From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 21 Sep 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:11:41 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 21 Sep 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html **listadmin note: Could this digest be any bigger? 59 messages today, folks. Happy reading. Today's Topics: Re: matt and his skins Re: First time stories -Reply How i got hooked... You all knew I do this!!!! Re: matt and his skins Re: First time stories -Reply Re: what a day The Soundgarden Experience Supermainsteam Re: But is SS hot???? READING FESTIVAL Re: I ask again: can you say anything constructive? Re: First time stories Re: matt and his skins Happy Birthday Ben ? a few comments re: new input Re: somms, of course Re: Soundgarden question Re: ? Supermotorfinger? Re: OK OK, My turn. Re: Kim's Education Re: Supermotorfinger? Re: Supermainsteam Web page address change Time signatures of Head Down and Limo Wreck hey everyone Re: Substance Abuse ALL OF YOU! CC, the great! Best Story Get Chris a Clorets! In a nutshell... One question? Hmmmmmm... Sue's not hot?!?! Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 20 Sep 1995 Moon Druid with flamethrower... Chris's hotty Re: Chris's hotty Re: CC, the great! Re: BackDoorMan, BlindDog Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 20 Sep 1995 Re: Soundgarden question RE: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 18 Sep 1995 Re: drummers and black hole fans Re: Imbodden & Frazier, but nothing about Soundgarden Re: How I got into SG Rocktropolis Page Re: New input Re: how i got into soundgarden Re: New input Re: matt and his skins Re: matt and his skins Re: ? Re: Supermotorfinger? Greetings. :> ------------------------------------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: matt and his skins > well, to follow seth's lead, I'm going to throw in my 2c on matt >cameron, and why I like his stuff. Me too - I have drummed in the past (but you wouldn't call me a drummer!), but I do notice drum lines pretty well before I take notice of the lyrics to any song. > for instance, take spoonman. the beat for this song is in a very >wierd time signature. now, I know that isn't a revelation for >soundgarden or their fans, but how many guys are there around who could >step onto the stage and play that song in front of a huge audience? Songs like Spoonman stuff me right up - it happens to be in 7/4 time (I think!), and the only other song I've come across that uses 7/4 is Dave Brubek's "Unsquare Dance" - it's guarenteed to stuff any musician's timing up! Other songs use some top rhythms too - Fell On Black Days would appear to be consecutive bars of 4/4 and 2/4 (the rhythm couldn't be described as 6/8 'cos the beats are grouped the wrong way - maybe 6/4?), My Wave is in 5/4 and those examples are from Superunknown alone! Sheesh, to follow those rhythms... Could someone (just out of interest) tell me the configuration of Matt's drum kit? Catchya Round! Jackhammer. And for heaven's sake, turn the flamethrowers down (or preferably off) - we're all starting to get burnt, not just the intended recipient! ------------------------------ From: Daniel Ladle Subject: Re: First time stories -Reply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 September 1995, Jamie wrote: >Hey, don't stop the first time stories, just read Steven's, good stuff. >Jamie Ditto to that. Keep 'em rolling in, everyone! I'm starting to feel like I'm getting to know you all just that little bit more.................. Oh, and someone wrote that they consider themselves "a true soundgarden fan" because they knew the band before anyone else did (or something to that effect). Well, I'm a fan too (a true one, I suppose? - it's true that I do like soundgarden!), but who gives a shit when you first got into a band? Being a true fan or not is just bullshit. It's often just a matter of luck to "discover" a band if they don't happen to have hit singles..............the person who wrote said she was given 3 Soundgarden CDs for her birthday - so if she'd never got that gift she probably wouldn't be a fan now. Like if I never hurt my knee I probably wouldn't be a fan now. It's all just fate, mate! :-) Now I don't even know what point I was trying to make up there. This was supposed to be a two-line message. Oh well {sigh} I'll leave that paragraph in because I know someone out there will agree with my way of thinking! Bye ~ Carolyn the My Friend.....? PS: Jamie: I'm THINKING of a question to ask the band..................but have patience! You've put the pressure on us, when you actually specified those of us you expected answers from - THE CHALLENGE IS ON, GUYS, COME ON!! {Well done, Back Door Man, for getting the ball rolling} PPS: Also to Jamie: I think the Is Susan hot? question was done in fun - not meant to be taken seriously. I'm sure Brian wasn't wanting to judge books by covers. After all, we on this list can ONLY judge each other by the book since we can't see any covers............which is probably not a bad thing! PPPS: So much for being a two-line message. My grandpa always tells me I have Verbal Diarrhoea so I guess that's the same when I write. :-( Sorrrrrry. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< What a good idea!! Why don't we start sending covers to check out, eg for those of us with scanners why not scan photos of ourselves and send them all to our Soundgarden pen pals. Cool huh? Dan ------------------------------ From: "Michael V. Ledesma" Subject: How i got hooked... well, seems, everyone is telling their story...I think it won't be fair if I don't tell mine..okey here it is.... it all started when I was watching these local bands in a local joint called Club Dredd...before the first band started its set..there was this usual background music...and the first thing that caught my attention was the lyrics and that screeching voice yelling "Yeah, I know what to do, I'm gonna (fuck..fuck) FUCK YOU!!" yeah, it was big dumb sex. It got to me so, I went to the jock and asked who's that you're playing? he said, "here take a look" since we had a mutual friend, (i go there regularly, after classes) i kinda asked him (my friend) to borrow the tape...after the show..so I recorded it while i listened to it..and hey! boy...I said "Hey, this band is cool....I'm also a sucker for vocals that reach those high notes... since I do vocals myself...that voice was fantastic! I listened to it almost everyday, even bringing my tape player to school. A year after..that same guy (the jock) said "hey mike, there's a new CD by Soundgarden" and off we went, and great after buying..I listened to it FULL BLAST...what really caught my attention was Rusty Cage, JCP and Slaves&Bulldozers... man! I noticed the maturity in the music they played... these guys are getting better and better....and since then I got hooked to SG.. well, that about it! (I'm still waiting for the new album (and the band) to come here in the Philippines..