From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 15 Sep 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:02:33 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 15 Sep 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Re[2]: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. Re: A lot of shitty things to say... Popular music Re: A lot of shitty things to say... Re: A lot of shitty things to say... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 12 Sep 1995 New album Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. change or not to change Re: A lot of shitty things to say... Re[2]: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 10 Sep 1995 Re: New album Re: *** NEW MUSIC *** Soundgarden is shit Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 14 Sep 1995 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 10 Sep 1995 RE: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 6 Sep 1995 (fwd) Re: A lot of shitty things to say... (fwd) New album Soundgarden is shit Re: Soundgarden is shit he got your goal Foo-d fighters Supermainstream spoonman ramblings 3... ramblings 5... ramblings... ramblings 4... ramblings 2... Re: ramblings 5... remember when...... Re: sndgrdn fans RE: ramblings 4... SG's tantrums Jason Everman-peacock or not? Re: Way to go, Clown We all should help Stacy find...... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Mark_Shumaker_at_RAY__REC__VLF03V31@CCGATE.UECI.COM Subject: Re[2]: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. how would one go about getting this 'ultramegaunknown' boot leg ? mark s ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: A lot of shitty things to say... On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, stacy.meyrick wrote: > Why are people so concerned about Chris Cornell's lyrics, i mean okay, > relate to it. What Chris Cornell thinks is irrelevent. > Neil Young? I thought he was dead. Well, it takes a rapidly becoming > "commercial" band like Pearl Jam to revive his career doesn't it? I > bet they'll sell a few more records indeed. > Soundgarden, best band with the most talent? There's more than one > band out there you know. > Seeing as though I've just appointed myself as Mr. Opinion then I'll tell > all of you that don't own it to run out and buy Foo Fighters, if they > got a bit more play on MTV most of you probably would. and who the hell are you? 1. chris cornell's opinion of his own lyrics doesn't matter? give me a break! who's opinion would be more important, or more interesting? maybe yours? :^) and if we aren't here to talk about soundgarden music (which lyrics *are* a part of), then what are we here to talk about? 2. neil young dead, eh? well if you're such an opinionated music genius, why don't you tell us all why such a revered figure in the history of rock music would be attempting to 'revive' his career? especially in such a vicarious manner, regarding that increasingly 'commercial' band pearl jam. didn't their last album not only move away from mainstream tastes, but also sell less than their first two? 3. as for soundgarden not being the most talented band, who do you prefer? and while I'm addressing this portion of your shithouse posting, let me say that there is no need for you to point out to everyone here that there are (my god!) other bands than soundgarden making music. we all know that. 4. so finally, mr opinion, what makes you belive that the majority of us here on the list are mtv groupies? what exactly lead you to that ill-conceived conclusion? have you been on this list very long? and what else have you contributed other than this bunch of shite? by posting this shocker of a letter, I know that you have offended a bunch of people on this list. is that what you set out to do? instead of saying something constructive or worthwhile, you've written what basically amounts to a piece of shit. so my advice to you, and of course you can take it or leave it, is to either clam up or say something useful. apologies to the rest of the list. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ADAMSON RICHARD J Subject: Popular music If there is one thing I HATE the most it is the whole popularity / alternative arguement. It really shits me up the fucking wall! On the one hand you have the followers of fashion. The teeny-boppers who don't get into a band until they are popular and it is 'safe' to. On the other side we have those who are hip to new or underground music who bag out any band who becomes successful and sells records or anyone who gets into a band through their 'breakthrough' album. Australia has a band called RATCAT who were doing well in the indie seen then blasted to number one on the national charts. The indie crowd hated them for it, and the teeny-boppers soon forgot about them all together. Oh, the fickle public! DON'T call a band shit just because they sell records otherwise you are just as much a follower of fashion as the teeny-boppers. And please don't hassle people new to your fave band 'cause it ain't cool anymore if they are popular. They deserve to listen to good music as well! Thanks for reading my rave. I needed to get that off my chest. Soundgarden are a good band not' cause it's to be a fan but because the music is fantastic. I wish them all the best. The more number one records the better. RICH. P.S. This was not aimed at anyone in particular. ------------------------------ From: "URB@NO" Subject: Re: A lot of shitty things to say... At 02:21 PM 14/09/95 +1000, you wrote: >On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, stacy.meyrick wrote: > >> Why are people so concerned about Chris Cornell's lyrics, i mean okay, >> relate to it. What Chris Cornell thinks is irrelevent. > >> Neil Young? I thought he was dead. Well, it takes a rapidly becoming >> "commercial" band like Pearl Jam to revive his career doesn't it? I >> bet they'll sell a few more records indeed. > >> Soundgarden, best band with the most talent? There's more than one >> band out there you know. > >> Seeing as though I've just appointed myself as Mr. Opinion then I'll tell >> all of you that don't own it to run out and buy Foo Fighters, if they >> got a bit more play on MTV most of you probably would. > > and who the hell are you? > > 1. chris cornell's opinion of his own lyrics doesn't matter? >give me a break! who's opinion would be more important, or more >interesting? maybe yours? :^) and if we aren't here to talk about >soundgarden music (which lyrics *are* a