From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 13 Sep 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 01:07:38 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 13 Sep 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Re: OLD sg fans?? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 12 Sep 1995 Re: (fwd) Soundgarde song -Reply Re: sndgrdn fans A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. Re: sndgrdn fans Re: Lyle Lovett? Re: Lyle Lovett? Re: Lyle Lovett? Music Re: OLD sg fans?? Want Sub Life soundgarden=gods Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. Re: Music Help me! Re: Music Re: big weekends/Jamie's birthday Re: Ultramega OK Re: Stacy/MTV driven idiots eleven? Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: OLD sg fans?? On 11 September Nancy wrote: > Lately there have been a lot of posts about teenie bopper music, going >back to school and not being able to go to concerts because of being >underage...... >Am I the only fan out here that is over 30? >Pls say it isn't so. And Jamie wrote: >It's not so! But I have a feeling we are few and far between. >....... Music is timeless and ageless - just because your not 16 anymore >doesn't mean your taste in music automatically changes. ......... >I got my first rock n' roll album at age 12 and God willing I'll get my last >when I'm 112!!!!!!!!!! And Clown wrote: > I don't know if it's true or not, but lets not forget that Kim, Matt and > Chris are all over 30 (Kim being the oldest at 35)........ Nancy, I'm not one who's over 30, but I'm afraid to say I'm closer to 30 than 20.......................... It kinda gave me a shock when I also saw somebody on the list complaining that they couldn't get into a concert for over 18s. I guess I assumed I was in the majority - aged between 20 and 30. But it seems I'm not! Jamie is right. Music tastes don't necessarily age!! And I just love her last sentence...............can we all come to your 112th birthday, Jamie? I'll even buy you a rock n' roll album!! Keep on rockin' everyone (young & old) ~ {and remember you're only as old as you feel} Carolyn the Music Freak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When I hand my love in I'll be done" "Save it, just keep it off my wave" "And my youth I pray to keep" **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: heaton@ix.netcom.com (Sid Heaton) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 12 Sep 1995 >On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Steve Koca wrote: > >> I was looking through one of my SG cd covers and noticed that Ben Sheppard >> looks like Lyle Lovett anyone else think so? all thoughts and opinions welcome. >> That ecksplains it! I've always found myself ruminating about the eerie resonance between Lyle's "I Love Everybody," and the Hater album. For a while, I tried to brush off the nods to the Violent Femmes on the Hater album to ringworm, dysentery, and/or an abiding respect for OJ's acting in, "Goldie and the Boxer." It didn't work. I was disquieted. I was confused. And this explains it...Lyle and Ben are one! The duet so perfect that they saw no need for trinity. Can dig. I fully expect Lyle's next album to have an ode to his lost love, Julia, closely following the melody to "Who Do I Kill," on the Hater album. As for other messages (yeah, I'm a digest guy)...it positively slays me that anyone other than matt cameron can play a matt cameron drum line. To the feller whose friend can play J.C.P on traps...my wholehearted salute. Not an easy task. For my money, Mr. Cameron is the best going these days. For me, it's that premium on musicianship that makes Soundgarden to top o' the heap. No one else in the game can come close to approaching their chops. The boys can flat play. I'd say more, buy my cat just left a big ole turd on my desk, and it smells something fierce. To the kleenex, my liege! To the kleenex! Now, I wouldn't mind, If you swallowed my pride, sid ------------------------------ From: Daniel Ladle Subject: Re: (fwd) Soundgarde song -Reply I have Louder than love on CD and it has get on the snake on it. I didn't think it was wierd at the time...........Is it? Dan ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: sndgrdn fans Actually, it's great to see people older than me on this list. I'm 25, and I thought I was probably they greybeard. Greg ***************************************** *** Hello, don't you know me? *** *** I'm the dirt beneath your feet. *** *** --------------------------------- *** *** Greg Bensimon *** ***************************************** ------------------------------ From: scsmeyri@ucsalf.ac.uk (stacy.meyrick) Subject: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. Why are people so concerned about Chris Cornell's lyrics, i mean okay, so you don't understand them all, but does it really matter. The concept of lyrics is to make your own conclusions, and if you want, relate to it. What Chris Cornell thinks is irrelevent. Why are clubs so shit? Depends who you ask doesn't it? MTV awards? Once a year, a bunch of egotistical cunts step out, win awards for fuck all, and then thank their producer, nice one, the only group of people they have to thank is the people who buy their records because they're the ones who put them there - and they don't even get to select the candidates or winners for the majority of awards. So how the fuck does that figure? Mad Season? Oh yes, a fine band indeed. Neil Young? I thought he was dead. Well, it takes a rapidly becoming "commercial" band like Pearl Jam to revive his career doesn't it? I bet they'll sell a few more records indeed. Soundgarden, best band with the most talent? There's