up with it, or have it fill our mailboxes. Some of us have limited time to dick around with this stuff....In other words, keep it off the list. - ---------Ethan On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Russ Ingram wrote: > > First, I would just like to bring you all to the attention that everyone > here is rather touchy. Don't take things on a world wide mailing list so > seriously. Be mature, fine, upstanding citizens. When someone takes a shot > at you, ignore them, or go with one of my favorites: "Screw you, taxpayer." > and leave it at that. All this 'fighting' is getting rather silly. Just > thought I'd point this out, and I have faith in all of you being reasonable, > and rational. > > > > -- James Ingram > (that anal retentive guy on this list) :) > > ------------------------------ From: Chris Dawg Subject: SG/PJ It is truly hard to compare Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. After all, isn't SG a metal/hard rock band, anyway? (Wow, just kidding; I can feel the heat already...) Both bands rock the hizzouse, but in different catagories. Pearl Jam is something that I listen to when I study, NOT TO SAY THEY'RE SOFT, but that they don't get me thinking as much. It seems like when I listen to SG I have to concentrate on it...there is no way I can get away with not analyzing lyrics again, or getting sucked in by the dark undercurrent of a Kim Thayil solo. PJ just doesn't do that for me. Again, I really dig PJ, but it is extremely tough to compare the two, putting away the myth that all Seattle bands have a comprehensive, cohesive sound. Love, peace and beats that are phat (obese)--Chris Dawg ------------------------------ From: nicholas holland Subject: soundgarden and other bootlegs In reply to the message asking about soundgarden and other bootlegs there is a nice and easy way to get them. Unless you are at the only university in the uk that does not have a music stall on campus once a week all you have to do is wander down there any time they are there and you'll find loads of good stuff. I managed to get Nirvana's last gig, Soundgarden playing in Germany in 1992 and Smashing Pumpkins Outtakes and Demos tape for a tenner. If you want any of these just send me an E-mail at: nbholl@essex.ac.uk leave your address and I will try and get you a copy done as soon as possible. If you are unfortunate enough to be at a completeley pants university that does not have these record sales send me a shopping list and I will see what I can do. If you do want me to get you some stuff you'll have to send me cheque for the required amount (plus some for postage and package) best wishes Nik ------------------------------ From: Ethan Hennessey Subject: Re: Sub Pop-200 As far as I know, the only difference is the packaging. I bought the old one when it cam out, and I've heard that it has considerablfewer photos than the new one. - --------Ethan On Sat, 11 Nov 1995 S0undgardn@aol.com wrote: > I just got the re-issue of the sub pop 200 cd and I was wondering if anyone > had one of the original ones and knows the difference between the new one and > the old one. Oh and someone a while ago said that the screaming life book was > good. Whoever that was is very right. It's a great book. It has some great > photos of soundgarden. > ------------------------------ From: nicholas holland Subject: Re: Kurt's animated corpse On Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:10:02 -0500 foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com wrote: > From:foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:10:02 -0500 > Subject: Kurt's animated corpse > To: nbholl@essex.ac.uk > > NB>In many ways I agree, Abigail (the bitch's name) "should have 2 shotgun > NB>shells pumped into her skull by Curt's animated corpse". That would also > NB>be fairly amusing and I for one would love to be there if it was ever to > NB>happen. > > NB>Another Teen Spirit version I like is the Top of the Pops performance > NB>that can be seen on Live, Tonight, Sold Out. Kurt does an excellent > NB>gothic version of it. That has to be by far the funniest version of it. > > > i missed this.. whos abigail? > Foreshocks > > Abigail is some person (I use the word with some trepidation since there was a romour going round my college that she was some sort of daemonette from the dungeon dimensions) who thought that she could re-mix teen spirit and make lots of money out of it. As far as I know she never even made the top 40 in the uk (pretty crap since even Bryan Adams managed to be at no 1 for 17 or 18 weeks with everything I do) best wishes Nik ------------------------------ From: Ethan Hennessey Subject: Re: Half, Ben I'm pretty sure it's Chris singing on Exit Stonehenge. I checked the credits, and he wrote it, so I think they just ran his voice through a distortion dealie.... - --------Ethan On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > On Mon, 13 Nov 1995 S0undgardn@aol.com wrote: > > > I thought it was Ben singing half too. > > > Ok, so it's Ben singing Half. But now, does anyone know who sings on > Exit Stonehenge? Is it Matt? Or Kim? > > > aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! > ***************************************************************************** > "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden > ***************************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ From: Ethan Hennessey Subject: Re: Half, Ben On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Chris Mackenzie wrote: > On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Nov 1995 S0undgardn@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I thought it was Ben singing half too. > > > > > Ok, so it's Ben singing Half. But now, does anyone know who sings on > > Exit Stonehenge? Is it Matt? Or Kim? > > > > Chris sings Exit Stonehenge. Does anybody know who sings "I Can't Give > You Anything"? > Chris, on SG's version, Joey Ramone, on the Ramones' version. - -------Ethan ------------------------------ From: Ethan Hennessey Subject: Re: Ben Shepard the hater As far as I've ever heard, Hater was a one-shot during the break between Badmotorfinger and Superunknown, and there will be no followup. HE's not all that keen on hype either, from what I hear, which is a big reason that you haven't seen any interviews.... - -------------Ethan On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, John Shaft wrote: > Does anyone know anything obout Ben he seems to be the most elusive man > in music???? Cause no one ever interviews him > Part 2 > Is hater still a growing side project or is there something new > in his secret agenda???? > > :John Shaft: > >private investigations< > > ------------------------------ From: Ethan Hennessey Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 14 Nov 1995 On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 H.Parekh@exeter.ac.uk wrote: > how much is ultramega OK worth on blue vinyl? > Blue vinyl is a re-release. SST is kind of hurting financially, and they've been re-releasing their back catalog on colored vinyl. The original release was black. They also re-released the now out of print Flower 12" on red 10" vinyl. - ----------Ethan ------------------------------ From: James A Sellers Subject: Pearl Spam Pearl Jam sucks cock. It is the most boring band I have ever heard. There lyrics and melodies are boring and cliched. Soundgarden do a thousand times more interesting and musically challenging things in their songs than Vedder and the crew could ever dream of. Pearl Jam is the arena-rock "Steve Miller Band" of the 90's. ------------------------------ From: WILL9396@VARNEY.IDBSU.EDU Subject: Smokebomb Are you guys dead? Do you think that Chris Cornell reads the things you write. I'm not asking if you care or not just your ideas of if he reads this stuff. Heptozigman ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Pearl Jam and SG ramblings From: seth > SG is like Bach (linear), PJ is like Mozart (it > just somehow hangs together and works). I like that comparison; thinking about the SG style of writing as being vertical (Bach's incredible chord progressions and the textures he creates) and the PJ style of writing being horizontal (Mozart's superb command of melody and disregard for "interesting" chords) makes a lot of sense to me. SG's music wouldn't be nearly as convincing without the powerful chord changes, just as PJ's music wouldn't be worth anything without their main melodic instrument, Eddie's voice. The two bands really must be contrasted rather than compared, and the same holds true for the two composers. I do enjoy Bach and Soundgarden a whole lot more than I enjoy Mozart and Pearl Jam, though; personal preference, of course, based on the style of the music, not the quality of the music. seth ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: my humble offer... >personally, i would like to see sg do some similar things on their >next album...of course, they've done so many different things already >that this would be a good trick (put `half', `i awake', and `fourth >of july' on the same tape and try to convince people that it's the >same band...) How about this, Beyond The Wheel, Fell On Black Days, and Jesus Christ Pose on the same tape and try to convince people it's the same band, Clown ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Philip Fetters Subject: Re: the member directory is alive! Hey, seth, remember this: On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, seth wrote: > Well, I went ahead and started the Soundgarden Mailing List Member > Directory. Everyone has to send me his/her picture. UUencoded or > MIME-encoded images are the easiest way to get them to me. If you have > a homepage, tell me and I'll link it to your picture. This way, people > > And as if you hadn't noticed, I'm not giving up on this idea. For some > reason I thought this would be cool, so it's going to happen even if I > have to draw pictures of all of you and put them up. > Um, Seth, is that what you are doing now, drawing pictures? -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ Subject: Re: the member directory is alive! From: seth > > Well, I went ahead and started the Soundgarden Mailing List Member > > Directory. Everyone has to send me his/her picture. UUencoded or > > MIME-encoded images are the easiest way to get them to me. If you have > > a homepage, tell me and I'll link it to your picture. This way, people > > > > And as if you hadn't noticed, I'm not giving up on this idea. For some > > reason I thought this would be cool, so it's going to happen even if I > > have to draw pictures of all of you and put them up. > > > Um, Seth, is that what you are doing now, drawing pictures? -j OK, OK, so I haven't exactly gotten around to it yet. I'm