part of), then what are we here >to talk about? > > 2. neil young dead, eh? well if you're such an opinionated music >genius, why don't you tell us all why such a revered figure in the >history of rock music would be attempting to 'revive' his career? >especially in such a vicarious manner, regarding that increasingly >'commercial' band pearl jam. didn't their last album not only move away >from mainstream tastes, but also sell less than their first two? > > 3. as for soundgarden not being the most talented band, who do >you prefer? and while I'm addressing this portion of your shithouse >posting, let me say that there is no need for you to point out to >everyone here that there are (my god!) other bands than soundgarden >making music. we all know that. > > 4. so finally, mr opinion, what makes you belive that the >majority of us here on the list are mtv groupies? what exactly lead you >to that ill-conceived conclusion? have you been on this list very long? >and what else have you contributed other than this bunch of shite? > > by posting this shocker of a letter, I know that you have >offended a bunch of people on this list. is that what you set out to do? > > instead of saying something constructive or worthwhile, you've >written what basically amounts to a piece of shit. so my advice to you, >and of course you can take it or leave it, is to either clam up or say >something useful. > > apologies to the rest of the list. > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > I just have to admit that Blind Dog kicks some ass. URB@NO ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: Re: A lot of shitty things to say... On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, URB@NO wrote: > At 02:21 PM 14/09/95 +1000, you wrote: > >On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, stacy.meyrick wrote: > > > >> Why are people so concerned about Chris Cornell's lyrics, i mean okay, > >> relate to it. What Chris Cornell thinks is irrelevent. > > > >> Neil Young? I thought he was dead. Well, it takes a rapidly becoming > >> "commercial" band like Pearl Jam to revive his career doesn't it? I > >> bet they'll sell a few more records indeed. > > > >> Soundgarden, best band with the most talent? There's more than one > >> band out there you know. > > > >> Seeing as though I've just appointed myself as Mr. Opinion then I'll tell > >> all of you that don't own it to run out and buy Foo Fighters, if they > >> got a bit more play on MTV most of you probably would. > > > > and who the hell are you? > > > > 1. chris cornell's opinion of his own lyrics doesn't matter? > >give me a break! who's opinion would be more important, or more > >interesting? maybe yours? :^) and if we aren't here to talk about > >soundgarden music (which lyrics *are* a part of), then what are we here > >to talk about? > > > > 2. neil young dead, eh? well if you're such an opinionated music > >genius, why don't you tell us all why such a revered figure in the > >history of rock music would be attempting to 'revive' his career? > >especially in such a vicarious manner, regarding that increasingly > >'commercial' band pearl jam. didn't their last album not only move away > >from mainstream tastes, but also sell less than their first two? > > > > 3. as for soundgarden not being the most talented band, who do > >you prefer? and while I'm addressing this portion of your shithouse > >posting, let me say that there is no need for you to point out to > >everyone here that there are (my god!) other bands than soundgarden > >making music. we all know that. > > > > 4. so finally, mr opinion, what makes you belive that the > >majority of us here on the list are mtv groupies? what exactly lead you > >to that ill-conceived conclusion? have you been on this list very long? > >and what else have you contributed other than this bunch of shite? > > > > by posting this shocker of a letter, I know that you have > >offended a bunch of people on this list. is that what you set out to do? > > > > instead of saying something constructive or worthwhile, you've > >written what basically amounts to a piece of shit. so my advice to you, > >and of course you can take it or leave it, is to either clam up or say > >something useful. > > > > apologies to the rest of the list. > > > > ----------------------------------- > > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > > rooms a thousand years wide > > ----------------------------------- > > I just have to admit that Blind Dog kicks some ass. > > URB@NO > > I too must agree. A thick and witty retort, my friend. -SASSfellow ------------------------------ From: charris@i-max.co.nz (Clint Harris) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 12 Sep 1995 >> >They made 100,000 copies of Somms as a bonus disc to Badmotorfinger. >> >They are SCARCE, since we all want a copy. There are some out there, it >> >will take some supersleuthing. >> >> Would you belive I found my copy in a used CD shop! Yep, someone had traded >> in the rare copy of Motor/somms. Was nice of them really :) BTW >> supersleuthing I think you will need more then that...it is damn hard to >> find...luck is about the only way. > >And how much did this treasure cost you? I've heard that used copies >sell for up to $90. (I was lucky and bought mine when it came out in >1992 for $11.88) > >seth > Get this... Said copy of Badmotorfinger/Somms is actually in the cd rent section of the local library...Seems that after BMF had been out awhile, and word got round (here anyway) how good they are, someone with great taste in the Library went out and bought the darned thing!. It won't be worth shit now as it's a rental and in fucked condition but I wonder if they actually realise how rare it is? In relation to the re-issue thing. It really pisses me off when a band (or record company most likely) release a "special" edition album awhile after the original is released...as soon as the album (BMF) came out I went and bought a copy only to see it be re-released with SOMMS. aaargh. I wanted that somms cd but I wasn't prepared to shell out the extra $30 or so dollars to get it...so I went to the library and dubbed it :) > >Steven said something about a SG CD-ROM release in October. What is it? I vaguely remember someone mentioning that SG was to have a clip on the somesort of CD rom that came with Win95 ? anyone have more info on that?. The win95 CD's that we have at work all have a fuckin Weezer clip instead :( >Also, Ben has thrown a tantrum