From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 2 Sep 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 01:14:54 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 2 Sep 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 1 Sep 1995 Alternate rant Re: Alternate rant Re: Re:Chris's Themes italian tour Alternative rant reading festival (fwd) Alternative rant Re: Re:Chris's Themes that weekly ranting thing The "cold sun" conspiracy Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 1 Sep 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 23:32:06 -0700 From: heaton@ix.netcom.com (Sid Heaton) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 1 Sep 1995 To: somms@MIT.EDU You wrote: > > Are you sure "Fuck You Up" isn't "Big Dumb Sex"? If it is definetly a >new song, hopefully it will be on the new CD w/ a big fat Parental Adivsory on >it to scare off the poser shits. > Are they playing "Big Dumb Sex" live anymore? I was at the Warfield show in San Francisco for the Badmotorfinger tour, and Cornell announced "Big Dumb Sex" by saying they were going to "retire this one for a while." Blowing smoke, or has anybody heard 'em play it on the "Superunknown" tour? You have a good day, it's not my fault. I know it hurts. sid ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 17:34:54 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Alternate rant Just while we're talking about the whole alternative thing, I thought I'd add my three penneth or so: 1. Alternative is a subjective term - it's like the term larger, it means different things to different people in different situations. To me, alternative means different to something - hence, alternative music to me means Mariah Carey stuff, to a Mariah Carey fan it means Soundgarden. I reckon scrap the whole term as trying to apply to a type of music - it makes no sense anymore. 2. Labelling a band "alternative" does not make that band good or bad - a label can be used to ill-effect at times. What I'm getting at is that a band can be liked or disliked by a group of people just due to it being called alternative, and this is not good - listen to the music and then decide. 3. It doesn't make a lick of difference to a band's music whether the band is alternative or not - take for instance, Soundgarden - Soundgarden's music is Soundgarden's music, regardless of whether they are alternative, pop, heavy metal, classical etc.etc. Hopefully this has made some sense, and I'd like to hear someone's comments, but please, don't fall into the trap of having to label bands and only like bands that fall into certain categories - OK? Jackhammer. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Don't mind me - I'm crazy! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 07:09:31 -0400 From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: Alternate rant To: somms@MIT.EDU On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, John Grieves wrote: > > > Just while we're talking about the whole alternative thing, I thought I'd > add my three penneth or so: > (etc, etc...) Don't get too caught up in this "alternative" label. Remember that in 1968, Led Zeppelin would have been considered alternetive... I think that if you want to put a label on the Soundgarden/Pearl Jam/STP genre, grunge (*shudder*) may be the best label. To me, grunge represents a style that is defined by high intensity: a hard-hitting drummer, blistering guitar riffs (with lots of clipping), and a raw, emotional voice up front. I think of "Grunge" as a backlash to the "Art Rock" and "Glam Rock" of the '70s and '80s. For my money, I believe that grunge is closer to the spirit of true Rock and Roll than either of the other previously mentioned styles. Oh by the way, in 1968 Yes would have been considered alternative too. (Shows you how descriptive a label like "alternative" really is...) I hope somewhere in this ranting something made sense. It's too early in the morning for me. GregB ------------------------------ From: "Raivo Hool" To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:18:09 +0300 (EETDST) Subject: Re: Re:Chris's Themes > > a couple. btw, how is naked in the cold sun a contradiction? Being naked does > try the sun being cold. the sun is usaly warm. try living in the northern countries, where it's usually under 10 degrees (celsius) and then speak of the sun being warm... (today it's luckily 25 degrees, unlike yesterday...) RAITZ I hide my dirty minutes under my dirty mattress and they are making me itch. My time is spilt milk. FNM, "Jizzlobber" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:28:30 +0200 (CET-DST) From: CROCE@wsde24.cern.ch To: SOMMS@MIT.EDU Subject: italian tour Hi, I have read on an italian newspaper that Soundgarden are going to play at "Festival dell'Unita`", a festival of "Partito Democratico della Sinistra", the former Italian Communist Party. I haven't heard of any other italian dates. Does anyone know anything about Soungarden's political opinions? Does anyone know the dates of the european tour? Luca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 08:28:38 -0400 From: Knyt@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Alternative rant Regarding the recent postings concerning the nature of alternative music I offer two suggestions: 1) Try to avoid listening to radio if at all possible - -- I have yet to find a station that doesn't run everything into the ground. A good CD player for the car is getting pretty affordable. 