(btw, anyone here know where I can git a copy of Ultramega OK? I only have Louder than Love, BMF and Superunknown and some songs i recorded on tape when i watched the Lollapalooza tour (on MTV that is...) "So bleed your heart out, There's no more rides for free" --SOUNDGARDEN mayk ------------------------------ Subject: You all knew I do this!!!! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Happy Birthday, BEN May all your wish's and my fantasy's come true. Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: matt and his skins From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Jackhammer. > >And for heaven's sake, turn the flamethrowers down (or preferably off) - >we're all starting to get burnt, not just the intended recipient! > Could not agree with you more Jackhammer. It's OK to have opposing ideas, and to discuss them, but hell never going to freeze over with all the heat that's been happen in the last few days. If I wanted to read hate shit, I would just keep reading the Washington Post. Make Love not War (how's that for an over the hill saying) Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: First time stories -Reply From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >What a good idea!! Why don't we start sending covers to check out, eg >for those of us with scanners why not scan photos of ourselves and >send them all to our Soundgarden pen pals. > > Cool huh? > > Dan > What had lose the mystery and fantasy of what the person really looks like. Since I'm not big on the looks thing, I find that little bits and pieces that you reveal in your posting make your much more attractive. Don't you know that all the guys on this mailing list are FINE, HANDSOME HUNKS and the lady's, beautiful. No, your right to some degree, I did wonder at times what certain people look like. For one Seth, it's hard to worship our fearless listadmin without having his likeness before our humble eyes. Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: what a day From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >1. If you've read the newsgroup you'll notice that Hater! is going to >be playing a show in Seattle on September 23. With opening act Sweet 75 >which is Krist N. new band. Tapers....get a hold of me! > OK, where do I get the first plane to Seattle - God - Hater -, in person - this must be what heaven is like. If any of you are in Seattle and go to this show, PLEASE, PLEASE - tells us about it. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Daniel Ladle Subject: The Soundgarden Experience Dear all, I couldn't remember how I got into SG at first, but I was just reminded that I was actually introduced to them by Jane, a person who at the time was just a friend. She said she had a few tapes I might like to get my head round, so I borrowed them. The were Badmotorfinger, Ten by PJ and Temple Of The Dog. As is so often the case when listening to music I played them once while recording them, then left them for a few weeks. I do this so that when I go back to them I actually have heard the music and know some of it (it helps me get into albums). The album that hit me most was BMF of course and I couldn't wait for their next outgoing. After Superunknown came out I brought it immediately and didn't take it out of my tape player for months. Then I discovered that they had previous releases so I went about saving up to get them. Now I own Screaming Life\FOPP, Louder Than Love, Ultramega OK, Badmotorfinger and of course Superunknown. All on CD. I wouldnt part with any of them. Oh and by the way, Jane and myself have been going out with each other now for two years and five months so that shows you all what the power of positive music can do. Dan ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Supermainsteam I forgot to tell every one about Supermainstream. It seems like no one else has it so... Well, the cd is all the way back in my dorm room now but i will tell yall what i remember about it. First of all, the recording volume seriously sucks. Doesn't really sound like a bootleg, just like lo-fi production. The first song is "Stolen Prayer". I've already mentioned the song "Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey" which is Kim sorta stepping out of the darkness and playing some riffs which could be considered more classic rock than the dark he usually eminates. The last track is a hidden live track called "Communication Breakdown". Before the song Chris (I'm pretty sure that's his voice) says "In Chicago they said 'throw away all your led zeppelin recprds cuz soundgarden's here', well throw away all your soundgarden records, cuz kingdom come is here" Hope that is of significance to someone. I don't know about the question to ask the boys. I already know so much...Maybe how? I'm learning gutiar, and i've been trying to get the riff from "Fell on Black Days" right for about two months now...I've learned a few Sabbath riffs within that time frame. How did they get to be so good? Maybe that would be it. Oh, i know that Kim has a college degree, but anybody know from where, what kind of degree, and what was the degree in? Maybe i would ask Chris how he can develop these complex lyrics when he basically dropped out of high school? I'm in college and i can't match any of the early stuff! Well, later fellow loud lovers. -j "I sharpened my wits on a dead man's skull!" ------------------------------ From: jgarci01@kepler.poly.edu Subject: Re: But is SS hot???? hot means good looking, physically ------------------------------ From: Stuart Davies Subject: READING FESTIVAL I'm from Britain and I went to this year's Reading festival and have been damn near begging to get hold of a bootleg of SG's performance mainly for the Doors' cover(Waiting for the Sun).To Steven or anybody else out there e-mail me directly and we can work out some terms for a deal. Stuart Davies ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: I ask again: can you say anything constructive? On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, blind dog wrote: > just trying to set you straight, stacey. I mean, if you feel > that your opinion is equal to chris cornell's (with regard to > soundgarden music), then that kinda paints you as a pretty egotistical > sort of person. how could your opinion be more important to those of us > on this list than chris cornell's? I'd prefer to think