during every Soundgarden show that I have >seen. It seems that he's always pissed, kicking, hitting, spitting, >flicking off and yelling about something. The dude has A LOT of saliva. The guy may have his faults but when you play your bass as low to the ground as Ben did when I saw them play... Hell...I'll let him spit on my friends anyday :) S'yoo CH... "it's only wrong if you get caught"-TooL ------------------------------ From: Daniel Ladle Subject: New album Dear all, I have just found out that apparently the new album is going to come out in mid-October (in England at least) and is going to be a CD-plus (a long player I assume). It will be called "Alive in the Superunknown" so I guess that means it will be a live set from one of their shows. If you are all lucky it will be from the Reading festival as that show was incredible!!!!!!!! Hope that whets your appetites Dan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >>And while we at it - have you all notices that most of the new songs out all >>sound like the bands pervious album. Example: Green Days new one sounds just >>like doogie, Candlebox sounds just the same, AC/DC new release (even the >>video) could be any one of their old stuff. David Bowie now sounds like NIN's >>Trend. > > >Of course AC/DC sounds the same- there's no other band like them and they >don't tend to change their music! > >Stick with a winning formula that keeps heads nodding up and down to the >rhythm... > >Jackhammer. > > You got to be kidding? How boring can you get, both music and a band have to grown. AC/DC is a good band they have produced great songs, but to never changes is dull, boring, and shows a total lack of intelligence (music wise). Why would you buy a new record from a group that sounds just like the last two or three they put out. I based my opinion on hearing one song (single/video) from the new album, maybe the rest of it is different. I certainly hope so, I have seen them perform and have enjoyed their music in the past. I hate to think they are just putting out music to pad their pockets. THE ONLY THING THAT DOESN'T CHANGE IS CHANGE! Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: change or not to change From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Well Jamie,we like bands because they do a certain thing a if they totally >change we might not like the it.Why mess with something good?Also a writer >can't help but write how he writes,so if he wrote something he didn't like he >he wouldn't really be himself now would he?Really.... > Macbane > > I just finish a note to the group in response to Jackhammers posting, he said basely the same as you. And I repeat: You must grown in your music. To have the same diet of music day in and day out would slowly turn you against it. Example: I love heavy/bluiest rock type music, but I also like classical (I have at lease 10 CD), Easy listening (Michael Bolton, Rick Ashley, N. Cole [both father and daughter] and etc.), Musical (West Side Store, The King and I, etc.). My favorite CD is violin music by Isaac Stern. Variety and change keeps the music alive. Your right about the writer, only writing what he likes, but usually anyone who creates uses their life experience to lean on. Life always changes, so a song writer will more than likely show that change in their music. I think you both saw my posting as an attack on AC/DC, wrong! I feel cheated if any band doesn't give me something new and different. Variety, my friend is the spice of life. Jamie Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: A lot of shitty things to say... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, stacy.meyrick wrote: > >> Why are people so concerned about Chris Cornell's lyrics, i mean okay, >> relate to it. What Chris Cornell thinks is irrelevent. > and who the hell are you? Go, Justin..... >2. neil young dead, eh? well if you're such an opinionated music >genius, why don't you tell us all why such a revered figure in the >history of rock music would be attempting to 'revive' his career? >especially in such a vicarious manner, Why do people think you have to lay down and die after a certain age? Talent is a gift for all the ages, what a shame it would be if people stopped creating just because they were getting older. >4. so finally, mr opinion, what makes you belive that the >majority of us here on the list are mtv groupies? what exactly lead you >to that ill-conceived conclusion? have you been on this list very long? >and what else have you contributed other than this bunch of shite? > I myself (hang my head) am a MTV groupie :P Only because it is the only way to see a bands video. I have 4 choices on my TV for music MTV, VH1, VideoSoul, and the country station. Believe me if there were some other way to see music video, I would be the first in line for it. MTV has changed for the worst over the last few years. We no longer have Headbangers Ball and the few really good segments are on after 12am. In my defense I will say that I do not judge a new CD or a band by the air play on MTV anymore then I pick my men based on the guys on Baywatch! > > apologies to the rest of the list. > No need - you did good. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Mark_Shumaker_at_RAY__REC__VLF03V31@CCGATE.UECI.COM Subject: Re[2]: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 10 Sep 1995 Goon, you had asked if there is other stuff Matt C performed on. Have you heard of the Hater CD ? Mark s ------------------------------ From: swr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven Russell Jr.) Subject: Re: New album >Dear all, > I have just found out that apparently the new album is going to >come out in mid-October (in England at least) and is going to be a >CD-plus (a long player I assume). It will be called "Alive in the >Superunknown" so I guess that means it will be a live set from one of >their shows. If you are all lucky it will be from the Reading festival as >that show was incredible!!!!!!!! Alright, as I previously mentioned in a post a couple days ago - There will be a new Soundgarden CD-Plus release sometime in october. It will be titled "Alive in the Superunknown". Rumor has it that it will contain 4 tracks with one of them being the song: "superunknown". This release - along with the song on the Home Alive compilation will keep us entertained till the new album is released early next summer. The CD-Plus will contain slide show photos (a lot of snapshots) and an animated version