From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 9 Oct 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 01:38:43 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 9 Oct 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Re: Chris - Homophobic? Re: Reverse- Avatar Ben n' Kurt Re: 665 --> 667 in REVERSE!!! Re: 665 --> 667 in REVERSE!!! Too old? We are all homophobic??? Since when?!? Re: Too old? Ben and Kurt Re: Australia Re: Australia Re: Chris - Homophobic? Re: GUITARS Re: Australia Re: Australia Re: Australia green river schtuff.... Erudite #9,78,1 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 8 Oct 1995 Re: Ben and Kurt Re: Heh heh heh...FREE THE JUICE!!! Re: Opinions on opinions Re: is CC Jesus' twin? Re: F Re: Re: suggestions, trading, lyrics Re: bow down and kiss seth's ring :) Re: Fwd: Foolish Re: Chris & Kurt Re: Ben and Kurt Re: Ben and Kurt ripoffs Re: bow down and kiss seth's ring :) ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Malkav Subject: Re: Chris - Homophobic? > ***ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NOTE (sorry to yell, but I had to get your > attention): Here's a question for the die-hard SG fans in the audience: has > anyone out there got the lowdown on Green River? If I'm remembering correctly > (and I don't think I am) it was a band featuring members of SG and/or > Mudhoney and/or MotherLoveBone. I don't know if they even released anything > other than a single or two, but apparently they were one of those great > collaborations that were going on in Seattle in the mid-to-late '80's (if only > I'd known). *SIGH* > i think that green river was members of mudhoney and motheerlovebone. jeff ament and stone gossard were in it and i don't remember who from mudhoney right now. of course it is like 3 in the morning for me. "Insomnia sucks!" - I am saying this right now... ------------------------------ From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: Re: Reverse- Avatar I think that the reverse messages ARE sarcasm, Avatar... especially in light of the "the devil says...." Speak n' Spell clip at the beginning of Searching With My Good Eyes Closed. :) Glenn ------------------------------ From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: Ben n' Kurt To whoever was wondering about Ben's relationship with Kurt... Ben jammed with Nirvana a couple times when the band was still getting its act together... In the Nirvana book, "Come As You Are", it talks about the numerous drummers and second guitar players the band went thru, and it also mentions Ben. Kurt is quoted as saying that Ben was a nice guy, just a little too weird to be a member of the band... :) Glenn ------------------------------ From: Avatar Subject: Re: 665 --> 667 in REVERSE!!! On Sat, 7 Oct 1995 MoonDruid@aol.com wrote: > >In regards to 665 backwards. Is it just me or is CC saying stuff like, > >"oh yeah baby, gimme some sugar," etc... Is this jive talk? > > Okay, everyone...here's a little project for you. Record 665 as a .wav file. > Then, reverse it, and play it that way!! > > "I love you Satan, baby!!" and much much more will come RIIIIIIIIGHT on out. > So, now, what ARE the lyrics? > > Moon Druid > Indeed, this is so. The song list on the back of the album (Ultramega OK) is a bit confusing... it looks like 665->667 is one track with Beyond the Wheel after it, but it is actually 3 tracks... 665, Beyond the Wheel and 667. I never paid any attention to this until I was entering in the playlist for my Windows (shudder...) CD player program. I hope this clears this up for those people (like me) who hadn't previously paid much attention to it. I wonder why CC decided to record two reversed psychotic-sounding Satan worship tracks on the CD? I mean, it's not as though they were necessary or anything... (maybe it's sarcasm... satire of all those bands who pretend they're the antichrist etc...) Anyone else have any thoughts to share on the matter? - - Avatar. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 665 --> 667 in REVERSE!!! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >I wonder why CC decided to record two reversed psychotic-sounding Satan >worship tracks on the CD? I mean, it's not as though they were necessary >or anything... > >(maybe it's sarcasm... satire of all those bands who pretend they're the >antichrist etc...) > >Anyone else have any thoughts to share on the matter? > >Avatar. Definitely Chris's way of poking fun. He has a quick wit and can and does slipp it in to his music. I think the band (I know this is going to sound strange) is really normal ever day type people - that's normal in the sense that they deal with every day problems in the usual ways. Their life style may be allot different from ours - but only because of the profession they are in. They eat, sleep, get up set at social problems like we do, but I don't think they are closet Satan worshipers or over the edge on the black arts in any way. Jamie ------------------------------ From: DanaBT@aol.com Subject: Too old? I missed that post! CC too old to rock and roll? No way!! As a 30 year young woman I take offense!! Each time I've