From: somms@MIT.EDU To: somms-digest@MIT.EDU Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 8 Aug 1995 Reply-To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 01:30:45 EDT Sender: saperl@MIT.EDU The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 8 Aug 1995 Today's Topics: Fun!! to pop or not to pop Regarding Fun Re: to pop or not to pop Favourite Bands web site? Fav Bands RE: web site? Re: Not Pop! RE: web site? Re: web site? fave bands Re: to pop or not to pop network tv sucks Louder than Love Fave Bands Re: Not Pop! anyone like jack irons? Re: SG is a pop band + Other good bands Re: Fun!! Re: to pop or not to pop Re: Louder than Love chris and the poppies stickin' up for the boys 95-07-19.html#Chris_Cornell (fwd) ------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 14:34:55 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: soundgarden list Subject: Fun!! O.k, last week I posted an article titled 'Let's have some fun' asking you for your ultimate band lineup and your Desert island discs...As promised I have collated your responses and posted them below. Thanks for your numerous responses, more than I expected. First Team All-World Ultimate Band. 2nd Team ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Vocals- Chris Cornell (Soundgarden) - Kurt Cobain Lead Guitar- Jimi Hendrix - Jerry Cantrell Bass- Les Claypool (Primus) - Krist Novoselic Drums- Will Calhoun (Living Colour) - Lars Ulrich nunpuncher@easynet.co.uk suggested he should be on bass Desert Island Discs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Superunknown (4 votes) 2. Badmotorfinger (4 votes) 3. Siamese Dream (2 votes) 4. Nevermind (2) + a wide variety of stuff that got one vote. I might limit the categories to one this week so this thing doesn't dry up in the first couple weeks. - - Post and tell me what you think are the three best and three worst Soundgarden songs. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 15:22:19 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: to pop or not to pop By pop I mean popular, NOT pop-sounding. Musical > styles are so screwed up now-a-days that some bands like SG wouldn't really > belong anywhere if the same ones that existed 10 years ago were still used. > Some people try though. What's popular defines what is pop music now. > > POP now-a-days is just that - whatever is popular. Lots of "Alternative", > "Metal", and "Grunge" is pop, even if you don't understand why. I admit SG > is pop, but they're still a great band. > > Whatever . . . what I was surprised to see was that the other bands you > guys like are all POP. I was hoping to see some GOOD, unknown (i.e. > non-pop) bands - maybe even some I haven't heard of that I would then check > out. I would argue that pop music is not whatever is popular. does that mean that any band that gets into the charts with only one song is a pop band? is your band a pop band if your song spends three weeks at number 38? I don't understand where the line is being drawn here. I would argue that soundgarden is not a 'popular' band at all. I feel that there are a lot of differences between their music and music by bands such as boys to men and the like. furthermore, are all bands which are 'known' relegated to popdom for ever? and are all those bands who receive no press the true grunge or alternative? (I hate those terms) labelling bands is imho pretty uncool. a more simple way of doing it is to compare them to other bands, in a single band fashion, so you don't get caught up in the big music movement. that's it from me justin > > But NO. > > So, here's my list of good non-pop bands - albums worth checking out in (). > (I still very much like pop bands AiC, FNM, Primus, Metallica, Nirvana). > > **Kyuss ("blues for the red sun", "sky valley") > **Mule (any) > **Fugazi - semi-pop (any & all) > **Godflesh (any) > **Bullet Lavolta ("swandive" & others) > Voivod (any) > Fudge Tunnel (any) > Monster Magnet (any) > Hater > Chucklehead ("big wet kiss") > Bim Skala Bim (any) > Danzig - OK, pop (#1) > Boss Hog > Thumper > ** Please do yourself a favor & give these bands a serious listen. > > How many have heard of these bands? > OK, enough talk. What bands (pop & non-pop) do you like? > > Adios, > -Paul- > > > > ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 09:48:05 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (Muhammad Lee) Subject: Regarding Fun To: somms@MIT.EDU O.k, last week I posted an article titled 'Let's have some fun' asking you for your ultimate band lineup and your Desert island discs...As promised I have collated your responses and posted them below. Thanks for your numerous responses, more than I expected. First Team All-World Ultimate Band. 2nd Team ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Vocals- Chris Cornell (Soundgarden) - Kurt Cobain Lead Guitar- Jimi Hendrix - Jerry Cantrell Bass- Les Claypool (Primus) - Krist Novoselic Drums- Will Calhoun (Living Colour) - Lars Ulrich nunpuncher@easynet.co.uk suggested he should be on bass Desert Island Discs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Superunknown (4 votes) 2. Badmotorfinger (4 votes) 3. Siamese Dream (2 votes) 4. Nevermind (2) + a wide variety of stuff that got one vote. I might limit the categories to one this week so this thing doesn't dry up in the first couple weeks. - - Post and tell me what you think are the three best and three worst Soundgarden songs. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== To all fun lovers, I have a slight question about the selections to the ultimate band list, I think the people who voted picked the best musicians but not the musicians who sound the best together, I think the second team band would sound better than the first team band. Jimi hendrix's on the spot improvisation and high pitched elctric guitar would sound good with les bass but not with will drumming or chris's vocals or his songs. Imagine if this was the original soundgarden lineup, you would completely lose that crunchy "grunge" sound the songs 4th of july or let me drowm, holy water, gun , Beyond the wheel would just sound like crap. Does anyone out there agree with me? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 12:06:31 -0400 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: pavr@umich.edu (Paul Van Rompay) Subject: Re: to pop or not to pop Well, I received some interesting replies to my post: 'SG is pop band & other good bands', most of which were posted to the group. In one sense I must apologize for my being a bit over-zealous in throwing out a strict definition of a pop band. But by the thoughtful responses I received to it, I think it was worth it. Two of the responses are worth noting here. Clown w/ Bazooka refined his definition of pop band as those bands that create "prefabricated commercialized fake music made for no other purpose then to climb the pop charts." I must agree those bands exist, but who creates the standards by which these "pop bands" create their crap. SG, in some sense, is a part of that. blind dog also threw in a challenge to my definition which brought up some great questions which I must admit I cannot answer based upon my definition. His suggestion was to "compare them to other bands, in a single band fashion, so you don't get caught up in the big music movement." Once again I must admit this makes sense to me. I guess I really posted 'SG is pop band' to see what you guys really think about this labelling crap. I've been confused by it for a while as in 'how do you describe music to other people?' Most people use the labels and if you're on the receiving end, that might make the difference whether you ever listen to the band. I only listened to SG during their early Badmotorfinger days although I had heard of them when they were opening with FNM for Voivod (way back when). At that time though, someone said 'Oh, you like DRI (a short-lived period), you'll like SG'. I refused to listen to them since someone had tried to label what I liked. Oh, well, thanks for your replies. - -Paul- BTW, any women on this mailing list - I feel a bit guilty using 'guys' but that's what I usually call everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:20:17 +0200 To: somms@MIT.EDU From: eteman@knoware.nl (Peter Vermeulen) Subject: Favourite Bands My favourite bands: Soundgarden of course Offpring Green Day Smashing Pumpkins Bush ( only " little things " and "everything zen " ) Pearl Jam Nirvana Stone temple pilots Therapy? Alice in chains Silverchair Terrorvision Dog eat Dog Live Peter L.A.P.D. They're shooting anyone who even tries to run They're shooting little kids with toy guns Take it to a jury, they don't give a damn Because the one who tells the truth is always the policeman. ( Offspring - L.A.P.D. from the album IGNITION ) Peter Vermeulen e-mail: peteman@knoware.nl adres: Tuindersweg 3a woonplaats: Leermens ------------------------------ From: "VASANT RAMAMURTHY" Subject: web site? To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 11:30:48 -0600 (CDT) Does anybody know the URL of the Soundgarden web page? - -- "Life's a bummer, when you're a hummer" - "Hummer" by Smashing Pumpkins Vasant Ramamurthy vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu Vasant.Ramamurthy@launchpad.unc.edu ------------------------------ From: "VASANT RAMAMURTHY" Subject: Fav Bands To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 11:31:12 -0600 (CDT) Here are my favorite bands: Soundgarden Pearl Jam Nirvana Jimi Hendrix The Doors Smashing Pumpkins Led Zeppelin Foo Fighters Gumball The Beatles The Ramones - -- "Life's a bummer, when you're a hummer" - "Hummer" by Smashing Pumpkins Vasant Ramamurthy vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu Vasant.Ramamurthy@launchpad.unc.edu ------------------------------ From: Michael Barnes To: somms Subject: RE: web site? Date: Mon, 07 Aug 95 10:11:00 PDT I'd be interested in this as well. Does anybody know the URL of the Pearl Jam or STP web page? MichaelB@Humongous.com *** Korea, Canada or maybe Taiwan *** ---------- From: VASANT RAMAMURTHY To: somms Subject: web site? Date: Monday, August 07, 1995 11:30AM Does anybody know the URL of the Soundgarden web page? -- "Life's a bummer, when you're a hummer" - "Hummer" by Smashing Pumpkins Vasant Ramamurthy vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu Vasant.Ramamurthy@launchpad.unc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 