of Reyza's animal collage (check your 94 tour posters). It will also have a "pretty cool space jam" that they improvved with drills and guitars that was inspired by SG's meeting with the greatful dead during a show in seattle this year. hope that clears up the mess... steven "If I die of vanity, promise me, promise me, they bury me someplace I dont want to be, you'll dig me up and transport me, unceremoniously, away from the swollen city-breeze, garbage-bage trees, whispers of disease and acts of enormity and lower me slowly, sadly and properly Get (Chris Cornell) to sing my eulogy," - G. Downie ------------------------------ From: swr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven Russell Jr.) Subject: Re: *** NEW MUSIC *** >Hey everyone, I just went to a CD show a picked up a prize. I found a >collection of SG's rare recordings from 1987-1992. HERE'S THE SONGS! This release is titled: Supermainstream. >EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING...MONKEY john peel sessions 1989 actual title is: "everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkee". It's a track on the Beatle's White album. >THANK YOU...MYSELF john peel sessions 1989 actual title is: Thank You (Falletin Me Be Mice Elf Agin). a song by sly and the family stone. If you listen real closely to the original...the main music sample for Janet Jackson's "Rhythm Nation" (the song) is taken from the bass line to this song. steve "If I die of vanity, promise me, promise me, they bury me someplace I dont want to be, you'll dig me up and transport me, unceremoniously, away from the swollen city-breeze, garbage-bage trees, whispers of disease and acts of enormity and lower me slowly, sadly and properly Get (Chris Cornell) to sing my eulogy," - G. Downie ------------------------------ From: Matilda Dahlqvist Subject: Soundgarden is shit SOUNDGARDEN IS SHIT, LONG LIVE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: ISI-Ivan Galaviz Carmona Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 14 Sep 1995 Hello: I'm writing from Mexico, you guys may think we're still wearing hats and all that stuff, NOT! Well, I was reading about tree or four days ago your complains about tecnocrap being played in every night club, yes I've seen the same and I hate it, I can't even go out with my almost-ex-friends because fo that. Recently I was dating a girl I liked a lot, She was 25 and I was happy because I tought she was mature, wrong! I all finished on a date she took me to a dance, she was a teenager, musicaly. So, thank you for being here, by the way, I was a DJ since I was 13, Thank god I left it. Ivan Galaviz ------------------------------ From: ISI-Ivan Galaviz Carmona Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 10 Sep 1995 Hi: I would like to know if there is somebody in this list living in Mexico, so please forgive me for the next text, it will be in spanish Que onda gente del somms, espero que alguien este por ahi, contesten porque me gustaria saber que onda con la escena aqui en mexico, yo estoy en la tierra de Juan Gabriel (Juarez). Lo cual no implica nada acerca de mi persona o mi forma de ser, asi que espero su email. gracias. al324344@campus.cdj.itesm.mx Ivan Galaviz ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: RE: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 6 Sep 1995 > Hey man ! When will AIC andSG make an album together ? >They would really rock . Actually on AIC's ep "SAP" Chris Cornell sang on a track called Right Turn, check it it out it's pretty cool. Officially the track is listed as being performed by Alice Mudgarden So I'm asssuming some members of Mudhoney performed on it. However I am not familiar with thier band lineup so I am not quite sure who. Clown With Bazooka ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: (fwd) Re: A lot of shitty things to say... On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, stacy.meyrick wrote: > Why are people so concerned about Chris Cornell's lyrics, i mean okay, > relate to it. What Chris Cornell thinks is irrelevent. > Neil Young? I thought he was dead. Well, it takes a rapidly becoming > "commercial" band like Pearl Jam to revive his career doesn't it? I > bet they'll sell a few more records indeed. > Soundgarden, best band with the most talent? There's more than one > band out there you know. > Seeing as though I've just appointed myself as Mr. Opinion then I'll tell > all of you that don't own it to run out and buy Foo Fighters, if they > got a bit more play on MTV most of you probably would. and who the hell are you? On 9-14-95 Blind Dog Wrote, > 1. chris cornell's opinion of his own lyrics doesn't matter? >give me a break! who's opinion would be more important, or more >interesting? maybe yours? :^) and if we aren't here to talk about >soundgarden music (which lyrics *are* a part of), then what are we here >to talk about? > 2. neil young dead, eh? well if you're such an opinionated music >genius, why don't you tell us all why such a revered figure in the >history of rock music would be attempting to 'revive' his career? >especially in such a vicarious manner, regarding that increasingly >'commercial' band pearl jam. didn't their last album not only move away >from mainstream tastes, but also sell less than their first two? > 3. as for soundgarden not being the most talented band, who do >you prefer? and while I'm addressing this portion of your shithouse >posting, let me say that there is no need for you to point out to >everyone here that there are (my god!) other bands than soundgarden >making music. we all know that. > 4. so finally, mr opinion, what makes you belive that the >majority of us here on the list are mtv groupies? what exactly lead you >to that ill-conceived conclusion? have you been on this list very long? >and what else have you contributed other than this bunch of shite? > by posting this shocker of a letter, I know that you have >offended a bunch of people on this list. is that what you set out to do? > instead of saying something constructive or worthwhile, you've >written what basically amounts to a piece of shit. so my advice to you, >and of course you can take it or leave it, is to either clam up or say >something useful. apologies to the rest of the list. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- Damn Blind Dog, you Nuked her. But I think that she deserved it. Secondly Ms Myrick, If you can find a band with a drummer better than Matt, a band that could perform Jesus Christ Pose better than Matt(Which isn't possible anyway) A better Vocalist than Chris(good Luck) A better lyricist than Chris(Not on this Earth, I know of some as good but it doesn't get better than this) Then find People in the same band who can write Songs better or comparable to Ben, Matt and Kim. Songs on the level with room a thousand Years Wide, Mailman and Head Down. Then Find A guitarist who can rip those low dark angry chords like kim(Hint: Look for Kim's evil Twin) A Rythm guitarist like Chris(acoustic and electric) and last but difinitely not least a weird and quirky bassist like ben who is right at home playing songs like head down, half, Limo wreck, Birth Ritual, TDITTL. BTw all of thease unique people with ALL OF THEASE UNIQUE TALENTS HAVE TO BE IN THE SAME BAND SUBMISSIONS BY FICTIONAL BANDS, DREAM ALL-STAR BANDS, BANDS COMPRISED OF NON-LIVING PERSONS, SPACE ALIENS, OR CLONES ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE. AND ALL OF THE ABOVE AFOREMENTIONED SOUNDGARDEN LIKE TALENTS HAVE TO BE INCLUDED AND HAVE TO BE HIGHER IN MAGNITUDE THAN THE AFOREMENTIONED'S MUSICAL SKILLS AND I DO MEAN ALL. IF YOU SUCCEED I WILL GO OUT AND BUY ALL OF PEARL JAM'S ALBUMS AND LISTEN TO THEM DAILY. CLOWN. ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: (fwd) New album >Dear all, > I have just found out that apparently the new album is going to >come out in mid-October (in England at least) and is going to be a >CD-plus (a long player I assume). It will be called "Alive in the >Superunknown" so I guess that means it will be a live set from one of >their shows. If you are all lucky it will be from the Reading festival as >that show was incredible!!!!!!!! > Hope that whets your appetites Dan Actually the Cd-Plus format is for multimedia PC's, it features four video's plus enough soundclips, and video footage to satisfy any Soundgarden fans appitite. It is supposed to come out in the U.S. on November 21. I read about it in USA today, the reviewer gave it 4 stars. Clown ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Soundgarden is shit >SOUNDGARDEN IS SHIT, LONG LIVE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In response to this asinine comment, I must remind you that this is the soundgarden mailing list. Not MTV online, I admitt I often flame Pearl Jam but I have said before that even though i did not like ten that much I respected it musically. It's the albums since I did not care for. Secondly I have never logged on to the Pearl Jam mailing list and Flamed Pearl Jam that would be rude. Third soundgarden is shit, is hardly and intelligent criterium for judging them in comparison to the chili peppers. Here on the soundgarden mailing list we judge bands on artistic merit not record sales. Thirdly I do believe that the new chilli peppers songs has 1 bar of music for the main part of the song and 1 more for the bridge/Chorus and then they just slow it down in the end. So as a correction to your statement no soundgarden is not shit. Please refrain from thease comments in the future. Thank You Clown With Bazooka P.S. GET THE FUCK OFF OUR LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: brian arend lucas Subject: Re: Soundgarden is shit Soundgarden is shit and Chili Peppers are cool, huh? That's like saying your Mom is hot shit and Cindy Crawford is a dog. That's simply not true. Why is Soundgarden shit? Because Chris Cornell is one of the best singers out there with an incredible voice range? As for your boy, Anthony, if you took out all the music in every C. Pepper song, you would be left with the same old shitty singing every time. If you've heard one Pepper song, then you've heard them all. How can you call them shit when Cornell and Thayil (he's the lead guitarist by the way) account for orinal and quality music? When Matt Cameron (drummer) can kick that stupid fuck's drummer-ass w/ the horns on the Give it Away video? Give us all a break Matilda (nice name) and save us the time of not having to reply to your ignorant comments. On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Matilda Dahlqvist wrote: > SOUNDGARDEN IS SHIT, LONG LIVE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Let me change this: "Soundgarden rocks and the Red Hot Chili Peppers can spend time at your house being shit together." ------------------------------ From: daniel rosendahl Subject: he got your goal > > Soundgarden is shit and Chili Peppers are cool, huh? That's like saying > your Mom is hot shit and Cindy Crawford is a dog. That's simply not > true. Why is Soundgarden shit? Because Chris Cornell is one of the best > singers out there with an incredible voice range? As for your boy, > Anthony, if you took out all the music in every C. Pepper song, you > would be left with the same old shitty singing every time. If you've > heard one Pepper song, then you've heard them all. How can you call > them shit when Cornell and Thayil (he's the lead guitarist by the way) > account for orinal and quality music? When Matt Cameron (drummer) can > kick that stupid fuck's drummer-ass w/ the horns on the Give it Away video? > Give us all a break Matilda (nice name) and save us the time of not having to > reply to your ignorant comments. > > On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Matilda Dahlqvist wrote: > > > SOUNDGARDEN IS SHIT, LONG LIVE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Let me change this: "Soundgarden rocks and the Red Hot Chili Peppers can > spend time at your house being shit together." > I've seen this kind of insulting on other mailing lists. The best is to let their comments drop by the wayside. This person's goal was obviously to get people angry, and it did. Next time, I say we SG fans let this type of commentary be ignored. Let the music of a great band like SG speak for itself if it comes into question. Dan drosenda@ub.d.umn.edu ------------------------------ From: Kathryn Mercier Subject: Foo-d fighters After seeing them in my teeny tiny college town of Arcata, CA last year, and finding them to be genuine-ly nice guys, I got their album. I thinks it's entertaining, and that Dave Grohl has a much more pleasant voice than I would have guessed. I would recommend it to anyone who really likes the genre (great word, isn't it?) but not to anyone who really wants something ground-breaking. As far as jumping up and down in the video, I thought it was kind of funny, because it was so video-ey. I don't think that Dave really intended it to look natural. I thought it was a lot better than all that boring guitar-posturing. I get so sick of that. ------------------------------ From: Kathryn Mercier Subject: Supermainstream Whoever sent in that list of rare b-sides that they just picked up at a show, was that Supermainstream? I have that, but i haven't listened to it for a while, and those songs sounded like they were the ones that were on it. Do you know what I'm talking about? "Supermainstream"? Kate ------------------------------ From: ThisRulz@aol.com Subject: spoonman i just got the spoonman single with exit stone henge and cold bitch, i know cold bitch is kind of old, but i didn't feel like getting the outshined single. i think that song kicks ass!! and exit stone henge is pretty cool, but weird. ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Subject: ramblings 3... Have patience... Just one more to go... - ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: anyone here? >First of all, the Lollapalooza CD sucks. The sound is just horrible. >Its only saving grace is the cove4r of Cop Killer. Second, the song >playing when the car windows smash is not Citizen Dick. It is Tad. Well, actually Tad made the music that Citizen Dick played in the movie, so bassicaly both of you are right... - ------------------------------ Subject: sndgrdn fans From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) >members of the band (set me back $250 but it was worth it). Sorry i'm >rambling. Back to my point. Am I the only fan out here that is over 30? >Pls say it isn't so. Well, I count myself as a 'senior' here, with 21 on my back. But, that really doesn't matter. The music sounds the same. - ------------------------------ From: beavis@moose.erie.net (Steve Koca) Subject: Lyle Lovett? >I was looking through one of my SG cd covers and noticed that Ben Sheppard >looks like Lyle Lovett anyone else think so? all thoughts and opinions welcome. Yes, they really look alike. Except that Ben doesn't look like someone did a 'warp' effect on his face. :-) - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Subject: ramblings 5... Oh, I lied. There was one more. - ------------------------------ From: MoonDruid@aol.com Subject: Drugs > Now THAT would suck, ya know? I mean, there's a pretty thick line between > horrible drugs and not so bad drugs. Pot and LSD are not so bad drugs. Well, depends on how you use it. Some people got fucked up real bad from using acid. Pot is more or less harmless. > The bad thing about it is...Matt, Chris, and Kim are not really that screwed > up on drugs. Hiro isn't really, to the best of my knowledge. However, Hiro While we're at it... Not that it's any of our bussiness, but does any of them have a history concerning substance abuse? - ------------------------------ Subject: Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > I have a small comment - why doesn't Dave stand still or at lease do something > else than jumping up and down (video put down). Now don't tell me that it's Well, give him a break, he's new at this... He's been sitting at one point for the whole of his career, he has to make up for all the jumping he lose out on. :-) > And while we at it - have you all notices that most of the new songs out all > sound like the bands pervious album. Example: Green Days new one sounds just > like doogie, Candlebox sounds just the same, AC/DC new release (even the > video) could be any one of their old stuff. David Bowie now sounds like NIN's > Trend. Well, that's one way of knowing which bands are worth digging deeper into. Wether they grow with new releases or not. I think that shows real talent. Most bands can stumble upon a musical formula and keep doing the same thing for 30 years. BTW, _any_ AC/DC's album sounds like any of the rest (minus the change of vocalists)... :-) > I sure hope SG doesn't do this, not our boys, surly not our boys. Well, they proved that they can grow with time. Each of their releaes is distinctively different from the others. I think they'll go on re-discovering themselves and covering new musical grounds... I least I hope so. - ------------------------------ From: Askairi Williams Subject: RE: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 6 Sep 1995 > Hey man ! When will AIC andSG make an album together ? > They would really rock . Hear, hear! We already have collaborations from most of Seattle bands in various combinations, but SG + AiC never happened (except for 'I Am Inside' on AiC's Sap)... Too bad. - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Subject: ramblings... I'm in digest mode now, so from now on I'll answer a few posts in one message (as I get them in digests)... Anyway, on with the show: - ---------------------- From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) >Have you ever heard any of those? All top-notch stuff. I personally >think every one of those albums is really worth having and listening. >Now, can you honestly say that people capable of producing that amount >of (good!) music have no talent? Would someone who is rocking hard for >30 years, like Neil Young, make a whole album with them if they had no >talent? Now, even if you don't enjoy their music (a shame if you don't) >you must give them artistic credit and respect for what they've done. > > Rod Stewart has been producing "Music" I guess you could call it that > since the sixties. He has a body of work that is far greater than the sum > of the music generated by Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and Alice in chains. He > also has been "rocking" for thirty years. But would I call him talented? Didn't I sent this to you by e-mail? Hm... Anyway: Rod Stweart, AFAIK, doesn't perform his own songs, other people write them for him. And I surely wouldn't call his music 'rocking' (although he did some cool tunes with Jeff Beck). > No. Respect him artiscally? No. Does Neil Young give me a headache? Yes. Well, I guess you should look up the roots of the music that you listen to. You'll find Neil Young there. Points of reference: Ragged Glory, Weld (+ Arc, but only if you dare), Rust Never Sleeps, Tonight's The Night. But, I guess you're to young and too 'rebelious' to do that. Although, I'm sure you'll come around to it eventually. > Do I have a Headache now? Yes. give it up my mind will never change on my > opinion of Pearl Jam, unless they do something that changes my mind > drastically. Even if that happens I will never change my mind on thier > current material. All I can say is: I pity