From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 22 Sep 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 00:46:57 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 22 Sep 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Re: matt and his skins All apologies Off the subject... CC, the great! -Reply Happy Birthday Ben and me Re: Off the subject... Black Hole Sun's Popularity... Re: Soundgarden question Re: Black Hole Sun's Popularity... what Jovica's weekly remarks Again The Discographies Black Hole Sun: The Second Gunman on the Grassy Knoll cc's wife SG Freaks Re: ALL OF YOU! Re: ALL OF YOU! Re: Black Hole Sun's Popularity... Re: Off the subject... Re: how i got into soundgarden flower disparaging remarks Re: Black Hole Sun: The Second Gunman on the Grassy Knoll Loud Love and Kev's mom? Need to know Re: matt and his skins Re: flower Re: Re: ALL OF YOU! and some in particular. More comment on MTV converts Soundgarden question: I forgot to add I'll probably get flamed for suggesting this, but..... Re: matt and his skins Re: In a nutshell... **RAMBLINGS** Re: I'll probably get flamed for suggesting this, but..... covers woops - a typing error Re: This one HAS to win Re: BHS's Popularity... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: matt and his skins At 12:18 AM 9/21/95 -0600, EJ Fry wrote: >Actually, 7/4 isnt TOO uncommon. Its found in a lot of music in fact. >Youre right, SG, like Dave Brubek, likes to experiment in freaky time >signatures. Matts kit isnt that big. I used to have a diagram of it >from Moder Drummer, but its been since lost. Sorry. > Which music are you referring to - I could only think of Dave Brubek for the 7/4 time signature, and I've come across 5/4 a lot, but 7/4 is not something I've seen much of at all? I can't remember the name of the piece from Dave Brubek, but he had one piece in 11/4 which was as bad as 7/4 for killing the time signature symmetry :) Thanks! - any specific (and preferably "common") examples of 7/4 music gratefully accepted! Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: ADAMSON RICHARD J Subject: All apologies Sorry to Chika. A case of mistaken identity. I won't go on to flame the person I intended to. See ya, RICH. ------------------------------ From: ADAMSON RICHARD J Subject: Off the subject... Does anyone else think that Jeff Buckley's album GRACE is one of the best things they have ever heard?!?! Has anyone seen him live? I missed him here in Sydney recently but he's coming back and I won't do it again. This may seem a little out of place (it is) but you guys should check out another fine writer and performer. RICH. P.S. If you (yes, you know who I'm talking about) were a little less patronising your mail would make a lot less people angry. But what fun would that be? ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Away we go... ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: GREAT DRUMMERS > > ** BRAD WILK From Rage Against The Machine: Ever hear "Township Rebellion" > Dear god, Jovica and I have agreed on something. Well, not the first time, if I recall correctly. Besides, I think that SG kicks ass. I believe you would agree, right? C'mon! I dare you to disagree! I double dare you, motherfucker! :-) [PF] ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Satur > Brad Wilk is solid. Hes better than a lot of other drummer out there. > Rage isnt hip hop by the way, in case youve never bothered to listen. Did I ever say that it is? It's just that the drummer beats rhythms like they are usually found in hip-hop music. The basic difference is that he is a real drummer and rappers use drum machines. Now, if tell me that RATM isn't rap and rock fusion then a tape I listen to right now, marked 'Rage Against The Machine' is obviously mislabelled. Jesus... Mellow out dudes, ok? I am really amazed at the amount of hostility on this list. Here's a news flash: not everyone in the world is out to get you! Ease the paranoia... ------------------------------ From: Tim Maus Subject: RE: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 18 Sep 1995 > Oh yeah for all of the people that think that SG is a so-so band , take the I don't think people who think SG is mediocre would bother to subscribe to a Soundgarden mailing list. ------------------------------ From: ThisRulz@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden is shit > If soundgarden is shit, how come they have so many fans????? I think you have a misunderstanding over the use of term 'shit'. :-) Anyway, number of the fans is certainly not a measure to go by. Just look at the charts... ------------------------------ From: "Michael V. Ledesma" Subject: SG Unplugged? > plus of course, those fabulous vocals by Chris...and i agree with those > who said that doing an unplugged would be like putting Ben in a > straightjacket...but then again who knows...knowing SG's great talent, > maybe they just could pull off this Unplugged thing? what dya think? Well, come to think of it, unplugged doesn't necessarily have to be mellow and subdued, Just look, for example, at... [VFX: Everybody on the list bows their head in bored unison] ALL: yeaaah... weeee knoooow... Pearl Jam. Right. Their unplugged kicked ass. I mean, you can actually mosh to it. ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: How I got into Soundgarden > Well...Seth gave us the honor of hearing his story...so let's talk about how > WE all got into Soundgarden!!! I got TOTD somewhere in late '91. It kicked major ass, and then some. I didn't know anything more about that dude that sang so incredibly, except that he was in a band named Soundgarden. Ok, I thought, I'll check 'em out if I get the chance (kinda hard to get not so popular music, living in Croatia). About half a year later I saw JCP video on MTV. Damn, this is some hard shit, I thought, not quite like TOTD. Eventually I managed to get a _bad_ copy of BMF (somewhere in '92.). Listened to it. Didn't like it. Too heavy. Shelved it for about half a year. Listened to it again, during a boredom attack. Developed an addiction. ------------------------------ From: ADAMSON RICHARD J Subject: Sorry - Pop music. > Anyway, my point was that there will be the inevitable indie backlash to > Soundgarden's