From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 12 Oct 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:03:50 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 12 Oct 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Matt Cameron: Link to Satanism? Mailing List Concerns - please read 665->667 misquotation clarification vids in movies Re: Ripoff bands -Reply There's more to conversation than Soundgarden. Re: Ripoff bands are a figment of your imagination. There's more to conversation than Soundgarden. Revisited! .... a suggestion. Re: Matt Cameron: Link to Satanism? Re: Ripoff bands are a figment of your imagination. Re: MAILMAN! RE: Erudite #9, 78,1 Re: Ripoff bands Re: your mail Reason I like sg RE: Erudite #9, 78,1 Ultramega OK bouncing Banning Hallowe'en Yet another idea for a top ten list. Seth - please check........ Re: Mailman...he's a cool guy Re: Ripoff bands In Defense of "I Awake" Re: your mail Why I Like Soundgarden Yet another idea for a top ten list. Reason I like sg Re: Ripoff bands Can't we all just get along? Re: your mail Re: Seth - please check........ Re: Reason I like sg mailman Re: Yet another idea for a top ten list. Re: Reason I like sg Mail"me"man Re: Ripoff bands Spoonman? Re: Seth's concerns re: reasons Re: Matt Cameron: Satanist? Re:Bush Soundgarden doing "Israel's Son" New Album Re: a silent peson Re: re Re: We are all homophobic??? Since when?!? RE: Erudite #9, 78,1 Re: Isn't this list for... MY FUN why i like sg Re: In Defense of "I Awake" Re: Reason I like sg Retail Value :Sale price + tax Seattle Scene Re: MY FUN Don't reply Titles? I'm still just a rat in a cage come together with your hands AiC manager Re: mouthful of cotton Re: Don't reply random topics Re: Seth's concerns Re: Seth's concerns Ripoffs-again! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: LaMONT SANFORD Subject: Matt Cameron: Link to Satanism? This happens to be my second post. I would beg for mercy, but I don't give a fuck what other people think of my posts. I just want everyone to know: I will not discuss other bands, UNLESS IT IS DIRECTLY AFFECTING OR PRETAINING TO SOUNDGARDEN. And so if your wondering: I have been a fan of soundgarden since UltraMega OK, so I'm not a fairweather listener. Not that it matters. I just want to add something to the question about satanism in soundgarden music. Matt Cameron publishes himself under the label "Walpurgis Night Music". Look at the notes for "Fresh Tendrils" or (mostly) anything of BadMotorFinger. For those of you not informed about what Walpurgis Night is: I believe it is the longest night of summer and on the Satanists calandar, it is the second most important holiday, after one's birthday. Now, fight amongst yourself as to what this means. Just as a closer my favorite Soundgarden song is "Flutter Girl" and for reasons unknown I really enjoy "Half" and "Hand of God". SatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataS Go in Peace and Serve the Lord Aaron Gary Beyer Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes. T.V. Ministers reaffirm my belief that the flies were the last to pick at Jesus' brain. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Mailing List Concerns - please read Hello all. This is going to be a long message, but something I feel is necessary for the 'happy' continuation of this mailing list. So please bear with me. What follows are pieces from some messages I sent directly to some list members about this matter, and from what I sent to Seth privately after he posted a message to us all called "concerns". Most of Seth's reply to me also follows: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I (Carolyn) wrote: >................I like the fact that we (united only because we are all lovers of >Soundgarden) can feel free to talk about other issues, not just Soundgarden >ones. If we only wanted to know sg facts, shouldn't we just look at the SG >home page on the www??? Maybe I should unsubscribe, if it's only going to >turn out as a boring fact-finding/answering mission. Somone else responded: *What can I say - you've expressed all that I felt after reading Seth's post *and Limo Wreck's latest efforts. It worries me - I'm finding myself saying *"I remember the good old days" - and I haven't really been on the list THAT *long... * *What Seth said went quite against what I thought mailing lists were about... *to me, it's like any other club meeting in the "real world", people linked *by a common love who also like to talk about other things. IMHO, if we stick *to SG, as you said, we should look at the SG Web Page - furthermore, if this *is what the mailing list boils down to, we should just compose FAQ sheets *with every question imaginable about SG and this combined with the *discography would satisfy all people for their thirst for SG knowledge. Carolyn again: >Which brings me to the photos issue. I mean, doesn't the idea of knowing >the people who post to the list mean we're getting "social", which is just >what Seth doesn't want? Now I'm starting to think I might have to lay low >for a while now on the list - just read the postings but not send anything >myself, unless it's ONLY something to do with Soundgarden. Wouldn't that >become rather boring?........... The same someone else again: *.....Maybe we have got 300+ members, but a list of no-posters doesn't work *- it is people like you and I, Glenn, Jamie, Moon Druid, Clown with Bazooka *etc.etc. who keep this list going... lets get this matter sorted out. Carolyn: >Seth, have you had many other responses to your original post? I'd be >interested to know what others on the list think. Please write back to me - - I >care about the somms list & don't want to see it disappear into >nothingness..............!! And now our Hero, Seth wrote: >What was on my mind apparently didn't get transferred accurately to my >fingers when I was typing my 'concerns' message. I do not at all mind >posts that do not directly relate to Soundgarden. I enjoy reading the >debates about Silverchair and STP and such. I definitely agree that >the list would be boring indeed if we talked of nothing but SG and >anyone who did was totally shot down. > [snip] > >.........People who >join the list now are more likely to unsubscribe after two days >because of the low SG to "noise" ratio. I thought that it might be >good if the newcomers were to take over the role of providing SG food >for thought, and we could engage in those conversations as well as >talking privately about other stuff (like how we spent our weekend, >etc.). > >[It seemed to me that the list picked up quite a bit today. Most of >the posts are really interesting, and many of them aren't specifically >about SG, but like I said, that isn't my primary concern.] > >Maybe I'm not good at this job because I don't belong to any other >mailing lists, so I don't know the "right" way to do it. I honestly >meant what I said about it being your list, not mine. I really >shouldn't have let my personal preferences get in the way of your >interaction. The list really should just be however the posters feel >it should be, and that feeling should be expressed by the types of >messages they post, not by posts that say (like mine did) "post this, >but don't post this." > >I apologize, and please forward this to......., and whoever else you feel >might be concerned (I haven't had any negative feedback from my post). >Feel free to forward it to the list, too. > >Drowning my sorrows in a bowl of Badmotorkrispies, > >seth ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes, I know that was long and I apologise! but I thought a lot of you would want to know all of this. I guess the main thing is, we should keep posting to our heart's content if it's anything even remotely to do with Soundgarden or music, but when it's total bullshit we're going to write (like "I'm off for the weekend, love you all", etc etc) just 'save it, just keep it off my wave' - you know what I mean? Oh, and keep flames to a minimum, unless they're done in jest, and PLEASE, when replying to a message & sending it to the mailing list, how about deleting the majority of the message you're replying to rather than repeating the whole thing? - don't forget we've already seen it once!! You can just leave in the sentence/paragraph or two that you're talking about, rather than the whole original message. And let's remember why we're here. Because we love Soundgarden!! Bye for now. Carolyn the Marzipan Fingerer (thanks Jackhammer) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: 665->667 I remember Kim Thayil saying something about this in an interview on Much Music. I have it on video. I'm hitting the sack right now but I can transcribe his words tomorrow. Chris Mackenzie "Why aren't they singing - take you're vitamins, be a nice person?" - Soundgarden, Big Dumb Sex (New Version) "I dreamnt of Cindy & her thorazine screams and her perma-teen light & I've seen her loose her mind" - Truly, Angelhead ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: misquotation clarification >On Mon, 9 Oct 1995 UnknMan@aol.com wrote: > >> >Were you here earlier for the "Big veins" discussion. My theory was that he >> >was on heroien. It's just an assumption, read the disclaimer below. >> >> This really bothered me back when we discussed Sheppard's veins. I've never >> done heroine (or any other of that nonsense for that matter) and I have veins This is of course misleading....I said the second part.. NOT THE FIRST.. Misqouting has got to go... I was justifying that Ben could very well have the 'big vein syndrome' via bass playing. Some other member of the list should be quoted as saying the first statement. NOT ME! Thank you for your time... UnknownMan ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: vids in movies I caught some of Jesus Christ Pose in SFW... the video that is.. not just the music, but the vid. I can't remember if it was when Spab was watching TV or hosting that cheesy music television program. Also if anyone wants to contribute to the transposition of 'Flower', E-mail me directly to avoid mailing list clutter please. Thank you and have a good day/night/afternoon/dinner/lunch/whatever time of day it might be (c: If anyone thinks this is a bad idea, E-mail me. If anyone wants to say anything about it at all E-mail. Just someone E-mail me about this subject.. it's depressing to know that no one has done so yet... UnknownMan (yeah so I talk alot now... I still will never achieve elite status) (c: ------------------------------ From: Daniel Ladle Subject: Re: Ripoff bands -Reply Dear matt, Er, Soundgarden didn't capitalise on that whole "Grunge" thing actually. Dan ------------------------------ From: scsmeyri@ucsalf.ac.uk (stacy.meyrick) Subject: There's more to conversation than Soundgarden. I'd just like to ask what a warranted piece of mail actually is, or for that matter, who has a right to say when one is or one isn't? I'm all for talking about Soundgarden but has anybody noticed where any of these conversations are going? Having had all the discussions about Matt, (I'm sure Chris and Kim have both had their fair share), we move on to Ben, say pretty much the same things then start again with Chris. I thought the idea of a mailing list was to bring together a group of people with a common ground and talk about music, as well as Soundgarden. I thought this was meant to be fun, and all I can say is that it's not much fun when someone tells you that you can't talk about something because it's not 100% Soundgarden. When do the conversations on "has Chris ever shaved his head", or "where can I find any of the bands pubic hair" come in. In fact, I've not been here that long so I'll bet at least one of these has already been covered. Don't restrict the conversation, there'll be nothing left to talk about, and let's face it, if you don't find it interesting, you don't have to read it. Why do I like Soundgarden? Well, Nancy, you've kept the Soundgarden ball rolling, probably for the best because it warrants my mail (and don't be silent, speak up and be heard). I like Soundgarden because their music has personality, it's a good influence to write to, and above all, you get an hours worth of play on SuperUnknown. Very soon I'm of to the nearest record shop to purchase a brand new gleeming copy of Soundgarden's Louder than Love LP, I'd like to thank all of you for pushing me through the door, especially Jamesetta, that's a pretty nice offer but seeing as though my grants through (small celebrations and party hats) I may as well buy it, but thanks anyway. So to keep the complaints down, er, Soundgarden. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ripoff bands are a figment of your imagination. From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >(I wonder if Chris would object to singing a song written by a 16 year old?) > >See you around... >Avatar Now there a statement - do you feel that a 16 year old can't write, or do you think Chris is an age bigot? The only problem I see someone young having in writing would be lack of experience. And that now a days isn't always true. I just stop working for a crisis hot line and believe me I have talked to 14 year olds and younger that have had worst life experience's than me. So if the talents there and the emotion I don't think age is a factor. I don't believe Chris would have the lease bit of trouble singing a song (a good song) done by anyone regardless of age, race, sex or any of the other restriction we place on the human race. Jamie God, I just read what I wrote, I'll try to stay away from the list today - brain cells are not doing well...... BTW: I know this is not a SG question - but has anyone else heard the new Smashing Pumpkin song (something about life is a vampire) - doesn't he sound like Mick Jagger?????? ------------------------------ From: Liesl A Asiu Subject: There's more to conversation than Soundgarden. Revisited! .... a suggestion. Stacy, I can't say I read your entire message (a bit too long to keep the attention) but I got the gist of it and my suggestion is: If we take the time to poperly describe the content of our messages in our subject lines then we will save quite alot of time. I usually delete the subjects that do not look interesting to me. If some of us want to read ALL of the messages then they shouldn't complain. Liesl >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 11:46 BST >From: scsmeyri@ucsalf.ac.uk (stacy.meyrick) >To: somms@MIT.EDU >Subject: There's more to conversation than Soundgarden. >Content-Length: 1892 > >I'd just like to ask what a warranted piece of mail actually is, or for > that matter, who has a right to say when one is or one isn't? I'm all > for talking about Soundgarden but has anybody noticed where any of these > conversations are going? Having had all the discussions about Matt, > (I'm sure Chris and Kim have both had their fair share), we move on to > Ben, say pretty much the same things then start again with Chris. I > thought the idea of a mailing list was to bring together a group of > people with a common ground and talk about music, as well as > Soundgarden. I thought this was meant to be fun, and all I can say is > that it's not much fun when someone tells you that you can't talk about > something because it's not 100% Soundgarden. When do the conversations > on "has Chris ever shaved his head", or "where can I find any of the > bands pubic hair" come in. In fact, I've not been here that long so > I'll bet at least one of these has already been covered. Don't restrict > the conversation, there'll be nothing left to talk about, and let's > face it, if you don't find it interesting, you don't have to read it. > >Why do I like Soundgarden? Well, Nancy, you've kept the Soundgarden > ball rolling, probably for the best because it warrants my mail (and > don't be silent, speak up and be heard). I like Soundgarden because > their music has personality, it's a good influence to write to, and > above all, you get an hours worth of play on SuperUnknown. > >Very soon I'm of to the nearest record shop to purchase a brand new > gleeming copy of Soundgarden's Louder than Love LP, I'd like to thank > all of you for pushing me through the door, especially Jamesetta, that's > a pretty nice offer but seeing as though my grants through (small > celebrations and party hats) I may as well buy it, but thanks anyway. > >So to keep the complaints down, er, Soundgarden. > > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Matt Cameron: Link to Satanism? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > For those of you not informed about what >Walpurgis Night is: I believe it is the longest night of summer and on >the Satanists calandar, it is the second most important holiday, after >one's birthday. Now, fight amongst yourself as to what this means. It means that Matt is a very smart boy and he knows some trivia that may perk someone attention - like yours maybe. I don't know about the rest of you, but I love Halloween - does that make me a worshipper of the black arts (unless you understand that a witch can practice both white and black magic). All Hollows Eve is not a Christian celebration. In fact here in the United States, there are some religious sect that want to do away with Halloween - they see it as a pagan holiday. So, in a few weeks - come to my house and I'll give you some candy - I just love little monsters and ghouls, put them in the pot and boil, boil, turmoil and trouble, eye of .......... Ooops forgot where I was! Jamie ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: Ripoff bands are a figment of your imagination. > One Silverchair song I can imagine Soundgarden doing is Israel's son... > It would sound really cool with Chris' voice... anyone else think so? > > (I wonder if Chris would object to singing a song written by a 16 year old?) > > See you around... > - Avatar > Definitely dude! What about madman w/ the very distinctive SG sound? PEACEMAN-2000 ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: MAILMAN! What is your wacky idea? (don't be bashfull, that is why we are here) I need to hear it a few more times (is that possible?!?!) before I can decide. On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Andrew Northcutt wrote: > I want to start a poll: > What do you all think Mailman's lyrics are about? I've got this all wacky > idea and wanted to know if it I'm not the only one. > Thanx > SGM > ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: RE: Erudite #9, 78,1 On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > I wish that i understood this. For the life of me i cant figure it out. > >> On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Kate Mercier wrote: > > Hello-- Maybe your personal god's proper name is "Yahweh", but that > > doesn't mean everyone else's is. Please avoid trying to name my god. > > Thank you very much. My god's name is Chris. Any questions? ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: Ripoff bands On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Andrew Northcutt wrote: > > In response to Bush, I don't see that much SG in them. I saw them > > live with the Toadies (who rock so hard), and the lead singer, Gavin, > > actually seems to be different than all the depressed, moody singers I'm > > used to. In my opinion they are good, though not as good (obviously) as SG. I have to agree with this. Way back in early June, a friend of mine bought the Bush CD, but didn't like it. He offered to lend it to me, and he hasn't seen it since (he never will either). It has earned a permanent place in disk #2 on my Sony 5cd changer. And not just for the big name radio songs, Little Things and the other one. It is all the other good songs on the album that I like (there are only about one or two that I don't like. mike ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: your mail On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, someone wrote: > The only problem is, if this was to happen, would Nirvana and Soundgarden > just fall into mediocrity if everyone else sounded like them? > > Jackhammer. NO. ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Reason I like sg One very good reason I can think of for why I like Soundgarden (this one comes with the unspoken convention that Chris' lyrics, songwriting, and vocals are the best out there): Matt is the best modern day drummer there is. I even think he is better than Dave Grohl, and that's really saying something. I too would like to hear everyone's reasons. mike ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Erudite #9, 78,1 From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > >> I wish that i understood this. For the life of me i cant figure it out. >> > Hello-- Maybe your personal god's proper name is "Yahweh", but that >> > doesn't mean everyone else's is. Please avoid trying to name my god. >> > Thank you very much. > >My god's name is Chris. Any questions? Yes - - - Where do I go to get baptized?????? Jamie ------------------------------ From: dgarrett@bcs.org.uk (Daniel Garrett) Subject: Ultramega OK Can anyone be pal and do me a copy of Ultramega OK, I know I consider myself a rabid fan of SG but this album has always eluded me, recent postings about some of the tracks on it has reminded me I have to get hold of it, and it is hard to find in the UK. I'll be happy to pay postage/cassette price, mail me personally if you can help. Cheers Daniel Garrett ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: bouncing Are any of you having the problem of getting messages from the list twice? Am I the only one? I've gotten most of your posts at least twice, and sometimes even four times. I know this could be b/c some people send them twice due to returned mail, etc. But the problem has persisted. If anyone (including Seth) can help me stop this, please let me know. mike ------------------------------ From: Rona Scobie Subject: Banning Hallowe'en Jamesetta (WOW what a a name!)sorry, Jamie, I think that those religious sects in the States who want to ban Hallowe'en should be informed that Jesus Christ was not born on the 25th December- the religious powers at the time decided to coincide Christmas Day with an old Roman (and therefore pagan) festival in the hope that the heathens would not indulge in heinous activities!!! So, they can ban Hallowe'en but ban Christmas with it! Rona ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Yet another idea for a top ten list. I think it would be pretty cool if people would post their top ten fave Soundgarden lyrics. One vote was just not enough, Clown, imho. so what do yall think, fellow listites? *************************************************************************** "The words you say -"The Day i Tried to Live" never seem to live up to by the ones inside your head" Soundgarden **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: Seth - please check........ From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Jamie, your messages are coming through twice. Just thought i'd tell >you. -j > >Any of you having the problem of getting messages from the list twice? >Am I the only one? I've gotten most of your posts at least twice, and >sometimes even four times. I know this could be b/c some people send >them twice due to returned mail, etc. But the problem has persisted. >If anyone (including Seth) can help me stop this, please let me know. >mike Seth, I just posted mail to someone not on the SG list and no one else is getting my posting twice. Do we have a demon in the mail list........ I will reboot our system just to make sure. Sorry to all others if it is my system. I hate getting junk (I mean mail) twice......... Jamie ------------------------------ From: Kelly M Allen Subject: Re: Mailman...he's a cool guy I'm sorry they killed the guy too! Krazed and Determined Bitch On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > Chris, > You are correct, Mailman is indeed about a Mailman that goes insane and > goes on a shooting spree after he is fired. I believe the mailman in > question is from the washington state area. I think they executed him > after he was caught, because Chris said during a concert in the seattle > are that he was sorry they killed him. I live in washington and I remember > hearing something about it in the news, but I cannot remember quite what. > Clown With Bazooka > > ******************************************************************* > Shame Shame > Throw Yourself Away > Give Me Little Bits Of > More Than I Can Take > If It Sits Upon Your Tongue > Or Naked In Your Eyes > Give Me Little Bits Of > More Than I Can Try -Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: Ripoff bands On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Milkman wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Andrew Northcutt wrote: > > > > In response to Bush, I don't see that much SG in them. I saw them > > > live with the Toadies (who rock so hard), and the lead singer, Gavin, > > > actually seems to be different than all the depressed, moody singers I'm > > > used to. In my opinion they are good, though not as good (obviously) as SG. > > I have to agree with this. Way back in early June, a friend of mine > bought the Bush CD, but didn't like it. He offered to lend it to me, and > he hasn't seen it since (he never will either). It has earned a > permanent place in disk #2 on my Sony 5cd changer. And not just for the > big name radio songs, Little Things and the other one. It is all the > other good songs on the album that I like (there are only about one or > two that I don't like. > mike >Sorry dude, I've been misquoted. Flame me if you want but I'm the one that thinks that Bush is a complete Nirvana ripoff. And I don't mean to hurt your feelings but I think that none of their lyrics make any sense. No point, just concentrate on making a rhyme and that's what you end up with. C-YA! Sorry for not agreeing with you. PEACEMAN-2000 ------------------------------ From: DanaBT@aol.com Subject: In Defense of "I Awake" Okay, I can't really explain why I like this song except that it has some really heavy riffs that are very "Soundgardenish" to me. I found it interesting that Chris dedicated it to Andrew Wood a couple of weeks after he died during a German tv show I have taped called Rocklife. My thoughts were that it was about an abusive relationship, any other ideas or is it "who cares because I hate that song anyway"? The song that I don't care for however, is "Heretic". I don't hate it but it sounds as though someone is strangling Chris. The lyrics are kind of lame too. I also picked up Supermotorfinger at Blockbuster Music, but it was too damn expensive!! Seth, you got a good deal. "She Likes Surprises" is a pretty cool tune but I wouldn't recommend running out and buying the set just for this one song. Thirty-three bucks is alot to swallow especially if you're on a tight budget, as I know many of the college students on this list are. ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: your mail On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, John Grieves wrote: > >> not see this with is the Offspring, who just completely ripped off Nirvana. > > > >Personally i would be damn happy if every band out there in musicland > >sounded like nirvana and soundgarden. > > > > The only problem is, if this was to happen, would Nirvana and Soundgarden > just fall into mediocrity if everyone else sounded like them? >>>Probably not. imho, other bands wouldn't be able to keep up with soundgarden. >>>-j Hell the couldn't keep up with matt let alone the rest of the band. Clown *************************************************************************** "The words you say -"The Day i Tried to Live" never seem to live up to by the ones inside your head" Soundgarden **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Why I Like Soundgarden Reasons why I Like Soundgarden, The downright Bizzare guitar tunings, Kim's Guitar play, Bens's quirky songs, Matt drumming like he has extra extremities and the extra brains to control them.(I truly believe he has extra hands, after hearing wooden jesus) Chris's voice and lyrics, Kim eminating darkness from the center of the earth on his guitar. The number one reason that I like soundgarden is that hearing songs like Beyond The Wheel, Gun, Rusty Cage, Slaves and Bulldozers, Fourth Of July live is almost as good as sex, (but not quite) Clown With Bazooka _______________________________________________________________________________ They're all a Bunch Of Clowns With Bazookas. -Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Yet another idea for a top ten list. >I think it would be pretty cool if people would post their top ten fave >Soundgarden lyrics. One vote was just not enough, Clown, imho. so what >do yall think, fellow listites? No problem, if people want to post they're top five fave lyrics i will be happy to compile them. Clown *************************************************************************** "The words you say -"The Day i Tried to Live" never seem to live up to by the ones inside your head" Soundgarden **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Reason I like sg One very good reason I can think of for why I like Soundgarden (this one comes with the unspoken convention that Chris' lyrics, songwriting, and vocals are the best out there): Matt is the best modern day drummer there is. I even think he is better than Dave Grohl, and that's really saying something. I too would like to hear everyone's reasons. mike ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: Ripoff bands On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Andrew Northcutt wrote: > > In response to Bush, I don't see that much SG in them. I saw them > > live with the Toadies (who rock so hard), and the lead singer, Gavin, > > actually seems to be different than all the depressed, moody singers I'm > > used to. In my opinion they are good, though not as good (obviously) as SG. I have to agree with this. Way back in early June, a friend of mine bought the Bush CD, but didn't like it. He offered to lend it to me, and he hasn't seen it since (he never will either). It has earned a permanent place in disk #2 on my Sony 5cd changer. And not just for the big name radio songs, Little Things and the other one. It is all the other good songs on the album that I like (there are only about one or two that I don't like. mike ------------------------------ From: dgarrett@bcs.org.uk (Daniel Garrett) Subject: Can't we all just get along? On 10th October Daniel S. Perry wrote: > > On the topic of worst band member (yes, this is to Daniel Garrett): I'm > impressed that you know Matt so well as to hate or dislike him. > Personally, I reserve such judgments until I know someone personally. He > is a wonderfully talented individual who deserves no less respect than any > of the other band members. Daniel I'm impressed that you know me well enough to say that I dislike or hate Ben, my remark about the worst band member was meant to be light-hearted, you know a bit of fun?? which led into mentioning the abusive comments he made about fans in an interview he gave last year. I don't think we should put any of the band on a pedestal and if they say or do something suspect then it should be discussed. If people are so bothered by this I will go to the trouble of digging out said interview and transcribing it - so there. Daniel Garrett ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Subject: Re: your mail >On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, someone wrote: >> The only problem is, if this was to happen, would Nirvana and Soundgarden >> just fall into mediocrity if everyone else sounded like them? >> >> Jackhammer. > >NO. If every bad sounded like every other band, maybe SG wouldn't fall into mediocrity, but it wouldn't be the same. Personally, if I turned on the radio and I heard the same sounds coming out all the time, I wouldn't even want to listen to any music at all anymore. It would get so boring!! Maybe I would still like listening to SG, but I don't know. Good thing our world isn't like that,huh? I like variety. Variety is the spice of life as some people say. Anyway, I'm back, if you couldn't tell.