more than one band out there you know. Seeing as though I've just appointed myself as Mr. Opinion then I'll tell all of you that don't own it to run out and buy Foo Fighters, if they got a bit more play on MTV most of you probably would. ------------------------------ From: "Julia Thiel" Subject: Re: sndgrdn fans Jamie said - > I will not apologize for my love of rock music or SG. There isn't a problem > with liking Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, or Arrowsmith when it came to a > person age. WHY should SG be any different? Music is timeless and ageless - Timeless and ageless indeed!! A nod of agreement from yet another over 30 Soundgarden fan. And - >Most of the people my age, and the people I work with, think I have a screw >loose because I like a rock group that is popular with generation X (God I hate >labels). Don't you just hate that attitude? Both that labeling thing and that attitude that you're just way too ancient to enjoy good music. Grrrr! Julia Emancipate your self from mental slavery None but our selves can free our mind -Bob Marley ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Lyle Lovett? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Steve Koca wrote: >> I was looking through one of my SG cd covers and noticed that Ben Sheppard >> looks like Lyle Lovett anyone else think so? all thoughts and opinions welcome. > > Ben IS Lyle Lovett!!! > > Jeff > OK, so I must defend my man Ben again. First off, his musical ability - he can play a fine bass and his guitar work in Hater is nothing short of great. Ben writing is good and he will get better as he matures (lets not forget he is the baby in the group - just turning 27 this Sept. 20th). Maybe this is why he reacts badly to certain situations that happens at a concert. Now on this looks issue. If you all remember I started a rocky posting about looks a few weeks ago that cause most of our male member to shutter (talking about looks is such a girlie thing). Blind Dog did ask me at that time if I though Ben look like Lyle. Well I guess he does in certain pictures. But I have created two BMP of Ben that he in no way looks like Lyle. We all know that Chris is the big female draw of the group - dark, brooding, and sexy! And I agree Chris is very good looking (in most pictures), but Ben just does it for me. And lets not forget who Lyle is married to! Men who look like Lyle usually have very fine lady's. I also think that J of the White Zombies looks like Chris. But my 14 year old niece thinks that Chris looks meaner than J. Chris would probably love that remark, he so does enjoy being on the wrong side of reason. Jamie ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Lyle Lovett? On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Steve Koca wrote: > I was looking through one of my SG cd covers and noticed that Ben Sheppard > looks like Lyle Lovett anyone else think so? all thoughts and opinions welcome . > > > steve < Ben IS Lyle Lovett!!! < Jeff Ben is not Lyle Lovett!!! and In regards to the Ben throwing Tantrums thing, Ben did not throw a tantrum either time that i saw them live. Secondly I do not believe that a Musician should be completely Civil to fans that are being assholes toward him. I'm a fairly calm and easy going person but I would become very irritated very rapidly if someone was harrassing me during a show. A show is a two way street, the Artist has a responsibility to put on a good show, and at the same time the fan should respect the artist enough to allow him to perform. As for his song writing I love it, half was a little strange but lets not forget the man is weird. But I personally hope his song writing improves if he could write a better song than head down, I'd be in heaven. Clown ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Lyle Lovett? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > Ben is not Lyle Lovett!!! and In regards to the Ben throwing Tantrums > thing, Ben did not throw a tantrum either time that i saw them live. > Secondly I do not believe that a Musician should be completely Civil to > fans that are being assholes toward him. I'm a fairly calm and easy going > person but I would become very irritated very rapidly if someone was > harrassing me during a show. A show is a two way street, the Artist has a > responsibility to put on a good show, and at the same time the fan should > respect the artist enough to allow him to perform. As for his song writing > I love it, half was a little strange but lets not forget the man is weird. > But I personally hope his song writing improves if he could write a better > song than head down, I'd be in heaven. > Clown > Way to go Clown, maybe the reason I like Ben and his music so much is because (as you say) he's WEIRD. I have always had a problem with middle of the road normal - especially in the rock world. Music (rock) should always be right on the edge, ready to fall into the abyss of the unknown. As far as his writing goes, he will create some really good music in the future - write it down - when he creates a really big hit for SG/Hater, we can say I predicted it. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Daniel Ladle Subject: Music Dear all, I posted a similar message to this some months ago but by the amount of mail I get now I would suspect the list has increased in size somewhat since then. Can you all play any instruments and if so what? For how long? and how well? I'm a guitar and piano man myself and play both whenever I get the chance. See you Dan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: OLD sg fans?? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Jamie is right. Music tastes don't necessarily age!! And I just love her >last sentence...............can we all come to your 112th birthday, Jamie? >I'll even buy you a rock n' roll album!! > >Carolyn the Music Freak You all have a standing invite to my 112 birthday party, that's if I make it. A few weekends like this last one and I'll be lucky to reach my next birthday. Your never to old to rock n' roll, party, or take on big bad garbage dumpsters with your Jeep. Thanks to all the good people on this list who send back supporting comments. It's nice to know SG fans are above the pettiness of age, race, and sex barriers. We love the music and that's all that matters. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Montz Michael M Subject: Want Sub Life How can I get a copy of Sub Life?I can't find it any where.Is it possible to mail to the record company and get a copy?Any ideas let me know. Macbane ------------------------------ From: EJ Fry Subject: soundgarden=gods like my homie DEWGod, i too am chillin in the town of Boulder, CO witing for Chris and friends to drop by. in the meanwhile i am listining to much louder than love, badmotorfinger and superunknown. yes, i am the kid who's band is opening for Dave Matthews, thank you very much. im scared shitless. anyways, back to soundgarden. i saw em at the greek theatre in Berekeley, CA. they couldent turn up all the way and it sucked. Ben kicked out the monitor speakers towards the audience for more volume. it was cool. see ya DEWsciple ------------------------------ From: DEWGod Subject: Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. foo fighters is one of the WORST crap-ass bands that i have heard come out in the last few months. dumb shit dave grohl should stick to his drumming and find some guys who can actually write again. among their horrible friends are bush, hum, and the toadies. if any of these bands had the amount of musical talent that Chris has in his little toe i might consider buying it. by the way, speaking of new releases==the new red hot chili boys album came out last night. get that before you even THINK of touching the foo fighters. it really is kick ass. sorry about the "heat" of this letter, but i don't appreciate ANYONE telling anybody, especially on this list, that if something is overplayed on Mtv that we'll all rush out and buy it because now it's "cool". not everyone around here is an Mtv driven idiot like you think we are. RDA On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, stacy.meyrick wrote: > Why are people so concerned about Chris Cornell's lyrics, i mean okay, > so you don't understand them all, but does it really matter. The > concept of lyrics is to make your own conclusions, and if you want, > relate to it. What Chris Cornell thinks is irrelevent. > > Why are clubs so shit? Depends who you ask doesn't it? > > MTV awards? Once a year, a bunch of egotistical cunts step out, win > awards for fuck all, and then thank their producer, nice one, the > only group of people they have to thank is the people who buy their > records because they're the ones who put them there - and they don't > even get to select the candidates or winners for the majority of awards. > So how the fuck does that figure? > > Mad Season? Oh yes, a fine band indeed. > > Neil Young? I thought he was dead. Well, it takes a rapidly becoming > "commercial" band like Pearl Jam to revive his career doesn't it? I > bet they'll sell a few more records indeed. > > Soundgarden, best band with the most talent? There's more than one > band out there you know. > > Seeing as though I've just appointed myself as Mr. Opinion then I'll tell > all of you that don't own it to run out and buy Foo Fighters, if they > got a bit more play on MTV most of you probably would. > > ------------------------------ From: DEWGod Subject: Re: Music ok, to answer the instrument/age thing. i am 19 and have played guitar for a plethora of years. one day i too shall have a band and tour the world. so many bands out there that have come out recently just aren't any good. i mean, who was the last REALLY good band to come out and stay out? ryan On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Daniel Ladle wrote: > Dear all, > I posted a similar message to this some months ago but by the > amount of mail I get now I would suspect the list has increased in size > somewhat since then. > Can you all play any instruments and if so what? For how long? and how > well? > I'm a guitar and piano man myself and play both whenever I get the > chance. > > See you > > Dan > > > ------------------------------ From: anc11540@anc.ak.net (T.C.) Subject: Help me! Can anyone tell me how to quote something in the digest? I want to respond to alot of stuff I see, but don't know how.. any help would be appreciated.. -one each big fan Tom ------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Music ME? I play keyboards (KORG M1 and 200W amplifier to boot) and I'm not too far away from getting a guitar. I can play drums (although I am not a drummer as such)! Hope someone is interested... Jackhammer. At 04:08 PM 9/12/95 +0000, Daniel Ladle wrote: >Dear all, > I posted a similar message to this some months ago but by the >amount of mail I get now I would suspect the list has increased in size >somewhat since then. > Can you all play any instruments and if so what? For how long? and how >well? > I'm a guitar and piano man myself and play both whenever I get the >chance. > > See you > > Dan > > > ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: big weekends/Jamie's birthday On 12 September 1995, I wrote: >>Jamie is right. Music tastes don't necessarily age!! And I just love her >>last sentence...............can