From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 10 Oct 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:16:30 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 10 Oct 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Re: if ben was a spaceboy Re: Musical Integrity Re: BdMtrFngr: Give the guy a break!!!! }:( why did they record it? -dead silence- Re: Ben and Kurt Re: 665 --> 667 in REVERSE!!! Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 5 Oct 1995 Re: How decked out in Soundgarden is YOUR comp? Re: Fwd: Foolish Re: Fwd: Foolish Re: 665 --> 667 in REVERSE!!! Worst SG Track Re: Fwd: Foolish Re: F My mailbox is cleared for more hate mail, so, in your own time. Re: My mailbox is cleared for more hate mail, so, in your own time. Re: Musical Integrity The Soundgarden song I LEAST like??? a silent peson Re: My mailbox is cleared for more hate mail, so, in your own time. Re: why did they record it? Worst SG Track Re: why did they record it? Re: Worst SG Track Leave Ben Alone slaves and bulldozers Re: Ben and Kurt Re: a silent peson Warped vocals. favorite non album tracks Re: Sara Hoeck's letter First-time mailer Once again it's on! Lyrical Results Letterbomb Re: Sara Hoeck's letter Re: Letterbomb Re: Ben and Kurt Re: ripoffs Re: a silent peson Re: Warped vocals. Message about messages about messages Re: I applaud this one / BdMtrFngr Re: Holy OJ's dream Re: Glenn unsubscribing / BdMtrFngr :( I love santa Original? just a thought... RE: Erudite #9, 78,1 Re: green river schtuff Mudhoney RE:Original Re: EJ Fry concerns Hands All Over Ty Cobb Re: slaves and bulldozers ------------------------------------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: if ben was a spaceboy On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > Why is saying Ben is on Heroin marring him? -j you don't think a heroin addiction is a negative? what if it impacted on his music? I think that most people with a heroin addiction would just as soon not have one. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: Re: Musical Integrity Wow Steven you really are down on STP. I agree there is a certain degree of similarity between their music and some other notable 'grunge' acts, but it's hard to find bands that don't in some way sound copied (Soundgarden is of course an exception). I thought 'Core' has a lot of merit, I can't find any songs on there that you would call straight rip offs of another band, more just following the general grungy style, but it sounds really good and they play their instruments pretty well. Purple was a bit of a let down, but it's not that bad, I'll certainly keep it in my collection. As for your comments regarding Silverchair, you are wrong. They weren't discovered because they looked like Nirvana, and at that stage they certainly weren't a record company project. The contest they won took place on a TV station over here that has about 2% of the viewing audience and about the only thing it does have is integrity. I should note here that I can't stand Silverchair in the slightest and even if they were legitamitly discovered, they certainly are the biggest rip-off band in the world. The sad thing is that over here there are bands that are starting to copy Silverchair's style, scary eh. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: Re: BdMtrFngr: Give the guy a break!!!! }:( <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:49:44 -0600 To: gstanway@you.wincom.net From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Subject: Re: BdMtrFngr: Give the guy a break!!!! }:( >Hey, man... it was the guy's first fucking post and you're flaming him >already?!?!?!?!? What the fuck is this all about? How the hell can you >START a >meaningful conversation if your response to someone saying hi is to tell >them to >fuck off?!?!?!? Jesus Christ... this list is more hostile than I thought... > >> Ass hole. > >Was this a comment, or your signature? It would be somehow fitting... > > >You know, this list is more than a way for people to discuss >Soundgarden... it's >also a way to meet people with common interests. There are quite a few of us >here who've become like family, and it isn't completely due to Soundgarden. >Now Neil is new to this list, and one of his first greetings here told him >never >to post again, unless he had info on SG that BdMtrFngr didn't know. How >the hell >do you think he feels about that?!? Has it gotten to the point where we don't >give a shit about how people feel anymore? Do you think Seth wants new folks >with something to contribute to get chased off the list by careless, >heavy-duty >flaming? I doubt it. >Neil, stick around. Some of us care, believe it or not. > > >Glenn > >I'm also sorry to say that I'm starting to understand why people are >unsubscribing. Unfortunately, I'm considering it, myself. Thanks, Glenn. I agree totally. Your nervous enough the first time you post ( I should know) without getting flamed right away for it. Besides, it did have something to do with Soundgarden. And it was interesting. So, just let people say what they want. Geez, how was he supposed to introduce himself? Neil, Glenn's right. Stay on the list! Have fun with it. And ignore people like the person who just flamed you!-Sara P.S. Glenn, canyou do me a favor. I amsending this to you, but I would really like it posted to everyone. For some reason though, mymail that I send keeps bouncing back, so can you post it for me? Thanks a lot. -Sara <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: why did they record it? quite simply, I'd like to know what soundgarden song is least liked by everyone on the list. we talk about the stuff we like, but what about the soundgarden music we *don't* like? personally, mine is little joe. I know there is a guy somewhere on this list who took that as his name, but I'm afraid that that song is my least favourite. I don't really like how chris sings it, and there really isn't much to it. so how about the rest of you? (sorry gil:) also, if there are 300 people on this list, then you wouldn't know it by the number of postings. sure, we generate a lot of mail here, but I'm wondering what all those silent people out there have to say. come on guys, time to stop mooching :) say something about the band we all love. otherwise things will become very stagnant, and sooner or later it will really turn out to be a turd of a list. nothing to say means nothing to do, in the world of mailing lists, and if the 'oldies' of the list start saying the same stuff, then what will become of us? let's find something to discuss for about three months, and then we can talk about the new album, eh? btw, did anyone get a copy of the ireland sunstroke festival on tape? specifically the soundgarden portion? please mail me if you have it. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: -dead silence- Well... here's my final draft of the transcription of 'Flower' collected from other folks here at SOMMS: Get the picture? I didn't get ANY responses dealing with help on the lyrics so I'll take my ball and go home (twisted John Kruk reference.) Hm.. I'm looking for help on lyrics to 'Whale & Wasp' - Alice in Chains - Jar of Flies... I bet I'll actually get a comment or two on that. Sorry, I'm feeling a little sarcastic.. it's 3AM & I can't sleep (c: UnknownMan with Red Slicker (even though the hurricane has come & gone & it didn't kill me.. damn, I even prayed to the weather gods... maybe the next time around... might do it.. might make it.. the day I tried to drown me by a wave in the superunknown... hm.. like suicide maybe) ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: Ben and Kurt >Were you here earlier for the "Big veins" discussion. My theory was that he >was on heroien. It's just an assumption, read the disclaimer below. This really bothered me back when we discussed Sheppard's veins. I've never done heroine (or any other of that nonsense for that matter) and I have veins alot like Sheppard's. No, I'm not any bigger than him.. I'm his height (well. I guess he's about 6'2" or 6'3") and I'm lighter than him (I guess he's over 165lbs definately.) I guess my large veins come from doing various lifting and what not... I'd probably develop the same thing if I played a bass (a big, somtimes bulky instrument) and slung it like I had Epilepsy (sorry, best description I could muster). I'm not saying that Ben does/doesn't have a drug problem.. I'm just saying that after looking at a guy's arms you can't really accuse him of injecting crap into his arm's.. unless the tale-tell 'tracks' are visible. I personally have never noticed these marks on Sheppard's arms... and I'd say this is bulging vein argument is unjustifable... (c: Everyone have a great day... Oh, I never really liked Green River much, but I believe that Bruce Fairweather (MLB.. no not Major League Baseball) played precussion for them.. but don't quote me on that. On a different note: on the song 'Touch Me'... the female vocals are Stephanie Barber, right? Where have I heard this name before? Anyone, anyone (opps.. I can't steal someone elses line) (c; non-elitist from an AOL account that doesn't ever have anything important to say... uh.. I mean: UnknownMan... ------------------------------ From: LAsiu@mojo.europe.dg.com (Liesl A Asiu) Subject: Re: 665 --> 667 in REVERSE!!! >>Anyone else have any thoughts to share on the matter? >> >>Avatar. > >Definitely Chris's way of poking fun. He has a quick wit and can and does....... >.........They eat, sleep, get up set at social problems like we do, but I don't think >they are closet Satan worshipers or over the edge on the black arts in any way. > >Jamie > I would also like to think that Chris and the rest of the band are a bit beyond that sort of thing. I always thought that SG were serious and really into their music, it would be a terrible let down if I found that they had to resort to cheap antics like that to gain a couple extra fans. I am certainly not impressed by that stuff. Liesl ------------------------------ From: charris@i-max.co.nz (Clint Harris) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 5 Oct 1995 >From: EJ Fry >Subject: SOUNDGARDEN > >SHADDUP! Silverchair this, Nirvana that, Pearl Jam those. SOUNDGARDEN is >the topic I signed up to discuss, I think a lot of people unsubscribe >because that's not happening! There's my 2 cents. If you want to=20 >respond, don't even think about it unless the word SOUNDGARDEN is=20 >included in your message. > >"You know what I think alternative music is? A bunch of jocks with punk=20 >rock hair cuts." -James Maynard Keenan TOOL > Absolutely! I just about unsubscribed to the TooL mailing list awhile back (BTW, it's Maynard James Keenan :) because they started going on about Silverchair and just would'nt quit (i have no opinion of the band whatsoever ) I thought this list would be different but at the moment...aarrgghhh!!!! GIVE IT UP! I hope none of you guys/gals are as stubborn as me or else we *won't* hear the end of this... Ob_Soundgarden_: I just bought Ultramega O.K on C.D (have had it on tape for *ages*) and hooboy "beyond the wheel" is fucking *amazing* real loud, my ears are bleeding and I'm happy...the local record store is having a sale and i picked it up for $10 bucks off :D >From: blind dog >Subject: Re: Superunknown w/out She Likes Surprises > >On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Chris Mackenzie wrote: > >> I think basically any country that isn't in North America has it on >> theirs. I could be wrong though. I am jealous of Australia. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wouldn't be :) S'yoo CH... ------------------------------ From: LAsiu@mojo.europe.dg.com (Liesl A Asiu) Subject: Re: How decked out in Soundgarden is YOUR comp? >Just cuz I figured this may be intresting, what does your computer have on it >that's SG related? I have the entire desktop as Chris and Kim with their >guitars (sgguys1.jpg on the web page). A few wav's here and there, and I'm >now looking for an icon and an animated cursor. > >Moon Druid > Well, I have a zip file that contains bmps from SG, Metallica, Bevis & Butthead and stuff like that, even have some pics of Eddie (of Iron Maiden fame) - everyday another file is unzipped, after all variety is the spice ... blah blah blah. Don't have many wavs though.... Would like to get a few video clips. Liesl ------------------------------ From: LAsiu@mojo.europe.dg.com (Liesl A Asiu) Subject: Re: Fwd: Foolish I don't mean to sound mean but he is the one who sounds like a big fat white-trash turd to me! He also sounds like he is suffering from some sort of emotional trama, probably caused by a deficiency in the dick area! Liesl >Heh heh...just thought I'd forward this to y'all. Anyone have something to >say about this? > >Moon Druid >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: TRLOFTUS@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu >To: MoonDruid@aol.com >Date: 95-10-06 18:05:46 EDT > >I am not the dumbass who is wasting his money on america online. You >are stupid. I am doing this for free through college so I am not >paying a dime. You are fucking dipshit. You wish you had near the >intelligence that I had because if you did like me you wouldn't be >wasting your time on a useless mailing list where you here from the biggest >shitheads in the universe. These people need to get out and you are >one of them. You are probably some fat piece of white trash that has >an negative IQ score. If it wasn't for the fact that I have a >computer lab on this floor I probably would never use the internet >You must be one of those desperate people who need someone to talk >to so bad that you need the mail from hundreds of other losers like >yourself. I hope you grow up, get a life, and seek help but right >now you are a loser. > > > ------------------------------ From: LAsiu@mojo.europe.dg.com (Liesl A Asiu) Subject: Re: Fwd: Foolish Is it just me or does anyone else think that BdMtrFngr, is being just a tad too critical with his fellow members here! I thought that MoonDruid's little message was very amusing. It may not have had anything to do with SG directly but that wanker did slag our mailing list off! Anyway, I thought the purpose of this mailing list was to bring us (SG lovers) together.... if that means that one of us are not even allowed to share something not directly dealing with SG then what is the sense? Lighten up will you.... Liesl >Why the hell do you send crap like this to everyone? Isn't this list >about soundgarden. > >On Fri, 6 Oct 1995 MoonDruid@aol.com wrote: > >> Heh heh...just thought I'd forward this to y'all. Anyone have something to >> say about this? >> >> Moon Druid >> --------------------- >> Forwarded message: >> From: TRLOFTUS@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu >> To: MoonDruid@aol.com >> Date: 95-10-06 18:05:46 EDT >> >> I am not the dumbass who is wasting his money on america online. You >> are stupid. I am doing this for free through college so I am not >> paying a dime. You are fucking dipshit. You wish you had near the >> intelligence that I had because if you did like me you wouldn't be >> wasting your time on a useless mailing list where you here from the biggest >> shitheads in the universe. These people need to get out and you are >> one of them. You are probably some fat piece of white trash that has >> an negative IQ score. If it wasn't for the fact that I have a >> computer lab on this floor I probably would never use the internet >> You must be one of those desperate people who need someone to talk >> to so bad that you need the mail from hundreds of other losers like >> yourself. I hope you grow up, get a life, and seek help but right >> now you