-Sara ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Subject: Re: Seth - please check........ >>Jamie, your messages are coming through twice. Just thought i'd tell >>you. -j >> >>Any of you having the problem of getting messages from the list twice? >>Am I the only one? I've gotten most of your posts at least twice, and >>sometimes even four times. I know this could be b/c some people send >>them twice due to returned mail, etc. But the problem has persisted. >>If anyone (including Seth) can help me stop this, please let me know. >>mike > >Seth, > >I just posted mail to someone not on the SG list and no one else is getting my >posting twice. Do we have a demon in the mail list........ I will reboot our >system just to make sure. Sorry to all others if it is my system. I hate >getting junk (I mean mail) twice......... > >Jamie I was getting some people's stuff twice, but not Jamie's. -Sara ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Subject: Re: Reason I like sg >One very good reason I can think of for why I like Soundgarden (this one >comes with the unspoken convention that Chris' lyrics, songwriting, and >vocals are the best out there): > >Matt is the best modern day drummer there is. I even think he is better >than Dave Grohl, and that's really saying something. > >I too would like to hear everyone's reasons. > mike I like SG because I like the music, the words,the beats. Each song affects me differently and i think that is what I like about it. I don't know, it sparks something inside of me and makes me think. But the songs are also fun to hear and listen to. I guess it is kind of hard to explain. I'll stop babbling on about it now.-Sara ------------------------------ From: 945818@utb.edu Subject: mailman here are a few thoughts of mine on the lyrics to the song mailman. i dunno, but the lyrics make me think that chris is addressing somebody who cut him down all time. he's telling them that no matter what they think of him, he's still gonna make it. then there are the lines, "i know i'm headed for the bottom, but i'm riding you all the way." one way of looking at that is he's taking whoever cut him down down with him. i guess it's all in the way you interpret it for yourself. of course it could be about a pistol-packin postal worker, but who knows. his mind works in mysterious ways. jennifer ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Subject: Re: Yet another idea for a top ten list. >I think it would be pretty cool if people would post their top ten fave >Soundgarden lyrics. One vote was just not enough, Clown, imho. so what >do yall think, fellow listites? > >*************************************************************************** > "The words you say -"The Day i Tried to Live" > never seem to live up to by > the ones inside your head" Soundgarden >**************************************************************************** Great idea!! I'll think about it later, cause I really have to run to class now!! ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: Reason I like sg > > Matt is the best modern day drummer there is. I even think he is better > than Dave Grohl, and that's really saying something. > Mike wrote this and I have to agree because Matt is one of my drumming influences. So, who said that Dave Grohl was good? He's a simple 4/4 drummer! PEACEMAN-2000 ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Mail"me"man Thanx to those who have sent me ideas of what Mailman lyrics must be about. I'm still waiting for more entries! I have noticed that most of you focus on "but I'm taking you all the way." part and that "I'm below you" part. What about the "For all your kisses turned to spit in my face?" Huh? Keep sending ideas I'm still waiting for more(I only got about 6 or 7! I know you guys can do better and write to me!). Please write those of you that haven't! I'm eager to listen ideas of you all. I'll later on give a compilation of what most people think and of what I've always thought the lyrics mean. Oooops work-study gotta go C-Ya! PEACEMAN-2000 ------------------------------ From: "Michael T. Daul" Subject: Re: Ripoff bands Howdy. I just subscribed to this SG list thing, so I am unacquainted with the proper way to go about expressing my opinions, but here goes... First of all, I think Nirvana is/was a great band - they had a profound affect on both musicians and fans alike, but in terms of talent I think they are/were lacking a lot. Nirvana was the bridge back to the old notion of three chords and the truth in mainstream music. I think Kurt had lots of interesting guitar riffs and his voice is neat, but he was not very musically colpex, although this isn't really a measure of tallent. As for Dave Ghrol(sp?) someone on this SG thing mentioned he was a great drummer. I don't agree at all. His guitar work in Foo Fighters is much better than his drumming ever was. SG's drummer is great - but have you ever listened to Neil Pert(sp?) from Rush? Everyone I know who plays drums sees him as the greatest living drummer on the planet! Now, as for this band called Silverchair - talk about lyrics that don't make sense! Man, I don't really expect alot from a 16 year old, but some of those lyrics are ridiculous. "The water here is very hard to drink" - wow, that's impressive - I'm sure that Young Mr. Johns had some deep rooted meaning in that song, but I sure missed it. However, on the bright side, I am so impressed with the fact that a band so young has made it so big - it gives a glimmer of hope to all of those garage bands out there... I like soundgarden basically for the emotion of their music. When I'm in a mood in a serious way, be it sad, happy or wwhatever, SG seems to help explode that emotion into some bigger ride, or something. They are just so great to chill to. My favorite tune is Fell on Black Days - I love both the musicallity and the lyricallity of it. Chris Cornell's voice could not have found a better song to sing. ------------------------------ From: LaMONT SANFORD Subject: Spoonman? I also have never had any love for Spoonman. Most of the Soundgarden fans I have met have hated that song as well. Most of the non-fans love it. I think it's because spoonman is unexpected: it's different from alot of the other stuff, harder to catagorize. I don't know why they used that as their first release, but it made them popular, which I am happy for. How do the rest of you feel about Spoonman? Jesus saves the souls of sinners and redeems them for valuable cash prizes Don't try to kill your time, you might do it, then you can't change your mind =============================================================================== SatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataSatanoscillatemYmetallicsonataS =============================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) HI everyone! What is everyone talk ing about canceling Halloween for? Sorry I missed two days of messages. Could someone please explain this to me?Thanks -Sara ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: Seth's concerns I like 'em because Cameron is one of the best drummers I've ever seen. BDM On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, nancy e phend wrote: > Soundgarden question for everyone on the list. Name the ONE reason why > Soundgarden is your favorite band or one of your favorite bands. I will "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: harrimt5@wfu.edu (Matt Harrington) Subject: re: reasons The reason that SG is one of my favorite (my favorite?) bands is that they somehow combine the melody of many other alternative groups with harder guitars, and in my opinion, the harder the better. -Matt ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: Matt Cameron: Satanist? I seriously doubt if Cameron even knows what it means. He probably picked it because it sounded cool. It's a fairly common term to fans of horror stories, yes? BDM On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, LaMONT SANFORD wrote: > soundgarden music. Matt Cameron publishes himself under the label > "Walpurgis Night Music". Look at the notes for "Fresh Tendrils" or (mostly) "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: harrimt5@wfu.edu (Matt Harrington) Subject: Re:Bush In my opinion, Bush is very good, definately in the upper echelon (nice word, huh?) of bands I have heard. It took me about 8 times listening to 16 stone to really like it, but it really grows on you. The best songs are actually the ones they haven't released, like "body" - Great tune -Matt ------------------------------ From: harrimt5@wfu.edu (Matt Harrington) Subject: Soundgarden doing "Israel's Son" On October 11, Avatar wrote, >One Silverchair song I can imagine Soundgarden doing is Israel's son... >It would sound really cool with Chris' voice... anyone else think so? > Since Israel's Son is, in my opinion, Silverchair's best song, I think it would sound incredible if Chris sang it. His voice is much more powerful than Daniel Johns' (even though they are good ) Doubt this will ever happen though :( -Matt ************************** *"I'm riding you all the way!"-CC* ************************** ------------------------------ From: harrimt5@wfu.edu (Matt Harrington) Subject: New Album Since I'm a tad young to this digest, even though I'm sure this has been discussed, can anyone tell me about the new SG album, when it will be out, what's going to be on it, and any touring plans? Much appreciated -Matt **************************************************** *"I gather speed... * *From you fucking with me" -E. Vedder (yes I like PJ, so shoot me!)