From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 16 Oct 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:02:14 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 16 Oct 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html **listadmin note: Yes, the Web page is screwed right now. I'll hopefully have all of the links working soon... -seth Today's Topics: QUESTION Soundtable? indigestion... LaMONT is now Gordon Re: not sg related Consult the Website, inflate the hit count! Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 15 Oct 1995 Articles?!? Where did they go? Interviews.... Re: Consult the Website, inflate the hit count! RE:Somms Re: a question Mother Love Bone-any good? Sarcastic Original Mass Mailing System? Re: Famous SG fans Re: Foppbomb Re: religion? Confusion . . . Re: Black Hole Sun... Re: Foppbomb Re: Black Hole Sun... Demo question Re: Sarcastic Original Mass Mailing System? Re: Punk Type Thing Re: Mother Love Bone-any good? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: yakk@ix.netcom.com (Norman Bauer ) Subject: QUESTION How many people are signed up to this mailing list? The day I tried to live, I died. ------------------------------ From: yakk@ix.netcom.com (Norman Bauer ) Subject: Soundtable? Is the knights of the sound table worth the money? ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Subject: indigestion... Re: The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 11 Oct 1995 ------------------------------ From: URBANO Subject: Re: Chris - Homophobic? --> Actually Green River >As far as I knew, Green River was composed of Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard, >Jeff Ament and I guess three other fellows (I don't know who). At the >time, Pearl Jam was already Pearl Jam, just freshly baked. Eddie had >just arrived from California. It was Eddie's and Mike McReady's first >record with the band. You couldn't possibly be talking about Green River. Green River existed in mid-80s, even before MLB which existed before PJ. I think you confused Temple Of The Dog with Green River... p.s. Nice post about homophobia... ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: Seattle Scene >Dude, you gotta get out more. You have a bit, just a bit, too much time >on your hands. Is this the example of those SG related post you were crying for the other day? Let's see... People ramble about things that have no connection with SG. You flame them. Someone posts a real informative post (which I'm sure he/she didn't write himself, I've seen it before in a number of places), and you flame him again. Can anyone help me establish a pattern here? ------------------------------ Subject: Seth's concerns From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) >Soundgarden question for everyone on the list. Name the ONE reason why >Soundgarden is your favorite band or one of your favorite bands. I will One reason? Here's one (although far from only): Power. Their music is pure power. ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com >Which band is Noel in? He played with Jimi. >BTW - What do all the SGers think of Bush? I'v heard only a feew of their singles and like them so far. Unfortuately, I can't find their album in Croatia. If I had a chance, I surely would. Now, I'll make way for the hordes yelling 'RIPOFF!... ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Isn't this list for... >Soundgarden fans have different opinions about music than Live fans. Maybe we >Soundgarden fans like to do different things on the weekend than Annie Lennox Hey! What about me? I'm a SG and Annie fan! :-) >We're on this list to chat about our favorite band, make new friends from all >over the world, find out if it's REALLY worth it to buy that new Chilli >Peppers CD...our views on music should bring us together as friends. If I Hear! Hear! >flamed by people like BadMtrFngr who have nothing better to do but insult >people that he doesn't like! That was what Adolf Hitler did!!! Hm... There is a 'rule' on Usenet that says that when Hitler is brought up, it means that particular thread has reached the end... :-) ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: your mail >> The only problem is, if this was to happen, would Nirvana and Soundgarden >> just fall into mediocrity if everyone else sounded like them? >Probably not. imho, other bands wouldn't be able to keep up with soundgarden. Yeah. It's one thing to pick up on someone else's sound (a thing I have no problem with), but it's a whole different thing to keep up with their standard of writing songs... ------------------------------ From: "Daniel S. Perry" Subject: Can't we all just get along? >others lacked (this is my opinion). It seems clear that Silverchair and >STP were going for sounds that had already been established, which is One last time... Stone Temple Pilots had their first gig in October of 1990 (yes, 1990, looked it up in a book I came across