are a loser. >> >> > > ------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: 665 --> 667 in REVERSE!!! At 09:30 AM 10/9/95 +0100, Liesl A Asiu wrote: >>Definitely Chris's way of poking fun. He has a quick wit and can and >does....... >>.........They eat, sleep, get up set at social problems like we do, but I >don't think >>they are closet Satan worshipers or over the edge on the black arts in any way. >> >>Jamie >> > >I would also like to think that Chris and the rest of the band are a bit >beyond that sort of thing. I always thought that SG were serious and really >into their music, it would be a terrible let down if I found that they had >to resort to cheap antics like that to gain a couple extra fans. >I am certainly not impressed by that stuff. >Liesl Bands are never beyond anything - if Soundgarden got too serious, I'm sure one of them would eventually say "Let's snap out of it!" Chances are that the songs were not done to attract new fans, but were just a bit of fun - for all their great music, I think they're entitled to a bit of fun! If they were Satan worshippers, Soundgarden have produced some great music and have done a great job of hiding it! Jackhammer (burning a sacrificial amplifier lead as an offering to the occult :>) ------------------------------ From: dgarrett@bcs.org.uk (Daniel Garrett) Subject: Worst SG Track On the subject of people's worst SG song, my opinion is that Exit Stonehenge is a load of toss and Full on Kev's Mom comes a close second. Don't get me wrong SG are my fave band in the known universe its just that I am able to differentiate between bad and good, i'm not one of these diehard worshipping fans that won't hear a bad word said against their band. Also what about ( and this is a bit flippant!) peoples least fave band member?? Ben gets my vote since I read an interview where he said he hates touring, despises the fans and said he liked to spit on them and kick them at gigs- nice guy!! Also I think the songs he's written (except Somewhere) are not that hot. Just my opinion. Looking for a pedestal that I can put you on.... Daniel Garrett ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Fwd: Foolish From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Thanks MD for forwarding this to the group. I have also received notes of this type from so called closet Flamer. It is real easy to sit out there behind a computer screen and flame out at people for no apparent reason, other than to justify your miserable existence. It is waste of my time, the groups time, and computer time for someone of this caliber to posting trash as this. I believe his e-mail address describes this person to a "T" (tiny.computing). Thanks for the laugh Moon. Jamie >Heh heh...just thought I'd forward this to y'all. Anyone have something to >say about this? > >Moon Druid >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: TRLOFTUS@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu >To: MoonDruid@aol.com >Date: 95-10-06 18:05:46 EDT > >I am not the dumbass who is wasting his money on america online. You >are stupid. I am doing this for free through college so I am not >paying a dime. You are fucking dipshit. You wish you had near the >intelligence that I had because if you did like me you wouldn't be >wasting your time on a useless mailing list where you here from the biggest >shitheads in the universe. These people need to get out and you are >one of them. You are probably some fat piece of white trash that has >an negative IQ score. If it wasn't for the fact that I have a >computer lab on this floor I probably would never use the internet >You must be one of those desperate people who need someone to talk >to so bad that you need the mail from hundreds of other losers like >yourself. I hope you grow up, get a life, and seek help but right >now you are a loser. > > ------------------------------ From: dgarrett@bcs.org.uk (Daniel Garrett) Subject: Re:  F > > Um, Daniel, you said that Offspring were ripoff artists...Um, if it > wasn't for Offspring, "real" punk music would have never hit mainstream > America. -j j, I can appreciate that you are a fan of Offspring, fair enough, each to his own, whatever you're into. My point is that Offspring, to me are an unashamed Nirvana rip-off band, with a dreadful whiny singer, in fact its possible to sing specific Nirvana melodies over certain Offspring songs, to me that is unforgiveable. Besides I think the equally awful Green Day and Bad Religion are just as responsible for bringing Punk into the mainstream in the US - - Daniel Garrett ------------------------------ From: scsmeyri@ucsalf.ac.uk (stacy.meyrick) Subject: My mailbox is cleared for more hate mail, so, in your own time. Well, again I'm reeling from a heavy bout of hate mail, but for once I think that just maybe I was right. I'm not going to say any more on the Stone Temple Pilot's issue, what's had to be said already has, and I guess it just goes to show how many people on this list have nothing better to do than compare music rather than listen to it. The reason for the mail was not because of Steven's opinion on STP, that I considered a fair and justified commment, I mean, yes, I don't agree, but I do accept what he had to say. The comment that drove me to send the mail was the one on grunge, the "all you need to play it is instruments and the look". This kind of comment has no foundation or justifies how many bands earn their status as musicians, and just shows how naive Steven really is. Now, having read the comments from ClownWithBazoka it's somewhat obvious that you didn't really read my mail, more my name at the top and decided to hassle me, because if I'd of said something like that, you'd have been the first on my case. I don't "get off" on sending this kind of mail, it just gets to me when someone comes out with a statement like that. The same to MoonDruid, not every word I send is a flame, I usually recieve one first. I don't expect anyone to bow down to my opinion, I never have, many people think this because I voice it, and many times I have apologised where proven wrong, unfortunately it seems I'm the only one willing to do this. I also think that my words have been somewhat mistrued, one of my early comments on lyrics, whereby I'm noted to have said that it is pointless to talk about them is somewhat far from the truth. My actual statement was that people should have their own opinion on what lyrics are about, if that wasn't the case a full explanation of each song would be given in the inlay. If you have an idea for a song, and say, it's better than the one Chris had in mind, or apparently did (usually the case) do you change your idea to his? If so, why? Chris Cornell is NOT a god, just someone with the fortunate ability to take emotion, trivia and fiction and express them in a global manner. It doesn't mean he's any more important than anyone else, and that is why your own opinion of a song is just as important as his. On a general note, I don't own Soundgarden's "Louder Than Love" LP, and nobody seems to mention it, is it a worthy purchase? ------------------------------ Subject: Re: My mailbox is cleared for more hate mail, so, in your own time. From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Well, again I'm reeling from a heavy bout of hate mail, but for once I I'm sorry you had to receive any hate mail - I'm sorry I have had to receive any hate mail - I'm sorry anyone on this list has had to receive hate mail. We are a group of people from all walks of life and we are going to disagree with each other one time or another. But please guys - Lets start this week out a little bit better. It's hard enough defending my musical taste to the world around me - that I don't want to do it here, where I hoped I would be among friends and people of similar taste (notice I said similar). I really love music - all music. Some types more than others, but I like tea better than coffee - so big deal. I want to hear your likes and dislikes - that way I can make a better choices when I buy music. If someone on this list tell us that so and so is got a really good CD out. And then someone else agrees - I consider buying it. The same goes if allot of you give me bad input on a CD. That's why we come to this list. To share our ideas, our likes and dislikes - and God forbid make some new friends. And this can be done in a nice constructive way - not with hate. So, Stacy - I think you should try Louder Than Love - in fact - if you give me your address I will make you a copy, that way you can give it a listen and not sink any money in to it. It is a good CD, not SG's best but worth having. And Steven - Where are ya. I miss your input. Clown - I haven't seen any of the strange sense of humor your so good at. Last but not lease Moon Druid - Oh, you know how I feel about you. I consider myself one luck lady - I have 4 guys here to help me learn about music and to share a small piece of my life with - so please put away the sarcasm, the flames, the hate - we all need you on this list. Jamie PS: You can all stop throwing up now - your friendly village idiot will stop running at the mouth. ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: Musical Integrity Dudes, I agree that Silverchair is not a Nirvana ripoff. I think that BUSH is a real BIG ripoff because they sound(garden?) so much like Nirvana. I must disagree that they suck but hey, this is the non-official SOUNDGARDEN mailing place not Silverchair, not Bush, not Nirvana, only Soundgarden and its related topics. Have a nice day ,) ! SGF ------------------------------ From: stolen.prayers@bbs.cowland.com Subject: The Soundgarden song I LEAST like??? Well, y'know, I never give this one a whole lot of thought, because I'm usually focusing on the songs I do like =D I guess it would have to be Fresh Deadly Roses. It's an ok song, but sometimes unfortunately it gets on my nerves... I dunno, there's nothing wrong with the song, it's pretty cool I guess, but it doesn't crumble my cookie like a lot of other Soundgarden songs do... y'know... like "Fresh Tendrils". Sorry if anyone who loves this song is offended. I just got out of bed and Spoonman is on right now, I feel like jumping off the roof or something.. y'know, just to get my ya-yas out. - -=*< Hello, frantic frauds of verse. Hang on to your lies. >*=- => Prick <= ^^^^^ ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: a silent peson Blind dog, i consider myself to be a major soundgarden fan, but most of the time i consider this lists postings worthless dribble. I don't care what Susan Silver looks like. I know Chris isn't homophobic. Kim has always been male. I don't want to listen to Black Hole Sun MTV converts tell me their opinion on what songs rule. I don't care what people have on their computers. I don't have the time to read 30 damn messages a day. If i'm lucky, i check my e-mail about once every 3 days. Where do you people get your free time to respond 10 times...? i myself am not gay or a gay basher or homophobic. i am white and not racist. And if Soundgarden was reading this list, i bet they would kill us all. The only reason i read this is to get NEWS about Soundgarden and maybe some concert, bootleg stuff. Some of u take Soundarden to seriously. 665-667 is not satanic. it is a joke. Big dumb sex is a joke. This list is a joke. sounding irate, - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A LimoWreck j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "To die unsung would really bring you down" -Helmet "When they come to ethnically cleans me, will you speak out, will you defend me?" -Pop Will Eat Itself "I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Mary fuckin Christmas" -Dennis Leary ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: My mailbox is cleared for more hate mail, so, in your own time. Louder than Love...hm...Go for it man. It's got great songs like Hands all over, Ugly Truth, Uncovered, etc. The only thing I don't like(personal opinion) is that CC's vocals are still shitty. I think (p.o. again) that his great vocal sounds start from BMF on. But anyway, it's a great buy and I don't think you'll be disappointed. Great riffs, odd time signatures, and of course, the great and unique SGarden sound gotta go 'cause I'm searching for my class with my good eye closed. (I'm LATE!!!!!) SGF ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: why did they record it? Ok, yhe sg song i like the least is "I Awake" from LTL. It's not a Soundgarden song lyrically. The words don't have the intricate style and complexity of the usual lyrics Chris writes. BTW, who is K. McDonald (the author of the song)? And also i don't feel like the lyrics and the music really interact with each other. -j *************************************************************************** "The words you say -"The Day i Tried to Live" never seem to live up to by the ones inside your head" Soundgarden **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: dgarrett@bcs.org.uk (Daniel Garrett) Subject: Worst SG Track > D>this is a bit flippant!) peoples least fave band member?? Ben gets my vote > D>since I read an interview where he said he hates touring, despises the fans > D>said he liked to spit on them and kick them at gigs- nice guy!! Also I thin > D>the songs he's written (except Somewhere) are not that hot. Just my opinion > > D>Looking for a pedestal that I can put you on.... > > > D>Daniel Garrett > > > he did????? are you sure?? yuck... what interview was this??? > -stolen prayers > > > > I'm absolutely sure. It was in Kerrang (our weekly metal rag here in the UK, i don't even buy it anymore, it appeals to the "beavis" type fan and has posters of P. Anderson in it, metal? I think not!!) around feb/march last year after they played The Big Day Out Fest in Australia. Cornell and the others also said that they would hate to get in fight with him as he would keep going until he'd killed them!! Daniel Garrett ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: why did they record it? From the driver's seat of his Jaguar XJ6, blind dog said: > quite simply, I'd like to know what soundgarden song is least > liked by everyone on the list. we talk about the stuff we like, but what - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't particularly care for "No Wrong No Right" or "Nazi Driver." BDM "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: Worst SG Track I must agree that Ben is somewhat "out there" 'cause he acts all wierd and all the stuff you say. I just gotta tell you that his songs do rule. They are so F@$% wierd and odd-timed. And anyway, Ben fits into the band just the way that he is. I wouldn't change any members. On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Daniel Garrett wrote: > On the subject of people's worst SG song, my opinion is that Exit Stonehenge is > a load of toss and Full on Kev's Mom comes a close second. Don't get me wrong > SG are my fave band in the known universe its just that I am able to > differentiate between bad and good, i'm not one of these diehard worshipping > fans that won't hear a bad word said against their band. Also what about ( and > this is a bit flippant!) peoples least fave band member?? Ben gets my vote > since I read an interview where he said he hates touring, despises the fans and > said he liked to spit on them and kick them at gigs- nice guy!! Also I think > the songs he's written (except Somewhere) are not that hot. Just my opinion. > > Looking for a pedestal that I can put you on.... > > > Daniel Garrett > ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Leave Ben Alone Everyone, I would just like to say that That we should all leave Ben Alone, Yeah I know the man