seen Soundgarden they've given their best and CC has destroyed numerous innocent guitars as he ran around the stage like a madman. He got really pissed off at this one at the San Jose show last year and even started kicking it. Urbano, como esta? I know it feels as though you've been ignored but it could be worse, look at all the fighting and name calling going on!! At least you have contributed something positive to the list (your artwork). Keep it up! There needs to be more positive input here. Back to Soundgarden(sort of), I really think Kim was just joking about the sex change thing!! Like someone said, let's have a sense of humor people!! Time to convert another friend, she was doing so well for awhile, (The Stones, Doors, etc.) but now she's back into Enya, Reba and other musically" challenging" artists like that. Although, she thinks that Kim is "cute" and has a "good personality" after I made her watch "Badmotorvision" last year. Now it's time to break out the 1992 Lolapalooza show taped in Seattle.I know that will get her!! We'll raise our Castlemaine's to you Carolyn!! ------------------------------ From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: We are all homophobic??? Since when?!? I just wanted to clear something up with Askairi (and NO this is NOT a flame...).... You say that we are all a "bit racist and homophobic"... Where do you get off telling me what I believe?? Don't mean to be impolite, but how can you dictate how other people think and feel by generalizing and lumping the entire populous into one huge, "can't-get-out-of-here" category?? I'm proud to say I have no prejudices, regardless of what I'm "supposed" to think... hell, I've got so many gay relatives that I've lost count. And I respect them more than most people. Thanks for your time, Glenn ------------------------------ From: troll@interlog.com (Christopher S. Andrade) Subject: Re: Too old? Hi folks, new list member here who couldn't let this post pass without adding to it. When I saw Soundgarden here in Toronto last summer (with NIN and a whole crapload of other bands) I too noticed that CC had busted a guitar string and just went ballistic, tossed it right across the stage just missing Kim. Then, later in the show his mic gave out and he rid of that by tossing it way up into the rafters of the stage setup. Needless to say, the sound of a mic hitting steel rafters makes quite an interesting sound. That's all for now... >I missed that post! CC too old to rock and roll? No way!! As a 30 year young >woman I take offense!! Each time I've seen Soundgarden they've given their >best and CC has destroyed numerous innocent guitars as he ran around the >stage like a madman. He got really pissed off at this one at the San Jose >show last year and even started kicking it. ******************************************************************************** crazy t.v. dreams might be true not what it seems. food and cavities, chewing words tear at the seams he don't feel so good, don't feel bad not that he should I don't feel so good, don't feel bad not that I should ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Ben and Kurt In a message dated 95-10-08 00:46:41 EDT, you write: >I read somewhere that Chris was not that close to Cobain. But Ben was. Ben >had traveled with Nirvana as a roadie and back up bass player. Which makes me think Ben is on heroien once again. Moon Druid ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: Australia Hey guy's! That "She likes suprises" song isn't so good. I don't know why you complain so much...be happy w/"Fell on black days" That one rules! ------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: Re: Australia In a message dated 95-10-07 07:22:37 EDT, Daniel Garrett wrote: >P.s. I don't understand why She likes Surprises is'nt on all formats of >Superunknown, its at least the 2nd best track on there, although Chris does >sound a little like Axl on the verse. I guess I'm a little out of it . . . what is "She Likes Surprises?" ------------------------------ From: Experiment@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris - Homophobic? In a message dated 95-10-07 19:51:33 EDT, Scott wrote: >***ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NOTE (sorry to yell, but I had to get your >attention): Here's a question for the die-hard SG fans in the audience: has >anyone out there got the lowdown on Green River? If I'm remembering >correctly >(and I don't think I am) it was a band featuring members of SG and/or >Mudhoney and/or MotherLoveBone. I don't know if they even released anything >other than a single or two, but apparently they were one of those great >collaborations that were going on in Seattle in the mid-to-late '80's (if >only >I'd known). *SIGH* I don't know about Green River . . . but Soundgarden DID do a sort of collaboration with Pearl Jam as Temple of the Dog (either Soundgarden or Pearl Jam actually had a different name at the time . . . actually, maybe it was Pearl Jam and Green River?) . . . but you all probably know all about that already and I'm just wasting my time . . . sigh . . . Soundgarden and Green River? . . . The Guitarist "Lives we make never seem to ever get us anywhere but dead." ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: GUITARS On Sat, 7 Oct 1995 Experiment@aol.com wrote: > Any Soundgarden-type guitarists out there? > Just WHAT exactly do u mean? SGF ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Australia On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Andrew Northcutt wrote: > Hey guy's! That "She likes suprises" song isn't so good. I don't > know why you complain so much...be happy w/"Fell on black days" That one > rules! > What do you mean, "She Likes Surprises" is no good?!!!! That song is wicked!!! Sure, it may not really fit the mood of Superunknown, but it is enough that every person in North America should want it!!! Thats just my opinion. Chris Mackenzie "Why aren't they singing - take you're vitamins, be a nice person?" - Soundgarden, Big Dumb Sex (New Version) "I dreamnt of Cindy & her thorazine screams and her perma-teen light & I've seen her loose her mind" - Truly, Angelhead ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: Australia O.K.! I said it isn't THAT good but I didn't say it wasn't good. You want a closer trip to get it? Go to Mexico...I got it there. Chiao! SGF ------------------------------ From: Andrew Northcutt Subject: Re: Australia On Sun, 8 Oct 1995 Experiment@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 95-10-07 07:22:37 EDT, Daniel Garrett wrote: > > >P.s. I don't understand why She likes Surprises is'nt on all formats of > >Superunknown, its at least the 2nd best track on there, although Chris does > >sound a little like Axl on the verse. > > I guess I'm a little out of it . . . what is "She Likes Surprises?" >DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a song that only came out in some Superunk. CDs Enjoy finding it! SGF ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: green river schtuff.... > > ***ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NOTE (sorry to yell, but I had to get your > attention): Here's a question for the die-hard SG fans in the audience: has > anyone out there got the lowdown on Green River? If I'm remembering correctly > (and I don't think I am) it was a band featuring members of SG and/or > Mudhoney and/or MotherLoveBone. I don't know if they even released anything > other than a single or two, but apparently they were one of those great > collaborations that were going on in Seattle in the mid-to-late '80's (if only > I'd known). *SIGH* i have a green river album called `come on down'...it was released on dutch east india trading or something like that, i can't remember what year (86?)...only six songs, low quality recording, but not too bad, overall... anyway, there is no one from soundgarden on the album...mark arm (vocals) and steve turner (lead gtr) from mudhoney are on it, as well as stone gossard (rhythm gtr) and jeff ament (bass) from pearl jam...i can't remember who the drummer is, but i thought that he went on to play for another seattle band...i dunno... there's a song on the album called `swallow my pride' that i've heard was also played by soundgarden...i don't know who wrote the tune first, but it's probably the best tune on the `come on down' album...`corner of my eye' is cool, too... ...later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Askairi Williams Subject: Erudite #9,78,1 Hail fellow Gardeners . Once again I bring thee good tidings from Westminster College . I first off would like to say that we all are a little homophobic but the majority of us all can control it . For example , in Philadelphia , D. Washington is OK with defending T.Hanks but then his own hatred gets the better of him and he snaps and gives all sorts of homophobic epithets . After this , he is OK . He even goes to the gay parties with Hanks . To sum it all up , we all are a little racist or homophobic . CC is merely expressing his slight homophobia in a less offensive way . As I have before , I commend him on his opinion and the way it was tastefully expressed . What is the deal with this talk of playing songs backward and finding satanic messages ? I am pretty sure that SG would not write songs about Jesus and then go and record a song with "I love you Satan" in it on purpose . They say that Satan rules the world but God ( whose real proper name is Yahweh ) rules the mind and soul . This is what " Superunknown " is about . "First it steals your mind , then it steals your soul " Of course when you look at the way the words " Superunknown " are written on the CD , you see that unknown is a mirror image . It may be a way to sell tapes to the part of the public who likes the weird and tghe eccentric or it may be that they want to illustrate the way that something essentially good such as humans can be corrupted by the world so that they cannot do what is good , but must do what they need to do to survive . As far as flaming the new participants , it should be done in such a fashion that does not discourage them to feel that they are a nuisance . The flame to a newcomer should be a polite not crass post to them that explains the unspoken rules instead of