From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 20 Sep 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:57:44 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 20 Sep 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: matt and his skins Re: But is SS hot???? Now it's my turn - getting into sg Re: But is SS hot???? drummers and black hole fans RE: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 18 Sep 1995 Re: But is SS hot???? Re: Sorry - Pop music. Re: your mail Still more things to say and maybe a little more time to say it. Re:Still more things to say and maybe a little more time to sa/k How I got into SG Re: How I got into SG CD Cellar Imbodden & Frazier, but nothing about Soundgarden to continue the thread.... New input New stuff update Re: Still more things to say and maybe a little more time to say it. It all started when... Re: New input Reading Festival how i got into soundgarden OK OK, My turn. 27.8.1995 yippee I'm in a good mood me again - Lipstick Killers Re: matt and his skins what a day Re: somms, of course I ask again: can you say anything constructive? Re: New input Re: First time stories Re: how i got into soundgarden Re: OK OK, My turn. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: brian arend lucas Does anyone know anything about the band members' relationships? Does Chris have a hot girlfriend? Please let me know. Just damn curious. ------------------------------ From: seth > Does anyone know anything about the band members' relationships? Does > Chris have a hot girlfriend? Please let me know. Just damn curious. Chris is married to Susan Silver, who is also Soundgarden's manager. seth ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: matt and his skins well, to follow seth's lead, I'm going to throw in my 2c on matt cameron, and why I like his stuff. matt, imho, is probably the best rock drummer going around at the moment. I say at the moment because I was over littlejoe's house yesterday, and we were listening to led zeppelin. and anyone who knows john bonham's drumming can vouch for me when I say that he must be one of the alltime best rock drummers the world has seen. anyway, back to soundgarden and matt (sorry seth :). his style is awfully hard to describe, simply because he can do *so* much with his kit and his sticks. he can play music that varies so much from song to song, and sometimes within the song itself, that he can't be categorised, or tallied, as he would say. what makes a drummer special for me (I have played a bit) is what he does in his rolls and fills. I'm sure that the teenage crowd might be happy to listen to 4/4 beat with no variation all day, but that doesn't work for me. so for matt, it is what he does on the beat, and often between the beats, which makes my head rock from side to side. his work is so cool, and moves easily from soft to hard. I'd argue that the basis for soundgarden's music is not melody, but the rhythm, and matt's drumming is what the rest of the guys play around. for instance, take spoonman. the beat for this song is in a very wierd time signature. now, I know that isn't a revelation for soundgarden or their fans, but how many guys are there around who could step onto the stage and play that song in front of a huge audience? maybe the easiest way (should I have started with this?) to describe him is to compare his songs to each other. maybe beyond the wheel with head down. or like suicide and fourth of july. or mind riot and my wave. but while he can play a lot of different ways (he is a fairly proficient jazz drummer too), he does have his own style. it is hard to describe (maybe because I listen to every beat he makes :), too hard for me. enough gushing from me. wheel in someone who can say what I mean :) ps. he writes a bunch of stuff too. pss. he is rated by ginger baker as one of the two coolest drummers around. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: But is SS hot???? On 19 September 1995, brian arend lucas wrote: >> Does anyone know anything about the band members' relationships? Does >> Chris have a hot girlfriend? Please let me know. Just damn curious. And Seth replied: >Chris is married to Susan Silver, who is also Soundgarden's manager. Ah, but Seth, you didn't elaborate on whether Susan Silver is "hot" or not!! I think that's what Brian really wanted to know.................. Carolyn the mf ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Now it's my turn - getting into sg Well, I reckon the last couple of days have given me more interesting reading than usual - with some of you writing about when/how you first "got into" Soundgarden. Good stuff! {but sorry that beautiful girl didn't move in next door, Moon Druid!!} Anyway, hope you don't mind but I'm going to add my piece.......... After my second serious knee injury from playing sport, which left me quite devastated because it meant missing out on a full season and not being able to run properly, not to mention the PAIN :-O :-( that went with it, I signed up with a local gym and started 'pumping weights' to keep the muscles around my knees strong. This was nearly two years ago. I thought I'd be getting into aerobics as soon as my knee was strong enough, but I found myself really having fun in the weights section of the gym. And I reckon as well as the fact that I find aerobics rather boring (not to mention I'm rather uncoordinated!), I liked the gym so much because the music played there was 'my kind of music'............ One particular guy there used to bring in his CDs to play, one of them being the Superunknown album. I'd already heard Black Hole Sun & had loved it, but once I realised Spoonman was on the same album I felt compelled to rush out & buy it for myself. And I just love the whole album. Since then I've joined this list, and have just ordered Badmotorfinger through the CD club I'm part of. Eventually I'll get Soundgarden's other albums. It just goes to show that what might seem a tragedy at the time (like me stuffing up my knee) can turn into something pretty cool. Because without that knee injury I wouldn't have joined the gym, wouldn't know the new friends I made there (especially Jamie, the guy who brought in his CDs - bless his gorgeous soul), and probably wouldn't now know that wonderful band called Soundgarden!! That's my story. Like it or lump it. :-) Carolyn the Music Freak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When I hand my love in I'll be done" "Save it, just keep it off my wave" "And my youth I pray to keep" **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: brian arend lucas Subject: Re: But is SS hot???? I'll answer that for all of us. I went and looked up her picture in the SG homepage under misc. My conclusion is (and I don't think it's a matter of opinion) she is not "hot" by any means. Maybe it was a bad picture. Can anyone tell me where to find a better one? But ultimately it doesn't matter at all. Thanks for the help in trying to get that clarified, Carolyn the mf. On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Carolyn wrote: > On 19 September 1995, brian arend lucas wrote: > >> Does anyone know anything about the band members' relationships? Does > >> Chris have a hot girlfriend? Please let me know. Just damn curious. > > And Seth replied: > >Chris is married to Susan Silver, who is also Soundgarden's manager. > > > Ah, but Seth, you didn't elaborate on whether Susan Silver is "hot" or not!! > I think that's what Brian really wanted to know.................. > > Carolyn the mf > > ------------------------------ From: Kathryn Mercier Subject: drummers and black hole fans I have to admit that I was pretty amazed after reading today's digest. First of all, I agree that this "argument" on drummers is futile. Entertaining, yes. But futile. I personally like Matt's style because he has some kick ass fills and really cool off-timed beats. It's not just that static boom-ba-boom-ba-boom. It's really hard to air-drum to. The other thing I feel, after reading the most recent digest, was suprise over the fact that TWO of the fans that wrote in to discuss their fanship, were MTV converts! Now, I won't get into the "who's a better fan becuase who liked them longer" (even though it is a fun game to play... eventually there is always SOMEONE who will blow your ass out of the water), but I was starting to get bummed out on SG when Black Hole Video came out. I thought they were being a little too heavily rotated. I DO remember seeing the Outshined video on Headbanger's Ball. About the same time that I saw the Man in a Box video (scared me shitless)... Already then, too, was I a fan. It just all seems too clear how influential MTV is. I DID just hear the Like Suicide acoustic version. Beautiful... I would like to hear a SG unplugged. I loved Live's. FUCKING HATED Hole's, loved Pearl Jam's, loved Nirvana's. I think that SG would do just fine. I would give many a tooth to hear CC do "mind riot" again like he did at the Greek Theatre in Berkeley last year. Would someone please write in and tell me about their neato "well I know someone who met so-and-so" stories? And their first SG concert stories? I love those. Love, Kate oh, and can we please avoid lengthy discussions on the size of ANYONE's veins? We seem to think that artist's lives are public domain a bit too often. ------------------------------ From: Avatar Subject: RE: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 18 Sep 1995 On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, LITTLE JOE wrote: > What challenging drum songs have U2 ever recorded???? > > ___________________________ > = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = > =========================== Can't think of any right now, but it would be fun if they'd do a cover of Jesus Christ Pose, just to show us what they're made of! :) Naah, it would sound wierd with Bono's voice... C'ya all... - - Avatar ------------------------------ Subject: Re: But is SS hot???? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >I'll answer that for all of us. I went and looked up her picture in the >SG homepage under misc. My conclusion is (and I don't think it's a >matter of opinion) she is not "hot" by any means. Maybe it was a bad picture. >Can anyone tell me where to find a better one? But ultimately it doesn't >matter at all. Give me a break, you are going to say that Susan is not hot just because of a picture. Hey, she captured Chris's heard, she manages one of the greatest bands, she has a job in the wonderful world of rock n' roll, etc, etc. Hot, does not mean you look good in a picture. I had to listen to some of you rag on Ben's looks, now your going to start on Susan. Shit, people get pass the surface. People have been talking about how they got into SG, well I notices them for the first time when I saw the JCP video. Did I like them because of the music - NO. All I could see was Chris and how much he looked like thist guy I was engaged to. This man was a SOB, that try to kill me and then made my life a living hell for two years by following me around. Point, I still think Chris is one hot guy, based on his talents not just his looks. I be willing to bet Susan is one fine lady, who could cook any guy on this list bacon in a HOT MINUTE. Sorry, about this posting, I really get rack over people forming likes and dislikes on looks, and no I don't look like the wicked witch of the west. I consider myself average with a great part of ............. eyes (gotch'). Jamie ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Sorry - Pop music. On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, ADAMSON RICHARD J wrote: > This is a bloody SG list. The