is weird who cares so am I. Yeah I don't think he's ever written a song with a symmetriv time signature in his life(mabye one or 2) but I like his songs. Head Down is a great song, plus there needs to be something quirky and strange on soundgarden albums. It cannot all be Anger and darkness ala Kim and Chris. Besides above all he's a great bassist, he's not a funkster like Timmy C. from rage or Les Claypool, but I love those rumbling base lines on TDITTL and Slaves and Bulldozers so leave my man Ben Alone. Clown With Bazooka - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "This song is about killing your fucking boss" - Chris Cornell _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: 945818@utb.edu Subject: slaves and bulldozers as i was examining my mail for the day, i came across a message somebody (i can't remember who) send to the list about least favorite soundgarden songs. even though i profess to love soundgarden unconditionally, i have to give my two cents worth on the subject. there is only one song that comes to mind right now that doesn't, shall we say, float my boat, and that is slaves and bulldozers. i know many people will disagree with me on this, but i really just don't like it. maybe it's the length of the song, maybe it's because i think there's a lot of noodling going on during the song, i don't know. it just doesn't make sense to me jen ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Guess what everyone! This has to do with Soundgarden, so don't worry. But I have totell you my freaky story. Last night when I got home, or to my dorm, whatever you feel like calling it, I felt like listening to Soundgarden. Well, no big deal. I'm going around my room singing la-de-da-da looking for my CD in my suitcases (cause I brought it home with me). And then all of a sudden I realized it wasn't there!!! oh no, I had left it at home, 3 hours away. What was I to do? Well, there I was freaking out and jumping up and down in the middle of the room when my roommate got up, stuck her hand in my schoolbag, and out came my CD!! Then I went around the room singing la-de-da-da again. Just though you would like to hear my story.-Sara ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: Ben and Kurt On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > Why is saying Ben is on Heroin marring him? -j b/c it is of no relevance. if someone has a substance abuse problem, i'm sure it isn't something they are proud of. we aren't here to say that he is a lousy drug user, but rather to say what a great musician he is. ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: a silent peson If this is how you feel, then by all means, unsubscribe yourself. On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Limo Wreck wrote: > Blind dog, > i consider myself to be a major soundgarden fan, but most of the time i > consider this lists postings worthless dribble. I don't care what Susan Silver > looks like. I know Chris isn't homophobic. Kim has always been male. I don't > want to listen to Black Hole Sun MTV converts tell me their opinion on what > songs rule. I don't care what people have on their computers. > I don't have the time to read 30 damn messages a day. If i'm lucky, i check my > e-mail about once every 3 days. Where do you people get your free time to > respond 10 times...? ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Warped vocals. I was singing in my room the other day on fall break, and because my brother hates my pitiful singing voice so much, i decided to record some of my singing. I was experimenting w/ where the best place to hold the mic would be, and as i walked over to my stereo, i somehow ended up holding the microphone on one side of a fan, and singing from the other side. This may seem to be no big deal to some, but there is a change in the sound that is noticeable if you listen for it. It seemed to me like it was the same kind of vocal effect CC used in "Ugly Truth" from LTL. Anyone else know what the hell i'm talking about? *************************************************************************** "The words you say -"The Day i Tried to Live" never seem to live up to by the ones inside your head" Soundgarden **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: favorite non album tracks Well, if you haven't guessed yet, i'd like to know what everyone's favorite non album sg song is. I guess its pretty easy to figure out what mine is huh? Is it the same thing for you, blind dog? Are there any other names that i am forgetting? -j *************************************************************************** "The words you say -"The Day i Tried to Live" never seem to live up to by the ones inside your head" Soundgarden **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: Sara Hoeck's letter On Oct 9, 11:45am, Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) wrote: > Subject: > Guess what everyone! This has to do with Soundgarden, so don't worry. But > I have totell you my freaky story. Last night when I got home, or to my > dorm, whatever you feel like calling it, I felt like listening to > Soundgarden. Well, no big deal. I'm going around my room singing > la-de-da-da looking for my CD in my suitcases (cause I brought it home with > me). And then all of a sudden I realized it wasn't there!!! oh no, I had > left it at home, 3 hours away. What was I to do? Well, there I was > freaking out and jumping up and down in the middle of the room when my > roommate got up, stuck her hand in my schoolbag, and out came my CD!! Then > I went around the room singing la-de-da-da again. Just though you would > like to hear my story.-Sara > > this is what i hate... I don't care about la-de-da. You people have to much free time. >-- End of excerpt from Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A LimoWreck j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "To die unsung would really bring you down" -Helmet "When they come to ethnically cleans me, will you speak out, will you defend me?" -Pop Will Eat Itself "I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Mary fuckin Christmas" -Dennis Leary ------------------------------ From: Chris Dawg Subject: First-time mailer Howdy, all of y'all in SG Land! I originally sent in an unsubscribe message, but once I got through the 1100 messages I had, the pain soon subsided and I was once again excited about this mailing list! (Good thing I typed the address wrong!) Anyhow, besides the information on the official SG home page, does anyone have any new information about the new album/ CD5? I really enjoyed Bush's "Little Things" single/CD rom and am expecting even better things from my main men Soundgarden!!! I guess the main thing I want to know about it was whether or not both versions of the new CD will be available to the public. "The day I tried to live I stole a thousand beggars change and gave it to the rich"---Love, peace and hairgrease, Chris Dawg ------------------------------ From: Chris Dawg Subject: Once again it's on! Howdy!! Can you guys let me know if my stuff is gettin' through? I'm not sure if my first message is getting posted or not. Another question: Has anyone heard of or have any info on a group called "Brad" that suppposedly has some Seattle residents/ SG members in it? "The day I tried to live I stole a thousand beggars' change and gave it to the rich"-- Love, peace and hairgrease, Chris Dawg ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Lyrical Results Sommers, Here is everyones favorite Lyrics, 1)Fave Soundgarden Lyric, "the lives we make never seem to get us anywhere but dead" 3 way tie for second. 