From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 4 Sep 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 02:10:20 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 4 Sep 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Re: The "cold sun" conspiracy Re: The "cold sun" conspiracy black hole sun The "cold sun" conspiracy Re: Offspring Re: The "cold sun" conspiracy (fwd) Re: Soundgarden Dig Cornell Re:Rocktropolis atomic theme (fwd) Re: Soundgarden Dig (fwd) Re: The "cold sun" conspiracy Re: atomic theme who here owns a limo? Wreckage Pearl Jam, AGAIN?? I like these rantings & ravings ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 14:37:54 +1000 (EST) From: Avatar To: Soundgarden Mailing List Subject: Re: The "cold sun" conspiracy On Fri, 1 Sep 1995 gstanway@you.wincom.net wrote: > Okay... let's see... the way I see it, the entire song "4th of July" is a > metaphor for the horrors of nuclear holocaust. Using Hiroshima as an example, > lets go thru lyrics: MOST OF MESSAGE DELETED... > "...light a Roman candle and hold it in your hand.."--symbolizes the utter > futility of attempting to harness such destructive properties in a safe, > sensible manner > > Sorry if that was overlong, but that about covers it! :) > > Glenn > Yep, that sounds right.. I thought it was about nuclear armageddon, but I never associated it with Hiroshima. Thanks for the brilliant flash of insight... - - Brad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 10:14:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Chris Mackenzie To: Avatar Cc: Soundgarden Mailing List Subject: Re: The "cold sun" conspiracy I read in an interview in a magazine where CC said that 4th of July was about an acid trip he was on. I could quote it if you ask. Though the Nuclear Holocaust idea sounds a lot better. Chris Mackenzie "Leaves growing blood hungry leeches and your fresh deadly roses" - Soundgarden "He caught wind of the big brown beaver so he thought he'd take himself a peek, but the beaver was quick and grabbed him by the kiwis and he ain't pissed for a week (and a half)" - Primus "I know you well, you are a part of me" - TOOL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:12:45 -0400 From: LEM89@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: black hole sun To Clown with Bazooka: re MTV playing soundgarden vids - HELLO! Where were you last summer?? MTV played Black Hole Sun TO DEATH. IT was like everyother song! And yes, it was a number one hit - early in the summer, 1994. BTW, anybody ever seen the band Inflatable Soule? Chris's brother Peter is the frontman, and two Cornell sisters, Katy and Suzy, sing back up. It is nothing like SG, though Peter resembles his brother... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 13:30:17 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: The "cold sun" conspiracy To: somms@MIT.EDU >I read in an interview in a magazine where CC said that 4th of July was >about an acid trip he was on. I could quote it if you ask. Though the >Nuclear Holocaust idea sounds a lot better. >Chris Mackenzie Alright, I Clown with Bazooka have decided that we should just abandon this whole fourth of July analysis, perhaps we should pick up another song Limo Wreck anyone?, Room A Thousand Years Wide? In the future howver I think that we should just limit these analysis to the exchange of idea's not dwell on them for weeks. Because as I can see by the above example only the artist really knows what the songs is about. So perhaps we should focus on the appreciation of the lyrics themselves and what the song means to us, And looking at the themes within the songs. This whole cold sun thing has gotten ridiculous, I am receiving replies to the original message that was sent weeks Ago so lets just terminate the whole thing. Clown With Bazooka "Leaves growing blood hungry leeches and your fresh deadly roses" - Soundgarden "He caught wind of the big brown beaver so he thought he'd take himself a peek, but the beaver was quick and grabbed him by the kiwis and he ain't pissed for a week (and a half)" - Primus "I know you well, you are a part of me" - TOOL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:23:38 -0230 (NDT) From: Tony Dawe To: Minerva657@aol.com Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Offspring On Mon, 28 Aug 1995 Minerva657@aol.com wrote: > someone wrote saying noodles was a kindergarten teacher... > > nope, he was a janitor :) > > --yellers > i knew it was something about school. i go back on wensday, when does evry one else go back? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Tony Dawe /\ \/gbf2033@infonet.st-johns.nf.ca \/ /\St.Johns InfoNET /\ \/"I am you, you are me, \/ /\ no one is themselves" /\ \/"I am the law" \/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 08:57:55 +1000 (EST) From: Avatar To: Soundgarden Mailing List Subject: Re: The "cold sun" conspiracy On Sun, 3 Sep 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > Alright, I Clown with Bazooka have decided that we should just abandon > this whole fourth of July analysis, perhaps we should pick up another song > Limo Wreck anyone?, Room A Thousand Years Wide? In the future howver I > think that we should just limit these analysis to the exchange of idea's > not dwell on them for weeks. Because as I can see by the above example > only the artist really knows what the songs is about. So perhaps we should > focus on the appreciation of the lyrics themselves and what the song means > to us, And looking at the themes within the songs. This whole cold sun > thing has gotten ridiculous, I am receiving replies to the original > message that was sent weeks Ago so lets just terminate the whole thing. > Clown With Bazooka Gee, we're just experimenting with our creative interpretation of the lyrics and comparing them with each other... no need to get psycho, it's better than the chain letters and unsibscribe messages!!! Limo Wreck sounds like it's pretty much about the end of the world (or