dickhead did it for effect. Chicka - LABEL'S > SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Ok, label's suck. But what are you talking about? -j ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: your mail On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, brian arend lucas wrote: > Does anyone know anything about the band members' relationships? Does > Chris have a hot girlfriend? Please let me know. Just damn curious. > Chris is married. ------------------------------ From: scsmeyri@ucsalf.ac.uk (stacy.meyrick) Subject: Still more things to say and maybe a little more time to say it. Okay - Well, many of you took some offence at my last mail. Foo Fighters is one of the worst crap-ass bands? Is that like saying you don't like them? MTV driven idiots? Never said any of you were. However, it would appear, and I suppose you'd have to hear it from your "messiah" that the popularity of Soundgarden actually doubled from the release of the Black Hole Sun video. But I'm not saying anybody is an MTV idiot, why would I do that? Fuck you bitch? Hey, you certainly went to school, EJ Fry. I didn't judge you, wouldn't dream of it. I mean, a few people say that I'm categorising, that ain't true, of the mail that I read, over 200 pieces, all I heard was MTV, MTV, MTV ... I think you know what I mean. Blind Dog? Man, you are my fucking hero, I just love the way you put a dot after your numbers, and tabs as well, you don't mind if I use it a while do you, okay ... 1. I consider my opinion to be as important as any other, and yes, that includes Chris Cornell. And if it wasn't interesting then you wouldn't have replied to it, would you? 2. Are you saying that Pearl Jam are not comercial? I find that hard to believe. Do you know how many people bought the Neil Young album solely on the fact that Pearl Jam were playing? Do you not consider playing live, on the MTV awards of all places, "keep on rocking in the free world", a comercial move, I mean, do you really belive that Neil Young would have got on there on his own. 3. How can you say a band is more talented than another, all bands have pro's and con's, as well as different styles and ideas. Talent cannot be measured, and if you could show me how, I would be greatly interested. 4. I never intended to offend anyone with my last mail, if I did then I apologise, I intended to say what I felt, of which I still stand by. Soundgarden and Chili Peppers? I don't suppose it's possible to like both then? I don't even think it's worth the argument so I'll leave it there. Pearl Jam? I don't hate Pearl Jam, I've got most of their albums and singles, I think they're a good band, I just wonder where their music's going. ClownWithBazooka? Okay, you think Soundgarden are the four best musicians in the world? I think that's a bit childish myself. First off, Matt is a good drummer, I know, I play drums myself. Have you ever heard any others Clown, how about Buddy Rich, John Bonham, Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchall, Lars Ulrich ... Do you need more? Chris, I agree a fantastic vocalist but how about Eddie Vedder, Gary Stringer, Robert Plant, Bono, Layne Staley. Kim, fine guitarist, what about Tom Morello, Mike McCready, Jimmy Page, Joe Perry, Marty Freidman. I'm getting bored now, so I think you see the picture. Don't talk shit, dear, it won't do your reputation any good. I'll apologise for offending you in advance. Jovica Popovic? It's quite nice of you to inform me that it doesn't mention anything about Pearl Jam playing on the Neil Young album, wanna tell me how the fuck you know then? What magazine or channel have you been viewing lately. It's nice to know people like you, they talk more shit than I do. And yes, I do respect Neil Young for what he's done, doesn't mean I have to like it, and I'm not telling you to, and I don't think I ever did. Ace of Base? WILLIAAJ, I think you're ability to tell me the sort of music I like through what I type is nothing short of wank. I'll apologise for that in advance as well. Back to reason, I too agree that the acoustic version of Like Suicide is mighty fine. Anybody heard Kyle Petty, Son of Richard, that too is mighty fine. ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re:Still more things to say and maybe a little more time to sa/k >ClownWithBazooka? Okay, you think Soundgarden are the four best > musicians in the world? I think that's a bit childish myself. First > off, Matt is a good drummer, I know, I play drums myself. Have you ever > heard any others Clown, how about Buddy Rich, John Bonham, Ginger Baker, > Mitch Mitchall, Lars Ulrich ... Do you need more? Chris, I agree a > fantastic vocalist but how about Eddie Vedder, Gary Stringer, Robert > Plant, Bono, Layne Staley. Kim, fine guitarist, what about Tom Morello, > Mike McCready, Jimmy Page, Joe Perry, Marty Freidman. I'm getting > bored now, so I think you see the picture. Don't talk shit, dear, it > won't do your reputation any good. I'll apologise for offending you in > advance. First of the all, I believe my exact quote was "the four best musicians in one band" Second I think Chris is the best rock vocalist, point blank. With Bono, and Layne Staley coming in a extremely close second. Third of all Matt and Lars Ulrich is not in his league John Bonham is, but I never heard Bonham play jesus christ pose, or any jazz music. Matt drums for a "advant garde" Jazz trumpeter in Seattle. He can can play the hell out of damn near anything. Secondly When you have guitar talent into the fucking stratosphere like Tom Morello , Jimmy and Kim there is no telling who is better. But they all have they're own style, i don't think anyone can rip the chords of darkness from the depths of hades, on songs like Beyond the Wheel better than Kim. But I don't see Kim doing some of Tom Morello's Guitar tricks. Secondly