today), opening for Rollins Band. Now, tell me, what sound was established in 1990? Why would they rip off SG, PJ or Nirvana, when they were as unknown at the time as STP themselves, or didn't even exist? What's the point and logic in that? They also have a time machine (or maybe even borrowed it from George Harrrison)? ------------------------------ ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------ From: GORDON SCHUMWAY Subject: LaMONT is now Gordon Just to let you all know, and to help my inflated ego (I know no one cares), I, LaMONT SANFORD, have official changed my name to GORDON SCHUMWAY after a careful deliberation (it was between Gordon Schumway, Ray Brauer, and Freddy "Boom, Boom" Washington). SO IN BREIF: WHEN YOU SEE GORDON SCHUMWAY KNOW THAT MESSAGE WILL HAVE THE LaMONT SANFORD QUALITY OF POST (this one not included). Stop you're trying to kill my time It's been my death since I was born Don't try to kill your time, you might do it, then you can't change your mind =============================================================================== SatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataSatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataS =============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: not sg related You're the devil!!! You possessed Seth while he was listening to 665->667 didn't you!!! Someone call for an exorcism!!! Chris Mackenzie "Why aren't they singing - take you're vitamins, be a nice person?" - Soundgarden, Big Dumb Sex (New Version) "I dreamnt of Cindy & her thorazine screams and her perma-teen light & I've seen her loose her mind" - Truly, Angelhead ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com (Samson Frederick M.) Subject: Consult the Website, inflate the hit count! Cruikshank wrote: >I got a lot of requests to find out what exactly my bootleg contained. So, >I'm going to list every Soundgarden / Soundgarden related album that I own. >I'm going to try to arrange them chronologically. > I hope these comments are not taken as a flame, since this was a mercifully soundgarden-related post from someone who obviously knows his soundgarden. But it brings to mind the fact that Seth maintains a site loaded with information which people could read and make references to (and bump up the hit-count -- who knows, Seth could get advertising!) For instance: >TEMPLE OF THE DOG (Members from Soundgarden, Pearl Jam to be, and Rick >Parashar) >(Major release - easy to find - dedicated to Andrew Wood, from Mother >Love Bone who died from bad Heroin, along with 4 other people in the >Seattle area, one weekend.) ...is not necessary to mention, nor is the list of songs, partly because most people already know, but mainly because its listed in Seth's discography. (On anoother note, people usually die from _good_ heroin, ie., heroin that's several times more pure than what they're used to shooting. But I don't know the specifics with Wood. Maybe it was MPPP, although I doubt it.) > >SOUNDGARDEN - SOMEWHERE This, along with some of the other bootlegs you mention is listed on the bootleg discography also maintained by Seth, reached via a rather inconspicuous link on the main discography, so a full songlist is not necessary. You might just refer us to the page. On the other hand, > 11. Slaves & Bulldozers 16:37 (That's right SIXTEEN MINUTES!!!) >(Beyond The Wheel starts off with Chris singing Hey Jude. >Slaves & Bulldozers - this is the best version of it that I have ever heard. >It also contains Chris singing a little of Pearl Jam's "Alive" - better than >Pearl Jam did it.) Reviews like this are worth posting. I wish there were more. Also, at least one of the bootlegs you mention, _Stingray_, is not on the bootlist, so that's worth giving a song list -- then maybe Seth can post it, and the world will be a little wiser. Finally, > >There was a Radio Station record that Soundgarden had - it contained a cover >of - some Beatles song - I can't remember which - but it was AWESOME. I >never owned it, but - hey - I thought I'd mention it. This is a good example of a question that can be answered by consulting the discography. There you will find the radio promo compilation, _Foreshocks_, which includes the Beatles' "Come Together." (They also covered "Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey", but I don't think that's what you're referring to. Maybe we should all take some of the time we might spend posting and look through the web-site front to back. > 4. Exit Stonehenge (The worst Soundgarden song) What???? My favorite Soundgarden song.... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jesus, I don't like my penis e-mail Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge e-mail Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge samm@mail.usa1.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com (Samson Frederick M.) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 15 Oct 1995 Cruikshank wrote: >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >SOUNDGARDEN - STOLEN PRAYERS (1988 - 1994) >(Bootleg - the best bootleg I have) Another wise consumer. By the way, I posted a (rusty) transcription of the lyrics to Nowhere But You and Fluttergirl (which I called "Fluttering" for some stupid reason). What do you think? Please, all Stolen Prayers' owners save that post and post your corrections. God knows they're needed. I think we should get this whole disc transcribed. The Soundgarden page could be the only band page to include lyrics to _truly_ "unreleased" material. It's already the best band page on the web, but we can make it better. Samson (Someone tell me if this signuture is annoying... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jesus, I don't like my penis e-mail Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge e-mail Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge samm@mail.usa1.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com (Samson Frederick M.) Subject: Articles?!? Where did they go? I just tried to access the articles archive and got a message that it was not there. Bummin'! just thought I'd give Seth a chance to update us on the status of this invaluable resource... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jesus, I don't like my penis e-mail Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge e-mail Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge samm@mail.usa1.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com (Samson Frederick M.) Subject: Interviews.... ...ditto for the interviews... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jesus, I don't like my penis e-mail Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge e-mail Stonehenge Exit Stonehenge samm@mail.usa1.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Consult the Website, inflate the hit count! From: seth > Maybe we should all take some of the time we might spend posting and look > through the web-site front to back. If only the Website weren't fucked up. I still don't have access to any of my files on Stargate's new server, which is why easily half of the links don't work and those that do work are obsolete versions (for example, those 27 new images I mentioned in a previous post are completely inaccessible; they don't even exist on the new server). The mailing list subscription form doesn't even work. I'm just hoping that I'll get access to my files tomorrow so our page will be back in business... seth ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: RE:Somms >I would like to second the notion that anyone who could provide >information leading to the capture of a copy of >Satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas would be graciously thanked. I don't >mind if it is w/ BMF. -j I would like to third that motion. Clown ***************************************************************************** "Stop your trying to bruise my mind, i can do it on my own. Stop your trying to kill my time, it's been my death since i was born" -Soundgarden ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: a question On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Joseph A. Burnett wrote: > first, moon druid is a stud...... > my question is: what is mr. belvedere's first name? > second: what actress/actor does "family ties" and "friends" have in common, > and what is their character? > third: where can one get some peyote? > > LET'S SEE SOME ACTION OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > bIG jOe 1. I think his first name is Mister. 2. Courtney Cox. Played Alex's girlfriend in family ties. 3.i dont know By the way where is the soundgarden in this? > ------------------------------ From: "Si tu pouvais savoir..." Subject: Mother Love Bone-any good? I'm sure someone on here has a least one Mother Love Bone album. Are they any good? Do they sound anything like Soundgarden? ------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: Sarcastic Original Mass Mailing System? Y'know, I was just thinking, what does SOMMS mean, anyway? The Guitarist "Don't you lock up something that you wanted to see fly" - Fell on Black Days, SG ------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: Re: Famous SG fans In a message dated 95-10-14 11:45:29 EDT, Daniel Garrett wrote: >I can't believe how Limo Wreck can be anyone's least favourite track off >Superunknown, sure it is quite dark (evil?) and sounds more in the style of >the >Badmotorfinger material (probably why I love it), but Chris's voice sounds so >clear and rich on the verse and the guitar harmonics chiming away sound >amazing, >even if someone had to provide "guidance" as it states on the album credits!! >It's also one of their most Sabbathy songs, which is always a good thing!! Well, the only song I actually liked on Badmotorfinger was Searching with My Good Eye Closed . . . which I cannot interpret since I don't really remember it