the end of SOMETHING, anyway...) I'll go listen to it lots of times, have a think and post the results of my meditations. Have fun Clown... - - Avatar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 01:34:13 +0100 From: jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr (Jovica Popovic) To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: (fwd) Re: Soundgarden Dig Disclaimer: Lord knows I tried hard to stay away from this 'discussion', but I can't take it no more. > If they get paid the same regardless why rush the damn album? There > still going to get paid. Secondly a majority of artists get royalties Vitalogy was more than three months LATE! It wasn't a rushed job in any sense of the word. Don't write about things you don't know. > royalties per album sold. Third if they just cared about the music(The > whole ticketmaster thing) they would have waited to sign with a major > label that offered a contract to benefit them. Since soundgarden went What do _you_ or anybody here know about Pearl Jam's contract and what's written in it? Geez... You are actually arguing about things you have absolutely no knowledge about... Get a grip. > as propaganda. Btw, I will keep knocking Pearl Jam untill I see fit to > stop. Yeah, don't let that overwhelming ignorance stop you... You actually really _hate_ Pearl Jam? Well, I guess it's a popular thing to do. Throw your hatred down... - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jun 1994 17:12:43 -0700 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: anc11540@anc.ak.net (T.C.) Subject: Cornell I was reading a mag the other day and it said that while Soundgarden was on tour recently, Chris Cornell had a vocal problem.. I do not know if this is true, but if anyone knows anything, please fill me in!! Thanks and don't let this list die! Tommy Curry ------------------------------ From: Sam Lukowski To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:23:44 GMT+1000 Subject: Re:Rocktropolis Hey, I just tried to get into Rocktropolis (the Soundgarden bit) and it has got really full on stuff. It's the real shit, man. Knights of the Soundtable info, you can email the band, and other good shit too. So in reply to the person who was asking if anyone had problems getting into it, NO WAY MAN, NOT ONE!!! Sam ------------------------------ From: "VASANT RAMAMURTHY" Subject: atomic theme To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:34:01 -0600 (CDT) I think there is another atomic theme during the song "Fopp (Dub)". During the song, there is talk about "odor of scorched flesh permeated the air" and some woman with a Japanese name is talking. Anybody know where this is from? Vasant - -- Vasant Ramamurthy vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu Vasant.Ramamurthy@launchpad.unc.edu Check out http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html !! "Life's a bummer when you're a hummer" - Hummer-Smashing Pumpkins ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 21:57:08 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: (fwd) Re: Soundgarden Dig To: somms@MIT.EDU >What do _you_ or anybody here know about Pearl Jam's contract and what's >written in it? Geez... You are actually arguing about things you have >absolutely no knowledge about... Get a grip All anyone has to do to find out is to see if the members of the band have publishing companies for their music. Or if it says on the album jacket that all the songs are copyrighted and published by the record company. >Yeah, don't let that overwhelming ignorance stop you... You actually >really _hate_ Pearl Jam? Well, I guess it's a popular thing to do. I don't hate the band members personally however I rather dislike thier music. Not being a fan of Pearl Jam is harldy popular. If it was people would not try to talk me into being a fan everytime I say I cannot stand them like I'm insane or something. Clown - -----------------------//----------------------------------+------------------ Jovica Popovic \\ // AMIGA: An Instrument for creative,| Official United jpop@mapmf.pmfst.hr \X/ free-thinking individuals among us.| Nations opinions Summary: | enforced by UN Anarchist, rocker, vegetarian, nonsmoking, drug-free Amigan| Security Council - -----------------------------------------------------------+------------------ * Q-Blue jr. * ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 21:51:37 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: (fwd) Re: The "cold sun" conspiracy To: somms@MIT.EDU >Gee, we're just experimenting with our creative interpretation of the >lyrics and comparing them with each other... no need to get psycho, >it's better than the chain letters and unsibscribe messages!!! Sorry, it was just annoying getting 10 messages a day telling me that the sun is not cold. But it was still better than chain letters and unsuscribe messages. >Limo Wreck sounds like it's pretty much about the end of the world (or >the end of SOMETHING, anyway...) I'll go listen to it lots of times, have >a think and post the results of my meditations. I personally think that Limo Wreck is about people putting there faith in false idols, who are just as suceptible to the everyday problems we all face and blaming those idols for when things go wrong even though they are not responsible. Because control of those things belongs to a higher power. ie "Building the towers belongs to the sky when the whole thing comes crashing down don't ask me why" Secondly by putting all your faith in false idols will lead to your downfall "I'm the wreck of you I'm the death of you all" I just got finished listening to the album all the way through and thats my take on limo Wreck. I welcome everyone to write back and tell me how they interpret it. But please no more the sun is not cold messages. Clown With Bazooka >Have fun Clown... I will. - - Avatar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:13:51 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: VASANT RAMAMURTHY Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: atomic theme On Sun, 3 Sep 1995, VASANT RAMAMURTHY wrote: > I think there is another atomic theme during the song "Fopp (Dub)". During the > song, there is talk about "odor of scorched flesh permeated the air" and some > woman with a Japanese name is talking. Anybody know where this is from? that song always seemed to make me think of vietnam. isn't there gunfire in the background? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:30:57 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: ClownWithBazooka Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: who here owns a limo? the song limo wreck is about the entire world order crashing down, mostly in the vein of new damage from badmotorfinger. I read an interview where chris was describing why he wrote it. the band were travelling down the freeway in what was probably some old beat-up car, and a big limo drove past them. chris was wondering about the limo and its big tinted windows, and what the people riding in the back seat thought of themselves. then he went on about seeing car pileups, and how you never see a limo involved. so the logical conclusion :) was to write a song railing against the establishment and their assumption of invulnerability and immortality, and how they too could end up as a piece of wrecked metal on the side of the expressway. just another tale of death and destruction, I guess. ...under the red break (brake?) of the lights... ...when the whole thing blows away, I won't pretend... ps. let me drown is about crawling back into the womb to die. did chris write this after hearing nirvana's in utero? :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 22:58:43 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Wreckage To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 22:57:37 EDT From: mrl5 (ClownWithBazooka) X-Mailer: SENDM [Version 2.0.15] X-ack: Please RSVP to this message to acknowledge that you have received it. Subject: Re: who here owns a limo? To: blind dog Blind Dog, I read that chris cornell interview also, I remember him saying something about how it would be really cool to see a bunch on Limos smashed together and burning on the side of the highway, because people don't realize that just because they or people they see are in a limo/rich doesn't mean that they are not just as suceptible to death by car accidents, earthquakes and drive by shootings. That we are just people with the same vulnerabilities. Hence my analysis on the belief in false idols/people in power/celbrities. "Swallowing rivers belongs to the sea, when the whole thing washes way don't run to me" However I agree with you totally on your idea of the world order crashing down. I just think my analysis is just another facet of that. I wonder does chris really think the wreck is going down and is trying to tell us something? Does he know something we don't? Clown Unloading His Bazooka ****************************************************************************** ......Shower in the dark day Clean Sparks Diving Down Cool in the water way Where the Baptized Drown Naked in the Cold Sun Breathing Life like Fire Thought I Was The Only One But That Was Just a Lie...... -Soundgarden ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 20:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Mercier Subject: Pearl Jam, AGAIN?? To: somms@MIT.EDU How did this turn into ANOTHER discussion about Pearl Jam? As far as royalities and contracts and "rushed" albums... I have to say, I really don't think that PJ is in need of a "quick buck". I saw enough people at the S.F. show to know that consumer dollars REALLY aren't a limited commodity. I mean, if you just took all the FRAT BOY dollars that were there, you could retire. So... are we really talking about money, or are we talking about integrity? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 15:15:05 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: Carolyn Subject: I like these rantings & ravings Over the weekend I spent a lot of time driving in my car on my own both before dawn & after dusk & each time I did so I listened to Superunknown. In particular Limo Wreck sounds great up loud and the dark atmosphere all around me as I drove made it all eerie & just, I dunno, perfect! Then I checked my mail this morning to see HEAPS of stuff on alternative music and song themes, and Limo Wreck was even mentioned. Couldn't let this go by without saying I really like our list & the fact that we all seem to interpret song lyrics differently. Just remember - it's good to have different ideas & interesting when someone sheds new light on songs. No one is right & no one is wrong! I'll certainly listen to Limo Wreck this arvo in my car when I knock off work (hanging out for knock-off time again, especially being a Monday), with a new insight....................... Oh yeah, and while I'm at it: 1. Jackhammer made some good points in his "Alternate Rant" message. 2. Greg Bensimon also made some good points even though it was too early in the morning for him. 3. Someone (sorry, can't remember who) suggested not listening to the radio anymore. I know why they said this, but agree with Clown, who suggested that if you can find a good station (I suggest Triple J for Aussies) then that's the way to find out about new music - but I also suggest good record stores cos then at least you can find out about new music that you actually like and not just the stuff some radio DJ likes. 4. Poor Clown wrote I will be so glad when alternative isn't trendy anymore. {my thoughts exactly, Clown}. Although we know we're not allowed to use that term anymore - just read all the rants & raves we got on the subject! 5. Avatar puts it all in a nutshell - "we're just experimenting with our creative interpretation of the lyrics and comparing them with each other". What fun! Catch ya later, sg addicts ~ ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 35] ***************************************