I only liked McCready's guitar playing on Mad Season's Album. But I don't think he's in Kim, Tom and Jimmy's League. So in the future when you critisise what I say please remember not to construe my words. I never said the guy's in Soundgarden were the 4 best Musicians in the world. I said the the were most uniquely talented Musicians in the same band. They may be guys better in one aspect or 2 but not in the same band. Lastly don't ever call me dear, thats a privelege reserved for my Mother and my Girlfriend. Clown With Bazooka. P.S. With all the flaming on this list, I think that we should all have the prefix with flamethrower after our names. Clown With Flamethrower, MoonDruid with Flamethrower, Blind Dog with Flamethrower, Little Joe With Flamethrower, Jamie with Flamethrower, etc etc.. you get the point. _______________________________________________________________________________ There's something about screaming fuck at the top of your lungs that's almost universal. It's a lot more common need than getting high or getting laid. - Kim Thayil _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: mike@treas02.attmail.com (mike) Subject: How I got into SG Hey, Here's my 'How I got into SG story'. I was a sophmore at Rutgers University. I guess it was around '89 but I'm not sure. I lived in the dorms. One of my newer friends said that he had something that I had to listen to. He said "These guys are the next Led Zeppelin". So I checked it out. It was an Ultramega OK cassette. I thought it was good but... sometime later we found out that Soundgarden was playing a FREE show at the NYU Student Center (Loeb Student Center?) so we went. WOW. Great big crowd squashed into this small room. everyone jammed together but totally mellow. I was used to anthrax and overkill shows where dudes climb on your head. I was wasted and lovin it! It was one of the best crowd scenes ever and still is to this day. Anyway, at the end of the show Chris Cornell bashed a hole in the student center wall with his mic stand. He had it upside down and was just bashin this huge hole in the wall! It was great! [I once saw a Kim Thayil quote in the East Coast Rocker that said they generally like to go out and break something that isn't theirs!] Then some roadies or managers or something came on stage and led the band off. They were like breaking everything and were too dazed or something to stop. That was all it took. Been Hooked ever since. I'm not even sure who was playing bass at that time! (anyone have any ideas? Jason Everman?) Just recounting the story has really wound me up! Peace! Mike ------------------------------ Subject: Re: How I got into SG From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Hey, >Here's my 'How I got into SG story'. I was a sophmore at Rutgers University. I >Mike > Well I don't know about the rest of you, but so far Mike has got my vote for the best first timer. That's how you should always remember your first taste of a great band. Jamie ------------------------------ From: "Si tu pouvais savoir..." Subject: CD Cellar I was thinking of getting something from CD Cellar and wanted to see if anyone had gotten stuff from them before. If you have, were there any problems? I remember someone posting on the newsgroup about getting burned by some mail order place, but I don't remember which one it was. Before I send any money, I want to make sure I'm not getting taken. ------------------------------ From: "Raivo Hool" Subject: Imbodden & Frazier, but nothing about Soundgarden > Yeah, but with the execption of Rockenfield and Tommy Lee. You gotta be > kidding--Queensryche and Motley Crue??? Plus who the hell is Tris > Imboden and Chris Frazier? Not more hair rock band drummers who play > Tama I hope. Rockenfield and Lee are talented players, you gotta admit, even if you don't like their style, or the music they play (plus the Crue are no longer hair rock and Queensryche never were). A drummers' magazine, the name of which I can't remember, classified Lee superior to Lars Ulrich and that says much to me. Rockenfield and Lee both fit in their bands perfectly, and that's what counts, eh? Tris Imbodden and Chris Frazier did an amazing job on Steve Vai's "Passion And Warfare". If you haven't checked it out yet, go for it. Err... Did I say a word about Soundgarden? (Well, there it was.) RAITZ I hide my dirty minutes under my dirty mattress and they are making me itch. My time is spilt milk. FNM, "Jizzlobber" ------------------------------ From: swr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven Russell Jr.) Subject: to continue the thread.... Well, since everybody is doing there "how I got into soundgarden" stories I figured I'd waste some people's disc space and tell you my story. A friend of mine mentioned that Robert Plant (my idol at the time) spoke highly of a band called Soundgarden during some magazine article. Mr. Plant mentioned that he really enjoyed the singer of Soundgarden. So I figured if Mr. Plant liked this band I'd never heard of...I'd give it a listen. I went down to the local record store one day just to look around and take a look at the CD cover. There it was....In the "No Risk" section of the record store for $11.98 CD. The album cover really caught my attention. There was Chris in the midst of a full "hair shot" with those blurred images everywhere. (Classic Charles Peterson photography). Notice those open beer bottles in the lower left of the cover. I believe one of them is Beck's. I didn't have any money at the time...but I figured I'd buy it soon. Well, during my farewell trip to Ohio University (where I was a small time college radio dj) to pick up some boxes that I had left behind. I stopped at Schoolkids Records on Court St. It was also "on sale" there. So I picked it up...raced over to my friends house and put it in the