From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 10 Aug 1995 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:09:25 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 10 Aug 1995 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/archive/archive.html Today's Topics: Re: favorite bands: Superunknown Single? Re: anyone like jack irons? catholic stuff Re: catholic stuff Re: find themes Re: Regarding Fun not to the list Re: SFW Re: favorite bands: re: fave bands and stuff SG stories so what's up with movies everyone?!? Themes Re: so what's up with movies ... Basketball Diaries Re: find themes new tour/new album how am i suposed to know what to put here? Re: so what's up with movies ... RE: not to the list what to buy RE: not to the list Re: so what's up with movies everyone?!? Re: not to the list Re: so what's up with movies everyone?!? Re: so what's up with movies ... ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 22:05:01 -0700 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: nathan@goodnet.com (Nathan Fuller) Subject: Re: favorite bands: >My favorite bands: > >acdc, aerosmith, alice in chains, anderson, wakeford, bruford and howe, >arrested development, atomic playboys, bachman turner overdrive, bad company, >badlands, the band, bangles, beastie boys, beatles, beck, belly, pat benetar, >big star, david bowie, black crowes, frank black, blood sweat and tears, blue..... and on and on..... I hope this is a clever way of saying it's time this thread should end. NATHAN@GOODNET.COM :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Everywhere is in walking distance if you have the time" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 22:28:02 -0700 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: nathan@goodnet.com (Nathan Fuller) Subject: Superunknown Single? Does anyone out there know some details about SG's interactive "CD Plus" single for their latest title track? NATHAN@GOODNET.COM :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Everywhere is in walking distance if you have the time" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 16:13:31 +1000 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: anyone like jack irons? Just out of interest, IMHO the drumming found on Pearl Jam is not over taxing (this is from the experience of a keyboard player who's been required to drum at times) - no offence intended, and I believe that their music is very enjoyable (it certainly gets my head nodding to the rhythm!). At any rate, if the drummer for PJ is free to change (as it appears to be), I think that drumming must not be regarded as THE most important part of the band's music - more an integral part that keeps PJ rocking. Cheers! Jackhammer. At 10:40 AM 8/8/95 +1000, blind dog wrote: > > > I think my friend littlejoe was a bit harsh in his critique of >the new pearl jam drummer. however, I do think that he was on the ball >overall. > > jack irons, to me, is not much of a drummer. I will admit that >he does have one roll that I like, but this is his only one, and he plays >it to death. also, to move dave abbrusseese out for a drummer of jack's >talent must certainly be a slap in the face for such an accomplished >musician as dave. > > I have a pearl jam bootleg ( it doesn't have a title), and they >play a huge version of porch, a song I'm sure that just about everyone on >this list has heard. anyway, in the middle of the lead break, dave goes >into this enormous cover of jesus christ pose. the drumming is >absolutely fantastic, and is spot on to say the least. before I heard >it, I would have been suspicious of anyone offering up another drummer >than matt who could play it properly. > > so, to cut a long story short, I'd like to hear jack irons play >that same song. in fact, I'd like to hear jack irons play any song from >versus or vitalogy (except for the woeful stupid mop) with the same skill >and ferocity that dave had. > > but then again, this isn't a pearl jam maililng list, so I'll >stop there. > > justin > >ps. I'll be willing to bet that the songs on the new eleven album >where matt plays are far, far better than jack's > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 16:32:18 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: soundgarden list Subject: catholic stuff How about these..just off the top of my head. - -from Power Trip: 'so maybe now the Pope will bow and my ring' - -from 4th of July: 'Jesus tries to crack a smile, beneath another shovel load.' - -Heretic - -Exit Stonehenge - -Hand of God - - from Holy Water: 'holy bible on the night stand next to me, as i'm raped by another circus monkey freak' : 'and they take thine majesty so seriously, it's the big lies more likely to be believed.' ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:10:44 +1200 To: LITTLE JOE From: charris@i-max.co.nz (Clint Harris) Subject: Re: catholic stuff Cc: somms@MIT.EDU >-from Power Trip: 'so maybe now the Pope will bow and my ring' ...uh. what happened to "kiss" :) S'yoo CH... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:10:30 +1200 To: LEM89@aol.com From: charris@i-max.co.nz (Clint Harris) Subject: Re: find themes Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Add to the list of Christ, Christian, Catholic, Religious whatever Themes the following... Hand of God, Kingdom of Come, Heretic... and *lots* of lyrical references to that particular set. OK CH... >Jesus Christ Pose >Holy Water >"I'm going to the Holy Land" (Drown me in you) >Your Savior (temple of the dog) >etc, etc > >and my personal favorite, Tears, rain & water: >"the wreck is going down, get out before you drown" >"Drown me in you" >"holy water's rusting me" >"And we fall like a tear falling to the ground" >"in the pouring down wind" >"Soundgarden is a tear in an eye dreaming" >"won't you come and wash away the rain" > >can you add to my lists? >think of any more themes?? > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:43:12 +1000 To: mrl5@lehigh.edu (Muhammad Lee) From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Regarding Fun Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Hey y'all! At 09:48 AM 8/7/95 EDT, Muhammad Lee wrote: >O.k, last week I posted an article titled 'Let's have some fun' asking >you for your ultimate band lineup and your Desert island discs...As >promised I >have collated your responses and posted them below. Thanks for your >numerous responses, more than I expected etc. etc. I don't want to sound like a whinger, but I'd be interested in people's opinions (although I suspect what they may be in general) - do you think that there's room for a keyboardist in such an Ultimate Band Lineup? OK, so many people would be hard pressed to think up the names of keyboardists in hard rock music (and yeah, I'm drawing the line at Axel Roses' efforts on Use Your Illusion I and II and the like - the songs with the keyboard (mainly piano) were nothing like hard rock)... there's Roddy Bottum on keys for Faith No More (who I had the pleasure of seeing last night here in Brisbane). Anyone care to share their thoughts (I'm not fussed one way or the other - I respect everyone's opinion, I'd just like to hear them)? And to stir you up a bit more... is there or will there ever be room for a keyboardist in Soundgarden? I'd love to hear from you all! Jackhammer. (Yeah, in case you hadn't picked it up, I play keyboards!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 08:17:05 -0230 (NDT) From: Tony Dawe To: Soungarden Rules!!! Subject: not to the list if you want to unsubscribe, send mail to seth and not to the list please. is louder than love any good? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Tony Dawe /\ \/gbf2033@infonet.st-johns.nf.ca \/ /\St.Johns InfoNET /\ \/"I am you, you are me, \/ /\ no one is themselves" /\ \/"I am the law" \/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 09:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Mills Subject: Re: SFW To: DKAASC@tevm2.nsc.com Cc: somms@MIT.EDU To that "What does SFW stand for" question, I'm not sure but after watching the movie, I think it means "So Fucking What" because Spab spoke it and lived it like pure philosophy (he would always say it). Bye. Alan Mills a035883t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 09:39:08 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: favorite bands: To: somms@MIT.EDU JUNKGUNF, I have a bizzare range of music tastes also, I was just to lazy to write them all down. It's no big deal really. Clown With Bazooka ****************************************************************************** ......Shower in the dark day Clean Sparks Diving Down Cool in the water way Where the Baptized Drown Naked in the Cold Sun Breathing Life like Fire Thought I Was The Only One But That Was Just a Lie...... -Soundgarden ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 10:07:29 -0400 From: ThisRulz@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: re: fave bands and stuff i like: soundgarden (of course) pearl jam nirvana rem hole nine inch nads stone temple pilots alice in chains mudhoney eleven temple of the dog sonic youth collective soul white zombie and others i cant think of. why can't people handle all their