that in > comparison to his ideas on lyrical meaning, *your's* become the > irrelevancy. Merely egotistical? I think it's damn near narcissistic. Blind Dog, you are definitely the man with the plan. I think that when God retires you'll take His place. BDM "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: First time stories On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Carolyn wrote: > PPS: Also to Jamie: I think the Is Susan hot? question was done in fun - > not meant to be taken seriously. I'm sure Brian wasn't wanting to judge > books by covers. After all, we on this list can ONLY judge each other by > the book since we can't see any covers............which is probably not a > bad thing! Brian lives next door to me. I asked him if he was thinking about stealing Chris' wife but he assured me that he wasn't. I still don't know why he was asking if she's hot, though. BDM "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Askairi Williams Why is there all this dicussion over Chris's wife and her hotness ??? Chances are he chose her for the total package , and not by looks alone ( hell , she is managing their band ) . This just goes to show you that CC is a rather concerned , caring and realistic type of guy . In any case , what are all of the albums that SG have released ? College Boy ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: matt and his skins On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, John Grieves wrote: > Songs like Spoonman stuff me right up - it happens to be in 7/4 time (I > think!), and the only other song I've come across that uses 7/4 is Dave Close! It's in 7/8. > Could someone (just out of interest) tell me the configuration of Matt's > drum kit? For Superunknown, Matt used a 6-piece DW kit finished in black. He's got a 24" kick and 12", 13", 14" and 16" toms in conventional depths. He's also got a 5.5"x14" snare that was custom made for him by Greg Keplinger. He plays Zildjian Z-Custom cymbals. BDM "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Happy Birthday Ben I would just like to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! To everyones favorite weird, low to the ground lyle lovett look alike bassist: Ben Shepherd may your bass never scrape the ground. Clown With Bazooka _______________________________________________________________________________ There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or getting laid. - Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: ? If I was to ask the members of soundgarden a question it would be if the really intended the title of Bad Motorfinger To be Bad Motherfucker? I know they wanted Louder than Love to be Louder than Fuck. Secondly what time signature is Limo Wreck and Head Down in? Clown _______________________________________________________________________________ There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or getting laid. - Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: joshua kenneth anderson Subject: a few comments Hey list!! I'm writing to comment on a few little statements first off I have to say that I take a little offense at people dissing others for not being what they think are "true Sg fanatics" I started liking Sg because of Black Hole Sun but now I like all of their songs, specifically Mailman, Drown Me, and My Wave. It doesn't matter how you came to liking Sg, just that you like them. About this drummer craze: I think Matt ranks up with some of the best drummers out there. Lars Ulrich is the best IMHO, along/w Vinnie Paul and Matt from gnr(i forget his last name) later "I know I'm headed for the bottom, but I'm riding you all the way!!" ------------------------------ Subject: re: new input From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) This is in reference to Jamesetta's post on what one question we would ask an individual of Soundgarden if given the chance. I would like to ask Chris Cornell his first impression of his favorite band, just like we are doing with Soundgarden. I think it would be real interesting to hear his response. nephend ------------------------------ Subject: Re: somms, of course From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) Saw your post. Real interested in the phone # of the store with the SOMMS cd. Please email me with the number if you can. Thanks in advance nephend@usa.pipeline.com ------------------------------ From: Michelle Scarrow Subject: Re: Soundgarden question On Wed, 20 Sep 1995 gstanway@you.wincom.net wrote: > Gasp!!! A fellow Canadian???? :) Where you at, Michelle???? > > Glenn > > Gasp!!! A fellow Canadian??? I am at the University of Waterloo in south western Ontario. Where are you, Glenn? I know how uncouth it is to not mention SG in a message so I will add the message I was going to send today. I have a question I would like to ask SG. (I am sure someone else can answer it, but it sure would be nice to ask them instead.) I cannot listen to Ultramega OK without driving myself nuts during the minute of silence at the end. Does any one know what they are saying? I know there are some obsenities, but those are easy to pick up on. I have ruined more of my hearing on these few words than I like to, so if someone can help me my ears would thank you. It would be great if someone could also tell me what that popping sound is. It is before they start talking, If I remember correctly. There are two of them, the first quieter than the other. I know I used to hear this sound a lot when I was a kid, but I was to young to know what it was. My dad used to be a guitar player and the band used to practice in our basement, so I am assuming it is a guitar or ampliphier sound. You must help me. I must recreate this sound. I love that sound. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: ? "Limo Wreck" is in 15/8. A friend of Kim's said that Motzart wrote songs in that rhythm. The intro to "Head Down" is also in 15. The body of the song follows a pattern: three bars of 4/4 and then one of 5/4. Then in the middle there are some bars of 6/8. BDM On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > If I was to ask the members of soundgarden a question it would be if the > really intended the title of Bad Motorfinger To be Bad Motherfucker? I know > they wanted Louder than Love to be Louder than Fuck. Secondly what time > signature is Limo Wreck and Head Down in? > Clown > _______________________________________________________________________________ > There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's > almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or > getting laid. > - Kim Thayil > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Supermotorfinger? I was at a Blockbuster Music store a couple of weeks ago. I saw a SG package called "Supermotorfinger." It looked like a two CD package (the last two albums, of course). Does anyone know if it has any unreleased tracks on it? I don't remember. To follow up on my earlier post concerning Matt's setup: For Badmotorfinger, Matt had a five-piece DW kit finished in Aztec gold. He used a 22" kick and 12", 13" and 16" toms in conventional depths. He had the same Keplinger snare. He played Zildjian K cymbals. Does anyone know if those mail order places on the SG homepage (CDs Now, etc.) are reputable? I've been itchin' to get me a copy of Motorvision but I don't know if I should send my credit card number over the line. And lastly.....I'll tell you how I got into SG. This will be short and sweet. A couple years ago, the band I was in wanted to cover "Outshined" and "Whole Lotta' Love." I was still listening to dance music at the time (God have mercy on my soul) so I had never heard them before. I picked up a copy of Badmotorfinger and Led Zeppelin 2. I must say that it only took a few days for those two bands to become my favorites. Since then, I've bought every SG album and EP they've officially released. I've got a couple of bootlegs on audio and video tape. I've got every Zeppelin release plus audio and video bootlegs to the stratosphere. Anyone interested in trades? BDM "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Michelle Scarrow Subject: Re: OK OK, My turn. On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > Michelle, you actually have watched Much Music? I thought i was the > only one. Funny you should say that, I though I was the only one not in tune with MTV. (Bad experience in Florida at Christmas doesnt count.) > i am now in love with the Rainbow Butt Monkeys and the Odds, two bands i > can't find any recordings from down here in the states. Well I cant really help you with the Rainbow Butt Monkeys yet because I know very little, except that they played here last week and I heard some good things. As far as the Odds, yes well theyve been Canada's darlings for a while now (we alternate between them and the Tragically Hip for radio air play). They have at least two albums, maybe more. The first (as far as I know) is my personal favourite and both are readily available in Canada. The first album, includes a song that was quite popular on the radio, called "I was fucking Wendy the night that Elvis died". (Of course that wasnt the radio version. On radio--and Much Music--the song became "I made love to Wendy...") > became a regular (dbs "Snowball). The selection seemed good to me and > RSVP usually showed videos you wouldn't see on MTV. OK, here's my Soundgarden input. Aparently, so SG said in an interview on MM, Canada was the first place that BMF went gold because MM played Jesus Christ Pose in regular rotation when it came out, ignoring the criticism about the "imagery". > completed a film class in high school. And the VJ's were more "real" > than the ones on MTV. Also i'm secretly in love with Suk Yin Lee (VJ), > but don't tell her, OK? Suk Yin kind of took the Canadian music watching public by storm when she appeared for the first time earlier this year. I dont know if you saw it, but she started her MM career in full Elvis costume--sideburns and sequins and all. The next day she wore a green wig, glasses, and tacky suit, so for the first two days no one actually knew what the new VJ even looked like. She also makes independent films that they show periodically. The only one I saw kept very much in character. Very weird indeed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. ------------------------------ From: Michelle Scarrow Subject: Re: Kim's Education On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > > Oh, i know that Kim has a college > degree, but anybody know from where, what kind of degree, and what was > the degree in? > > Hi again, I am really going home soon, so this is it for me today. I think I know about Kim's education. In an article from "Spin" about a year ago, Kim was said to have gone to the University of Washington and he got a degree in Philosophy. I have to check on that to be positive, but I'll let you know if I am wrong. Or maybe someone else can correct me. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: Supermotorfinger? >I was at a Blockbuster Music store a couple of weeks ago. I saw a SG >package called "Supermotorfinger." It looked like a two CD package (the >last two albums, of course). Does anyone know if it has any unreleased >tracks on it? I don't remember. BDM (& others listening), It has the Austrialian records (actually Polydor a sub of A&M) thus the Superunknown record has 'She Likes Suprises' as track 16. Also very slight packaging variations, mainly the colors & each cd itself has a different design. I got it as a collector's item & so I could have "SLS" on digi-disc. UnknMan... 'THIS IS MY... last exit.' & I'm sure I won't be missed )c: ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Re: Supermainsteam On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > "Communication Breakdown". Before the song Chris (I'm pretty sure that's > his voice) says "In Chicago they said 'throw away all your led zeppelin > recprds cuz soundgarden's here', well throw away all your soundgarden > records, cuz kingdom come is here" Hope that is of significance to > someone. It's very significant. And also VERY FUNNY! > be so good? Maybe that would be it. Oh, i know that Kim has a college > degree, but anybody know from where, what kind of degree, and what was > the degree in? Kim graduated from Evergreen State College (which is some liberal arts school around the Seattle area). Someone else beat me to the punch...but it was a degree in philosophy. > Maybe i would ask Chris how he can develop these complex > lyrics when he basically dropped out of high school? He never graduated from high school. I have no idea if he ever got his GED. But as far as I know....He only completed 9th grade. s ------------------------------ Subject: Web page address change From: seth I've moved almost everything on the Web pages to the Stargate server, which is much, much faster (and presumably less-trafficked) than MIT's server. You can still find the page at its old address, but all of the links (except the mailing list subscription form, which most of you probably won't need again) go to its new home. Since there are more graphics on the main page than anywhere else, though, it might be in your best interest to access the site by its new address, which is: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden This was just a mirror of the page at MIT for quite some time, but you will see that it now holds just about everything. If you encounter links that don't work, please let me know. And sorry, Jamie, but I didn't add a picture of myself. Maybe someday. seth ------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Time signatures of Head Down and Limo Wreck At 12:28 PM 9/20/95 EDT, ClownWithBazooka wrote: >If I was to ask the members of soundgarden a question it would be if the >really intended the title of Bad Motorfinger To be Bad Motherfucker? I know >they wanted Louder than Love to be Louder than Fuck. Secondly what time >signature is Limo Wreck and Head Down in? > Clown I could be off track (this is from memory and I haven't listened to either song a while), but I would suggest that Limo Wreck is in something like either 15/8 or consecutive bars of 12/8 and 3/8 or some such thing - it would make for a simple (?!?!) 