CD player. I had seen the video for "Loud Love" on Headbanger's Ball...so I knew what I was getting into...First song: "Ugly Truth"....The drum part sounds so much like Led Zep's "When the Levee Breaks"! But it wasn't stealing Zep's sound (like the band Kingdom Come and a whole bunch of other shitty metal bands in the late 80's)...it was modifying it and taking it to another level. Then that Voice! I'm a sucker for anyone that can hit the high notes with any control. I was totally blown away by the "scream" and the control! "If you were mine to give - I might throw it away" I listened to it in its entirely and figured there were 5-6 great songs on it. but they reminded me so much of black sabbath and the cult that I didn't give it a proper listen. I just listened to the same songs (Ugly Truth, Hands all Over, Loud Love, Gun, I Awake) for the next two years. I thought they were a great up and coming band...but I wasn't a 100% fan. I was more into Alice in Chains, Nirvana (yup, I heard Bleach before Nevermind was ever released), Mother Love Bone and Mudhoney. Then came the day in 1991 that I'll never forget. I didn't have any money at the time...but a friend went out and purchased Badmotorfinger the day it was released. He was going somewhere for a couple days...so I asked if I could borrow Badmofi to give it a listen. I was overwhelmed. I listened to Badmofi 18! times (in its entirety) in 4 days! I was hooked on Jesus Christ Pose! (and every other song on the disc.) It was an update of the Byrds "8 Miles High" done 90's style. I've never heard anyone else make the comparison between the two songs...but they are similar. The title of the first 2:00 of JCP should of been "Alex descends into Hell for a bottle of milk" (a prize to anyone that can figure out which movie/score reference I'm referring to). The next week I went out and purchased Badmofi (on sale of course) along with a special bonus....I finally picked up Nirvana's Nevermind that day (It was on sale also in the "No Risk" section for $10.88)....Since I live in a relatively rural area which is so backwards musically its sort of sick....anyway...nobody had heard of Nirvana before or actually bought the CD...So I was able to purchase one of the first 40,000 CD copies without the song (Endless, Nameless) a full month after it's initial release date. Next up: my first SG concert experience. Steven ------------------------------ Subject: New input From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) People, People, People! Let start a new topic - something about Soundgarden. Lets try this on: You have the wonderful opportunity to ask one - JUST ONE - question to our boys. Now you may ask this question to an individual or to the band as a whole. Wait -- don't go off half cocked, lets have some good in-depth question. If you have looked at the Cornell interview (thanks to Justin) on the best Web Page (Seth - yours is still the best), you know he doesn't like to be asked about the meaning of a songs. So, ya gotta come up with something better. I expect good things from: Seth, CWB, Carolyn (MF could that also stand for My Friend ), EJFRY (soon to be star), The Meter Man (my savor), Little Joe, Avatar, Stacy, Jovica, Blind (Justin) Dog, Moon (SP) Druid, Dark Man (you know who you are) and all the rest of the SG freaks. BTW: I bet you people think I must not have a life, I'm always out here. No, it's just that my mail server goes on line from 6:00am till I leave, usually around 6:00pm. It's in my face all day. Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: New stuff update From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Hey, don't stop the first time stories, just read Steven's, good stuff. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: Still more things to say and maybe a little more time to say it. Yes, Kyle Petty, Son of Richard is mighty fine. One of Soundgarden's many intricate songs that sounds like barbaric noise and heaven in the same note. Thank you, Kim, Chris, Ben, & Matt. -j ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: It all started when... Throughout 1991 I commuted between New York and the West Coast to visit my drummer boyfriend in Los Angeles. He was a dedicated Matt Cameron admirer. Well, drummer-boy dumped me, so I was obligated to take his favorite CD -- Badmotorfinger -- for spite. I've since gotten over the lost romance, but haven't been able to shake my passion for SG. Aw. Vikki ------------------------------ From: The Back Door Man Subject: Re: New input Here's a good one for you, Jamie. Matt is a right handed drummer. Why, then, does he opt to play the slower, thicker songs (end of Rusty Cage, Slaves & Bulldozers, etc.) with his LEFT hand on the hi-hat? That's a place usually reserved for your primary hand (in "proper" drumming technique, of course). It took me quite a while to learn how to do it. I think it lets you keep a straighter tempo and avoid the tendency to rush. I'd just like to know what Mr. Cameron thinks. Was that OK? Back Door Man (formerly Meter Man) P.S.--Blind Dog, did you catch him doing that when you saw them Down Under? "'Cause I heard it in the wind and I saw it in the sky. And I thought it was the end and I thought it was the 4th of July." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Reading Festival Hi list! Guess what just popped into the old college mailbox this afternoon. A copy of SG's performance at this years Reading Festival! Can everyone scream YES! Before I give you a full review of the show here's a teaser cause I'm listening to it as I type... 1st song: another instrumental show opener. It isnt night surf. Maybe it's Night Surf II? :-) Then they open up with "Searching with my good eye closed". Chris's voice is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No damage that I can tell...or no use of more vocal effects. then it's "Drown Me" (reworked a little differently than the original or last years tour version) Next it's "Spoonman"....Great version reworked a little in the middle. I'm currently listening to My Wave......I detect some sort of a voice box (vocal effect) in the mix. Someone get Chris a clorets. l8r, steven ------------------------------ From: 945818@utb.edu Subject: how i got into soundgarden i got addicted to soundgarden back in 91 when i got badmotorfinger, louder than love, and ultramega ok as birthday gifts from someone who dug them. I can truly say that i am a true sg fanatic cuz i like them before anyone really knew of them. Jennifer Garcia ------------------------------ From: Michelle Scarrow Subject: OK OK, My turn. OK, so Ive been watching these proceedings for a week now and Im ready to talk and from what Ive seen Id better do it quick before someone decides theyve had enough of the "how I got into Soundgarden" story. I cant beat the whole in the wall story. Cant even come close. But here goes... It was a dark and dreary afternoon... I was watching Much Music's Power Hour (No, I didnt grow up on MTV, but it is the pathetic equivalent, I guess. I assume the Power Hour is much the same as the Headbanger's Ball Ive seen mentioned. My only experience with MTV was on New Year's day from a Florida Hotel Room while they played that old Young MC song every few minutes and replayed the entire countdown from the night before. I assume MTV can get better than this [?] so I wont pass judgement.) Anyway, my first experience with Soundgarden, (ok so it was just Chris Cornell who actually caught my eye), was on the Power Hour when they were showing Loud Love for the first time and Soundgarden was announced as "a new band from a city in the States, just south of Vancouver". The sound as well as the video stood out from all of the other ones theyd been playing,but I wasnt hooked. In fact, it never even occured to me that one might be able to purchase this CD. Dont know why not, but it would have cost a fortune anyway, being an import. A little later I see the Hunger Strike video, and I think gee... that guy looks familiar. Still no light bulbs above my head. Well, time passes and passes and I forget all about the band from some city just south of Vancouver. Next thing I know, Lollapalooza (2) shows up in town and who's on the bill but a COUPLE of bands from just south of Vancouver. (Seattle was still just a city.) I bought "Ten" immediately and so the next logical step was to buy Temple of the Dog. (Didnt even know Hunger Strike was on it.--Yes, I am that slow. Just thought it was Pearl Jam.) So now it's 1992 and off to University I go and what to my wandering eyes should appear, but a dubbed copy of Badmotorfinger lying in the student lounge. "Hey", I said innocently, "Soundgarden...I think I know that name. Didnt they play on that Pearl Jam album?" Well, that is how it started and many moons later I am divulging my secret (my secret stupidity) to a bunch of strangers. As much as I havent been paying much attention to PJ lately, I do owe most of my Soundgarden enlightenment to them. Thank You Pearl Jam for giving me something else to listen to instead of yourselves. And by the way, later that year I bought Ultramega OK etc. (all the major ones) and I want to know how the heck you guys could get away with paying less than $15.00 for a CD when I had to shell out $28.00 for a tape of Ultramega OK, A TAPE for crying out loud. Geeze. That's devotion. Sorry that was so long. It's been building up for a while. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ M. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: 27.8.1995 Oh man our boys can still ROCK! What a concert! Here's the set list: Intro: Night Surf II? Searching with my good eye closed Drown Me Spoonman My Wave Drawing Flies I'm here to (FUCK you up) Fell on Black Days Mailman Head Down Superunknown Rusty Cage Waiting for the sun Black Hole Sun Kristin? Hands all Over Encores: 4th of July Kickstand I Want You (She's so Heavy DIRGE) Let's start from the beginning: 1. The introduction was an instrumental very, very similar to Night Surf last year's concert opening music. 2. Searching with My Good Eye Closed - GREAT! Chris's voice is outstanding. 3. Drown Me - slightly different music mix 4. Spoonman - Not Bad! different mix in the middle 5. My Wave - The worst performance of the show. chris's voice just dies on some of the high notes/screams. I'm being highly critical...so some of you might not notice it. 6. Drawing Flies - Chris rebounds pretty nicely. The vocal work is outstanding! 7. I'm here to (FUCK you up) - a new song. Easily the fastest thing SG has ever done. I cant make out the words too well except for the words fuck and shit. So the Beavis and Butthead crowd should like this. The chorus is kinda catchy in a juvenille way. I'll say... "I'm here to" everyone else scream "FUCK YOU UP" 8. Fell on Black Days - WAY better!!!!! than the video version of last year. 9. Mailman - Chris says "This is a song about the good kill". Great version. 10. Head Down - Chris introduced this song by saying "This song is always my favorite". Another great version. 11. Superunknown - GREAT! a ton'o'reverb though. 12. Rusty Cage - here come those nasty vocal effects to help chris hit the high notes. All in all...a better version than last years. 