13:40:34 -0400 (EDT) From: nicholas anthony budor Subject: Re: Not Pop! To: Muhammad Lee Cc: Ahmed Osman , somms@MIT.EDU Do you really think that Eleven is ok? I have yet to discover the merit in their music. I saw them open for Pearl Jam in 1991 and they were unbearable and suffering through them three more times on the Superunknown tour was almost fatal. Now they've lost the only good thing they had (Jack Irons on drums) to Pearl Jam. Who knows though, I saw their first album in a used cd shop for $1... On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Muhammad Lee wrote: > > > Ahmad, > I agree with you entirely that soundgarden will not be accepted as a > popmetal/rock band. Even if metal becomes the in thing I don't thing > that they will be accepted as a pop metal band. Their songs are just > not accessible, however my point was that Soundgarden did not make an > intentional move toward pop music they recent success was merely > because people liked there music, mainly black hole sun. It was a > great album anyway and they did not really join the ranks of the > mainstream alternative bands ie, Pearl Jam and Rem , weezer etc > actually I don't believe that bands like weezer and live are really > alternative music I think the music industry only classified it that > because it's the in thing. I personally only classify music as crap > and actual Music Soundgarden is actual music and there in that whole > alternative category so be it. Weezer is crap. > > P.s. Speaking of new bands check out a group called elleven they > released there self titled debut in 1993 and they opened for > soundgarden when I saw them live in 94' and they released a new > one this year titled Thunk. They are Pretty good almost as good as > (dare I say it) Soundgarden. > ****************************************** > Tears Of The Feeble > Hands Of The Slaves > Skin Of The Mothers > Mouths Of The Babes > Building The Towers > Belongs To The Sky > When The Whole Thing > Comes Crashing Down > Don't Ask Me Why -Soundgarden > ******************************************* > > ------------------------------ From: Michael Barnes To: somms Subject: RE: web site? Date: Mon, 07 Aug 95 11:10:00 PDT I am also intersted in this as well as the URL's for Pearl Jam and STP. MichaelB@Humongous.com *** pushing forward back *** ********************************* ---------- From: VASANT RAMAMURTHY To: somms Subject: web site? Date: Monday, August 07, 1995 11:30AM Does anybody know the URL of the Soundgarden web page? -- "Life's a bummer, when you're a hummer" - "Hummer" by Smashing Pumpkins Vasant Ramamurthy vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu Vasant.Ramamurthy@launchpad.unc.edu ------------------------------ To: Michael Barnes Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: web site? Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 14:20:19 EDT From: seth The URL for the Web page is http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/sg.html seth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 14:35:02 -0400 From: Minerva657@aol.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: fave bands well, it seems everyone's sharing thier favorite bands...and so i figgured i'd be trendy and all (heh heh) and follow suit---sooo, here goes-- soundgarden rage against the machine hum the joykiller smoking popes the cure and of course, there's my weakness for classic rock: steve miller band jimi hendrix c.c.r. jethro tull blah blah blah......okay, there's my two cents--------danielle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 14:52:51 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (Muhammad Lee) Subject: Re: to pop or not to pop To: somms@MIT.EDU Well, I received some interesting replies to my post: 'SG is pop band & other good bands', most of which were posted to the group. In one sense I must apologize for my being a bit over-zealous in throwing out a strict definition of a pop band. But by the thoughtful responses I received to it, I think it was worth it. Two of the responses are worth noting here. Clown w/ Bazooka refined his definition of pop band as those bands that create "prefabricated commercialized fake music made for no other purpose then to climb the pop charts." I must agree those bands exist, but who creates the standards by which these "pop bands" create their crap. SG, in some sense, is a part of that. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul, what exactly do you mean by saying that Sg is part of the standards by which "Pop bands create thier crap" do you mean that pop bands imitate soundgarden, or do you mean that they are a performance measure by which crap is decreed crap. I think that if you are going to decree a band a pop band based on it's popularity you should look at other factors. Such as, are bands being created in thier mold? ex. Stone Temple pilots a Pearl Jam Clone. Do you hear them on the radio constantly and or on MTV even when they don't have new material out? Are they on every talk show you turn on. Is MTV doing constant specials on them that they find an excuse to show every week? ex. Pearl Jam, Live, Rem , Nirvana . Do they judge the quality