busy. I WILL get to it soon, I promise. seth ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: Wow. > (besides the pleas for bootlegs and CDs and stuff). What I mean is that > for at least 5 years, I've been the only person I know who has liked > Soundgarden. I had to practically beg my friends to go to their concert > w/me. > bye > Kelly My friends hate it even when I just play a SG cd, never mind actually going to a concert and having a good time with me. Should I still consider them to be my friends? Jenn ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: Smokebomb > Are you guys dead? Do you think that Chris Cornell reads the > things you write. I'm not asking if you care or not just your ideas > of if he reads this stuff. > > Heptozigman DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT CHRIS CORNELL SITS AROUND AND READS THESE BORING MESSAGES DAY AFTER DAY? I THINK HE HAD MUCH BETTER THINGS TO DO! ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Andreia's (& others') ramblings On 14 November 1995, Andreia Clay wrote: >.....Pearl Jam- Eddie always seems to sing slightly faster than the music, >sort of pushing it forward, and his amazing range (he can hit high notes >without that hollow falsetto and can still do a really deep growl) gives >the music its angst-ridden purity. ...... >.........Chris voice seems to slow >the music down, he sings like he has all the time in the world, which I >think gives SG a dark, mellow sound, even when they are rocking out. >Chris has an amazing range also but his voice is darker, more "velvety" >if you will :-) (Just listen to him say "Oh yeah" in Outshined!) >I always think of Eddie as somehow being angelic, pure and filled with >moralistic angst- Chris is darker, more cynical, and turns everything >upside down on its head. SG is like Bach (linear), PJ is like Mozart (it >just somehow hangs together and works).......... I just thought I'd let you know, Andreia (& Philip Fetters {Chicka you devil - - you've revealed your real??? name!}, Greg Bensimon, Chris Dawg & Seth), that I enjoyed reading your personal views on Pearl Jam & Soundgarden. Like Seth, I think the two bands should be contrasted, not compared. And unlike Kelly Christa Jones, I particularly liked reading Andreia's analysis. Reminded me of English studies way back in my good old school days!! [sigh] Andreia seems to me to be one smart lady. Carolyn the Mighty Fireball ****************************************************** Heaven send hell away; no one sings like you anymore - SGarden I will stand, arms outstretched, pretend I'm free to roam - PJam ****************************************************** ------------------------------ From: u01gaa@abdn.ac.uk Subject: Personal Taste I've been reading all these messages arguing who is better - Soundgarden or Pearl Jam. What is the point in this? All this is totally subjective to your personal tastes and in no way has any authority over who is the better band. If this is merely to judge people's preferences, then why not set up a survey for all users? Incidentally, does anyone have any info regarding any new Soundgarden albums or U.K. tour dates? ------------------------------ From: Neale Grant Subject: Re: SG/PJ On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Chris Dawg wrote: > It is truly hard to compare Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. Yup. PJ are shite, SG aren't. (Insert enormous smiley here. I'm just teasing, okay?) > After all, isn't SG a metal/hard rock band, anyway? That's the easiest way to sum up the difference. > Pearl Jam is something that I listen to when I study, NOT TO SAY THEY'RE > SOFT, but that they don't get me thinking as much. It seems like when I > listen to SG I have to concentrate on it...there is no way I can get away > with not analyzing lyrics again, or getting sucked in by the dark undercurrent > of a Kim Thayil solo. PJ just doesn't do that for me. What you want to do is turn the music up louder. I find that if I've got the volume too low, I end up having to listen to the music instead of concentrating on my work. If you have the bass reverberating through your body, you don't have to pay any attention to it at all and can concentrate wholeheartedly on studying, with all distracting background noises (traffic, birdsong, the person next door playing PJ...) blotted out by the music. Hope that helps. Neale Neale Grant | Finger for GeekCode | neale.grant@univ.ox.ac.uk University College | The Quatermass Experiment is a top SF short story Oxford | diskmag: http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~univ0155/tqe.html OX1 4BH, UK | "I'm not fine, fuck pretending" - Alice In Chains ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden I have to disagree with you. Although Eddie sounds like he's in an emotional whirlwind, Chris Cornell's lyrics blow PJ away. When Chris writes, it's clear that everything is coming from his heart and soul, things that he ponders and what angers him. If you really don't believe me just read the lyrics to the songs on Temple of the Dog. You can't get more emotion than on Say Hello to Heaven or Times of Trouble "when someone that loved you left you for dead..." The albulms about the death of and tribute to Chris' late roomate and lead singer of Mother Love Bone, Andrew Wood it's really a very depressing cd. So that's my side whether anyone agrees with me who