very well, except that I really liked it . . . What exactly do you mean by a "Sabbathy" song? The Guitarist ------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: Re: Foppbomb In a message dated 95-10-14 12:58:39 EDT, Krissy wrote: >>The Guitarist >> >>P.S. Chris wasn't on any mind-altering drugs. The song was written for a >>friend of his that plays the spoons, you know, the guy that plays'em in the >>song . . . > > >**I heard that Chris didn't write Spoonman for Artis the guy who plays >spoons in the video for the song, I heard that "Spoonman" was one of the >titles that Jeff Ament made up for the fake "Citizen Dick" album or ep for >the movie Singles. Apparently the fake title inspired Chris and he wrote >the song, later employing his acquaintance Artis to work with him. Of >course, this could be wrong because I think I read it in a magazine a long >time ago... > Krissy Well, I guess the world may never know, 'cause now I'm not sure anymore . . . The Guitarist ------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: Re: religion? In a message dated 95-10-14 13:03:34 EDT, you write: >Chris writes a lot of songs having to do with religion and Jesus, etc. I >get the feeling that he thinks that a lot of organized religion and >so-called "religious, church-going people" are corrupt and a big joke, but >I can't figure out what his personal view on religion and spirituality is. >Judging by the fact that it's on his mind enough for him to write a lot >about it, I think he must have some personal beliefs, but I've never known >him to be the type of guy to reveal much about himself through songs or >interviews (which, by the way, I think is pretty cool because it keeps the >focus on the music). Anyway, I personally don't think he's an atheist >because he's a phenomenal musician, and I think music for many people can >be a spiritual experience, especially if they don't buy into organized >religion. I don't mean to offend anyone or to start some big debate, I >just wondered if any of you have any opinions on the subject... > Krissy I dunno, that's something I've often wondered about myself . . . "Down in the hole, Jesus tries to crack a smile, beneath another shoveload "-4th of July . . . . kinda' sounds like burying religion . . . makes it seem like he grew up with religion, but it never came through for him . . . doubting his faith . . . Anyone know about the religious beliefs of any other band members? The Guitarist ------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: Confusion . . . Wait, okay, how many SG albums ARE there? What are there names? I've only seen their first one (name forgotten), Badmotorfinger, and Superunknown. What am I missing? The Guitarist ------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Hole Sun... In a message dated 95-10-14 18:09:10 EDT, Moon Druid wrote: >In my eyes, indisposed, Ethan Hennessy said.. > >>Spoonman I actually liked, in a funky kind o' way, but I hated Black Hole >>Sun from the first time I heard it. 30 seconds into the song, my mind >>was made up. I hate it slightly less now, but radio overkill has about >>nullified that..... > >Oddly enough, that was the song that got me hooked on Soundgarden. I heard >Black Hole Sun on MTV and I HAD to get the album. I thought it was overplayed >but I could never get enough of it. >Spoonman, on the other hand, I never really liked. I thought it was kinda >boring. I don't know why, though. A lot of people really like it!!! > >Moon Druid (the official unofficial Gardener Assistant) > > That gives me an idea for another survey/poll type thing! What was the first song you (the current reader of this E-mail, whomever it may be . . . oh what the heck, all you SG fans!) heard of SG that got you into them? I also saw Black Hole Sun on MTV, but I just couldn't stand that video! Then my friend got the album, and while I was just flipping through its tracks, I heard 4th of July, and BOOM: copied the album to a tape and brought it home. After I got used to it (before Soundgarden, I didn't even like any form of rock music!), I went and got the TAB (guitar music for all you outsiders) for it and . . . . well . . . lived happily ever after? Rocked! . . . yeah, I like that one better . . . What about you folks? The Guitarist ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: Foppbomb On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Kristina H. Teegerstrom wrote: > **I heard that Chris didn't write Spoonman for Artis the guy who plays > spoons in the video for the song, I heard that "Spoonman" was one of the > titles that Jeff Ament made up for the fake "Citizen Dick" album or ep for > the movie Singles. Apparently the fake title inspired Chris and he wrote > the song, later employing his acquaintance Artis to work with him. Of > course, this could be wrong because I think I read it in a magazine a long > time ago... you are dead right krissy. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed the credit to jeff ament next to the spoonman lyrics. so we have him to thank for the title. now if we could only hear the album chris supposedly wrote and recorded under the name citizen dick :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Black Hole Sun... Um, i got in to sg by hearing flower. I thought it was pretty cool, but nothing special. Then i heard the Flower ep, and toybox made me a soundgarden fan. But i guess since i didn't hear sg for a while, BMF got me back into them. What song? Um, Rusty Cage? Or was it Jesus Christ Pose? Or was it Searching w/ My Good Eye Closed? I don't think i can say. They all kicked ass. and my ears will never be the same. -j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Demo question I saw a cd in a local record store that was in the sg section. Unfortunately, it only had two sg songs on it. The cd was a collection of demos from Seattle bands. I didn't pay attention to the other bands, but one of the Soundgarden songs was called "My summoning" or something like that. I could be wrong though because my memory isn't functioning very well right now. At any rate i know the song was one i haven't seen listed on the discogs. I'll go in the store again tomorrow and check the name of the song again. Does anyone else know about this song? Well, thanx for any help, j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: Re: Sarcastic Original Mass Mailing System? SOMMS is supposed to sound like Psalms, y'know, those are Soundgarden's Psalms! Right? I am way off the mark with this one? On Sun, 15 Oct 1995 Experiment@aol.com wrote: > Y'know, I was just thinking, what does SOMMS mean, anyway? > > > > > The Guitarist > > "Don't you lock up something that you wanted to see fly" - Fell on Black > Days, SG > ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Punk Type Thing On Sat, 14 Oct 1995 MoonDruid@aol.com wrote: > With a green mohawk, Carolyn the MF said... > > >Ah, but why stop there? How about going back as far as The Clash??? When I > >think Punk, I think The Clash. Sure, I love Soundgarden, but I also like > >other varieties of music, including...............yes, punk music!! And not > >ashamed to admit it. I guess I'm not critical enough of music for Daniel > >Garrett's liking, because I own albums by Offspring, and the "equally awful" > >Green Day, and Bad Religion (& also ones by others like Pennywise, Rancid, > >Sprung Monkey, NOFX, and of course The Clash!). > > Punk is a waste of great musicians. It is (as said before) three or four > power chords, loud beats, and no rules. (When they say PJ Harvey is punk, > without the rules, I can't help but laugh. PUNK HAS NO RULES!!!) Rancid is > still punk. They can play a beat that sounds more like something from a > 1960's surf movie, and it's great. They can play that damn circus song > (dah-da-da-da-da-dah-dod-da-da-dah) and it's a song. > Punk guitarists are usually very good musicians that like the idea of > standing up on stage, making asses of themselves, and blasting out a few > chords. In punk, you can do anything. > Soundgarden, or grunge metal, has a distinct sound of loud, powerful, great > stuff to headbang to, and great stuff to just plain listen to. At punk > concerts, people crowd-ride to make asses of themselves. At grunge concerts, > people crowd-ride because the guy next to them got a little over-excited. At > punk concerts, there's a mosh pit with people wearing masks and carrying > dolls and looking stupid. At grunge concerts, people mosh because the guy > next to you got a little overexcited :) > > Moon Druid (the UNOFFICIAL Assistant Gardener) > i'd hardly call punk a waste though. a lot of good bands either have roots in punk or got into music because of punk. just because punk is easy to play and write, doesn't mean it's not good music. U2 started as a punk band, the whole grunge seattle thing is grounded in punk, and the clash were punk, but they were also a great band, which spawned other good bands, such as big audio dynamite. because of the sex pistols, we have public image limited. the clash were a very intense band, with some of their songs not only very good musically, but also very intricate (no, i'm not talking about "should i stay or should i go") even rancid is more than just a punk band, they do some good ska as well. ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Mother Love Bone-any good? On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Si tu pouvais savoir... wrote: > I'm sure someone on here has a least one Mother Love Bone album. Are they any > good? Do they sound anything like Soundgarden? > they don't sound like the garden, but they are a great band. or that would be were a great band. still, definitely worth picking up. there are about five really good songs on the album, and the rest aren't too bad. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 71] ***************************************