we all come to your 112th birthday, Jamie? >>I'll even buy you a rock n' roll album!! >>Carolyn the Music Freak And on the same day Jamie wrote: >You all have a standing invite to my 112 birthday party, that's if I make it. >A few weekends like this last one and I'll be lucky to reach my next birthday. >Jamie Wow, Jamie, big weekends must be the rage all around the world. For I had a HUGE one (hence my suggestion of listening to Limo Wreck for hangovers yesterday) down here in Australia - I was in Melbourne for the weekend and partied pretty hard. Anyway, I just wanted you to know that I'll be at your 112th with bells on!!!! Carolyn the Music Freak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When I hand my love in I'll be done" "Save it, just keep it off my wave" "And my youth I pray to keep" **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Ultramega OK I saw a copy of BMF/SOMMS in Victoria BC at a used record store for $40 Canadian during my vacation. I didn't buy it 'cause I already had it. I guess I could have made some cash if I bought it and sold it, oh well. Chris Mackenzie "Leaves growing blood hungry leeches and your fresh deadly roses" - Soundgarden "He caught wind of the big brown beaver so he thought he'd take himself a peek, but the beaver was quick and grabbed him by the kiwis and he ain't pissed for a week (and a half)" - Primus "I know you well, you are a part of me" - TOOL ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Subject: Re: Stacy/MTV driven idiots On 12 September 1995, Stacy Meyrick wrote: >> Seeing as though I've just appointed myself as Mr. Opinion then I'll tell >> all of you that don't own it to run out and buy Foo Fighters, if they >> got a bit more play on MTV most of you probably would. Then DEWGod wrote: >foo fighters is one of the WORST crap-ass bands....... > >by the way, speaking of new releases==the new red hot chili boys album >came out last night. get that before you even THINK of touching the foo >fighters. it really is kick ass. > >sorry about the "heat" of this letter, but i don't appreciate ANYONE >telling anybody, especially on this list, that if something is overplayed >on Mtv that we'll all rush out and buy it because now it's "cool". >not everyone around here is an Mtv driven idiot like you think we are. Hmmmm, interesting. I actually had the Foo Fighters album on my list of things to buy..............after Tumbleweed's new one (that will only have meaning to the Aussies on this list), a Soundgarden old one, the Singles soundtrack, and of course RHCP's "One Hot Minute". Good to see there are varied opinions out there! {would be a rather dull world if we were all the same}. ANYWAY, I wasn't going to bother responding to Stacy's note even though I also took offense when I read her last paragraph, but after seeing DEWGod's response I thought I'd add mine to his (hope you're a he, DEWGod!! sorry if you're not). Because I'm also not an MTV driven idiot! (we don't even get MTV down here btw). Don't put people in categories, Stacy - what made you think that if any band got a bit more play on MTV most of us probably would go out & buy their albums??????? Carolyn the Music Freak but not mindless buyer of 'popular' music!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When I hand my love in I'll be done" "Save it, just keep it off my wave" "And my youth I pray to keep" **SOUNDGARDEN** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: fe666@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles Cortez) Subject: eleven? does anyone know where the band eleven is from? i am not sure if they are from seattle or somewhere else... - -- >From the collective desks of: | 1994 Need For Speed- Charles Cortez Trent Michaels | Purple Haze biking Terri Wengel Nicole McFee | team Chris Iacofano | **-/TREK BIKES\-** ------------------------------ From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: A lot of things to say and not enough time to say it. >sorry about the "heat" of this letter, but i don't appreciate ANYONE >telling anybody, especially on this list, that if something is overplayed >on Mtv that we'll all rush out and buy it because now it's "cool". >not everyone around here is an Mtv driven idiot like you think we are. > >RDA Amen Brother!!!! I admitt I started listening to Soundgarden during the summer that black hole sun came out however I saw the video once and liked the song but I did not run out and buy it because of that song. I bought the album later on in the fall when I started college I heard Limo Wreck, the TDITTL and Fourth OF July and Fresh Tendrills thats what made me run out and buy it. I rarely watch MTV. I did not watch it from freshman year in high school untill my freshman year in college and that was because I loved the live version of fell on black days. Personally I have a tendency to dislike bands that are popular, Most of the music I listen to I heard of through friends. I have to admitt there are a few bands I started listening to through MTV but it takes a damn good song to make me stop on my way channel surfing past MTV. If I was a MTV influenced music buyer I would be praising Pearl Jam, and I would Be a big Live fan (even though all there songs have the same basic musical and Lyrical structure) So don't Ever think I'm a Mtv influenced Idiot. Clown With Bazooka ******************************************************************* Shame Shame Throw Yourself Away Give Me Little Bits Of More Than I Can Take If It Sits Upon Your Tongue Or Naked In Your Eyes Give Me Little Bits Of More Than I Can Try -Soundgarden ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 44] ***************************************