6/8 time signature but after 12 beats, there are an extra three tagged on (another ploy to kill any symmetry in the time signature!) As for Head Down, it sounds like it's in 4/4 with the last couple of lines in a section swapping almost to a backbeat? Matt Cameron working his magic on drums again, but I would think it was 4/4 - I'm happy for someone to correct me though :) Catchya round Jackhammer ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: hey everyone Just thought I'd remind some of you that there's never a need to send a letter to someone on this list AND also copy it to the list. Because then the person will get it twice!! If you're replying to someone & you want the list to see the reply, just do a Reply To the whole list. In the Cause of Saving Email Space Carolyn the Mighty Fine ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Re: Substance Abuse In a message dated 95-09-18 21:08:23 EDT, toybox@email.unc.edu (Chicka Jackeen) writes: >Or maybe Ben just has big veins from all that hard work. Or maybe he >takes steroids. -j Naaaaaahhh....he's not using roids...too smart for that. Plus, he's too small. :) I dunno....leads me back to heroin......too bad... Moon Druid ------------------------------ From: anc11540@anc.ak.net (T.C.) Subject: ALL OF YOU! I would just like to say something to all the people who have been to a Soundgarden concert, met any of the band members, or just have this kind of access: I HATE YOU! I am stuck up here in Alaska and have NEVER even seen Soundgarden on TV except for blackhole sun on The Box.. I think I am going to have to order some video tapes.. maybe someone can tell me where??? ,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';, ,;';,anc11540@anc.ak.net,;';, ,;';, LoTEcH ,;';, ,;';, (Tom) ,;';, ,;';,www.ak.net/anc11540,;';, ,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';, ------------------------------ From: anc11540@anc.ak.net (T.C.) Subject: CC, the great! It seems to me that even though Kim is awesome on the guitar and matt is even better on the drums, it IS Chris Cornell that first grabs your ears.. Don't attack me and flood me with hate mail now, but I do think he is something special when it comes to his vocal chords.. That boy can sing! He can yell so loud and high and not lose control.. Hell, I get better and better every day and impress my friends with my singing.. they ask me how I got so good and I tell them it's from trying to sing along with Cornell! Try it sometime (when no one is around to hear your chords tear and squeal!) and you will appreciate him even more.. P.S Jamie: Sorry if this was not along the lines you wanted.. ,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';, ,;';,anc11540@anc.ak.net,;';, ,;';, LoTEcH ,;';, ,;';, (Tom) ,;';, ,;';,www.ak.net/anc11540,;';, ,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';,;';, ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Best Story For reasons beyond our control...Jamie with Flamethrower said... >Well I don't know about the rest of you, but so far Mike has got my vote for >the best first timer. That's how you should always remember your first taste >of a great band. I agree. Your story rocks. Moon Druid ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Get Chris a Clorets! Beyond the wheel...Stevie Jr. said... >Then they open up with "Searching with my good eye closed". Chris's voice >is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No damage that I can tell...or no use of more >vocal effects. I forgot...what happened to Chris? And, they can give his shots for that, if it's not severe. They do it to most singers all the time before they sing...to warm up the chords, keep them numb, and some other stuff....but I can't see Chris doing that (Face Pollution) Moon Druid ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: In a nutshell... For reasons beyond our control...Blind Dog said... >enough gushing from me. wheel in someone who can say what I mean :) I think that you mean this... MATT KICKS ASS!!! Moon Druid TT - Stonehenge! ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: One question? Hmmmmmm... For reasons beyond our control...Jamie said (damn, I gotta change this top line..) >You have the wonderful opportunity to ask one - JUST ONE - question to our >boys. >I expect good things from: Moon (SP) Druid Thanks!!! Okay...here's my question..... "Chris...I'm just a little bit curious here...but I have to say that your voice has always kicked ass since I ever heard you the first time...but I was totally surprised after I got Louder Than Love and heard your Robert Plant-ish screams. Just wondering...how did you change your voice to the higher singing voice, and what prompted you to change it?" There, that good enough for ya? Moon Druid ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Sue's not hot?!?! For reasons beyond our control...Brian said.... >I'll answer that for all of us. I went and looked up her picture in the >SG homepage under misc. My conclusion is (and I don't think it's a >matter of opinion) she is not "hot" by any means. Maybe it was a bad picture. >Can anyone tell me where to find a better one? But ultimately it doesn't >matter at all. I think it also shows that Chris isn't a total groupie "find the hottest woman in the crowd, bang her, and then decide." you know what I mean? In other words...Chris has some class. He found a woman that liked his lifestyle, and he decided to hang on to her. Moon Druid ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 20 Sep 1995 In need of a severe drug addiction...The Back Door Man said... >Matt is a right handed drummer. Why, >then, does he opt to play the slower, thicker songs (end of Rusty Cage, >Slaves & Bulldozers, etc.) with his LEFT hand on the hi-hat? Well, the way that *I* learned to play was with my left hand on the hat and my right on the skins...that allows for faster, quicker, and more precise snare beats, and for a song like S & B he would need to have access to the crash a lot easier. Moon Druid BTW - Isn't Slaves done with the ride and not the hi-hat? ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Moon Druid with flamethrower... For reasons beyond our control...Clown with Flamethrower said... >MoonDruid with Flamethrower WHOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!! FFFFFFFHHHHHHHH!!!! FFFFHHHHH!!! Flamethrowers!!! Moon Druid with Flamethrower ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Chris's hotty >Does anyone know anything about the band members' relationships? Does >Chris have a hot girlfriend? Please let me know. Just damn curious. Uhhhh...ya know Susan Silver? She's Chris's wife. Hey, Seth...is that a picture of Sue on their tour holding the dog/cat? Moon Druid ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Chris's hotty From: seth > Hey, Seth...is that a picture of Sue on their tour holding the dog/cat? I'm really not sure. The producer of the official Web page is supposedly going to call me tomorrow. I'll ask him and I'll pass on any information I get (I'm also supposed to be getting another large batch of images). seth ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: CC, the great! Agreed, T.C. Chris's vocals are plain amazing. The only reason i can do a reasonable job of imitating them is because of the voice projection training i got during two years of drama at high school. Anyone want to know the power of that, well, i wouldn't need a mic to address a room of about 600 people. Also trying going throught the entire alphabet w/out slurs 7 times in one breath. It takes training and practice. -j ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: BackDoorMan, BlindDog On 20 September 1995, Back Door Man wrote: >Blind Dog, you are definitely the man with the plan. >I think that when God retires you'll take His place. >BDM "The Man with the Plan". Hmmm. I like that phrase. Might have to be your new signature name, Blind Dog!! Carolyn the Messy Filly ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 20 Sep 1995 Parts of "S&B" are done on the hi-hat. Are you right handed? I think he does it just because he's a bad-ass. I wouldn't be suprised if he comes out on the next tour playing with his toes. What's this about "In need of a serious drug addiction?" I want you to know that I'm going through forced withdrawl from a 15-year crack habit. OK, maybe not. BTW, it's supposed to snow up north this weekend. I wonder if Chris likes snow. Can't you tell I'm REALLY tired and in no mood to study for my history exam on Friday? BDM On Wed, 20 Sep 1995 MoonDruid@aol.com wrote: > In need of a severe drug addiction...The Back Door Man said... > > >Matt is a right handed drummer. Why, > >then, does he opt to play the slower, thicker songs (end of Rusty Cage, > >Slaves & Bulldozers, etc.) with his LEFT hand on the hi-hat? > > Well, the way that *I* learned to play was with my left hand on the hat and > my right on the skins...that allows for faster, quicker, and more precise > snare beats, and for a song like S & B he would need to have access to the > crash a lot easier. > > Moon Druid > > BTW - Isn't Slaves done with the ride and not the hi-hat? > "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Soundgarden question On 19 September 1995, Jamie wrote: >You have the wonderful opportunity to ask one - JUST ONE - question to our >boys................................ >I expect good things from: Seth, CWB, Carolyn (MF could that also stand for >My Friend ), EJFRY (soon to be star), The Meter Man (my savor), Little Joe, >Avatar, Stacy, Jovica, Blind (Justin) Dog, Moon (SP) Druid, Dark Man (you know >who you are) and all the rest of the SG freaks. Okay. Here I go. Hope you don't mind the non-musical content of this question - it's quite different from the questions that have rolled in so far, being more of a personal one. I reckon it'd be interesting to ask ALL the band members this individually, just to see their varying answers: It is a dark, cold, wet & windy night, and you (i.e. Matt or Chris or Kim or Ben) are in an old mansion way out of town. The power is down but the fire is blazing, with flames throwing out enough light to see by. You and five other people are lounging near this fire, some on the floor and some on sofas, each with a glass of red wine in hand, feeling extremely relaxed after just having downed a delicious meal. You're in no hurry to go anywhere. The room is warm and cosy. All you can hear is the roaring of the fire, the pelting of the rain and the howling of the wind.......................... So the scene is set. You must now choose the characters. Which five famous people would you like in this room with you and what sort of things would you talk about? Is that good enough? Hope I lived up to your expectations, Jamie! BTW, I guess Carolyn the mf could stand for anything! Originally it was C the Music Freak, but MR UNKNOWN got me thinking when he asked the obvious: does it mean mother fucker?? I wonder. Well, this time it's cheers from Carolyn the Magical Fuck (I'll leave that up to your imagination.....) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: RE: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 18 Sep 1995 Sunday Bloody Sunday!!! Yeah, right. Just kidding. On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, LITTLE JOE wrote: > What challenging drum songs have U2 ever recorded???? > > > > ___________________________ > = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = > =========================== > > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: drummers and black hole fans There really wasnt an argument about drummers. We were just listing some of our faves. Its not futile to mention names that maybe nobody has heard from before, and get them interested in something they havent heard before. Have a great day. On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, Kathryn Mercier wrote: > I have to admit that I was pretty amazed after reading today's digest. > First of all, I agree that this "argument" on drummers is futile. > Entertaining, yes. But futile. I personally like Matt's style because > he has some kick ass fills and really cool off-timed beats. It's not > just that static boom-ba-boom-ba-boom. It's really hard to air-drum to. > > The other thing I feel, after reading the most recent digest, was suprise > over the fact that TWO of the fans that wrote in to discuss their > fanship, were MTV converts! Now, I won't get into the "who's a better > fan becuase who liked them longer" (even though it is a fun game to > play... eventually there is always SOMEONE who will blow your ass out of > the water), but I was starting to get bummed out on SG when Black Hole > Video came out. I thought they were being a little too heavily rotated. > I DO remember seeing the Outshined video on Headbanger's Ball. About the > same time that I saw the Man in a Box video (scared me shitless)... > Already then, too, was I a fan. It just all seems too clear how > influential MTV is. > > I DID just hear the Like Suicide acoustic version. Beautiful... I would > like to hear a SG unplugged. I loved Live's. FUCKING HATED Hole's, > loved Pearl Jam's, loved Nirvana's. I think that SG would do just fine. > I would give many a tooth to hear CC do "mind riot" again like he did at > the Greek Theatre in Berkeley last year. > > Would someone please write in and tell me about their neato "well I know > someone who met so-and-so" stories? And their first SG concert stories? > I love those. > > Love, Kate > oh, and can we please avoid lengthy discussions on the size of ANYONE's > veins? We seem to think that artist's lives are public domain a bit too > often. > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: Imbodden & Frazier, but nothing about Soundgarden Good point about fitting in w/the music. Although saying someone is better than Lars Ulrich doesnt mean much to me, I guess I get your point. Huzzah. DEWkid On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Raivo Hool wrote: > > Yeah, but with the execption of Rockenfield and Tommy Lee. You gotta be > > kidding--Queensryche and Motley Crue??? Plus who the hell is Tris > > Imboden and Chris Frazier? Not more hair rock band drummers who play > > Tama I hope. > > Rockenfield and Lee are talented players, you gotta admit, even if > you don't like their style, or the music they play (plus the Crue are > no longer hair rock and Queensryche never were). A drummers' > magazine, the name of which I can't remember, classified Lee superior > to Lars Ulrich and that says much to me. Rockenfield and Lee both fit > in their bands perfectly, and that's what counts, eh? > > Tris Imbodden and Chris Frazier did an amazing job on Steve Vai's > "Passion And Warfare". If you haven't checked it out yet, go for it. > > Err... Did I say a word about Soundgarden? (Well, there it was.) > > > > > > > RAITZ > > > I hide my dirty minutes under my dirty mattress > and they are making me itch. > My time is spilt milk. > > FNM, "Jizzlobber" > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: How I got into SG Well, I guess I heard Outshined on the radio. I said to myself, "Wow, who's this?" Went to the store and picked up a copy of Badmotorfinger. As we all know, it kicks much ass, and I ws hooked on SG ever since....isnt that a lovely little story? Please, no weeping. DEWDEWDEWSASS ------------------------------ From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: Rocktropolis Page I'd like to urge anyone who hasn't visited the Rocktropolis Soundgarden Page to do so as soon as possible. It really is an excellent piece of work, and there's some neat stuff on there, too (ie. Knights of the Soundtable info, and a supposed e-mail link to the band). Best wishes, Glenn ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: New input I'd ask my boy Matt how he got such total independence, and what would be the best excercises to help get it down like he does. On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > People, People, People! > > Let start a new topic - something about Soundgarden. Lets try this on: > > You have the wonderful opportunity to ask one - JUST ONE - question to our > boys. Now you may ask this question to an individual or to the band as a > whole. Wait -- don't go off half cocked, lets have some good in-depth > question. If you have looked at the Cornell interview (thanks to Justin) on > the best Web Page (Seth - yours is still the best), you know he doesn't like to > be asked about the meaning of a songs. So, ya gotta come up with something > better. > > I expect good things from: Seth, CWB, Carolyn (MF could that also stand for > My Friend ), EJFRY (soon to be star), The Meter Man (my savor), Little Joe, > Avatar, Stacy, Jovica, Blind (Justin) Dog, Moon (SP) Druid, Dark Man (you know > who you are) and all the rest of the SG freaks. > > BTW: I bet you people think I must not have a life, I'm always out here. No, > it's just that my mail server goes on line from 6:00am till I leave, usually > around 6:00pm. It's in my face all day. > > Jamie > > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: how i got into soundgarden Are you from Seattle? Did you go see them in local clubs? Are you better than people started to like them later on? My first CD was BMF, so I could say I liked them about the same time you started to! On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, Chicka Jackeen wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 1995 945818@utb.edu > > > I can truly say that i am a true sg fanatic cuz i like them before > anyone really knew of them. > Jennifer Garcia > > > > > Are you saying that these people who first heard of sg through black > hole sun can't truly say that they are a sg fanatic? Sorry, i've been in > the indie scene, and i'm plain tired of musical prejudice. Especially > between people who like the same band! thank you for your time. -j > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: New input That's a damn good question, Back door man On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, blind dog wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, The Back Door Man wrote: > > > Here's a good one for you, Jamie. Matt is a right handed drummer. Why, > > then, does he opt to play the slower, thicker songs (end of Rusty Cage, > > Slaves & Bulldozers, etc.) with his LEFT hand on the hi-hat? That's a > > does it make easier to do cymbal crashes? it would mix up my > rolls too much to start changing hands during songs :) > > > P.S.