you for having so closed mind that you allow yourself to miss out on some great music, just because of your prejudice, and biting into the hype of 'alternative ethics'. - ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: (fwd) Dew knows.. > I was listening to Temple of the dog today,(after our argument over > who contributed more) and Then I read this post and went over the > opening drum sequence in my head, and I thought: HOW IN GODS NAME DOES > HE PLAY THAT?? I thought he probably had some extra precussion help > from chris, but I read the album cover and he didn't. At the moment I That's what I though intially. But, it seems he manages it somehow all by himself. A demon. > talk about soundgarden. Like where does Matt hide the extra arms and > legs and Cerebral Cortexs it would require a normal human being to Maybe he got an operation and installed a few timer devices extra? :-) > play like that. I still cannot follow the drum track for jesus christ > pose, oh well I'm not a drummer. He has that incredible way of sneaking in toms and cymbals at half-bar, 3/4-bar and other weird places. I really have trouble keeping up with him in my head, he still manages to surprise and jump out of nowhere at me every time... Incredible. - ------------------------------ From: DEWGod Subject: Re: Pearl Jam never had >you got a couple of those mixed around. BRAD and MAD SEASONS' titles are >switched. but no matter!! i have all and all kick ass. the only one that >i would maybe not suggest that EVERYONE get is BRAD. stone is the >guitarist, but i think that it is all of his MelLoW PJ reject stuff. 20th As far as I know the story, Stone got together with some friends from high-school or something, who now play in Satchel. Satchel play that kind of groovy/jazzy stuff Stone is naturally inclined towards so they jammed together and did a one-off album in two weeks. A _great_ album at that... All members wrote the music, not only Stone. Com eto think of it, those are the same dudes Kim and Ben did Hater album with. >Century is a good one off of there, but all in all, you may get it and be I especially like Screen, for it's incredible henrixesque (Hi, Clown! ;) solo in it. And the bass work on the whole album is incredible. >like "hey, this is really peachy!!", but you'll be back to Badmotorfinger >in about an hour. Well, I guess it might not go along well with those that are more into harder, heavier stuff. But if you don't mind occasional funky/jazzy music, if you're into the groove, that's the album to get. BTW, has anyone got the lyrics to 'Shame'? I would kill to get them. - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Subject: ramblings 4... That's it, this is the last one... - ------------------------------ From: scsmeyri@ucsalf.ac.uk (stacy.meyrick) Subject: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. > MTV awards? Once a year, a bunch of egotistical cunts step out, win > awards for fuck all, and then thank their producer, nice one, the Hm... Didn't SG got an award last year? :-) > Neil Young? I thought he was dead. Well, it takes a rapidly becoming > "commercial" band like Pearl Jam to revive his career doesn't it? I > bet they'll sell a few more records indeed. Words 'Pearl Jam' don't appear anywhere on the album. And his career is far from need of revival. He produced some of his best work in the 90s. Ragged Glory, Sleeps with Angels, Mirror Ball. But I guees you too have no idea what you're talking about, so I won't go into it any further... - ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. Here I go again... :-) > my way channel surfing past MTV. If I was a MTV influenced music buyer I > would be praising Pearl Jam, and I would Be a big Live fan (even though Correct me if I'm wrong, but PJ haven't made a single video for any song in over a three years now. What's MTV got to do with them? They went out their way to stay out of MTV spotlight and leave room for other bands. PJ could have easily made a least six videos from Vs. and Vitalogy and be in your face all the time, and virtually steal all of what's left in the programming scheme for rock music (not much, really). But, instead they chose not to prostitute their work. I call that artistic integrity. Oh, I forgot, you _hate_ PJ, so you have to include them every time you put down something as a bad example. Never mind. - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) Subject: ramblings 2... Catching up on my back mail (I was out of town for a few days)... - ------------------------------ From: Mike Johnson Subject: Covers >Do any of you guys know when SG might be putting out a new release? Also, >do they do any Mother Love Bone covers in any shows or anything? I know >Chris and Andy Wood were good friends. Naahh... I don't thing MLB is a sort of music SG would play. - ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Theme Songs > My theme songs would be Either Fresh Tendrils Or Fourth Of July. Fresh Mine is definitely Fell On Black Days. - ------------------------------ From: anc11540@anc.ak.net (T.C.) Subject: Ultramega OK > I would just like to take a second to let everyone out there know that I >think Soundgarden (aka Chris Cornell) is the best band with the most talent Well, I disagree with SG=CC equation. Sure, CC is a major part of SG, but so are the other dudes. They all play an important role in the band, and all contribute to the music. SG wouldn't be the same without any of them. That beeing said, I would surely like to see a solo Cornell album, with more of those 'Seasons' kind of songs. - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ From: ThisRulz@aol.com Subject: Re: ramblings 5... i read in a rolling stone interview with chris that when he was about 13 he was really into heroin and stuff, but then he said he had bad experiences and quit at age 14. ------------------------------ From: ThisRulz@aol.com Subject: remember when...... everyone was talking about themes, i can remember than when them had something to do with religion and was wondering did anyone put done the lines from exit stonehenge. ------------------------------ From: bgable@isi.com (Bob Gable) Subject: Re: sndgrdn fans At 03:56 PM 9/11/95 -0400, nancy e phend wrote: >members of the band (set me back $250 but it was worth it). Sorry i'm >rambling. Back to my point. Am I the only fan out here that is over 30? >Pls say it isn't so. I'll also come out of the closet as an over-30 Soundgarden fan :-) I'll also admit my musical