2)Just like Suicide "Bit down on the bullet now I had a taste so sour had to think of something sweet" 3)Rusty Cage "and it's raining icepicks on your steel shore" 4)Big Dumb Sex "I know what to do, I'm gonna fuck fuck fuck fuck you" 2)Fave Seattle Area Lyric, By an overwhelming landslide, Just Like Suicide (This one did not win above, it seems everyone who voted for this song liked it as they're fave seattle area lyric, but no one who voted for tdittl voted for it in this category) 3)Fave Lyric Of all Time " Stairway To Heaven" Led Zepplin "As we wind on Down the Road There walks a lady we all Know" 4) Most unique submission: A single word: "Damn" spoken by chris cornell in Big Dumb Sex Submitted By Jamesetta Simpson 5) My Favorite sg and seattle Lyric: Fourth Of July; "Shadow in the dark day, clean sparks diving down, cool in the water way where the Baptized drown" Fave Lyric's Of all Time: " Whirlpool" Seal "Like a square in a circle especially when you think you've gone insane and you get for love is lots of Pain, I should have known better" Thanks to everyone who contributed and to those that didn't speak up all of your input is welcome, there is about 300 of you out there and only about 30 of you responded, the list will only be improved by your input. Thanks, Clown With Bazooka _______________________________________________________________________________ They're all a Bunch Of Clowns With Bazookas. -Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: WILL9396@VARNEY.IDBSU.EDU Subject: Letterbomb I don't know if I am on the right thing, but hey what can it hurt. I'm another new person and I was just curious as to what "being flamed" ment. I was also somewhat surprised that I got so much mail. I don't mind though. I do have a question for you wisened philosophers of sound's garden. How can I get SoundGardens "Covering Them" boot. I need to know because when I was reading up on it it sounded cool. Tell me if it will rip my pants off and make me giddy or if I'll cough up bile listening to the cheapness. ------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Sara Hoeck's letter Don't want to sound rude, Limo Wreck AKA Jeremy Crocker, but why don't you get the digest if the volume of mail you're receiving is a problem? The last thing I want to see (and shoot me if I'm wrong) is the list stifled because some people want less mail... or failing that, unsubscribe. Just suggestions... Jackhammer. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Letterbomb From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > I don't know if I am on the right thing, but hey what can it >hurt. I'm another new person and I was just curious as to what "being >flamed" ment. The first time you post something and you get a response back that turns your stomach in side out, raise your temperature, makes the hair on you head stand up, sweaty palms, teeth grinding, heart pounding, and that vein (either in your head or neck) stands out about 2 inches. And you can't understand why someone would say these things to you. You'll know you been flamed. Let's hope you never find out what "flamed" means from this list. Welcome to the (super)know SG list Jamie ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: Ben and Kurt Noel Redding? Better than everyone, including Ben??? You've gone mad methinks! You have obviously never listened to the likes of Les Claypool, Kai Eckhardt, Victor Wooton, Charlie Hayden, Paul D'amour, Doug Wimbish, etc. etc. Noel Redding was a guitar player originally, the man had no bass skills. On Sun, 8 Oct 1995 MoonDruid@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 95-10-08 19:41:37 EDT, mdevlin@ic.sunysb.edu (Milkman) > writes: > > >Of what significance is this. Ben rules on bass. Only Noel Reading is > >better. So why mar his appearance by saying that? > > Were you here earlier for the "Big veins" discussion. My theory was that he > was on heroien. It's just an assumption, read the disclaimer below. > > Moon Druid > > DISCLAIMER : All things said by said druid do not reflect to opinions of the > band, the unoficial Soundgarden home page, the official Soundgarden homepage, > any druids still left over from ancient welsh times, or Susan Silvers. If you > agree with them, they are my opinions. If you disagree, they are someone > else's opinion. > > > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: ripoffs I will say no more than just this: YOU FOOL! On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Benjamin Jon Macqueen wrote: > Howdy, there seems to be a bit of conversation about supposed rip off > bands, but it seems that some of us are getting a bit trivial. If we are > going to nit-pick, then Led Zeppelin ripped off Jeff Beck, and everyone > ripped off early Chicago blues. Just my two cents worth. > > Cheers > -Ben..... > -s9511466@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au > > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: a silent peson Wait, you forgot to metion that YOU SUCK. On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Limo Wreck wrote: > Blind dog, > i consider myself to be a major soundgarden fan, but most of the time i > consider this lists postings worthless dribble. I don't care what Susan Silver > looks like. I know Chris isn't homophobic. Kim has always been male. I don't > want to listen to Black Hole Sun MTV converts tell me their opinion on what > songs rule. I don't care what people have on their computers. > I don't have the time to read 30 damn messages a day. If i'm lucky, i check my > e-mail about once every 3 days. Where do you people get your free time to > respond 10 times...? > > i myself am not gay or a gay basher or homophobic. i am white and not racist. > > And if Soundgarden was reading this list, i bet they would kill us all. The > only reason i read this is to get NEWS about Soundgarden and maybe some > concert, bootleg stuff. > > Some of u take Soundarden to seriously. 665-667 is not satanic. it is a joke. > Big dumb sex is a joke. This list is a joke. > > sounding irate, > > -- > > Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A LimoWreck > j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu > http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html > > "To die unsung would really bring you down" -Helmet > "When they come to ethnically cleans me, will you > speak out, will you defend me?" -Pop Will Eat Itself > "I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Mary fuckin Christmas" > -Dennis Leary > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: Warped vocals. Yeah, nowadays in the studio despite all the high-tech digital equipment and oodles of effects like reverb, eq, flanging, phasing, echo delay, chorus, etc etc, most producers and engineers just like to use a fan. On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > I was singing in my room the other day on fall break, and because my > brother hates my pitiful singing voice so much, i decided to record some > of my singing. I was experimenting w/ where the best place to hold the > mic would be, and as i walked over to my stereo, i somehow ended up > holding the microphone on one side of a fan, and singing from the other > side. This may seem to be no big deal to some, but there is a change in > the sound that is noticeable if you listen for it. It seemed to me like > it was the same kind of vocal effect CC used in "Ugly Truth" from LTL. > Anyone else know what the hell i'm talking about? > > *************************************************************************** > "The words you say -"The Day i Tried to Live" > never seem to live up to by > the ones inside your head" Soundgarden > **************************************************************************** > > ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com (Samson) Subject: Message about messages about messages After waiting about five minutes for the October 5th digest to load in off my 9600 baud modem, I popped it open to find literally pages of text devoted to the fact that people are clogging up the list with extraneous comments about