knows. lee On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, AMODEO SEBASTIEN wrote: > Music lovers everywhere!!! PERSONAL opinion will follow.... > > What I have to say is simple: I feel Pearl Jam has more feeling in their > songs than do Soundgarden. > > This does NOT mean that I dislike SG, but in my opinion they rank second... > > Why??? Well, PJ seems to be able to translate their emotions in more ways > than SG can, allthough SG did it quite well with the Superunknown album. > > Anyways, that's all I had to say... > > Sebastien > ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: Temple On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 samm@mail.usa1.com wrote: > > >From: URBANO > >Subject: Re: Temple > > > >>Well I have to reply to my own message, it's tacky I know but > >>has to be done > >>In my search for Temple of the Dog stuff I found a location > >>If anyone wants to check it out it's at > >>fsmc1@acad3.alaska.edu > > ====================== > > > > Uuuhh... isn't this an E-Mail Address?? > > > > Just Wondering.... > > URB@NO > > That is the address of the listserve for the "Mind Riot" mailing list -- > devoted to Mother Love Bone, Sondgarden, Temple of the Dog, and Pearl Jam. > For some reason, I suspect it does not exist anymore. I'm going to try it > right now. I'll tell y'all what happens. > > Did I make a mistake? Oh I'm so sorry if I did. I haven't checked it out yet due to lack of time. But let me know what you find out so I know what it's all about. Anyway if it's bad or nonexistant I do apologize so so much. lee > ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: SG/PJ On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Neale Grant wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Chris Dawg wrote: > > > It is truly hard to compare Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. > > Yup. PJ are shite, SG aren't. (Insert enormous smiley here. I'm just > teasing, okay?) > > > After all, isn't SG a metal/hard rock band, anyway? > > That's the easiest way to sum up the difference. > > > Pearl Jam is something that I listen to when I study, NOT TO SAY THEY'RE > > SOFT, but that they don't get me thinking as much. It seems like when I > > listen to SG I have to concentrate on it...there is no way I can get away > > with not analyzing lyrics again, or getting sucked in by the dark undercurrent > > of a Kim Thayil solo. PJ just doesn't do that for me. So what you're saying is PJ is brain dead music! > > What you want to do is turn the music up louder. I find that if I've got > the volume too low, I end up having to listen to the music instead of > concentrating on my work. If you have the bass reverberating through > your body, you don't have to pay any attention to it at all and can > concentrate wholeheartedly on studying, with all distracting background > noises (traffic, birdsong, the person next door playing PJ...) blotted > out by the music. > > Hope that helps. > > Neale > > Neale Grant | Finger for GeekCode | neale.grant@univ.ox.ac.uk > University College | The Quatermass Experiment is a top SF short story > Oxford | diskmag: http://sable.ox.ac.uk/~univ0155/tqe.html > OX1 4BH, UK | "I'm not fine, fuck pretending" - Alice In Chains > > ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden Whoa Lee! I totally agree with you! It seems to me that when CC wrote for TOTD his feelings were more on the surface (I don't mean superficial, I just mean so out in the open.). When he writes and sings for SG he seems to be more indirect. What I'm trying to say isn't exactly coming out right. It's a different emotional time and it's apparent in his voice and lyrics! I'd like to go on more about this right now, but it's taking too much out of me! Jenn > I have to disagree with you. Although Eddie sounds like he's in an > emotional whirlwind, Chris Cornell's lyrics blow PJ away. When Chris > writes, it's clear that everything is coming from his heart and soul, > things that he ponders and what angers him. If you really don't believe > me just read the lyrics to the songs on Temple of the Dog. You can't get > more emotion than on Say Hello to Heaven or Times of Trouble "when > someone that loved you left you for dead..." The albulms about the death > of and tribute to Chris' late roomate and lead singer of Mother Love > Bone, Andrew Wood it's really a very depressing cd. So that's my side > whether anyone agrees with me who knows. > lee ------------------------------ From: S0undgardn@aol.com Subject: Re: Imports.... Chris Cornell's middle name is john:) ------------------------------ From: harrimt5@wfu.edu (Matt Harrington) Subject: PJ vs. SG With all the discussion going on about my two favorite bands, I thought I'd chip in my story. Before I got into Soundgarden, I was drawn to Pearl Jam. At that time, I didn't really like Soundgarden's heavier tone or whatever. I became a Pearl Jam fanatic, and then I was introduced to Soundgarden. I first became a fan through Superunknown I admit (actually the song as well as the album), and have since bought Badmotorfinger and Ultramega OK, with Louder than Love on the way and Screaming Life/Fopp waiting for me to save up some money. So I started to become a real SG fan, I joined this list and was exposed to all the many great qualities of SG as well as their great (and sometimes extreme :) ) fans. Now, I can't really name a favorite