--Blind Dog, did you catch him doing that when you saw them Down Under? > > sorry back door man, my head was rocking around too much :) > > I could only see the music. that sounds kinda corny, but the way > they played that night, the music was like a physical force. you could > almost touch it. > > but then again, maybe I was just in awe :) > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: matt and his skins Actually, 7/4 isnt TOO uncommon. Its found in a lot of music in fact. Youre right, SG, like Dave Brubek, likes to experiment in freaky time signatures. Matts kit isnt that big. I used to have a diagram of it from Moder Drummer, but its been since lost. Sorry. On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, John Grieves wrote: > > well, to follow seth's lead, I'm going to throw in my 2c on matt > >cameron, and why I like his stuff. > > Me too - I have drummed in the past (but you wouldn't call me a drummer!), > but I do notice drum lines pretty well before I take notice of the lyrics to > any song. > > > for instance, take spoonman. the beat for this song is in a very > >wierd time signature. now, I know that isn't a revelation for > >soundgarden or their fans, but how many guys are there around who could > >step onto the stage and play that song in front of a huge audience? > > Songs like Spoonman stuff me right up - it happens to be in 7/4 time (I > think!), and the only other song I've come across that uses 7/4 is Dave > Brubek's "Unsquare Dance" - it's guarenteed to stuff any musician's timing > up! Other songs use some top rhythms too - Fell On Black Days would appear > to be consecutive bars of 4/4 and 2/4 (the rhythm couldn't be described as > 6/8 'cos the beats are grouped the wrong way - maybe 6/4?), My Wave is in > 5/4 and those examples are from Superunknown alone! Sheesh, to follow those > rhythms... > > Could someone (just out of interest) tell me the configuration of Matt's > drum kit? > > Catchya Round! > > Jackhammer. > > And for heaven's sake, turn the flamethrowers down (or preferably off) - > we're all starting to get burnt, not just the intended recipient! > > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: matt and his skins For Superunknown, Matt used two completely different kits by dw and his bud who makes snares for him, Keplinger. On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, The Back Door Man wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, John Grieves wrote: > > > Songs like Spoonman stuff me right up - it happens to be in 7/4 time (I > > think!), and the only other song I've come across that uses 7/4 is Dave > > Close! It's in 7/8. > > > Could someone (just out of interest) tell me the configuration of Matt's > > drum kit? > > For Superunknown, Matt used a 6-piece DW kit finished in black. > He's got a 24" kick and 12", 13", 14" and 16" toms in conventional > depths. He's also got a 5.5"x14" snare that was custom made for him > by Greg Keplinger. He plays Zildjian Z-Custom cymbals. > > BDM > > "'Cause I heard it in the wind > and I saw it in the sky. > And I thought it was the end > and I thought it was the 4th of July." > --C. Cornell > > > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: ? Limo Wreck is in 15/8. On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > If I was to ask the members of soundgarden a question it would be if the > really intended the title of Bad Motorfinger To be Bad Motherfucker? I know > they wanted Louder than Love to be Louder than Fuck. Secondly what time > signature is Limo Wreck and Head Down in? > Clown > _______________________________________________________________________________ > There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's > almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or > getting laid. > - Kim Thayil > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: Supermotorfinger? Zep bootlegs????? Let's trade em up!!! Do you have Bonzo's birthday party? On Wed, 20 Sep 1995, The Back Door Man wrote: > I was at a Blockbuster Music store a couple of weeks ago. I saw a SG > package called "Supermotorfinger." It looked like a two CD package (the > last two albums, of course). Does anyone know if it has any unreleased > tracks on it? I don't remember. > > To follow up on my earlier post concerning Matt's setup: > For Badmotorfinger, Matt had a five-piece DW kit finished in Aztec gold. > He used a 22" kick and 12", 13" and 16" toms in conventional depths. He > had the same Keplinger snare. He played Zildjian K cymbals. > > Does anyone know if those mail order places on the SG homepage (CDs Now, > etc.) are reputable? I've been itchin' to get me a copy of Motorvision > but I don't know if I should send my credit card number over the line. > > And lastly.....I'll tell you how I got into SG. This will be short and > sweet. A couple years ago, the band I was in wanted to cover "Outshined" > and "Whole Lotta' Love." I was still listening to dance music at the time > (God have mercy on my soul) so I had never heard them before. I picked up > a copy of Badmotorfinger and Led Zeppelin 2. I must say that it only took > a few days for those two bands to become my favorites. Since then, I've > bought every SG album and EP they've officially released. I've got a couple > of bootlegs on audio and video tape. I've got every Zeppelin release plus > audio and video bootlegs to the stratosphere. Anyone interested in > trades? > > BDM > > "'Cause I heard it in the wind > and I saw it in the sky. > And I thought it was the end > and I thought it was the 4th of July." > --C. Cornell > > > ------------------------------ From: John D'Abreu Subject: Greetings. :> Dear Gardners? Allow my first question to be what is the name of the this mailing list besides the obvious "Soundgarden mailing list"? For example I'm on the "Oceans" Pearl Jam mailing list named after the song. :> Alas I be known as Stoo, who resides in Perth, Western Australia. :> I came across this list through a posting on "Oceans". Indeed the only SG I have is Superunknown and their songs on the Singles soundtrack, needless to say I am an avid admirer of their material and intend on experiencing their previous albums as soon as possible. I was wondering if the SG song "Birth ritual" on the Singles soundtrack was from a previous album or soley for the soundtrack? I have heard a little of Bad Motorfinger but truly haven't heard enough of it to warrant an opinion. Alas I was wondering if people could post to me their *brief* descriptions of SG albums? I would appreciate it. A good friend of mine mentioned an SG album or compilation titled the brilliant palindrome "Satan oscillate my metallic sonatas". Could someone describe to me the material on this CD if it exists? Finally I was wondering just what is the current situation with SG? Are they touring? Recording? R&R? Someone on IRC told me she saw SG in a local Seattle newspaper posing in front of a statue of Lenin? She thought it was probably for a new album. Could anyone fill me in? I also heard that Soundgarden did some material on the "Basketball diaries soundtrack"? Could someone also shed some light on this please? Thanks for your time. Laters. :> Alive in the superunknown Stoo ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 52] ***************************************