non-SG issues. The irony of it all. But I'm not one to fail to jump on the bandwagon, so I thought I'd clog some modems with some supplementary supplemental addenda to the miscellany that has already been drawn out ad nauseam. First of all, I have avoided weighing in on the STP issue, since I thought it was irrelevant. But now that people have started complaining about the STPization of the list, my urge to annoy has overwhelmed by better judgement. I don't like STP. But too much is made of their similarity to Pearl Jam. When I first heard them, I thought the station was playing an old Alice in Chains b-side. They are just another 70's hard-rock derivation -- as are bands like, oh, say, Pearl Jam and AIC. I think those of us who have been listening to SG and Mother Love Bone since the 80's (and aren't we so fucking cool?) started to feel that the "Seattle Sound" had been co-opted by the mass culture, and just as that happened STP came along. I was conditioned to receive STP as an aversive stimulus. So it really did not matter whether STP ripped off AIC note for note or actually came up with the formula before everyone else. I still would not like them. (I can only imagine what Rush must have sounded like in '74 to Zeppelin fans.) Also, I must confess confusion about one post: >From: samm@mail.usa1.com (Sam M.) >Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 3 Oct 1995 > >> 8. White Album (Beatles) -- I'm not even sure if I have this one but it >> plays in my mind. Has anyone else notice the similarity between the solos >> of Thayil and Harrison? > >Yeah! But, what boggles me is... How the hell did George manage to copy >Kim, when he was there before him? I'm confused. Maybe he gave him >private lessons before SG became popular? Maybe he's a Martian and has a >time-machine? Anyone? How can this be? > > >Hey! Hey! Easy! Lower those shotguns! I'm only kidding! I'm afraid I must take a shot, but not for the reason you think. Who the fuck are you, anyway? You deleted out the quote markers and made it look like this post came from me. What's more, it looks like I lost my mind, posted one item of a top ten list -- number 8, for some reason -- and then responded to my own post. And how did you respond to a post which the mailer told me did not get sent? I don't see the full post in my digest. What the hell is going on? Sham ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: I applaud this one / BdMtrFngr On 6 October 1995, Jackhammer the Sane One wrote: > See if you can hang on for a ride around my mind... > >OK - Such a cartoon produced by one Jackhammer would be called >SuperLouderMotorFopp and................ Jackhammer, give yourself a pat on the back, man! I enjoyed reading your cartoon idea, AND your cereal thoughts. Oh, and BdMtrFngr: GET A LIFE. I suppose you didn't like Moon Druid's ideas about cereals & cartoons, either - not Soundgarden-related enough for you, perhaps? Askairi Williams asked you the question "Would you like it if someone told you that the first day you posted ?" - well, I wish someone HAD told you to piss off, because that's what I and many others on this list (by the flood of other letters that came forth after you made your posting to Holy OJ) wish you WOULD do. Sorry - I just had to get that off my chest. {aw, shit. shouldn't have done that! I used to always want a bigger chest - - and then I go & offload it & now it's back to normal again...........} Yes it's me! Carolyn the Malicious (this time) Fucker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Holy OJ's dream On 6 October 1995, Neil "Holy O.J." Atkinson wrote: >Anyway I am new here and >I figured this would be a good way to introduce myself.............. >By the way I do think that Soundgarden Rocks, but then again so >does everyone else here, so I figured I would write what I >just did. Welcome to the list, Holy OJ!! I thought your letter of introduction was a great, original idea. And I liked it. You made a good point above about why you wrote it, so, just ignore BdMtrFngr's RUDE note to you! Hopefully you trashed it straight away like I did - that's all it was worth. You've probably guessed by now that the majority of us are pretty cool people............ Write more, okay? Carolyn the Mercurial Fem-fatale (thanks Jackhammer) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Glenn unsubscribing / BdMtrFngr :( On 6 October 1995, Glenn wrote: >> Ass hole. > >Was this a comment, or your signature? It would be somehow fitting... > >I'm also sorry to say that I'm starting to understand why people are >unsubscribing. Unfortunately, I'm considering it, myself. GLENN!! DO NOT UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!! We love you!!!!! I have an idea: trash anything BdMtrFngr posts??? Nah, just kidding. BMF - I actually LIKE reading some of your opinions/ideas. I just took offense at what you wrote to Holy OJ when the poor guy had done nothing to you. I'm usually an "unruffleable" person, but when I saw what you wrote.....................grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! :-[ that's all I'll say on the matter now. now it's REALLY off my chest. subject closed. carolyn the mf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) HI GUYS! Since I'm not getting anyone's mail for a day, I thought that I should tell you. For some reason my name got taken off the list, seth knows nothing about it, and he put me back on,but I won't receive anything until tomorrow,so I'll see you all again then. -Sara ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I love santa On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Liesl A Asiu wrote: > I would also like to think that Chris and the rest of the band are a bit > beyond that sort of thing. I always thought that SG were serious and really > into their music, it would be a terrible let down if I found that they had > to resort to cheap antics like that to gain a couple extra fans. > I am certainly not impressed by that stuff. soundgarden are definitely *not* beyond that sort of thing. sure, the play a lot of serious and sombre stuff, but they have to lighten the mood at some point. who could play mailman, the day I tried to live, outshined and limo wreck night in, night out without going manic depressive? chris said once that they play so much dark music, that sometimes they have to look at themselves and laugh, and then launch into sex farm. I don't think their dark style and a bit of humour are mutually exclusive. so if they want to sing 'I love santa' backwards, then more power to 'em. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: jra79@uow.edu.au Subject: Original? Well to put a stick in the spokes.. Who says that any band is original? Popular music is really an evolutionary process. Nirvana were sued by Killing Joke for ripping off "Come as you are" and their seems to be some contention over "Smells like teen spirit" and a Pixies song. Would Pearl Jam be around if not for Jimi Hendrix and Neil Young? Soundgarden have taken the HM sounds of the 70s (Black Sabbath) into the 90s. The whole Seattle Sound is a farce. It's just a marketing label like the Mancester thing. How hard is it to sound 'grunge' for God's sake?! Turn up your guitar and go. Doing it well...that's a different story. STP copped a lot of flack and I really think it was just the timing of the release of the album. As Pavement say.."I think their foxy are they foxy to you" (Range Life). Badmotorfinger was a definite cognitve leap and took music forward a step. A can't say that about many other bands from the so called scene. AIC's harmonys maybe. Who gives a fuck about the Seattle bands. (Mudhoney - "Overblown"). I don't. SG seem to deserve more than this label. The real/fake/original thing is stupid. All we are argueing about is bands that play with the standard instrumental line-up and sing pop songs (I'd really like to hear that band with to bodily noises). Anyway that's enough. Don't get to riled up about the 70s SG reference. We can't have the 90s without the 80s and 70s (to state the bleeding obvious). Lay off the kids too (Silverchair). I think their success can be contributed to how together they sound for a bunch of children. They may push the boundarys of music a little yet (like SG, unlike PG and Nirvana). See ya, RICH. P.S. Carolyn - How does it feel to have the same home town as Dave Graney? ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: just a thought... I was thinking on the way to uni today that maybe soundgarden's lyrical content (esp. chris') may look like it is getting less aggressive and more oppressive, but maybe it is getting more optimistic. if you look at the songs from badmotorfinger through to superunknown, the first song 'rusty cage' has chris singing about, of course, how he is going to break his rusty cage. but the last song from superunknown (like suicide) has him safe inside his gilded cage. is this an improvement? are they getting just too darn happy? one more time around might do it? only a suggestion though :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Kate Mercier Subject: RE: Erudite #9, 78,1 Hello-- Maybe your personal god's proper name is "Yahweh", but that doesn't mean everyone else's is. Please avoid trying to name my god. Thank you very much. Kate Maybe ------------------------------ From: Benjamin Jon Macqueen Subject: Re: green river schtuff Howdy, sorry that this is a bit late concerning your message on Green River but I'm still recovering after a fairly, well, how do I put this, let's just say I took many a trip on Mexican Airlines, but that's beside the point. Back to the subject, I have a Green River album, actually, it's two EP's on the one album. They are called Dry as a Bone and Rehab Doll. Mark Arm sings, but there is another guy who plays guitar, not Steve Turner. His name illudes me at present, but Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament are both on it and a guy called Bruce Fairwhether plays drums. He is apparently in another band at present, but I dunno who. From what I've heard they were pre Mudhoney and pre Mother Love Bone and the two consequenting bands formed from this. Correct me please if I'm wrong on this points. Hope this info helped you out. Cheers. - -Ben..... - -s9511466@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au ------------------------------ From: Benjamin Jon Macqueen Subject: Mudhoney Howdy, I was just wondering ifd anyone knew of a Mudhoney mailing list. Personally, I think they're shit hot. I've been into them for ages and if anyone out there knows of a mailing list it would be much appresiated! Cheers - -Ben..... - -s9511466@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au ------------------------------ From: ADAMSON RICHARD J Subject: RE:Original Grandpa Simpson: "Everythings a copy these days. Why the fax machine is just a phone with a waffle iron attached." Are we living is a post-post modern era? Is popular music mining the sounds of the past and taking up where others left off? If musical development is linked with technological advancement (The well tempered clav., the electric guitar, multi-track recording etc, etc) is the Sampler the instrument of the era. If so, is it the product or a source of post-post modernism. Is art dead along with god? Just random thoughts. RICH. ------------------------------ From: Benjamin Jon Macqueen Subject: Re: EJ Fry Mr. Ej, you seems to be passing a shitload of judgement on everyone else! Take a pill and chill out! ------------------------------ Subject: concerns From: seth I try my best not to post stuff that isn't at all Soundgarden- or mailing list-related, and it's always better if message content deals with SG rather than just the list. Anyway, I have a gripe with the way things have become. I realize that there were a lot of hostile feelings towards certain subscribers of this list and that some of you felt that newcomers would not post as a result of this. Well, newcomers eventually did post. Now what's killing me is that 90% of the new posts have nothing to do with Soundgarden and EVERY TIME a newcomer posts, some oldtimer posts a "Welcome to the list! I like your style! Post more!" message. I think some of you are losing sight of the original intent of this list: TO DISCUSS SOUNDGARDEN AND RELATED ISSUES. I can deal with the arguments about bands being ripoffs or not; I can deal sometimes with discussion about Silverchair and AIC. But please please PLEASE people can we try not to make a 300-person social gathering out of this list? That's not why I created it. If you like what someone says, write to them privately, if it has nothing to do with Soundgarden. If you have something like "Hey guys! I have nothing to say about Soundgarden, but I felt like saying hello to you all!" to say, say it to yourself. Newcomers, there's no need to write a separate message just to introduce yourself. If you want to be all warm and fuzzy and social, arrange to meet people on IRC or in some AOL chat room or whatever. The other thing that has been bothering me for a while is that the list has become stagnant. Those who have been here since the beginning have discussed everything imaginable that relates to Soundgarden. It's up to the new people to ask questions and start interesting threads, and don't hesitate to post if you have something to say about Soundgarden. We may have heard it before, but that only allows us to give better replies. We'll all be back to square one in 43 days. seth (listadmin) ------------------------------ From: Benjamin Jon Macqueen Subject: Hands All Over Howdy, I recently saw the film clip for Hands All Over and I was just wondering, for any of those who have seen it, who is the blonde guy. From what I remember, Yamamoto did the bass on LTL but on the film clip there is a guy with blonde curly hair running around. I'm confused, please clarify this little discrepency for me. Cheers - -Ben..... - -s9511466@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au ------------------------------ From: samm@mail.usa1.com (Samson) Subject: Ty Cobb You may think this has nothing to do with sg but bear with me. Just to end all the piecemeal postings about the (ostensible) subject of a Soundgarden song I have not heard, I thought I'd post the meat of Ty Cobb's lifetime stats: Batting Avg: .367 (1st) Total bases: 5863 (4th) RBI's: 1961 (4th) Runs scored: 2245 (1st) Hits: 4191 (2nd) Stolen bases: 892 (3rd) Stolen Prayers: 0 (1st, tie) Played center field for the Detroit Tigers, 1906-1928. First triple-crown winner (HR's, RBI's, Batting), 1909. 12 AL batting titles, 1907-15, 1917-19. Inducted into Hall of Fame as one of 5 charter members (w/ Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Walter Johnson, and Christy Mathewson -- who, by the way, was never a woman), 1936. I mention this, in part, to get under the skin of all the Aussies and Brits who won't understand any of it. FYI, baseball is that game which they modelled cricket after....Ok, let's fight now... Also, the boys themselves are all baseball right now as their beloved Mariners are chasing a pennant. (Now maybe we can debate whether Edgar Martinez is a better hitter than Cornell is a singer...) SSammmy Sam Samson ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: Re: slaves and bulldozers Ouch.....Slaves and Bulldozers the worst song!!! That's the song that first made me get into Soundgarden, listening to it live off SOMMS. I'd have to say the worst songs are: - - the album version of Half and- Big Dumb Sex BTW..... Little Joe is a great song, especially live. Poor blind dog never could appreciate their older stuff. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 65] ***************************************