13. Waiting for the Sun - Chris introduces this song as: "This is a church song". This is a cover of a song originally done by the seminal 60's band the Doors. A very faithful cover. I LIKE it. It also showed the bands sence of humor because the next song is: 14. Black Hole Sun - The crowd finally wakes up during this song. 15. Kristin You WILL be talking about the song Kristin (I think that's what its called) when the new album is released. From what I can make out (I will be giving this song repeated listenings) this song is about an abusive relationship. Here's some sample lyrics: "Tell me what I want to hear" You cant do anything without me you cant do anything without me you're gonna die without me you're gonna die without me The music and lyrics are VERY DARK, let me repeat...VERY DARK! Musically I would say it's a cross between Tdittl, limo wreck and mailman. There will not be any cries of sell out after you hear this song! I 'll work on the lyrics and get back to the list. 16. Hands all Over - a WAY better version than the one I heard last year. Included in this years version is a snippet of lyrics from Slaves and Bulldozer's during the song's slow part. They ended the set with this song....then the encores: 17. 4th of July - This song WAS BRILLIANT! They sped the tempo up from the originals Melvin's influenced Sludge Rock. The band hit on all cylinders during this song. GREAT!!, GREAT!! GREAT!! 18. Kickstand - Very GOOD! 19. I Want You (She's so Heavy Dirge) - They ended the performance with a music only rendition of the Beatles (particularly John Lennon's) classic from Abbey Road. This goes on for 3 minutes then a cloud of feedback and noise starts to erupt. Chris is screaming that "..something sucks" towards the end (note I cant make out exactly what yet). The show ends in a wave of feedback. Probably with chris emitting sounds from his guitar on the amp's. Big Soul Kiss.... steven ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: yippee I'm in a good mood Hi all. Yeah, it's that bloody Carolyn again. I'm sick of working (but not even work can get me out of this good mood I'm in) so decided to take time out to tell you all that my CD club must have ESP. After writing yesterday about how/why I got into Soundgarden, and mentioning that I was waiting on Badmotorfinger to be sent to me, I got home to find seven CDs I'd ordered, one of them being bmf! Seven new CDs! I've never bought that many at once. I was in music heaven and the stereo copped a flogging. You can probably guess which one I listened to first. For some reason Rusty Cage grabbed my attention straight away. I don't know whether it's just because that was the first song, or because of the great start to it, but I reckon it's really cool. Music at the start of songs is important to me - if there's a good intro I'll usually like the rest of it. ('Let me Drown' on Superunknown also has a well-planned ? beginning that got my attention on the start of that album too). So there you go. Now I just have to listen to the rest of the songs a bit more closely, and my good mood will continue...................... Carolyn the Music Freak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When I hand my love in I'll be done" "Save it, just keep it off my wave" "And my youth I pray to keep" **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: me again - Lipstick Killers Hey, I forgot to mention that while listening to the radio on the way home last night (before I collected all my CDs from the post office) I heard a great song from a great band. Has anyone heard of Lipstick Killers?? They were around late 70s-early 80s & while I liked them in the 80s I think they might have been a bit ahead of their time. They could even be Australian so most of you probably don't know of them. The song played on Triple J was 'Hindu God' from 1978. Does anyone out there in the big wide world know it? {and did any Aussies happen to be listening to Triple J yesterday at about 5 pm?} Just curious................... Carolyn the mf. ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: matt and his skins Yo, Blind Dog! Just thought I'd give you some feedback on your impression of Matt's drum-playing. It was very interesting reading! Being an ex-piano player I know a bit about music, but zilch about drums. I'll start focussing more on the drums now when I listen to Soundgarden. See ya. Carolyn the Music Freak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When I hand my love in I'll be done" "Save it, just keep it off my wave" "And my youth I pray to keep" **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: what a day Hey list me yet again. I really do have a "so called life". It's just today I've been sitting in front of my computer doing homework. I decided to leave it on today. So.... you're getting info as soon as I get it. No, I get unlimited connect time...so I'm not paying extra for this. 1. If you've read the newsgroup you'll notice that Hater! is going to be playing a show in Seattle on September 23. With opening act Sweet 75 which is Krist N. new band. Tapers....get a hold of me! 2. the official release date for the charles peterson book is November 12. if you're really interested in getting a copy...I'll see if I can get some people's books signed by mr. peterson himself (no promises). 3. The new edition of Sub Pop 200 is to be released next tuesday. Includes the SG song "SUB POP rock city". From what I understand there will be a cool "old school" picture of mr. cornell included in the new liner notes and photo's. that's it for now.... steven ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: somms, of course On Mon, 18 Sep 1995 945818@utb.edu wrote: > > I have been looking everywhere for the somms bonus cd that accompanied Badmotorfinger. If anyone can tell me where i can find a copy, I would greatly appreciate it. > > Jennifer GArcia > There is a used CD store here in Iowa City called Record Colector who has had a copy of Badmotorfinger W/ the Somms CD on there shelf for about six months. I think the cost is about 20.00 or 25.00 bucks for both. I could give you their phone number if interested, or possibly even pick it up for you. Let me know. BK ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I ask again: can you say anything