success. I hear the cries of 'sell out' already. Well, you can't deny the radio-friendliness of songs like BHS or FOBD. There isn't a single song that's so easily acceptable to Joe Public on any of their previous albums. But, hey, if you ask me, making some money is truly not a crime, as long as you don't compromise your music. SG haven't done that, so far. Besides, they're getting older. You can't expect someone in their 30s to write 'Big Dumb Sex, pt.2' now, can you? > Any claims that SG have become more commercial are utter BULLSHIT! This It's not bullshit. It's a fact. I don't have any numbers, but I'm willing to bet that SU has sold more copies than all of their previous albums combined. I'm also willing to bet that 50% of people on this list first heard of, or gotten into SG _after_ the release of SU. > firstly implies that commercial music is bad. While many artists that have That implication is not valid. Occasionally, but, only occasionally, wide public stumbles upon something that is both musically good and acceptable to them, in other words, commercial. SU _is_ commercial. But, at the same time, SU is good. The meaning of the word commercial is marketable, that which is easy to sell. The word by itself doesn't carry any negative or positive bias. Bias is applied by people who do so to prove themselves worthy to their peers, who likewise buy into 'atlernative ethics' hype. Now, THAT'S bullshit. Wether some band sells millions or thousands albums should _not_ influence your linking or not liking of the band. The music should. The people who diss you with: 'Bah, that is commercial, I don't listen to that crap' have no idea what music is about. Their loss. > It your pissed off that SG are popular 'cause it's not cool to like them > anymore then you SUCK big time. My point exactly. ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: RE: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 18 Sep 1995 > What challenging drum songs have U2 ever recorded???? Actually, just yesterday, I was just thinking 'hm... nice drums' after hearing that Batman US single (Hold me, thrill me,...). Too bad they don't make that kind of music anymore (that particular song is over 3 years old). p.s. People, if you respond to my messages, _please_don't_ quote the entire message. It's comprised of responses to half a dozen unrelated messages. Quote only parts you replay to, please! - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Yeah. Me again... Sorry. ------------------------------ From: Kathryn Mercier Subject: drummers and black hole fans > over the fact that TWO of the fans that wrote in to discuss their > fanship, were MTV converts! Now, I won't get into the "who's a better > fan becuase who liked them longer" (even though it is a fun game to > play... eventually there is always SOMEONE who will blow your ass out of > the water), but I was starting to get bummed out on SG when Black Hole > Video came out. I thought they were being a little too heavily rotated. My thoughts at the time of MTV's BHS overkill: 'Shit, there goes a fine band, about to be slaughtered by teeny worshipers who'll ruin it all for me...' Eventually, I got over the fact that they suddenly became everyone's favourite. I learned to ignore it and not be bothered by it. [apologies to all teenagers on the list, no offence meant] > I DO remember seeing the Outshined video on Headbanger's Ball. About the Yeah. About 4-5 times over three years. The same amount as BHS in a single day. :-) > Would someone please write in and tell me about their neato "well I know > someone who met so-and-so" stories? And their first SG concert stories? > I love those. A net-friend of mine saw Ben in a diner in Seattle. She didn't bother him, though... ------------------------------ From: Avatar Subject: RE: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 18 Sep 1995 > > What challenging drum songs have U2 ever recorded???? > Can't think of any right now, but it would be fun if they'd do a cover of > Jesus Christ Pose, just to show us what they're made of! :) And, in return, SG could cover Lemon. ;-))))))))) ------------------------------ From: scsmeyri@ucsalf.ac.uk (stacy.meyrick) Subject: Still more things to say and maybe a little more time to say it. > Jovica Popovic? It's quite nice of you to inform me that it doesn't [VFX: Wakes up abruptly, jerks his head up from the keyboard] What? Umm... Yeah? Sorry. Dozed off for a minute. > mention anything about Pearl Jam playing on the Neil Young album, wanna > tell me how the fuck you know then? What magazine or channel have you > been viewing lately. It's nice to know people like you, they talk more I knew it about the time it was recorded, through the 'net, via Neil Young and Pearl Jam mailing lists. An informative bunch, let me tell you. I don't have MTV (not anymore, since they started scrambling the signal in Europe), and I don't care for it. Except for B&BH. I have MCM (Monte Carlo Music). Heaps better. And in french! :-) And I really don't remember when was the last time I learned something new from music press (not that we have any good music press in Croatia). > shit than I do. And yes, I do respect Neil Young for what he's done, > doesn't mean I have to like it, and I'm not telling you to, and I don't > think I ever did. Nope. You didn't. Neither have I. I just pointed out that his career was far from need of salvaging, as you, God knows why, suggested. p.s. Is it just me, or are you really trying to wage a war on the world? Lemme guess, Courtney Love is your idol? :-) ------------------------------ Subject: New input From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > I expect good things from: Seth, CWB, Carolyn (MF could that also stand for > My Friend ), EJFRY (soon to be star), The Meter Man (my savor), Little Joe, > Avatar, Stacy, Jovica, Blind (Justin) Dog, Moon (SP) Druid, Dark Man (you know > who you are) and all the rest of the SG freaks. Shit, I was going to pass this one up (I admit, I didn't study last night, I surfed the 'net!), but the teatcher called my name... So: > You have the wonderful opportunity to ask one - JUST ONE - question to our > boys. Now you may ask this question to an individual or to the band as a My question: Can I ask you 10 more questions? :-) No? That isn't valid? Damn. Ok. My _real_ question: Where do you guys see Soundgarden in 2, 5, 10 years? - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ From: Daniel Ladle Subject: CC, the great! -Reply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that even though Kim is awesome on the guitar and matt is even better on the drums, it IS Chris Cornell that first grabs your ears.. Don't attack me and flood me with hate mail now, but I do think he is something special when it comes to his vocal chords.. That boy can sing! He can yell so loud and high and not lose control.. Hell, I get better and better every day and impress my friends with my singing.. they ask me how I got so good and I tell them it's from trying to sing along with Cornell! Try it sometime (when no one is around to hear your chords tear and squeal!) and you will appreciate him even more.. P.S Jamie: Sorry if this was not along the lines you wanted.. ,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';, ,;';,anc11540@anc.ak.net,;';, ,;';, LoTEcH ,;';, ,;';, (Tom) ,;';, ,;';,www.ak.net/anc11540,;';, ,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';, <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I can manage to sing along on a few tracks, but the thing I want to mention most is how much Chris's guitar work has come along of late. You have to see them live to really appreciate it but he plays on every track now and he is still improving . I think he is going to become Super"music"man. Just my thoughts Dan ------------------------------ From: Daniel Ladle Subject: Happy Birthday Ben and me Dear all, Ok so I maybe a day or two out but it's my birthday tomorrow (the 22nd) so happy birthday Ben hope yours is as good as mine Dan ------------------------------ From: John D'Abreu Subject: Re: Off the subject... On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, ADAMSON RICHARD J wrote: > Does anyone else think that Jeff Buckley's album GRACE is one of the best > things they have ever heard?!?! Has anyone seen him live? I missed him here > in Sydney recently but he's coming back and I won't do it again. This may > seem a little out of place (it is) but you guys should check out another fine > writer and performer. > RICH. > P.S. If you (yes, you know who I'm talking about) were a little less > patronising your mail would make a lot less people angry. But what fun would > that be? > > Richard I just bought Grace yesterday and I *truly* haven't been the same since!!! I find myself *yearning* to hear it when I'm driving to uni, working in the office or on the telephone with friends. The album is so mesmerising! As you said one of the best things I have ever heard! Ever! I have never experienced listening to someone just let everything out and put so much into a song as Jeff does. You just can't help being taken by his performance. Did you get the live CD to? Or listen in on him Live at the Wireless on JJJ? Fuck hey. :) What can you say. :) I could only *imagine* how truly amazing his shows would be. Alas tomorrow tickets go on sale as you know no doubt Richard and I have arranged for three different friends to ring in as well as myself, I am *not* going to miss out, it is not an option. :> It was cool in that you put the subject title as "Off the subject" or even "Non SG" would suffice I think. Thanks for your post dude it was cool to be able to relate. Here's to Feburary. :) As for the people whom have heard not of Jeff Buckley, **BUY** the album Grace immediately if not sooner. :) The Stoo meister ------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Black Hole Sun's Popularity... Ok, here's a fifty million dollar question for you all: What made Black Hole Sun so popular? Now, I don't think that it was due to MTV - we don't get it here in Australia (thank heavens by the looks of things), yet it was a popular song... so, why? Is it just because it's slow(er)? I mean, on that basis, surely Limo Wreck would do all right? BHS still has the distortion, a strong guitar solo - Ben Shepard probably gets a bit bored on bass for most of the song (I reckon I could almost play most of it, though I'd come unstuck in the guitar solo :). So what makes it popular? The lyrics to BHS are great, but IMHO many people would not attempt to make any deep and meaningful breakdowns of the lyrics - hence the number of "obvious" songs around the place (based around love etc.etc.). So surely people (as a population) would be going "Hmmm... Black Hole Sun? Nice song, but what the [insert word appropriate to your explitive tolerance] are the lyrics about?" Any ideas? Was it marketing, was it a brilliant song, was it luck, was it all of the above? All replies welcome - all opinions respected. Jackhammer with flamethrower in backpack. PS> I got into BHS (and it still rates as my favourite Soundgarden song) because of the harmonies - musically, I think it's a very interesting song with its chord progression, suspended chords and powerful voice - lyrics never came into it... ------------------------------ From: Avatar Subject: Re: Soundgarden question On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Carolyn wrote: > On 19 September 1995, Jamie wrote: > >You have the wonderful opportunity to ask one - JUST ONE - question to our > >boys................................ > >I expect good things from: Seth, CWB, Carolyn (MF could that also stand for > >My Friend ), EJFRY (soon to be star), The Meter Man (my savor), Little Joe, > >Avatar, Stacy, Jovica, Blind (Justin) Dog, Moon (SP) Druid, Dark Man (you know > >who you are) and all the rest of the SG freaks. I missed the original post about this, but I'll do my best to think up something... A) Serious Question: "What bands would you say had the greatest influence on the development of the distinctive musical style that Soundgarden is famous for?" (I'll try not to get too deep...) B) "Other" Question: "You don't happen to have an autographed SOMMS/BadMotorFinger CD lying around here anywhere, do you?" Heh... I guess all of us who don't currently have one would be tempted to go for number two... *grin* > BTW, I guess Carolyn the mf could stand for anything! Originally it was C > the Music Freak, but MR UNKNOWN got me thinking when he asked the obvious: > does it mean mother fucker?? I wonder. Well, this time it's cheers from > Carolyn the Magical Fuck (I'll leave that up to your imagination.....) Very interesting interpretation there Carolyn... :) Have fun people... - - Avatar the MF with flamethrower. ------------------------------ From: Avatar Subject: Re: Black Hole Sun's Popularity... On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, John Grieves wrote: > Ok, here's a fifty million dollar question for you all: > > What made Black Hole Sun so popular? I think it was a combination of different things, there is no one feature of the song that really stands out from the rest, the whole thing is excellent! I myself liked the slower pace of the song, the wierd lyrics (which we have spoken about at length...) and (of coures) Chris' voice. The guitar throughout the song is also very interesting, it sounds more like a synthesiser the first few times you hear it... Kim's solo is also brilliant. The film clip was also pretty cool and surreal.. :) See ya.. - - Avatar. - Life is short, don't use Windows... - ------------------------------ From: Joe Okubo Subject: what What does SOMMS stand for anyway? It's a sick disc! ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Jovica's weekly remarks Away we go... ------------------------------ > Dear god, Jovica and I have agreed on something. >>Well, not the first time, if I recall correctly. Besides, I think that >>SG kicks ass. I believe you would agree, right? >>C'mon! I dare you to disagree! I double dare you, motherfucker! :-) [PF] No!!!!! I will not disagree with you.(this time) :) Clown ------------------------------ ------------------------------ >Well, you can't deny the radio-friendliness of songs like BHS or FOBD. >There isn't a single song that's so easily acceptable to Joe Public on >any of their previous albums. But, hey, if you ask me, making some money >is truly not a crime, as long as you don't compromise your music. SG >haven't done that, so far. Besides, they're getting older. You can't >expect someone in their 30s to write 'Big Dumb Sex, pt.2' now, can you? I don't think that BHS is exceedingly catchy, if it had been on the ultramega OK album I doubt it would have been a hit. The song wasn't even supposed to be a single, radio Dj's started playing it alot. Tdittl was supposed to be released after spoonman. Which I don't think is that radio friendly. Fobd is a funeral ballad so I don't think that one is that radio friendly either. When people say sellout I think they mean someone who writes an intentionaly "catchy" song. In other chris and co. are in the studio and chris says "Hey guys lets write a repetitive song where we say the same thing about 8 thousand times." and Kim would say "alright cut out 3/4 of the lyrics to bhs, just have 2 short verses and I'll do a bunch of silly unoriginal guitar posturing in the middle." Ben would say "I'll pick my bass of the floor and just wear my underpants like that flea fellow" then matt would say "we'll all smile during the song, and Kim, don't emminate any of that angry darkness from your guitar" In my opinion that would be selling out, doing appearances on letterman and shit, intentionally going out and making a song that will catch on instantly. So c'mon anyband that writes songs like tdittl and Fourth of July is not commercial. All there songs are great so if people like them so what they're not trying to become more marketable on purpose. Clown - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * _______________________________________________________________________________ There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or getting laid. - Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Again Jovica wrote, >My thoughts at the time of MTV's BHS overkill: 'Shit, there goes a fine >band, about to be slaughtered by teeny worshipers who'll ruin it all for >me...' Eventually, I got over the fact that they suddenly became >everyone's favourite. I learned to ignore it and not be bothered by it. >[apologies to all teenagers on the list, no offence meant] I have to disagree with you on this one, (big surprise) I lived with the biggest tenny boppers on earth last year in my college dorm, and I owned on of 3 copies of superunknown out of the 30 guys on my hall. Now there were about 25 copies of Live, Green Day, Pearl Jam you get the point. Secondly if I play Limo Wreck everyone on my hall is like who the fuck is this???. Chris Cornell who the hell is that? Now I believe my college campus is a prime example of Top 40 conformity I'd say about 90% of the people her listen to the same music. Pearl Jam, Phish, Dave Matthews, and Blues Traveler. Plus whatever is cool that week, even my housemates now are like but that song is popular it's good. I think they sold alot of records but the soundgarden fad is over, they still don't have the name recognition of Dave Matthews, especially in terms of band members names and stuff, and they sold 4x as many albums. Could the average teeny-bopper tell me who Kim Thayil is? I think not. Clown - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * _______________________________________________________________________________ There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or getting laid. - Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: swr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven Russell Jr.) Subject: The Discographies Hey List I've posted my updates for the SG discographies (Bootleg and regular) to alt.music.soundgarden Sorry I have to use the old address of junkgunf@aol.com but a.m.s isnt picked up on my Usenet thread here in Buffalo. Some of you (and you know who you are) please read the discog's...they are jam packed with tons and tons of "useful" information about the band. If you cant get the newsgroup....they are also posted at the Web Site. If you still cant get them....I can email them to you...but be WARNED...the discographies are now 52+ typed pages long. I had to break them down into 2 parts for each discog. "Sit down!...WALDO" Steven ------------------------------ From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: Black Hole Sun: The Second Gunman on the Grassy