grabbing them by the balls and ripping them off . To all of the new comers , Do not feel discouraged by the opinions expressed in this digest . They are merely for discussion and insight . The flames that you will possibly get are from peopl who think that Soundgarden is one of the better bands . They fell strongly about their band and flame a lot when nonSG-likers come in and try to come in and ... destroy the image of the band . If you have an opinion you fell is relavent to the conversation at hand or is SG related , I as a fellow Gardener would like to say that you should submit it to the digest so that you can see how many people agree or disagree with you . As of late the motto seems to be " Post all you want , we'll flame more " so post it anyway . To BadMtrFngr , To facilitate the flow of new ideas , please try to refrain from telling people not to post to our glorious list . It is not polite . Would you like it if someone told you that the first day you posted ? I have looked at the previous digests and you have ... um .. uh ... pretty abnormal views ? So you should not tell others what to do . Other than that , post all you want . To Flamers with a Fresh pack of fuel , You can always use that fuel for good . I bid you all Happy Gardening , College Boy ------------------------------ From: X92DILLON@wmich.edu Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 8 Oct 1995 I'M NOT REAL SURE ABOUT HOW TO REPLY TO PEOPLE WHO POST ON THE NEWS LETTER BUT FOR THE GREEN REIVER QUESTION, THEY RELEASED TWO RECORDS DRY AS A BONE(1985 ?) AND REHAB DOLL(1987?). THEY CAN BE HAD ON A COMPOLATION ALBUM FROM SUBPOP OR SEPARATLY, THERE IS ALSO AN ORDER FORM INSIDE OF SUNNY DAY REAL EASTATES 'DIARY' THAT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THEY CAN DE ORDERED FROM. ALSO OF THE POINT BUT FOR ALL OF THE MINOR THREAT FANS OUT THERE(FOR THASE FUGAZI FANS OUT THERE BEFORE THERE WAS FUGAZI THERE WAS MINOR THREAT), LAST WEEKEND WHEN I WAS IN CHICAGO I FOUND A NEW? RELEASE FROM A SWISS RECORD COMPANY WITH BOTH 'MINOR THREAT' AND 'OUT OF STEP'. ITS 26 TRACKS FOR $11, NOT ON SALE, BE ON THE LOOK OUT FOR IT, WORTH ANY PENNY. P.S. GREEN RIVER INCLUDED MARK ARM(MUDHONEY), JEFF AMENT STONE GOSSARD (PEARL JAM, MOTHER LOVE BONE, TEMPLE OF THE DOG) AND I'LL CHECK LATER FOR THE REST. BY THE WAY FAVORITE SEATTLE LYRIC "AN OPEN MIND IS AN EMPTY MIND"-MARK ARM, GREEN RIVER ------------------------------ From: Milkman Subject: Re: Ben and Kurt Of what significance is this. Ben rules on bass. Only Noel Reading is better. So why mar his appearance by saying that? On Sun, 8 Oct 1995 MoonDruid@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 95-10-08 00:46:41 EDT, you write: > > >I read somewhere that Chris was not that close to Cobain. But Ben was. Ben > >had traveled with Nirvana as a roadie and back up bass player. > > Which makes me think Ben is on heroien once again. > > Moon Druid > ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Heh heh heh...FREE THE JUICE!!! Md, you're usually pretty cool, but i think the drummer for the local band i saw Saturday night (Fathom) summed up the situation very well. The frontman was asking the crowd how many thought oj was guilty or not guilty. The drummer yelled from behind his setup "how many people don't really give a fuck?". By the way, Fathom has covered "Fell on Black Days" before. Sorry seth, about the oj reference, but it seemed appropriate to me at the time. -j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Opinions on opinions Ok, Glenn. You and Chris Cornell are both men, but if i remember correctly the original comparison was an opinion on lyrics. Seems to me that whoever wrote the lyrics would have the most important opinion about their meaning. Not saying that other people's differing opinions are "wrong", but i think that if i wrote a song, i would be severely pissed if someone thought they had a better idea of the meaning than me. -j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: is CC Jesus' twin? Actually, i read an interview where CC said that he wrote JCP because he got sick of rock stars who had their pictures taken in that crucifix position. And considering JCP is on BMF, i think that would be a little of a contradiction. -j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re:  F Um, Daniel, you said that Offspring were ripoff artists...Um, if it wasn't for Offspring, "real" punk music would have never hit mainstream America. -j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Hi everyone! I'm back! I had a great weekend. I loved seeing my friends again. Anyway, I'll now be reading everyone's messages and thanks for not stuffing my mailbox! -Sara ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Subject: Re: >Howdy! > This has nothing to do with soundgarden, but I thought it was >really wierd, soI figure I'll tell you about it. About a year >ago >I had a dream. I went to my refrigerator and opened it. There >wasn't much in the frige, but there in the middle was a >carton of orange juice. Somehow in that dream sense that we all >have I knew that the O.J. was God. I had to take God with me >somewhere, so I want to get some twine to tie the carton on the >roof of my car(just try visuallizing this). When I came back the >Carton was gone and now God was a live baby rabbit and a can >opener. So the last thing that I remember is tying the rabbit and >can opener together. Kinda strange huh? Anyway I am new here and >I figured this would be a good way to introduce myself > Neil "Holy O.J." Atkinson >By the way I do think that Soundgarden Rocks, but then again so >does everyone else here, so I figured I would write what I >just did. Your right-your dream is weird! Welcome to the list! I'm kind of new here too, but it is a lot of fun and everyone is really nice. Talk to you later!