e-mail? ------------------------------ Subject: SG stories From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Aug 95 11:31:21 -0400 I know many of you have seen SG live and some may have even met them. I have not - ever time they are in my part of the country, I'm in another part (price you pay for having a job that has some travel). So any personal encounters would be great to hear about. The closes for me, was meeting the brother of a bass player, who turned down (he wanted to finish collage) the position filled by Ben Sheppard. Now I ask you, was he right (turning down the slot)? Would a different combination of players change the degree of success that the band has received? Would Ben have formed Hater? Fate, Zen, Karma who knows? For you who have not seen it, there is a wonderful chart located under images on the Pearl Jam home page (see below). The chart is named Goldmine Tree and it displays the life cycle of the bands in Seattle. http://www.engin.umich.edu/~galvin/pearljam.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 14:34:02 -0400 From: Minerva657@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: so what's up with movies everyone?!? seth, you mentioned before that you like classical...right on! i like mozart, beethoven is a bit too angry for me, i don't know why...anyway, just wanted to get that out of the way....... okay, new topic: what are all you guys' favorite movies? i know, you're probably all saying, what the hell do movies have to do with soundgarden, but i just think i'd ask a question within the realm of entertainment...so, i'll just list my favorites: harold and maude--(my all-time favorite) ferris bueller's day off, clue, planet of the apes, close encounters of the third kind, heathers, the gods must be crazy, lord of the flies----(the old, black and white one) and last, but not least, i still have a weakness for; the breakfast club.... so, what do you all think? oh yeah, to let this relate to music a bit more, i have another question-----------what are your favorite soundtracks??? as for me, i like the soundtracks to----singles, the crow, dazed and confused, philadelphia---(killer opera song) fast times at ridgemont high, the breakfast club, oh yeah, pretty in pink is pretty good too........ well, better jet-------bye------danielle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 16:05:36 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Themes To: somms@MIT.EDU I would like to pursue the topic of themes in the lyrics of Chris Cornell. Everyone could please contribute to this: Theme #1: Catholic Stuff Jesus Christ Pose Holy Water "I'm going to the Holy Land" (Drown me in you) Your Savior (temple of the dog) etc, etc and my personal favorite, Tears, rain & water: "the wreck is going down, get out before you drown" "Drown me in you" "holy water's rusting me" "And we fall like a tear falling to the ground" "in the pouring down wind" "Soundgarden is a tear in an eye dreaming" "won't you come and wash away the rain" can you add to my lists? think of any more themes?? An addition to Catholic/Religious Themes: Wooden Jesus(Temple Of Dog) "Wooden Jesus I'll cut You in on 20% of my future sin" Fourth of July "Jesus Tries to Crack a Smile, Beneath another Shovel Load" Beyond The Wheel (Says something Discernable about The Holy) Limo Wreck "Harvest the Souls" Say Hello To Heaven (Temple of the dog) Black Hole Sun "In my Youth I pray to keep" Exit Stonehenge "Jesus I can't see my feet" If I think of more I will send them. In addition to Tears, rain and Water Rusty Cage "I'll take the river down to still water, and ride a pack of dogs" Another Theme Slaves/Imprisonment Rusty Cage "I'm gonna break my rusty Cage and run" Slaves and Bull Dozers Jesus Christ Pose "You swear to Me, you don't want to be my slave" Limo Wreck "Hands of the slave" Hunger Strike "Slaves are all working" And Yes another Theme: Snakes and Dogs Dogs: Call me a dog "You call me a dog" Rusty Cage (The dogs are looking for there bones) Outshined "Where The dogs are shedding" Snakes: Black hole Sun " Snakes in My Shoes" Get On the Snake Black Hole Sun "Lies The Snake" Thats enough for now Clown With Bazooka ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 17:08:55 -0400 From: UnknMan@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: so what's up with movies ... Ah, favorite movies: Field of Dreams (baseball freak) Pulp Fiction (violence, gore, foul lingo, great movie quotes!) The Crow (wish they would have used the soundtrack more in the movie) Flash Gordon (only cuz its better than any of those Star Trek movies & tv programs) The