constructive? On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, stacy.meyrick wrote: > Blind Dog? Man, you are my fucking hero, I just love the way you put a > dot after your numbers, and tabs as well, you don't mind if I use it a > while do you, no, that's entirely alright. as long as you tell me why you enjoy being such a smart ass on our list? > 1. I consider my opinion to be as important as any other, and > yes, that includes Chris Cornell. And if it wasn't > interesting then you wouldn't have replied to it, would > you? just trying to set you straight, stacey. I mean, if you feel that your opinion is equal to chris cornell's (with regard to soundgarden music), then that kinda paints you as a pretty egotistical sort of person. how could your opinion be more important to those of us on this list than chris cornell's? I'd prefer to think that in comparison to his ideas on lyrical meaning, *your's* become the irrelevancy. so no, I wasn't responding because I thought your opinion was interesting. I replied because the way you expressed it was in such a shitty manner that I had to say something. I mean, where do you get off saying stuff like that in your first posting? you might have a lot to say. but if you want to start arguments, then find another list. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: New input On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, The Back Door Man wrote: > Here's a good one for you, Jamie. Matt is a right handed drummer. Why, > then, does he opt to play the slower, thicker songs (end of Rusty Cage, > Slaves & Bulldozers, etc.) with his LEFT hand on the hi-hat? That's a does it make easier to do cymbal crashes? it would mix up my rolls too much to start changing hands during songs :) > P.S.--Blind Dog, did you catch him doing that when you saw them Down Under? sorry back door man, my head was rocking around too much :) I could only see the music. that sounds kinda corny, but the way they played that night, the music was like a physical force. you could almost touch it. but then again, maybe I was just in awe :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: First time stories On 19 September 1995, Jamie wrote: >Hey, don't stop the first time stories, just read Steven's, good stuff. >Jamie Ditto to that. Keep 'em rolling in, everyone! I'm starting to feel like I'm getting to know you all just that little bit more.................. Oh, and someone wrote that they consider themselves "a true soundgarden fan" because they knew the band before anyone else did (or something to that effect). Well, I'm a fan too (a true one, I suppose? - it's true that I do like soundgarden!), but who gives a shit when you first got into a band? Being a true fan or not is just bullshit. It's often just a matter of luck to "discover" a band if they don't happen to have hit singles..............the person who wrote said she was given 3 Soundgarden CDs for her birthday - so if she'd never got that gift she probably wouldn't be a fan now. Like if I never hurt my knee I probably wouldn't be a fan now. It's all just fate, mate! :-) Now I don't even know what point I was trying to make up there. This was supposed to be a two-line message. Oh well {sigh} I'll leave that paragraph in because I know someone out there will agree with my way of thinking! Bye ~ Carolyn the My Friend.....? PS: Jamie: I'm THINKING of a question to ask the band..................but have patience! You've put the pressure on us, when you actually specified those of us you expected answers from - THE CHALLENGE IS ON, GUYS, COME ON!! {Well done, Back Door Man, for getting the ball rolling} PPS: Also to Jamie: I think the Is Susan hot? question was done in fun - not meant to be taken seriously. I'm sure Brian wasn't wanting to judge books by covers. After all, we on this list can ONLY judge each other by the book since we can't see any covers............which is probably not a bad thing! PPPS: So much for being a two-line message. My grandpa always tells me I have Verbal Diarrhoea so I guess that's the same when I write. :-( Sorrrrrry. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I hand my love in I'll be done Save it, just keep it off my wave And my youth I pray to keep **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: how i got into soundgarden On Tue, 19 Sep 1995 945818@utb.edu > I can truly say that i am a true sg fanatic cuz i like them before anyone really knew of them. > Jennifer Garcia > > Are you saying that these people who first heard of sg through black hole sun can't truly say that they are a sg fanatic? Sorry, i've been in the indie scene, and i'm plain tired of musical prejudice. Especially between people who like the same band! thank you for your time. -j ------------------------------ From: Chicka Jackeen Subject: Re: OK OK, My turn. Michelle, you actually have watched Much Music? I thought i was the only one. I thought it seemed like a great alternative to MTV this summer, even though it did overplay some videos. But that's okay because i am now in love with the Rainbow Butt Monkeys and the Odds, two bands i can't find any recordings from down here in the states. Also, they had an indie spotlight almost everyday and one video from an indie spotlight became a regular (dbs "Snowball). The selection seemed good to me and RSVP usually showed videos you wouldn't see on MTV. The sloppy style of production also added to this station's appeal because i had just completed a film class in high school. And the VJ's were more "real" than the ones on MTV. Also i'm secretly in love with Suk Yin Lee (VJ), but don't tell her, OK? Sorry i took up so much space without talking about sg, but i am amazed to find someone else who has watched Much Music. - --j ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 51] ***************************************