Knoll What was up with Black Hole Sun??? I can honestly say, I have no idea. I mean, Spoonman did warm everybody up for Superunknown (album), but prepare them for it??? No, not at all.... therefore, why did Black Hole Sun hit so big? Maybe it's just because it's such a trippy song... or maybe everyone on the planet decided that fresh, original music was OK to listen to for two months..... :) All I know is that, after BHS's slow death of overplayus maximus onthe radious, I was the only person in my area who still liked the song! :) Could the solution be there, somehow?? Glenn ------------------------------ From: Askairi Williams Subject: cc's wife Why is there all this dicussion over Chris's wife and her hotness ??? Chances are he chose her for the total package , and not by looks alone ( hell , she is managing their band ) . This just goes to show you that CC is a rather concerned , caring and realistic type of guy . In any case , what are all of the albums that SG have released ? College Boy ------------------------------ Subject: SG Freaks From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > Jovica wrote, >>My thoughts at the time of MTV's BHS overkill: 'Shit, there goes a fine >>band, about to be slaughtered by teeny worshipers who'll ruin it all for >>me...' Eventually, I got over the fact that they suddenly became >>everyone's favourite. I learned to ignore it and not be bothered by it. >>[apologies to all teenagers on the list, no offence meant] > Clown wrote, > I have to disagree with you on this one, (big surprise) I lived with the > biggest tenny boppers on earth last year in my college dorm, and I owned > .......... > this???. Chris Cornell who the hell is that? Now I believe my college > campus is a prime example of Top 40 conformity I'd say about 90% of the > people her listen to the same music. Pearl Jam, Phish, Dave Matthews, and > Blues Traveler. Plus whatever is cool that week, even my housemates now > are like but that song is popular it's good. I think they sold alot of > records but the soundgarden fad is over, they still don't have the name > recognition of Dave Matthews, especially in terms of band members names > and stuff, and they sold 4x as many albums. Could the average teeny-bopper > tell me who Kim Thayil is? I think not. Gentleman welcome to the real world of music. This type of thing has been going on since the beginning of time. I use to get really upset when I had followed a band for years, and then after they finally get one really big hit - every one who could turn on a radio, would become the biggest fan that ever walk the walk. That's why I joint this mailing list, I figured soon or later the fad followers would drop off and it would be left with a tight group of SG freaks. In a year from now how many of us do you think will still be here (that is if Seth doesn't drop us)? For that matter, don't you know by now which one's on the list are the long term SG followers. How many of our names can you come up with fast - got the picture. Lov Ya All - SG Freeeeaks Jamie ------------------------------ From: Michelle Scarrow Subject: Re: ALL OF YOU! On Tue, 21 Jun 1994, T.C. wrote: > > I would just like to say something to all the people who have been > to a Soundgarden concert, met any of the band members, or just have this > kind of access: > I HATE YOU! I have seen Soundgarden twice and both times were pitiful. The sound, the venues, the whole bit. The second show was when they were the second band of three opening up for Neil Young. Blues Traveller were first, but I was working so I missed them. Soundgarden came next, but I couldnt see much from the oposite end of the stadium and I was still wearing my work uniform (I was working at the stadium) so I still smelled like stale ice cream (if youve ever smelled old ice cream youll know how utterly wretched it I smelled) and so I could sense everyone around me recoiling in horror. (Whether they were or not I still SENSED it.) It was also obvious that Neil Young was the only one that night that got a sound check. Pearl Jam was the third band before Neil and even they sounded terrible. So you see it could be worse. You could have paid money to see them and got your hopes up and then been sadly dissapointed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. P.S. It was the first time I had seen CC without his luscious locks so I couldnt even make out his tiny figure on the stage half the time. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ALL OF YOU! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >So you see it could be worse. You could have paid money to see them and >got your hopes up and then been sadly dissapointed. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >M. > >P.S. It was the first time I had seen CC without his luscious locks so I >couldnt even make out his tiny figure on the stage half the time. > > Geee, Michelle -- talk about a downer, downer hell, that's lower than the dirt on a snakes belly. Better luck next time. It would work for me if I could be in the same breathing area as SG. Of course being the village idiot, what do I know. No, Clown this is not a flame at Michelle, I really do think it's sad when you have a bad experience at a concert - especial one with a band you like (my humor is just off today). Keep trying Michelle, Jamie ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Black Hole Sun's Popularity... I think that Black Hole Sun was so popular because it was an "alternative" to some of the other crap that was out there. Plus it is a fun trippy song, that a bunch of friends can drink and smoke weed to. I don't indulge in the introduction of mind altering substances to my body personally but I have some friends that do, and that was there favorite song to listen to while smoking and drinking. It's just a trippy song that's fun to sing along and listen to, it's almost anthem like. Clown _______________________________________________________________________________ There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or getting laid. - Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Off the subject... Who is Jeff Buckley? ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: how i got into soundgarden Ok, EJ, i'm not sure who that comment was directed towards, but i for one hold no prejudice against MTV converted Soundgarden fans. For some people, things like MTV are the only way they hear of music. So you can't say "you are not as good of a fan" simply because you heard of sg first. Even though the Flower EP was the first thing i heard, i'm sure Black Hole Sun helped a lot of people see the beauty of sg music. So don't rag on me. No, i haven't been in Seattle, but what does that matter? Anyway, sg fans unite, not fight. -j ------------------------------ From: 945818@utb.edu Subject: flower anybody know the lyrics to flower and beyond the wheel? they've been driving me nuts for a long time jennifer ------------------------------ From: 945818@utb.edu Subject: disparaging remarks i know i had made a few remarks a couple of days ago about being a true fanatic as opposed to ppl who only discovered superunknown. i had already apologized for them becuz i realized i was doing the same damn thing that was done to me. but give me a break, some ppl can't seem to let it go. i know i was wrong, and i totally apologize. just forget it and move on. in my book, anybody who digs soundgarden is cool. that's all i have to say. jennifer ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Black Hole Sun: The Second Gunman on the Grassy Knoll Well, i just liked the video for balck hole sun, because they grilled those dolls. -j ------------------------------ From: Michael Barnes Subject: Loud Love and Kev's mom? On the album Louder than Love, there is a song called Full on Kev's mom. Is this 'Kev's mom' a real person? Does anybody know the story behind this song? Happy SG listening!!! ***************************************************** Wooden Jesus, where are you from? Korea or Canada or maybe Taiwan I didn't know it was the holy land, But I believed from the minute the check left my hand ***************************************************** MichaelB@Humongous.com ------------------------------ From: anc11540@anc.ak.net (Tom C.) Subject: Need to know Could someone tell me if Kim Thayil DID indeed have a sex change? I hope I am wrong.. ,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';, ,;';,anc11540@anc.ak.net,;';, ,;';, LoTEcH ,;';, ,;';, (Tom) ,;';, ,;';,www.ak.net/anc11540,;';, ,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';, ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: matt and his skins "Year of the Parrot" by Primus, "Money" by Pink Floyd, uhhh.....yeah. I'm sure there's lots of others, I'dd have to go through my enitre music collection and figure them out, though. That would take an era of time. Dave Weckl plays a solo in 7/4 with this jazz trio, not Chick Corea, though. I forgot which CD, but its a bad ass raging solo in 7/4. On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, John Grieves wrote: > At 12:18 AM 9/21/95 -0600, EJ Fry wrote: > >Actually, 7/4 isnt TOO uncommon. Its found in a lot of music in fact. > >Youre right, SG, like Dave Brubek, likes to experiment in freaky time > >signatures. Matts kit isnt that big. I used to have a diagram of it > >from Moder Drummer, but its been since lost. Sorry. > > > Which music are you referring to - I could only think of Dave Brubek for the > 7/4 time signature, and I've come across 5/4 a lot, but 7/4 is not something > I've seen much of at all? I can't remember the name of the piece from Dave > Brubek, but he had one piece in 11/4 which was as bad as 7/4 for killing the > time signature symmetry :) > > Thanks! - any specific (and preferably "common") examples of 7/4 music > gratefully accepted! > > Jackhammer. > > ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: flower Jennifer, here are the lyrics to beyond the wheel, it's from memory som there might a mistake or two. However I have a photographic memory so I doubt it. Far beyond the Wheel Between the House and Home Their lies a churning storm Of hailing Buring Bones Tiny Baby Cries Little Tiny Pawn In the Profit Gain Tiny Baby Grows Mother Whose Your Man Is He doing What He Can To Make A Proper Home By overturning other Stones Father Mighty Man Loves His little Boys, Boys Shows Them How To Kill To Protect His Precious Stones, Stones Far Beyond The Wheel Steer your Life around, By Pounding Flesh and Blood Deep into The Ground Far Beyond The Wheel Steer your Life around By Pounding Flesh and Blood Deep into the Ground I may have forgetten a word or two, but this is basically it. If you listen to the version on Ultramega Ok after reading this. You'll understand all the words anyway, and can Put in the word or 2 I missed. Clown With Bazooka _______________________________________________________________________________ There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or getting laid. - Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Michelle Scarrow Subject: Re: Re: ALL OF YOU! and some in particular. On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > >So you see it could be worse. You could have paid money to see them and > >got your hopes up and then been sadly dissapointed. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >M. > > > >P.S. It was the first time I had seen CC without his luscious locks so I > >couldnt even make out his tiny figure on the stage half the time. > > > > > > Geee, Michelle -- talk about a downer, downer hell, that's lower than the dirt > on a snakes belly. Better luck next time. It would work for me if I could be > in the same breathing area as SG. Of course being the village idiot, what do I > know. No, Clown this is not a flame at Michelle, I really do think it's sad > when you have a bad experience at a concert - especial one with a band you like > (my humor is just off today). > > Keep trying Michelle, > Jamie > Dont any of you worry about me. I havent given up. When they come back (and believe me, I value the fact that they do come here) I will buy another ticket and try my luck again. I have no doubt SG is good live. In fact, I firmly believe they can be nothing less than perfect. I dont blame SG for how they sounded, either. I know better than that. It is just a shame that sometimes the hall or stadium was not meant for a show such that SG puts on. It was the darned engineers'and architects' fault who built the places with poor accoustics. And it's too bad that there arent enough good venues of the proper size for them to play in. That's why the shows I saw were dissapointing. I was not dissapointed in SG. Heck, Im still here, arent I? So, for the person in Alaska and the one who sent me the "for my eyes only" message, I am sorry if my attempt to look on the bright side of your unfortunate situations was misguided. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. P.S. Jamie, I have to admit my heart did skip a beat when I walked into the place. Those men have a presence even if you cant see or hear them. You just know theyre there. ------------------------------ From: Michelle Scarrow Subject: More comment on MTV converts In regards to the comment(s) about how it's OK if MTV or any other video shows are the means by which people get into SG; I have to agree wholeheartedly. In many ways video shows can be better than a radio station because most of the time radio stations are geared to a certain audience and therefore they play only certain forms of music. Video shows however, show different types of music. So if you listen to a radio station with any regularity or live in a place where the stations are limited in their scope, other types of new or different music can go unnoticed. If you flip the tv channels around to a video show the odds that youll hear something different than what youre used to are increased. And if it's the videos you disagree with, stare at the wall and listen to it like it is a multi-genre radio station. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Soundgarden question: I forgot to add Jamie - are you going to document all these Soundgarden questions that have been pouring in? I reckon it'd be a good idea to compile them into a single list of questions, and maybe, just maybe, one of these days someone out there just might be able to pass the list onto the band, or an interviewer of the band..............? What do you think, Seth? Would we have much of a chance with this? Jamie, it was your great idea. If you need some help in compiling the questions or want someone else to do it entirely, I'd be happy to. Let me know! Just me. Carolyn the Master Falterer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: I'll probably get flamed for suggesting this, but..... ...........I was thinking the other day (NO!!), about the unplugged idea for Soundgarden. At the time I was listening to Badmotorfinger (haven't stopped really since I got it), the song Slaves & Bulldozers. You know the bit towards the end where it goes quiet except for the shrieks of the guitar, and Chris sings in his gorgeous low voice "Every word I said is what I mean/Everything I gave is what I need/Everything I've held is what I feed/Everything I've shown is what I feel", well, I was thinking how wonderful his voice is when it's low like that and not screaming. DON'T get me wrong - I like his voice in all their songs. I just like it better when it sounds deeper & more relaxed. My mind started wandering to slowish songs I like. One of them is "The Rose" by Bette Midler. (YES every now & again I don't mind listening to other styles of music). ANYWAY, I was thinking how it'd be kinda cool to hear Chris singing that song. Does anyone agree with me, or am I going to get flamed for even thinking such rubbish, let alone writing about it? Then I thought of other songs that I would love to hear Soundgarden play a version of. There are lots of great songs out there that would become just that little bit better by having Chris' vocals, Matt's drumming, Ben' bass & Kim's guitar...................... What do you think? Any comments? (constructive ones only, please) Carolyn the Mystical Female ------------------------------ From: The End Subject: Re: matt and his skins According to EJ Fry: > > "Year of the Parrot" by Primus, "Money" by Pink Floyd, uhhh.....yeah. > Isn't "Money" in 6/4? Jesse - -- "Some outlaws live by the side of the lake, The minister's daughter in love with the snake, Who lives in a well by the side of the road, Wake up, girl! We're almost home." -Jim Morrison, "Celebration Of The Lizard" ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: In a nutshell... On Wed, 20 Sep 1995 MoonDruid@aol.com wrote: > For reasons beyond our control...Blind Dog said... > > >enough gushing from me. wheel in someone who can say what I mean :) > > I think that you mean this... > > MATT KICKS ASS!!! thanks for the backup, moondruid :) I couldn't have said it better myself. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: **RAMBLINGS** I. Question II. How i got into SG III. BHS IV. Susan Silver I. ** Question: If Soundgarden could record an album with any musician throughout history, who would it be and why? II. I'm sorry to say this, but i got into SG through MTV. BUT, it was when i saw Rusty Cage on the Headbanger's Ball. The thumping bassline and crunch chords immediatly caught my attention. And the rest is history. I'm a soundgarden freak, owning practically every studio piece they have released and some more. III. I still like BHS, but MTV and radio ruined it for me. I had a really bad experience w/ it also. I took a friend to see Soundgarden in Charlotte during the '94 tour. Basically, the only song he recognized during the entire show was BHS. And that goes for the crowd as well. There wasn't any crowd surfing till the show was almost over. Chris didn't say anything during the entire show. I think he was pissed. I would have been. IV. If some of you are wondering if Susan Silver is hot, you probably sit around social areas looking at girls' asses when they walk by because your dick rules your brain. Go ahead flame away... i don't give a shit. - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A LimoWreck j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "To die unsung would really bring you down" -Helmet "When they come to ethnically cleans me, will you speak out, will you defend me?" -Pop Will Eat Itself "I'm high as a kite and my teeth are green. Mary fuckin Christmas" -Dennis Leary ------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: I'll probably get flamed for suggesting this, but..... At 09:30 AM 9/22/95 +1000, Carolyn wrote: >Then I thought of other songs that I would love to hear Soundgarden play a >version of. There are lots of great songs out there that would become just >that little bit better by having Chris' vocals, Matt's drumming, Ben' bass & >Kim's guitar...................... > >What do you think? Any comments? (constructive ones only, please) > >Carolyn the Mystical Female Carolyn the Meticulous Flamethrower-resistent-female? Band covers are a great idea - the band can do them because they genuinely like the song or because they want to take the piss out of someone else (eg. Faith No More with Lionel Richie & The Commodores Easy and The Bee Gee's I Started A Joke) Putting the Soundgarden effect on a song would be very enjoyable - songs that I wouldn't mind hearing Soundgarden have a bash at would include AC/DC's Thunderstruck or You Shook Me All Night Long, As The Worm Turns from Faith No More or Something Happened on THe Way to Heaven from Phil Collins. These songs give me some pretty interesting visions of SG doing some interesting things :) Whaddya reckon, Kim Thayil doing Angus Young's hop across the stage whilst wearing a school uniform? Catchya round Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: covers on jackhammers thread of soundgarden doing covers, I'm always happy to hear bands doing covers. not that I'd want a whole album's worth (if it was their major release), but to hear bands reworking other musicians' work is always a pleasure for me. one of soundgarden's best bsides, imho, is their cover of jimi hendrix's hey babe from the stone free tribute, even though it is only chris and matt. if they were to take my requests on board, then I'd like to hear them do when the levee breaks by led zeppelin, just to see how matt would play the drums (quite seriously, everyone should make at least a token effort to hear this song. if you like matt, then you'll love what bonham does here). postman by living colour would also be interesting, as it is an almost facsimile of mailman, in that it deals with postal workers going berserk (perhaps you should keep your bazookas under tighter security clown :) and smashes it's way along with a HUGE riff. lastly, I'd like to see them do an old blues number, maybe something by john lee hooker or lightnin' hopkins, just to see if ben could drag his bass around to it. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: woops - a typing error Earlier today I wrote: >.......... At the time I was listening to Badmotorfinger (haven't stopped >really since I got it), the song Slaves & Bulldozers. You know the bit >towards the end where it goes quiet except for the shrieks of the guitar, >and Chris sings in his gorgeous low voice "Every word I said is what I >mean/Everything I gave is what I need/Everything I've held is what I >feed/Everything I've shown is what I feel", well,............ just thought I'd clarify (in case there are still some flame-throwers out there who wanted to point out the error of my ways), that I realise I should have said "Everything I've held is what I've freed" - just another case of my fingers going too fast for me to keep up with my brain (or is that the other way around?) eeeeeek! it's only friday morning and i need a coffee NOW......... bye from Carolyn the Major Frump ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: This one HAS to win On 21 September 1995, Clown wrote: > chris and co. are in the studio and chris says "Hey guys lets write a > repetitive song where we say the same thing about 8 thousand times." > and Kim would say "alright cut out 3/4 of the lyrics to bhs, just have > 2 short verses and I'll do a bunch of silly unoriginal guitar > posturing in the middle." Ben would say "I'll pick my bass of the > floor and just wear my underpants like that flea fellow" then matt > would say "we'll all smile during the song, and Kim, don't emminate > any of that angry darkness from your guitar".............. > Clown oh boy. THAT would just HAVE to win the "Funniest Paragraph of the Week" award. i do so love the way some postings to this list make me laugh. clown, you just made my otherwise boring day! Carolyn the Magnificent Funlover :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: BHS's Popularity... On 21 September 1995, Jackhammer wrote: >Ok, here's a fifty million dollar question for you all: >What made Black Hole Sun so popular?.................. >PS> I got into BHS (and it still rates as my favourite Soundgarden song) >because of the harmonies - musically, I think it's a very interesting song >with its chord progression, suspended chords and powerful voice - lyrics >never came into it... What a good question, Jackhammer! I must say I agree with you about the harmonies bit. It's one of my favourite sg songs, probably because it is slower (more like a ballad), and we can hear the true power of Chris' voice. I like the clarity. It seems I'm not alone in my liking for slower sg music, for Avatar wrote: >I myself liked the slower pace of the song, the wierd lyrics (which we >have spoken about at length...) and (of course) Chris' voice. And Clown wrote: >Plus it is a fun trippy song [and Glenn also used the word trippy in his response] >, that a bunch of friends can drink and smoke weed to. I don't indulge in the >introduction of mind altering substances to my body personally but I have some >friends that do, and that was there favorite song to listen to while smoking >and drinking. It's just a trippy song that's fun to sing along and listen to, >it's almost anthem like. I know what Clown means when he says it's a good smoking song. I also don't indulge in drugs (other than good 'ole alcohol) but find myself liking what I'd term as "druggy music" - laid back stuff. The Australian band called The Cruel Sea is the best example of this. Their lead singer, Tex Perkins, would have one of the deepest voices I've ever heard. Good stuff for your friends, Clown: you should try & get a copy of any of their albums (try for their latest called 'Three Legged Dog'). And I like Clown's point about Black Hole Sun being almost anthem like. I agree! Just me again [oh no you say] - Carolyn the Miracle Fairy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 53] ***************************************