Untouchables (simply amazing motion picture.. and great theme music) Glory (comments won't do justice (c: ) ... ok.. that's all can think of now not really but: singles.. damn Vedder, Cornell, Ament & Gossard can act... but SG didnt' sound to great live in that one scene... btw: anyone noticed the Spoonman riff used as background music in the movie at one point? soundtracks: singles (of course) Grease (hey, I had a twisted childhood) Backbeat Blind Dogs (anyone see the movie) The Crow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 16:46:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Clifford Lien Subject: Basketball Diaries To: somms@MIT.EDU I saw the movie. It was a true story about someone's heroine addiction (he later became a peot). It is a very well done film and very honest. It shows what a heroine addiction can do in a very graphic manner. I would recommend show this to people who are on the verge of a drug problem. It is a very scarry and sobering film. Kevin ------------------------------ From: Sam Lukowski To: LEM89@aol.com, somms@MIT.EDU Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:20:07 GMT+1000 Subject: Re: find themes I'd just like to say that I think Chris also has a fascination with dogs. "Temple of the Dog" (I know its from MLB, but hey, he used it too) "...when the dogs are looking for their bones" Fuck, I just had a memory blank, I'll add more later, but thats enough to start you off Sam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:23:42 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: new tour/new album I'm on the aic list as well as this one, and there is a guy on it who is in the military. he is in germany at the moment, and somehow has connections to a bunch of record reps. anyway, the upshot of this is that he wrote to the group saying that yes, there is a new disc coming out in september (7th?), and that he has tickets to the first show of their new world tour on september 4 in offenbach germany. cool if it's true, eh? also, there was a posting on the group which was about a new willie nelson tribute album which is coming out soon. I can hear you all laughing at me, but one of the songs is reported to have: johnny cash on vocals kim thayil on lead guitar krist novoselic on bass and sean kinney on drums that's a song I've *got* to hear! finally, I'm wondering where everybody heard she likes suprises, 'cause I know that it isn't on every release. reply (like I know you will!) soon justin ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 22:19:24 -0230 (NDT) From: Tony Dawe To: Soungarden Rules!!! Subject: how am i suposed to know what to put here? well any way, my all star band for this week: the cranberries lead singer(dolores oriodan or something?) slash on lead guitar krist noveslic on bass +LIVE+'s drum player kim of sg on guitar (not backup, just co-lead) my desyert island discs would be: 1-sg-sunknown 2-sg-bmf 3-nirvana-nevermind 4-" "-bleach 5-colective soul-colective soul well any way, i think my band might sound a little funny :) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Tony Dawe /\ \/gbf2033@infonet.st-johns.nf.ca \/ /\St.Johns InfoNET /\ \/"I am you, you are me, \/ /\ no one is themselves" /\ \/"I am the law" \/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 20:59:38 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: so what's up with movies ... To: UnknMan@aol.com, somms@MIT.EDU Unk, I saw the movie singles to, where exactly does cornell have a scene in the movie? Besides the fact that Matt Dillon Completely stole his look. Clownwithbazooka ****************************************************************************** ......Shower in the dark day Clean Sparks Diving Down Cool in the water way Where the Baptized Drown Naked in the Cold Sun Breathing Life like Fire Thought I Was The Only One But That Was Just a Lie...... -Soundgarden ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ From: Michael Barnes To: Tony Dawe , somms Subject: RE: not to the list Date: Wed, 09 Aug 95 18:07:00 PDT Oddly enough, Louder than Love was the first ever CD I bought, way back when. I fell in love with Soundgarden's music and energy that very same day. I have lived in Seattle my whole life, but sadly I hadn't heard of them until Louder Than Love. It is a remarkable album, and I would suggest it. I have Badmotorfinger and Superunknown, (used to have Louder than Love) ,anyway, can anybody tell me what other SG albums are worth checking out? (Incidentally, I also have the Singles soundtrack) *** Korea, Canada or maybe Taiwan *** ********************************************** michaelb@humongous.com ---------- From: Tony Dawe To: Soungarden Rules!!! Subject: not to the list Date: Wednesday, August 09, 1995 8:17AM if you want to unsubscribe, send mail to seth and not to the list please. is louder than love any good? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Tony Dawe /\ \/gbf2033@infonet.st-johns.nf.ca \/ /\St.Johns InfoNET /\ \/"I am you, you are me, \/ /\ no one is themselves" /\ \/"I am the law" \/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:39:56 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: what to buy to michael: every soundgarden album is worth getting. you are letting yourself down if you don't have them all. I do, however, prefer their newer stuff to their subpop releases. it's something about the way they write their songs these days. mesmerising, I guess. to everyone: who has heard the song no attention? it's on a couple of bootlegs, and I'm just wondering if someone can tell me how it sounds. it's been around since the superunknown sessions, but has only really been played of late (eddie vedder's self pollution radio). so if someone has heard it, try comparing it to another soundgarden song which is kinda the same. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 22:00:03 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: RE: not to the list To: Michael Barnes , somms@MIT.EDU Tony, other soundgarden albums worth checking out, are Ultramega Ok and Screaming life/fopp and any of the bootlegs rated A or -A in Seth's Bootleg archive. Screaming Life is kinda raw, But Ultramega is pretty decent. Chris shows that great songwriting ability more lyrics than music on Screaming But I think they were merely polishing they're playing skills because they're old stuff sounds incredible live. Clown With Bazooka ****************************************************************************** ......Shower in the dark day Clean Sparks Diving Down Cool in the water way Where the Baptized Drown Naked in the Cold Sun Breathing Life like Fire Thought I Was The Only One But That Was Just a Lie...... -Soundgarden ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:10:11 -0700 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: nathan@goodnet.com (Nathan Fuller) Subject: Re: so what's up with movies everyone?!? What are all the movies SG's done music for (i.e.been played during the movie)? I can think of Pacific Heights, Waynes World, and Singles, of course. what else? NATHAN@GOODNET.COM :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Everywhere is in walking distance if you have the time" ------------------------------ To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: not to the list Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 22:43:57 EDT From: seth > other soundgarden albums worth checking out, are Ultramega Ok and > Screaming life/fopp and any of the bootlegs rated A or -A in Seth's > Bootleg archive. Screaming Life is kinda raw, But Ultramega is pretty > decent. Chris shows that great songwriting ability more lyrics than music > on Screaming But I think they were merely polishing they're playing skill > s > because they're old stuff sounds incredible live. _Ultramega OK_ is, for me, the best SG album by far. It would definitely be my desert island disc. On no other album does Chris display the vocal prowess he shows on this one; I could listen to "Beyond the Wheel" again and again and never tire of it. If you buy just one more disc before you die, make sure it's _Ultramega OK_. [side note: I didn't compile the bootleg discography; in fact, I've never heard virtually all of the albums listed, though I saw almost all of them for sale just today. The boot discog was compiled by Steve Russell, Jr.] seth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:56:26 -0500 (CDT) From: John Darron Subject: Re: so what's up with movies everyone?!? To: Minerva657@aol.com Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Favorite movies: the Crow, Where the day takes you, the River Wild, Dangerous Minds, Any Batman movie or show (cartoon or not) and Sleeples in Seattle. Favorite soundtrack: Singles, the Crow, Last Action Hero, and Boys on the Side There be my input for these topics John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:00:34 -0400 From: UnknMan@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: so what's up with movies ... >I can think of Pacific Heights, Waynes World, and Singles, of course Waynes World? Which song? Add SFW & Basketball Diaries ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 10] ***************************************