-Sara P.S. Just don't do anything to get flamed!!! ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: suggestions, trading, lyrics I think we should all bow down and worship seth for making all this possible. Any one else agree? -j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: bow down and kiss seth's ring :) On Sun, 8 Oct 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > I think we should all bow down and worship seth for making all this > possible. Any one else agree? -j just remember: seth is our only link to planet soundgarden and their wonderful inhabitants :) all hail seth! all hail seth! all hail seth! ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Sara Louise Hoeck (Sara Hoeck) Subject: Re: Fwd: Foolish >Heh heh...just thought I'd forward this to y'all. Anyone have something to >say about this? > >Moon Druid >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: TRLOFTUS@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu >To: MoonDruid@aol.com >Date: 95-10-06 18:05:46 EDT > >I am not the dumbass who is wasting his money on america online. You >are stupid. I am doing this for free through college so I am not >paying a dime. You are fucking dipshit. You wish you had near the >intelligence that I had because if you did like me you wouldn't be >wasting your time on a useless mailing list where you here from the biggest >shitheads in the universe. These people need to get out and you are >one of them. You are probably some fat piece of white trash that has >an negative IQ score. If it wasn't for the fact that I have a >computer lab on this floor I probably would never use the internet >You must be one of those desperate people who need someone to talk >to so bad that you need the mail from hundreds of other losers like >yourself. I hope you grow up, get a life, and seek help but right >now you are a loser. I think this person is a moron who probably doesn't even know how to use a computer and another thing, I am doing this free through college, but even if I wasn't, I would have subscribed to this list. That's really all I can say. What a moron. -Sara ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Chris & Kurt Well, i read in yet another interview Chris saying that he didn't really know Kurt that well, but he respected his music. -j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Ben and Kurt Why is saying Ben is on Heroin marring him? -j ***************************************************************************** "Well i wake up, some dream i made up, no i guess its reality!!!" -"Plowed" by Sponge ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Re: Ben and Kurt In a message dated 95-10-08 19:41:37 EDT, mdevlin@ic.sunysb.edu (Milkman) writes: >Of what significance is this. Ben rules on bass. Only Noel Reading is >better. So why mar his appearance by saying that? Were you here earlier for the "Big veins" discussion. My theory was that he was on heroien. It's just an assumption, read the disclaimer below. Moon Druid DISCLAIMER : All things said by said druid do not reflect to opinions of the band, the unoficial Soundgarden home page, the official Soundgarden homepage, any druids still left over from ancient welsh times, or Susan Silvers. If you agree with them, they are my opinions. If you disagree, they are someone else's opinion. ------------------------------ From: Benjamin Jon Macqueen Subject: ripoffs Howdy, there seems to be a bit of conversation about supposed rip off bands, but it seems that some of us are getting a bit trivial. If we are going to nit-pick, then Led Zeppelin ripped off Jeff Beck, and everyone ripped off early Chicago blues. Just my two cents worth. Cheers - -Ben..... - -s9511466@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au ------------------------------ Subject: Re: bow down and kiss seth's ring :) From: seth > > I think we should all bow down and worship seth for making all this > > possible. Any one else agree? -j > > just remember: seth is our only link to planet soundgarden and > their wonderful inhabitants :) > > all hail seth! all hail seth! all hail seth! I will be passing the collection plate at the big get-together. Seriously though, the whole Soundgarden Web page/mailing list project is only possible because of people like you who contribute. This is YOUR mailing list, and it's YOUR Web page, not mine. seth ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 64] ***************************************