2) Don't change your opinion of a band because the become popular through no fault of their own. The record companies are responsible for all the hype. The exception here is the band that becomes *popular* and the music suffers for it, an allegation that can probably be made against Pearl Jam. Many people were saying Soundgarden *sold out* when Superunknown came out. Personally I think it shows growth as a band and I agree with the comment made by either Kim Thayil or Cornell in an article when the album first appeared -- its a very stony album. I also love the copyright publishing names: "You make me sick I make music" and "In one ear and out your mother." Knyt - ----------the wreck is going down---------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:38:25 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Davies To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: reading festival To anybody interested at the Reading Festival in Britain Soundgarden played an absolutely amazing cover of the Doors' Waiting for the Sun.If a bootleg becomes available with this on please let me know. From Stuart Davies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 10:45:37 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: (fwd) Alternative rant To: somms@MIT.EDU > Regarding the recent postings concerning the nature of alternative music I >offer two suggestions: 1) Try to avoid listening to radio if at all possible >-- I have yet to find a station that doesn't run everything into the ground. > A good CD player for the car is getting pretty affordable. 2) Don't change >your opinion of a band because the become popular through no fault of their >own. The record companies are responsible for all the hype. The exception >here is the band that becomes *popular* and the music suffers for it, an >allegation that can probably be made against Pearl Jam. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In my opinion the best way for a band to retain there artistic integrity if they become popular, is to make a video/release a single and dissapear off the face of the earth. After superunknown came out soundgarden dissapeared of the face of the earth for awhile. Your not going to see any MTV specials about soundgarden the same day one of there songs hits number 1.(If that ever happens) They make music do shows and thats it, they don't go out of there way to generate hype for themselves. You cannot call superunknown a sellout album, when Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobain are household names, and most people don't know who the fuck Chris Cornell is, Eddie takes a shit and Tabitha Soren is Telling you on MTV news 20 minutes later. Superunknown did not have the success of Green Days Dookie, (double meaning there) whenever my roommate was watching MTV last year I rarely saw soundgarden video's but I saw green day at least 10 times a day. Besides a sellout band wouldn't write dark inaccessible songs like mailman, limo wreck, etc. As for music classification, there is real music and there is shit. You have music created by talented musicians and then you have Paula Abdul. It's hard not to listen to the radio because thats where you hear new music. If a station just plays the latest "Alternative" cross over hits don't listen to it. If you find one thats playing Juliana Hatfield, Machines of Loving Grace and Kings X, it's a good station. Otherwise I guess I will just have to buy random Cd's in my search for new artists. I will be so glad when alternative isn't trendy anymore. Clown With Bazooka > Many people were saying Soundgarden *sold out* when Superunknown came out. > Personally I think it shows growth as a band and I agree with the comment >made by either Kim Thayil or Cornell in an article when the album first >appeared -- its a very stony album. > I also love the copyright publishing names: "You make me sick I make >music" and "In one ear and out your mother." Don't forget Ben Shepherds "Stupidities" >Knyt - ----------the wreck is going down---------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:49:27 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: Tony Dawe Cc: ClownWithBazooka , Avatar , somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Re:Chris's Themes On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Tony Dawe wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 1995, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > > > a couple. btw, how is naked in the cold sun a contradiction? Being naked does > > try the sun being cold. the sun is usaly warm. You guys are really obsessed with those fourth of july lyrics. I can't believe you are having such a big debate about being 'naked in the cold sun' It's a song about the aftermath of nuclear war, the cold sun Chris is referring to is most likely the sun obscured by the fallout after a nuclear explosion. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ From: "D ADRIAN M MAXEY" Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:12:09 -0500 To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: that weekly ranting thing First of all this is my first time writing, I'm kinda new to this. Please bear with me..... About Pearl Jam: I will admit, I am a serious Pearl Jam fan, and I thought "Ten" is one of the greatest albums ever (Of course this list seems to vary from my mellow moods to my Kill-everyone-except-me moods) We'll skip over Vs. for a while, and go to "Vitalogy"....yes, the guitarist was sick. yes they got a new drummer (again, for the 4th time) . But all of this was during production, not creation of the music. That's where the real music is, in creating it, and it is beautiful. So quit knockin' 'em! They've done a lot for Soundgarden, and vice versa (mostly vice versa) About the reoccuring-theme bands: Hopefully they'll fade away, and stop giving alternative music a bad name. Some bands have artistic ability, and emotion, but these just regurgatate what they know. About that-bitch (I can't even stand to say her name): Some of her song writing is good. Her music however, just doesn't reach out to me. I saw her at Lolapalooza, and she sucked, hardcore. End of story. Mad Season - Definately cool. "Wake Up" is great, and the way "Long Gone Day" brings in a sax is really wild. Filter - I like the disclaimer inside the CD about artists using computers and stuff. Good lyrics overall. Primus - Saw them in concert with Helmet as their opener. Les Claypool is the most incredible bassist I've ever seen (even if the music does suck). Be forwarned, the crowd was almost as insane as Les was. Seal - Always good for mellow moments. Drain :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:34:24 +0500 From: gstanway@you.wincom.net Subject: The "cold sun" conspiracy To: somms@MIT.EDU Okay... let's see... the way I see it, the entire song "4th of July" is a metaphor for the horrors of nuclear holocaust. Using Hiroshima as an example, lets go thru lyrics: "...cool in the waterway/where the baptized drown"--burn victims at Hiroshima tried to seek temporary relief in rivers, which soon became filled with dead bodies "naked in the cold sun/breathing life like fire"--the blast literally stripped the site "naked" (and trust me, the sun, blocked out by dust and ash, would be much colder than the explosion)... victims probably dealt with respiratory ailments, as well "..heard it in the wind...saw it in the sky...thought it was the end"--the sights and sounds of bombers, and the explosion itself "..the scared light cracks and disappears/and leaves the scorched ones here"--the sudden, bright flash caused by the A-bomb, and its subsequent burn and radiation victims "...and no one wants to speak about it.."--silence from the people behind the bomb's creation, perhaps from its unfathomed destruction?? "..Now I'm in control/now I'm in the FALLOUT"--the only time one can truly have control of such destruction is in the fallout (aftermath of radiation particles left from a nuclear explosion) "..once asleep but now I stand.."--the world must sit up and take notice of the horror that has been released "...light a Roman candle and hold it in your hand.."--symbolizes the utter futility of attempting to harness such destructive properties in a safe, sensible manner Sorry if that was overlong, but that about covers it! :) Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 15:09:12 +1000 (EST) From: Alex Lyberopoulos To: Sid Heaton Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 1 Sep 1995 They played it in Australia just before Superunknown was released, and it was great of course. On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Sid Heaton wrote: > You wrote: > > > > > Are you sure "Fuck You Up" isn't "Big Dumb Sex"? If it is > definetly a > >new song, hopefully it will be on the new CD w/ a big fat Parental > Adivsory on > >it to scare off the poser shits. > > > > Are they playing "Big Dumb Sex" live anymore? I was at the Warfield > show in San Francisco for the Badmotorfinger tour, and Cornell > announced "Big Dumb Sex" by saying they were going to "retire this one > for a while." Blowing smoke, or has anybody heard 'em play it on the > "Superunknown" tour? > > You have a good day, it's not my fault. > I know it hurts. > > sid > ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 33] ***************************************