tastes are probably much different than the typical member of this list. I used to listen to rock (and play jazz) in my teens and early twenties. Then, I spent several years listening to blues, and then the last 10 years listening to classical and world music. As a result, I've heard nothing from any bands even remotely like Soundgarden in say the last decade. But then this year, I found myself again listening to "dinosaur rock" aka Led Zeppelin. Then, on a whim earlier this summer, I bought Superunknown. And found myself absolutely overwhelmed with the music and I haven't listened to much of anything else since. Bob p.s. "True" Soundgarden fans don't unsubscribe from this list :-) - --- Bob Gable aka bgable@isi.com http://www.isi.com Integrated Systems Palo Alto/101/Santa Clara (408) 980 1500 x385 ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBAzooka) Subject: RE: ramblings 4... >That's it, this is the last one... >------------------------------ >From: scsmeyri@ucsalf.ac.uk (stacy.meyrick) >Subject: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. > MTV awards? Once a year, a bunch of egotistical cunts step out, win > awards for fuck all, and then thank their producer, nice one, the >Hm... Didn't SG got an award last year? :-) > Neil Young? I thought he was dead. Well, it takes a rapidly becoming > "commercial" band like Pearl Jam to revive his career doesn't it? I > bet they'll sell a few more records indeed. >Words 'Pearl Jam' don't appear anywhere on the album. And his career is >far from need of revival. He produced some of his best work in the 90s. >Ragged Glory, Sleeps with Angels, Mirror Ball. But I guees you too have >no idea what you're talking about, so I won't go into it any further... - ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. Here I go again... :-) > my way channel surfing past MTV. If I was a MTV influenced music buyer I > would be praising Pearl Jam, and I would Be a big Live fan (even though >Correct me if I'm wrong, but PJ haven't made a single video for any song >in over a three years now. What's MTV got to do with them? They went out >their way to stay out of MTV spotlight and leave room for other bands. >PJ could have easily made a least six videos from Vs. and Vitalogy and >be in your face all the time, and virtually steal all of what's left in >the programming scheme for rock music (not much, really). But, instead >they chose not to prostitute their work. I call that artistic integrity. >Oh, I forgot, you _hate_ PJ, so you have to include them every time you >put down something as a bad example. Never mind. Your missing the point, I have seen 2 different Soundgarden Video's a total of five times, and that was because I was watching alternative nation. I have seen pearl Jam video's several times channel surfing, I have probably seen them all. There are some soundgarden videos I'd like to see but MTV never shows them. Thats the point, I buy soundgarden albums because friend brandon bought the CD, I read all the lyrics to Superunknown heard the Fourth Of July and Bought it a half-hour later. I do not buy albums because of high MTV airplay. If you had read the whole contex of the message instead of focusing on the pearl jam part, You would have got the point. Clown - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ From: "Si tu pouvais savoir..." Subject: SG's tantrums I've got to disagree with those who think Ben's tantrum justified. Unless the fans were attacking him, which I seriously doubt, Ben had no justification for spitting on them.They came and paid their hard earned money to see the band, and he spits on them? Part of Ben's paycheck is coming from these very same fans. I don't think a little gratitude would hurt him. ------------------------------ From: "Si tu pouvais savoir..." Subject: Jason Everman-peacock or not? I just finished reading "Come as you are", the Nirvana biography. As I'm sure you all know, Everman was briefly a member of Nirvana as well as Soundgarden. The other members of Nirvana disliked him just as the other guys in Soundgarden did. Kurt Cobain is quoted as saying that onstage Everman was like "a peacock on amphetamines" In other words, his preening and strutting onstage was more appropriate to one of those hair farmer bands, like Poison. Did anyone on here see Soundgarden or Nirvana while Everman was a member, and would you say Kurt's opinion was accurate? ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Way to go, Clown dill95@dtek.chalmers wrote: >>SOUNDGARDEN IS SHIT, LONG LIVE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then Clown wrote: >.................So as a correction to your statement no soundgarden is not shit. >Please refrain from thease comments in the future. > Thank You > Clown With Bazooka > P.S. GET THE FUCK OFF OUR LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, that PS at the end (and I almost didn't see it) made me laugh. :^) Just had to let you all know that! But Daniel Rosendahl is right when he suggests we ignore these kind of dumb-ass statements in future.................. Carolyn the mf ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: We all should help Stacy find...... a band like Clown described: >On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, stacy.meyrick wrote: >> Soundgarden, best band with the most talent? There's more than one >> band out there you know. On 14 September 1995, Clown wrote: > Secondly Ms Myrick, If you can find a band with...............[etc. etc.] > AND ALL OF THE ABOVE AFOREMENTIONED SOUNDGARDEN LIKE >TALENTS HAVE TO BE INCLUDED AND HAVE TO BE HIGHER IN >MAGNITUDE THAN THE AFOREMENTIONED'S MUSICAL SKILLS............ And GET THIS!! - Clown then wrote: >IF YOU SUCCEED I WILL GO OUT AND BUY ALL OF PEARL JAM'S >ALBUMS AND LISTEN TO THEM DAILY. > CLOWN. Well howdeedoo, don't ya reckon it'd be worth finding a band with all Soundgarden's talents (and more) just to know that our dear Clown is making himself listen to PJs albums EVERY DAY when we know how PAINFUL that would be for him?!! haha hehe giggle :-) just kidding, Clown - nothing personal of course.................. {and for those who don't know - I LIKE pj so don't let's start another war here} Keep rockin' Carolyn the Music Freak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When I hand my love in I'll be done" "Save it, just keep it off my wave" "And my youth I pray to keep" **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 46] ***************************************