band, and as far as listening goes, I listen to whatever seems to suit me best at that point. Sometimes I really need the angst-ridden vocals of Vedder, sometimes I need the driving guitars of SG. If I don't sound like I have much of a point, I guess my only point is that in my opinion, SG and PJ can both be good. It's not like they're really competing with each other or drawing away from one another. In fact, for me, they bring each other together to define things. I hate to sound like the prototypical angst-ridden 18 year old, but I can't help identifying with a lot of the emotions brought out in SG and PJ songs. And I don't think I'd know as much about myself and what I feel if only one band or the other was around. Sorry if I've gone on too long, but I just had to share my story. In my opinion, I couldn't possibly get along just listening to one band. I need multiple bands, who, though they might be similar, have subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) differences that make them original to me, or give me a different viewpoint. I'm really rambling now, so I'm going to stop before anyone really gets pissed off. -Matt ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden Jenn, I totally agree with you about his openess on TOTD. I think that it's his best representation of his pain and it moves me more than anything. It's a perfect album to listen to when you're depressed. It was a really bad time in his life, but it produced some astounding work. Don't get me wrong, I love SG more than anything and I'm just not into only slower stuff. I mean, my favorite song on Superunknown is 4th of July. Overall, Chris is just an amazing lyrisist(sp) whether it's slow or fast. He's an incredible writer. I look up to work because I write in a similar style, although I do not come close to our God Chris. lee ------------------------------ From: Philip Fetters Subject: Re: my humble offer... On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > >personally, i would like to see sg do some similar things on their > >next album...of course, they've done so many different things already > >that this would be a good trick (put `half', `i awake', and `fourth > >of july' on the same tape and try to convince people that it's the > >same band...) > How about this, > Beyond The Wheel, Fell On Black Days, and Jesus Christ > Pose on the same tape and try to convince people it's the > same band, How about Exit Stonehenge, Smokestack Lighting, and Head Down? -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: re:Sugar-opening act?? Hey All- I'm going to have to agree with grote here, Sugar would be the ideal opening act. Think about it, the only talented singer/songwriter that can write lyrics as dark and introspective as C. Cornell would have to be Bob Mould. Those who don't think that Sugar can rock as hard as Soundgarden need only to listen to Copper Blue, or better yet, pick up some of Bob Mould's former work with Husker Du, one of the heaviest groups I have ever had the experience of listening to. And with the possibility of Bob Mould retiring or going into more acoustic work(his hearing is failing, casuing some tone deafness to set in), I would really like to see Sugar and Soundgarden pair up. How bout Red Rocks Stadium in Denver CO. for a good opening date?? My Thoughts Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: Philip Fetters Subject: Another question. Ok, with 400 people on this list, i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one who liked sg before Badmotorfinger, not that that is terribly important, but in my following question, it is. Does anybody have any SG t-shirts that are pre-BMF? I don't know directly of any existing, but if a band can get their video on MTV (Flower), then surely they can produce a few t-shirts along the way. so, if any of you have a t-shirt like i'm talking about, please decribe it to me. and also, if you have any ideas where i could possibly find one of these, let me know!!!!! BTW, Carolyn, no, Philip Fetters is not my real name. That's another Clive Barker character, this time from the comic book Saint Sinner, one of the most challenging adult level comic books ever, not to mention how strange it is. Well, i'm out. -j aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: Pearl Jam VS Soundgarden On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, alisa brozena wrote: > Jenn, > I totally agree with you about his openess on TOTD. I think that it's > his best representation of his pain and it moves me more than anything. > It's a perfect album to listen to when you're depressed. It was a really > bad time in his life, but it produced some astounding work. Don't get me > wrong, I love SG more than anything and I'm just not into only slower > stuff. I mean, my favorite song on Superunknown is 4th of July. > Overall, Chris is just an amazing lyrisist(sp) whether it's slow or > fast. He's an incredible writer. I look up to work because I write in a > similar style, although I do not come close to our God Chris. > lee > > um.. the favorite song thing came out the wrong way, 4th of July is slow but it's not in the same style as TOTD, as for BMF Jesus Christ Pose definatly is the best on the cd. about the TOTD adress I gave the other day, Urbano, you are right. I just checked it out and it was an email thing, I got it from another person and didn't look into first