* **************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: Re: a silent peson That's a really good comeback. Don't forget to wipe it off your chin, buddy. On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Limo Wreck wrote: > On Oct 9, 4:42pm, EJ Fry wrote: > > Subject: Re: a silent peson > > > > Wait, you forgot to metion that YOU SUCK. > > > > On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Limo Wreck wrote: > > if i suck for voicing an opinion, which by the way seems to be favorable due to > the amount of responses i got in favor of, > > then you must swallow. > > -- > > Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A LimoWreck > j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu > http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html > > "To die unsung would really bring you down" -Helmet > "When they come to ethnically cleans me, will you > speak out, will you defend me?" -Pop Will Eat Itself > "I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Mary fuckin Christmas" > -Dennis Leary > ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: Re: re Aren't much for originality, are you??? On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, BdMtrFngr wrote: > Silverchair is a ripoff band definately. I hear so much Soundgarden > > in their songs it amazes me. ....... The only band I do > > not see this with is the Offspring, who just completely ripped off Nirvana. > > Personally i would be damn happy if every band out there in musicland > sounded like nirvana and soundgarden. > ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: Re: We are all homophobic??? Since when?!? WHAT IN THE MOTHERLOVIN NAME OF GOD DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SOUNDGARDEN??!!!! JEEESUS H CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!!!!! On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, URBANO wrote: > WARNING: The post you are about to read has nothing to do with > Soundgarden. It is just a little essay about homophobia. If you feel > offended by such content in any way. Please delete this post NOW. > > =========== HOMOPHOBIA IS A FACT. IN EVERYONE OF US ================== > > Some time ago, I had a school assignment -> a research about homophobia. > Homophobia is a little like good and evil. We all have a little bit of it > within ourselves. It doesn't matter how good you try to be, you will > always keep within yoursel the tiniest of hates to that little > something. The same goes for he who tries to be as evil as the devil > himself. He might always feel pity in the most extreme situation. > > Personally, I don't hate homosexuals or lesbians. (Neither religious > goups, some race or some other society). I might as well have an > homosexual friend if some homosexual wanted to be my friend (have you > ever wondered if any of your friends is, secretly, gay?, or even > yourself?). If I went around telling people that, they may think that I'm > not a homophobic. But (and there's always a "but") if some gay came to me > and tried to kiss me, hug me, convince me or anything related to > homosexuality, I just wouldn't tolerate it, he would earn my hate. It is > like a guy and a girl being friends. Modern society finds it hard to > believe that they are not lovers, modern society finds it hard to believe > that a straight guy can be a gay's friend. Homophobia is just a sotial > pressure which makes individuals hate a determined group. > > > URB@NO > ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: RE: Erudite #9, 78,1 Once again, the thought of unsubscribing runs rampant though my head. This is no goddamn philsophy or theology list. SOUNDGARDEN dammit!!! Don't post anymore listings that don't have to do with SOUNDGARDEN! Besides, I'd take over on any discussion involving theology or mythology. Thanks a lot, we're PRIMUS and we suck. On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > > > >Hello-- Maybe your personal god's proper name is "Yahweh", but that > >doesn't mean everyone else's is. Please avoid trying to name my god. > >Thank you very much. > > >Kate > > In regards to the naming of gods, Christians and Muslims often get > confused because Muslims say Allah and Christians say god. What most of > them don't realize is that god in Arabic is Allah and Vice Versa, nor do > they realize that before the start of the Islamic religion that Christians > in Arabic speaking countries referred to god as Allah and in fact still > do, the muslim religion is just a differrent method of worship. God > doesn't recognize language, cultural or racial barriers. So why whould we > argue over our supreme beings monniker. When it comes down to it we are > all worshipping the same thing. "To call a rose by any other name would it > not smell as sweet" -Shakespeare. > Clown > > >Maybe > > > > ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: Re: Isn't this list for... I cannot even fucking begin to believe you compared someone on this list who seems hostile to Adolf Hitler. What the fuck is this list coming to? On Tue, 10 Oct 1995 MoonDruid@aol.com wrote: > >Anyway, I thought the purpose of this mailing list was to bring us (SG > >lovers) together.... if that means that one of us are not even allowed to > >share something not directly dealing with SG then what is the sense? > >Lighten up will you.... > > I agree. I think that we should be allowed to talk about the Presidents of > the United States of America and not be flamed. I think we should be allowed > to talk about our love...or lack there of...of Silverchair. Maybe we > Soundgarden fans have different opinions about music than Live fans. Maybe we > Soundgarden fans like to do different things on the weekend than Annie Lennox > fans. > Most of all, maybe we Soundgarden fans can act a little more civil sometimes. > We're on this list to chat about our favorite band, make new friends from all > over the world, find out if it's REALLY worth it to buy that new Chilli > Peppers CD...our views on music should bring us together as friends. If I > wanna ask "Is it worth it to buy the Foo Fighters albim?" I'm asking YOU > becauase we're the ones that like SG. If I post on the Foo Fighters mailing > list, they're going to say YES and if I post on the Megadeth mailing list > they'll say NO. So, since I listen to Soundgarden, and you all listen to > Soundgarden, and we all like the music that Soundgarden makes (and if you > disagree with any of the above statements, then why are you here in the first > place?) then I think that I should be able to get an answer WITHOUT being > flamed by people like BadMtrFngr who have nothing better to do but insult > people that he doesn't like! That was what Adolf Hitler did!!! > > Moon Druid > ------------------------------ From: "Joseph A. Burnett" Subject: MY FUN ok, a few things------first, nobody here better offend mr. limo wreck, for he only wants to discuss the deep, meaningful topics that deal with soundgarden.....NO FUN......JUST BUSINESS HERE ON SOMMS......right mr. wreck? What does the "hole" in black hole sun mean? what is chris trying to say when he says......fuckfuckfuck...?....for christ's sake, mr. wreck, chill the fuck out, this isn't some lyrical analysis class at Harvard, it's just FUN!!!!!!!! second, urbano, from mexico, you're a stallion.......you've got a lot of patience to put up with three hundred pages of BULLSHIT from all of us.... but punk goes a bit beyond voivod.......try Operation Ivy, the Minutemen, Black Flag, NOFX, pennywise, the bollweivels, 311, or maybe even some old rancid..... third, anyone who says offspring are a nirvana rip-off, please do me a favor and get your head out of your ass and read the offspring's lyrics-------they actually have something to say in thier songs.........the whole band is college educated, and guess what! they were never in the biz for the underground scene.....they want cash, just like the rest of us........ well, i'm sick of reading mr. limo wreck's senior thesis on the genetic relationship between jesus christ and chris cornell, or the theory of how big dumb sex is about a dirty pussy or whatever........let's talk about something fun......let's talk drugs......somebody give me some facts on Ectasy.......does acid really rot your brain, or make you more stupid? come on, i wanna see some action out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you're all a bunch of slaves (and bulldozers)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how many of you people are alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON, LET'S SEE SOME ACTION OUT THERE!!!!!!! big joe ------------------------------ From: "Scott J. Schmidt" Subject: why i like sg On a Soundgarden-related note (albeit not one that the oldtimers will find particularly interesting): On October 11, nephend wrote: >I am not new to the mailing list but usually silent. Here is a new >Soundgarden question for everyone on the list. Name the ONE reason why >Soundgarden is your favorite band or one of your favorite bands. I will >start off with my reason: Chris Cornell's voice/vocal range. Looking >forward to seeing some interesting posts on this subject. > I'm going to try to describe this - maybe someone will know what I mean. SG's music has a kind of "landscape" of its own. I don't really know how else to describe it. Some music is incredibly flat, but SG's music - I don't know if it just stimulates more neurons or what - has an atmosphere that sets it apart. It's like the difference between B/W and color movies or something. It just hits the right synapses, I guess. Scratches an itch my brain didn't know it had. And, no, I'm not high. Also, listening to SG is a more active thing than listening to, say, Hootie & the Blowfish (no disrespect). The musical arrangements and lyrics are a lot more challenging. I think that's why they scare away so many top-40 types. It takes some effort to listen to em (at least at first). But once you're there, there's no going back. On October 11, jackhammer wrote: >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think someone told me that being a mailman in >the USA is really stressful (not sure why) and that they have a relatively >high suicide rate.... > Yes, and sadly the suicide is usually the coup-de-grace of a shooting spree. Indeed, the phenomenon is so wide-spread that it's spawned a new usage of the word postal - today when you lose your temper, you don't go "ballistic", you go "postal" (this from the movie "Clueless"). I've heard it theorized that the USPS suffers from _extremely_ bad management. But the pay is supposedly pretty good.... Scott ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: Re: In Defense of "I Awake" Speaking of Heretic, what album is that song from, its not an SG album, is it? That song grew on me and I must obtain it!!! Where can I get it? On Wed, 11 Oct 1995 DanaBT@aol.com wrote: > Okay, I can't really explain why I like this song except that it has some > really heavy riffs that are very "Soundgardenish" to me. I found it > interesting that Chris dedicated it to Andrew Wood a couple of weeks after he > died during a German tv show I have taped called Rocklife. My thoughts were > that it was about an abusive relationship, any other ideas or is it "who > cares because I hate that song anyway"? > The song that I don't care for > however, is "Heretic". I don't hate it but it sounds as though someone is > strangling Chris. The lyrics are kind of lame too. > I also picked up Supermotorfinger at Blockbuster > Music, but it was too damn expensive!! Seth, you got a good deal. "She Likes > Surprises" is a pretty cool tune but I wouldn't recommend running out and > buying the set just for this one song. Thirty-three bucks is alot to swallow > especially if you're on a tight budget, as I know many of the college > students on this list are. > ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: Re: Reason I like sg I have to disagree. Matt is damn good, but definately not the best modern day (?) drummer there is. And saying he's better than that Grohl character isn't saying shit to me. I think he blows. I think the best drummer out there today from any genre is Trilok Gurtu. On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Sara Louise Hoeck wrote: > >One very good reason I can think of for why I like Soundgarden (this one > >comes with the unspoken convention that Chris' lyrics, songwriting, and > >vocals are the best out there): > > > >Matt is the best modern day drummer there is. I even think he is better > >than Dave Grohl, and that's really saying something. > > > >I too would like to hear everyone's reasons. > > mike > I like SG because I like the music, the words,the beats. Each song affects > me differently and i think that is what I like about it. I don't know, it > sparks something inside of me and makes me think. But the songs are also > fun to hear and listen to. I guess it is kind of hard to explain. I'll > stop babbling on about it now.-Sara > > > ------------------------------ From: Askairi Williams Subject: Retail Value :Sale price + tax Hello there . When I posted my message , it was not meant to disturb the " harmony we all had on the list . It was merely meant to give my opinion on the matter . I merely said what I think is right . If you disagree , turn up the heat . I will not apologize for what I said , but I will apologize that it was written in such a way that it was grossly misconstrued . As a Republican ( I am to the right of Rush ) , I feel that we should get back to the family values that we always had . I believe in prayer in school . Welfare should go because we are paying all of these people to do nothing . Defense spending should stay where it is and we should pray to whatever deity that you like that our taxes are cut . I support a flat tax and massive changes in medicare and medicaid . Anyone burning the flag should be penalized because honest men in the 30',40's,and the 50's fought so we could have it and pyromaniac assholes that claim freedom of speech burn it and they have not fought a day in their lives to save America . Burning the flag should be like saying that you want to kill the president . If the rich get their taxes cut , so what ? You should be happy because they might be benevolent enough to try some trickle down economics . Bill Clinton is so flipity floppity that you could name him Flipper . Wait , that is a libel towards Flipper . In short , I stand by what I believe in so that others like Bill&Hill won't lead me to hell in a Whitewater Basket . Don't get me wrong , I love all ya'll but lighten up on the flaming because people want to express their opinion . Now back to the band ...... I think that Mailman is about a guy who is in the mailroom and he finally gets to the top of his company . He then reminisces about what it was like on the bottom and some of the people that mistreated him will be at his mercy . Sure , he could lose hi job but he's "riding you all the way " and that is what makes the song so sweet . Half is a song that is a little eccentric . I would like to know what it is about because I don't have a clue . I am enlightened to the fact that Superunknown was relly in fact about a reading impediment. I would like to thank ClownWithBazooka for the enlightenment . To all of you I bid a Conservative Adieu , College Boy ------------------------------ From: Michael Kitzman Subject: Seattle Scene Badmoterfinger says that I should get out more. As much as I would like to take the credit for the chart I put up of Seattle Bands I can't. All I had to do was copy it. You can thank Jo-Ann Greene and Dave Thompson. Who they are I don't know. I received it at the radio station that I work at. It is a promotion for the band Malfunkshun (consisting of Dave Hunt, David Reise, Andrew Wood and Kevin Wood) and it is bigger than what I sent but because the screen was not wide enough I didn't include it all. If you want more info mail me. Regarding the talk of Silverchair being a rip off band I don't see it quite so clearly. As I see it they are a bunch of kids that happened to get lucky and win a demo contest. From then on they got swept up in the glory of success and at that young of age who wouldn't go along for the ride. They are only 15 and 16, do you think that they supposed to act like 20-30 year olds (just to cover myself in no way am I saying being that young is bad). If you played music when you were 15 were you making music that was totally original and void of your influences. They are young enough to where they have not been around long enough to come up with a totally original style of music. If they were in their 20's then I might call them a rip-off band or more appropriatly a band that lacks enough talent to take thier influences and go in a new direction by taking the easy way out. But they are not so I see them as a band of teenagers that got lucky. Unfortunately I don't think that they will ever be able to develope their own style now that they have an expected sound, but who knows. The most important question is: Will they last longer than Kris Kross? As for Soundgarden, does anyone out their think that Blind Dogs is about skinheads? I think so but maybe I am wrong. vanguard All of Seventeen eyes a cold cold green treated like a queen She was only seventeen C.C. ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Plenty more to go. Excuse my lack of Subject: line, but this is the only way I can post at the moment... Re: The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 9 Oct 1995 ------------------------------ From: Malkav Subject: Re: Chris - Homophobic? >i think that green river was members of mudhoney and motheerlovebone. >jeff ament and stone gossard were in it and i don't remember who from >mudhoney right now. of course it is like 3 in the morning for me. Mark Arm from Mudhoney. Noone from SG, AFAIK. They relased two full lenght albums, Rehab Doll and Dry As A Bone. I gave them a listen or two, but nothing more. Didn't do much for me. But, I believe the person who posed the question actually meant to ask about Temple Of The Dog (who was made up of SG and MLB members with a few people who later ended up in Pearl Jam with those MLB dudes :)). ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re:  F >Um, Daniel, you said that Offspring were ripoff artists...Um, if it >wasn't for Offspring, "real" punk music would have never hit mainstream >America. -j A real fine point! ------------------------------ From: Benjamin Jon Macqueen Subject: ripoffs >Howdy, there seems to be a bit of conversation about supposed rip off >bands, but it seems that some of us are getting a bit trivial. If we are >going to nit-pick, then Led Zeppelin ripped off Jeff Beck, and everyone >ripped off early Chicago blues. Just my two cents worth. I said it earlier, I'll say it again: 'If original blues artists had copyright control, today there would be no rock'n'roll.' I picked that up somewhere, and sums it up quite nicely, I think. AGAIN NO WONDERFUL .SIG... INSTEAD HERE'S A SIGH: SIGH... ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Re: The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 10 Oct 1995 ------------------------------ From: dgarrett@bcs.org.uk (Daniel Garrett) Subject: Re:  F >Offspring songs, to me that is unforgiveable. Besides I think the >equally awful Green Day and Bad Religion are just as responsible for >bringing Punk into the mainstream in the US Actually, Bad Religion were there, doing their thing years before Offspring, Green Day and the likes became popular. But, back then noone had heard of them except for people who listened to punk music (yes, there _was_ punk music before '93!). Today, everyone knows them. Hell, even Fugazi is becoming a wide-known name... ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: Ben and Kurt >b/c it is of no relevance. if someone has a substance abuse problem, i'm >sure it isn't something they are proud of. we aren't here to say >that he is a lousy drug user, but rather to say what a great musician he is. Oh yeah? And what are we also here to say? Please, tell me! Why did I come here? Do you have a handy list of things I am here to say? For example: The canonical list of things to say on satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas: 1. Chris Cornell is the greatest voice in rock today. 2. SG is the best band ever. 3. Ben is a great musician. 4. Matt is an incredible drummer. 5. Sg rules. 6. Anyone who says SG suck should be killed, slowly and painfully. 7. SG rules. 8. Kim plays the darkest, heaviest riffs in the world. 9. SG rules. 10. Yeah, SG rules! The point I'm trying to make is you have no idea why am I here. Or why is anyone else but you here. I am certainly not here to blindly praise and worship SG and its members. I am here to have a meaningful and intelligent conversation with other people who like SG, and not even necesarily about SG. I don't want to listen to how great they are. I already know that they are great. I _would_ like to know wether Ben has a drug problem or not, because it could have serious impact on SG, their music, and indirectly, on me. - ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: Sara Hoeck's letter >this is what i hate... I don't care about la-de-da. You people have to much >free time. Then go away. You sure as hell will be seeing more of it if you stay here. ------------------------------ From: Chris Dawg Subject: Once again it's on! >sure if my first message is getting posted or not. Another question: Has >anyone heard of or have any info on a group called "Brad" that suppposedly has >some Seattle residents/ SG members in it? Actually listened to it all day. It has members from Settle band Satchel (those are the ones Kim and Matt did Hater with) plus Stone Gossard from PJ. They have an album out called Shame (came out in '93 if I'm not mistaken), and I highly recommend it if don't mind your music on the funkier/groovier side. Great bass lines, great drums, funky guitars, unintelligable vocals (anyone have the lyrics, I'd kill for them?!?!?). ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com (Samson) Subject: Message about messages about messages >I'm afraid I must take a shot, but not for the reason you think. Who the >fuck are you, anyway? You deleted out the quote markers and made it look >like this post came from me. What's more, it looks like I lost my mind, Did it look that way? I'm sorry. It wasn't my intention, I must have made a mistake. Now, can you tell me, why the foul language? Why do you feel the need to insult me? I made a mistake. So, you just get yer axe out and carve me up? Real cool and mature way of responding. Couldn't you react in a more calm and rational way? Why do you think I did that out of malice? I have nothing better to do with my time but to devise pranks aimed at you... And don't think I couldn't have simply flamed you back. I'd have you in ashes in no time, believe me, no sweat. But, I don't think that would do any good... If you disagree... Ah well... Fire at will. >And how did you respond to a post which the mailer told me did not get >sent? I don't see the full post in my digest. What the hell is going on? I wrote that message about a week ago and now I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you be more specific? ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: just a thought... >course, how he is going to break his rusty cage. but the last song from >superunknown (like suicide) has him safe inside his gilded cage. is this Wasn't it 'safe _outside_ my gilded cage'? ------------------------------ All that evilness cuopled with satan talk made me think... SG have quite a few references to satan and satanic imagery in their work. Can you name them all? I bet there are at least 5-6. Also, is there any SG song we could describe as a _love_ song? Any positive songs at all? SIGH... I MEAN .SIG... ------------------------------ From: Frizzle Fry Subject: Re: MY FUN Joe, you are the MAN! You get two snaps up and a circle for that one, brotha! On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Joseph A. Burnett wrote: > ok, a few things------first, nobody here better offend mr. limo wreck, for > he only wants to discuss the deep, meaningful topics that deal with > soundgarden.....NO FUN......JUST BUSINESS HERE ON SOMMS......right mr. > wreck? What does the "hole" in black hole sun mean? what is chris trying > to say when he says......fuckfuckfuck...?....for christ's sake, mr. wreck, > chill the fuck out, this isn't some lyrical analysis class at Harvard, it's > just FUN!!!!!!!! > > second, urbano, from mexico, you're a stallion.......you've got a lot of > patience to put up with three hundred pages of BULLSHIT from all of us.... > but punk goes a bit beyond voivod.......try Operation Ivy, the Minutemen, > Black Flag, NOFX, pennywise, the bollweivels, 311, or maybe even some old > rancid..... > > third, anyone who says offspring are a nirvana rip-off, please do me a favor > and get your head out of your ass and read the offspring's lyrics-------they > actually have something to say in thier songs.........the whole band is > college educated, and guess what! they were never in the biz for the > underground scene.....they want cash, just like the rest of us........ > > well, i'm sick of reading mr. limo wreck's senior thesis on the genetic > relationship between jesus christ and chris cornell, or the theory of how > big dumb sex is about a dirty pussy or whatever........let's talk about > something fun......let's talk drugs......somebody give me some facts on > Ectasy.......does acid really rot your brain, or make you more stupid? > come on, i wanna see some action out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you're all a > bunch of slaves (and bulldozers)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how many of you people > are alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > COME ON, LET'S SEE SOME ACTION OUT THERE!!!!!!! > big joe > > ------------------------------ From: "Matthew R. Cruikshank" Subject: Don't reply Hey, I'm introducing myself, and I don't need anyone to welcome me. It's Soundgraden - I'm already welcome! So, please don't reply and say 'Hey, Welcome to the group.' Bandwidth is money. Albums : I still need to buy Ultramega OK and Screaming Life/ Fopp - other than that I believe I have all of their major releases. I also have a bunch of bootleg or imports. Of these, without a doubt, Stolen Prayers is the best. Fluttergirl and Nowhere But You are songs worth owning! My favorite SG song of all times is a tie between Rooms A Thousand Years Wide, Black Cat (a.k.a. Bellshit), and Reach Down. Recently, Cold Bitch did nothing but impress me. Alrighty, I happen to spend some time on Iowa State Computer Association's BBS - isca : for the curious, telnet to bbs.isca.uiowa.edu. My user name on there is - ChrisCornell. :-) So, I get a lot of people saying stuff to me like "Soundgarden rocks!" and whatever. I have met some interresting people, however. One girl I ran into knew Xana Fuentes - Andrew Wood's girlfriend. Another person had met Chris backstage at Lollapalooza. Apparently, whenever Chris is at a concert where he's not going to perform, he wanders around the audience, looking for people with SG T-shirts. He runs up and tackles them from behind. Of course, they get pissed, but when he helps them get up, they about spooge their jeans - 'cause they see who it is. (So, I always wear SG T's to concerts, now. Just a word of advice!) Continuing the FYI: Okay, so the members of SG worked with Pearl Jam to create Temple of the Dog in memory of Andrew Wood. I personally think this is some of Chris's best work. Also, SG got together with Alice In Chains for the album SAP. The track Right Turn was recorded by Alice Mudgarden - the members of Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, and Mudhoney. Layne and Chris singing - cool! Plus, Accoustic. You don't get much of that from SG. Have you all seen the picture of "A Sound Garden"? It's in Seattle, it was created by Douglas Hollis, commisioned by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in 1983. Basically, it is a walkway (of triangular tials) surrounded by Wid-organ towers that are 23' high. I remember reading that, yes indeed, this is where the name Soundgarden came from. Kim said something to the effect of "We don't really like the place - we just liked the name." Has anyone been there? (Actually - it looks kind of like the picture for the song Superunknown in the Superunkown CD insert...) Being an avid SG fan, I immediately purchased Hater, first chance I had. MAN. If you all think that the experimental (i.e. Kickstand or Half) stuff off Super is weird, here's an album to check out. Essentially - take SG, pretend Chris never existed - oh, and trap them sometime in the 80's, and you have Hater. Oooh! Mona Bone Jackon is a really cool song, and I enjoy the album - but SG fans should not blindly buy it. Apparently Chris sat down and wrote an entire album by himself. He did it for background, and just for fun - for the movie Singles. I think it was Stone from PJ who sat down with Chris and made up all the hilarious Singles' fake band Citizen Dick's song names - Louder Than Larry (Steiner), etc. But, the important point is that CHRIS MADE A HOLE *ALBUM*. Does anyone have the scoop on this? Is there some bootleg floating around that I haven't been fortunate enough to find? Or - crime of crimes - is this album just sitting on someone's desk?!? Was the first movie to play SG music Say Anything? There's two songs on it - - Toy Box, and something else. Does anyone know of an earlier performance in a movie? Speaking of movies, I couldn't believe how cool the Cornell Accoustic versions of songs that was played in the movie S.F.W. were! Does anyone have the soundtrack, and if so - are the accoustic SG songs from the movie played on the soundtrack? (If so - I know my next CD purchase). Anyone who was bored or irritated by the length of my article - sorry. I'm just an enthusiastic SG FAN! What can I say? - -Cruikshank ------------------------------ From: Mind Riot Subject: Titles? Has SG's management released any possible names for the new album or the tracks it contains? MR "I'll be going down for the rest of the slide while the rest of you harvest the gold." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Well, if seems that finally I'm settled (well, not quite, but enough to get to mt e-mail) so here it is... Yes, to your dismay, now I have a backlog of about 7 digests to plow through and post my reponses... Oh joy... BTW, I seem to have missed a digest or two... :-? Re: The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 7 Oct 1995 ------------------------------ From: someone whose address I missed... Subject: Something different AND better >OK. Here's something a little more feasible than the cereal idea. What >about a Soundgarden Saturday morning cartoon? Hell, the New Kids on the >Block did it, right? I would definitely get up early to watch it. Well, there's no such thing AFAIK yet, but here in Europe, on MCM (Monte Carlo Music, way better music channel than MTV - they play SG regularly) Jesus Chris Pose is used as a title music to Manga Zone, a short show with reviews of new Manga/Anime cartoons... BTW, they also use parts of Rusty Cage in a title sequence of their daily hard rock/metal show. ------------------------------ From: someone whose address I also missed... Subject: Chris Too Old? Pah!! > good laugh over that one! CC is 31 and TOO OLD to get around on the > stage...we loved it...best post from the entire week! (Just out of curiosity > John...how old are you?) 31 and too old to move around on stage? Neil Young is 50 and he still rocks hard, moves around, rips the strings from his guitar and all that stuff... ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: Something better. > OK im going to say this once and once only. Never, ever, compare > soundgarden to the New kids on the Block. Soundgarden is one of the, if not > the, coolest bands of all time;whereas the new kids were a bunch of > dancing fairies. And that is why they had a cartoon, and that is why > soundgarden shouldn't. C'mon... SG are not holy cows and they can be joked with. You pray at the SG altar each night before you go to bed? Nothing will happen to you if you say that Ben resembles Lyle Lovett, that SG would make great cartoon characters or even that they played a bad show! Try it! You won't be crushed by a limo wreck, killed by a postman or smashed by a wall of distorted feeedback sound. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I subscribed to alt.religion.soundgarden... ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: Something better. >> OK im going to say this once and once only. Never, ever, compare >> soundgarden to the New kids on the Block. Soundgarden is one of the, if not >I couldn't agree more. Enough said. (this BdMtrFngr guy must be pretty >cool. i wish i knew him) Yeah... huh huhh huhh... I bet he gets all the chicks... Or something. ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: your mail > Ass Hole. Huhh huhh huh... He said "ass hole"... Huh huhhh huh... He's cool. I think he even scored! ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: ARE they looking on? >I think that we're talking about a technology gap here. Primus would look >onto their list...they're computer guys. SG, I dunno. Do you think that Kim, >Chris, Matt, or Ben are computer junkies? Maybe Chris. Matt, possibly. Kim and Ben? Naah... ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: Fwd: Foolish >Why the hell do you send crap like this to everyone? Isn't this list >about soundgarden. Why the hell do you send crap like this to everyone? Isn't this list about something other than bashing someone in public? ------------------------------ MY SMART .SIG GOT LEFT AT MY COMPUTER BACK HOME, NOW I'M .SIGLESS... :-( ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I'm still just a rat in a cage On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > > BTW: I know this is not a SG question - but has anyone else heard the new > Smashing Pumpkin song (something about life is a vampire) - doesn't he sound > like Mick Jagger?????? bullet with butterfly wings, the new single from the smashing pumpkins, is a very cool song. lots of big, distorted guitars and screaming vocals. definitely not for the today and disarm fans. as for mick jagger, I don't think mick ever screamed like billy does on bwbw. everyone look out for their new album. and instead of making this two posts, I read yesterday that kim thayil plays on the new presidents of the united states of america record. he plays some stuff on the song naked and famous. has anyone heard it? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: come together with your hands On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, LaMONT SANFORD wrote: > I also have never had any love for Spoonman. Most of the Soundgarden > fans I have met have hated that song as well. Most of the non-fans love > it. I think it's because spoonman is unexpected: it's different from > alot of the other stuff, harder to catagorize. I don't know why they > used that as their first release, but it made them popular, which I am > happy for. How do the rest of you feel about Spoonman? I kinda like the song. it may not be the best song on the album, or even the eigth best song on the album, but it is a good one nonetheless. it holds a sort of special meaning for me, because I hadn't heard any new soundgarden stuff for a long time, and I happened to come accross the single in a record store two weeks before superunknown came out. it was hard to get into at first, because the rhythm is so unusual, but after three listens, I was slavering in anticipation of the new album. as for being unexpected, I think spoonman is not the most difficult song on superunknown to categorize. it falls somewhere in the middle, between fell on black days and half :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Alex Lyberopoulos Subject: AiC manager Looking through the credits of my Jar of Flies CD i noticed Susan Silver was thanked. I discovered she is their manager. Wow she must be fairly busy. ------------------------------ From: Alex Lyberopoulos Subject: Re: mouthful of cotton 'Come on, lock it up' On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, blind dog wrote: > > > does anyone know exactly what chris sings in the bridge just > before the final chorus on spoonman? is it 'come on, like it all'? or > am I a complete scuma who can't understand totally clear lyrics? it's > just that that particular bit is the hardest to understand from > superunknown for me. > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Don't reply From: Jamesetta Simpson >Hey, I'm introducing myself, and I don't need anyone to welcome me. It's >Soundgraden - I'm already welcome! So, please don't reply and say 'Hey, >Welcome to the group.' Bandwidth is money. My bandwidth is free - so I will reply....... >Apparently, whenever Chris is at a concert where he's not going to perform, >he wanders around the audience, looking for people with SG T-shirts. He >runs up and tackles them from behind. Of course, they get pissed, but when >he helps them get up, they about spooge their jeans - 'cause they see who it >is. (So, I always wear SG T's to concerts, now. Just a word of advice!) Well I certainly will wear my kickstand Tee - if it mean Chris tackling me, or Ben tackling me, or Matt --- You get the picture.... >Okay, so the members of SG worked with Pearl Jam to create Temple of the Dog >in memory of Andrew Wood. I personally think this is some of Chris's best >work. Also, SG got together with Alice In Chains for the album SAP. The So, you got good taste - but you are a member of this list, so that stand to reason!!!! >Being an avid SG fan, I immediately purchased Hater, first chance I had. >MAN. If you all think that the experimental (i.e. Kickstand or Half) stuff >off Super is weird, here's an album to check out. Essentially - take SG, >pretend Chris never existed - oh, and trap them sometime in the 80's, and >you have Hater. Oooh! Mona Bone Jackon is a really cool song, and I enjoy >the album - but SG fans should not blindly buy it. Hater never leaves my CD player (and no I still can't get the words to Who do I kill to come out of my CD player). And I don't think it's the 80's they sound like, it goes back to mid to late 70's. The 80's had too much glamour rock. There was a time in the 70's that there was so much good solid rock that the roll was your eye balls going round and round. I like Sad McBain and Who do I kill and Tot Finder and hell I like the whole thing. >Speaking of movies, I couldn't believe how cool the Cornell Accoustic >versions of songs that was played in the movie S.F.W. were! Does anyone >have the soundtrack, and if so - are the accoustic SG songs from the movie >played on the soundtrack? (If so - I know my next CD purchase). Yes, I have the CD and yes the acoustic are on it. And Cornell songs are the only one on the CD that I really like. >Anyone who was bored or irritated by the length of my article - sorry. I'm >just an enthusiastic SG FAN! What can I say? From one rambler to another rambler - - ramble on... SG info is always good Jamie ------------------------------ From: "VASANT RAMAMURTHY" Subject: random topics I'd like to comment on a couple topics. First, my least favorite Soundgarden song is Incessant Mace. It just drags on and on. Second, 665-667 is just a big joke. I'm sure we all know Soundgarden's famous sense of humor. Songs like Big Dumb Sex, Fopp (I know it's a cover, but still), Little Joe and Half (both have really fucked up vocals) hardly can be taken seriously. They are still fucking awesome songs, though. I think these non-serious songs help to complement the band's more serious songs, like on Superunknown. I think 665-667 is just a snap at "evil" bands like Alice Cooper, Ozzy Osbourne, Iron Maiden, and other death metal stuff that write inane, satanic songs. Just my simple opinion. Vasant - -- Vasant Ramamurthy vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu Vasant.Ramamurthy@launchpad.unc.edu Check out http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html !! "My boredom has outshone the sun"-Plume-Smashing Pumpkins ------------------------------ From: Alex Lyberopoulos Subject: Re: Seth's concerns On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, John Grieves wrote: > At 06:39 PM 10/10/95 -0400, nancy e phend wrote: > >I am not new to the mailing list but usually silent. Here is a new > >Soundgarden question for everyone on the list. Name the ONE reason why > >Soundgarden is your favorite band or one of your favorite bands. I will > >start off with my reason: Chris Cornell's voice/vocal range. Looking > >forward to seeing some interesting posts on this subject. > > > >nephend (one of the "greyhairs") > > That's hard - I'd have to say musical complexity - there is no KISS (keep it > simple, stupid) principles involved in this music! This includes the time > signatures, harmonies etc. etc. > > Jackhammer. > > That's fair enough, you must remember though that Kim is a huge Kiss fan. ------------------------------ From: Alex Lyberopoulos Subject: Re: Seth's concerns I can't name only one reason that's impossible. Reasons i like Soundgarden(In no order): 1. Chris Cornell's singing 2. Overall playing brilliance 3. Sabbath sounding guitar. 4. Brilliant songwriting that's getting better all the time. 5. Incredible lyrics. 6. Cool attitude of band in regards to music industry, etc. 7. In order: Superunknown, Badmotorfinger, Louder then Love, UltramegaOK. 8. Have i mentioned Chris Cornell's voice? On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, nancy e phend wrote: > I am not new to the mailing list but usually silent. Here is a new > Soundgarden question for everyone on the list. Name the ONE reason why > Soundgarden is your favorite band or one of your favorite bands. I will > start off with my reason: Chris Cornell's voice/vocal range. Looking > forward to seeing some interesting posts on this subject. > > nephend (one of the "greyhairs") > > ------------------------------ From: Benjamin Jon Macqueen Subject: Ripoffs-again! Howdy, this is my second posting on this issue and I was shot down on my first attempt, but I'll put my two cents worth in again. My veiw on so called rip off bands is that it is not such a bad thing if the band doing the ripping is trying to emulate the sound of the other band, using it and other influences to try and creatre their own sound. It really starts to get, well, sleazy for choice of a better word when the band doing the ripping uses this other sound to make profit. This I find as one of the most contemptable acts that one could commit in the industry. Taking someone else's art and use it as a means to make money. That disgusts me. I see silverchair as initially using their influences as a means to an end, to discover their own sound. We can just only hope they wont be corrupted. Cheers - -Ben..... - -s9511466@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 67] ***************************************