hand before disclosing it to all of you. Again I apologize. lee ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Another question. Come on, you're not serious are you? The only one on the list who liked SG before BMF? I for one can say I was a fan of SG since the first time I heard the song Loud Love, when it was first released. And if a half of the people on this list took part in alt.music.soundgarden, then there are MANY more who listened to them before BMF AND, dare I say, from the beginning!! There were huge flame wars about who listened to them first - pre-bmf, pre-louder, pre-flower, pre-sg, pre-this, pre-that, pre-natally. Do we have to start one of these again? >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Philip Fetters wrote: > Ok, with 400 people on this list, i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one > who liked sg before Badmotorfinger, not that that is terribly important, > but in my following question, it is. Does anybody have any SG t-shirts > that are pre-BMF? I don't know directly of any existing, but if a band > can get their video on MTV (Flower), then surely they can produce a few > t-shirts along the way. so, if any of you have a t-shirt like i'm > talking about, please decribe it to me. and also, if you have any ideas > where i could possibly find one of these, let me know!!!!! > BTW, Carolyn, no, Philip Fetters is not my real name. That's another > Clive Barker character, this time from the comic book Saint Sinner, one > of the most challenging adult level comic books ever, not to mention how > strange it is. Well, i'm out. -j > > aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist > aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! > ***************************************************************************** > "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden > "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement > > ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: seth? Do you think our dear friend Julis pictures Seth like the kid on the mailing list directory? ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Another question. Please ignore the message I just posted. My eyes were not working properly, and I missed an important word in this message. I apologize profusely for my ignorance. >>>-------------------------------> Geoff Kleemola gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca U of Winnipeg Psychology student <-------------------------------<<< On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Philip Fetters wrote: \/ > Ok, with 400 people on this list, i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one ^^^ > who liked sg before Badmotorfinger, not that that is terribly important, > but in my following question, it is. Does anybody have any SG t-shirts > that are pre-BMF? I don't know directly of any existing, but if a band > can get their video on MTV (Flower), then surely they can produce a few > t-shirts along the way. so, if any of you have a t-shirt like i'm > talking about, please decribe it to me. and also, if you have any ideas > where i could possibly find one of these, let me know!!!!! > BTW, Carolyn, no, Philip Fetters is not my real name. That's another > Clive Barker character, this time from the comic book Saint Sinner, one > of the most challenging adult level comic books ever, not to mention how > strange it is. Well, i'm out. -j > > aka Philip Fetters, "He Who Walks Between" aka The Equalist > aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! > ***************************************************************************** > "I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind." -Soundgarden > "Hey you gotta pay your dues, before you pay the rent" -Pavement > > ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Another question. Geoff Kleemola wrote: >Come on, you're not serious are you? The only one on the list who liked SG >before BMF? I for one............ Geoff, in defence of Chicka (Philip Fetters), I'd like to tell you to please get off your high horse!! Chicka ACTUALLY wrote: >> Ok, with 400 people on this list, i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one >> who liked sg before Badmotorfinger, not that that is terribly important,...... He did NOT say he was the only one on the list who liked SG before BMF - in fact he was saying the opposite!! So don't get so alarmed, please! I found your note quite hostile. I really don't see why you wrote it, other than to big-note yourself and belittle people on this mailing list if they don't take part in alt.music.soundgarden and if they weren't a fan of SG before a certain time. Chicka was asking for info on pre-BMF t-shirts, so if you couldn't help him, why did you respond so defiantly? Just hang loose and don't get so uptight, man! :-) Carolyn the Middleclass Fire-eater ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And it's raining icepicks on your steel shore - SOUNDGARDEN Our little group has always been & always will until the end - NIRVANA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: NBAFan@gnn.com Subject: Does anybody own a well-stocked library of Soundgarden videos? I'm looking for the Bethlehem, PA show. Does anyone have this show from 1994? And in decent video and audio quality? ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 101] ****************************************