of their own work by how many times it goes platinum? Have you seen everyone of their videos? I have been a steady viewer of MTV for the past 6 or 7 months(theirs nothing else on) and I have seen black hole sun mabye 5 times fell on black days once, my wave once, I have yet to see spoonman, the day I tried to live or anything thats pre superunk. I have seen all of nin's videos and nirvana's lives and Pearl Jams. This is why I think that even though soundgarden is popular to some extent they are nowhere near the pop followig of some of those other bands. blind dog also threw in a challenge to my definition which brought up some great questions which I must admit I cannot answer based upon my definition. His suggestion was to "compare them to other bands, in a single band fashion, so you don't get caught up in the big music movement." Once again I must admit this makes sense to me. I guess I really posted 'SG is pop band' to see what you guys really think about this labelling crap. I've been confused by it for a while as in 'how do you describe music to other people?' Most people use the labels and if you're on the receiving end, that might make the difference whether you ever listen to the band. I only listened to SG during their early Badmotorfinger days although I had heard of them when they were opening with FNM for Voivod (way back when). At that time though, someone said 'Oh, you like DRI (a short-lived period), you'll like SG'. I refused to listen to them since someone had tried to label what I liked. Oh, well, thanks for your replies. - -Paul- BTW, any women on this mailing list - I feel a bit guilty using 'guys' but that's what I usually call everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 95 12:48:57 PDT From: DKAASC@tevm2.nsc.com To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: network tv sucks *** Reply to note of 08/06/95 15:41 FROM: Kazam Ali SUBJECT: network tv sucks I have to agree with you fully. It was like seeing a really bad dj way overstepping his boundaries in introducing a song. The only full-length video IN CONCERT played was Fell on Black Days.....That's it and 5 minutes worth of jerky interviews with the band. Their coverage of Nirvana was pretty hapless also...one live video of About a Girl.Crappy Kazam "The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering." - Brandon Bruce Lee Feb. 1, 1965 - Mar. 31, 1993 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ From: Michael Barnes To: somms Subject: Louder than Love Date: Mon, 07 Aug 95 16:54:00 PDT Does anyone know whether they have released 'Louder than Love' as a 24 karat gold master CD yet (or if they will)? If so, do you know where I might acquire it? Thanks *** pushing forward back *** ********************************* michaelb@humonguos.com ------------------------------ From: ADAMSON RICHARD J Subject: Fave Bands To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:58:14 +1000 (EST) Hi Guys/Gals, A couple of artists I think are doing something interesting are: YOUNG GODS (sampled metal/atmosphere) PORTISHEAD TEA PARTY YOU AM I (supported SG on US tour) DIG (AUS not UK) DANIEL LANIOS (Yes, U2's producer) SMASHING PUMPKINS DIED PRETTY Your probably up on SP but check out the rest! SEE YA, RICH. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:19:44 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: nicholas anthony budor Cc: Muhammad Lee , somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Not Pop! On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, nicholas anthony budor wrote: > Do you really think that Eleven is ok? I have yet to discover the merit > in their music. I saw them open for Pearl Jam in 1991 and they were > unbearable and suffering through them three more times on the > Superunknown tour was almost fatal. Now they've lost the only good thing > they had (Jack Irons on drums) to Pearl Jam. Who knows though, I saw > their first album in a used cd shop for $1... Jack Irons a good thing..I find his drumming painfully bad and akin to a drum machine. If he was the best thing Eleven had, it would pay us all to steer clear of the rest of the band. IMHO the recent debacle whereby Pearl Jam lost Dave Abbruzzese and got Jack Irons, rates down there with the worst musical decisions ever made. Jack isn't worthy of shining the shoes of Matt Cameron et al, let alone drumming in the big leagues. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:40:44 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: anyone like jack irons? I think my friend littlejoe was a bit harsh in his critique of the new pearl jam drummer. however, I do think that he was on the ball overall. jack irons, to me, is not much of a drummer. I will admit that he does have one roll that I like, but this is his only one, and he plays it to death. also, to move dave abbrusseese out for a drummer of jack's talent must certainly be a slap in the face for such an accomplished musician as dave. I have a pearl jam bootleg ( it doesn't have a title), and they play a huge version of porch, a song I'm sure that just about everyone on this list has heard. anyway, in the middle of the lead break, dave goes into this enormous cover of jesus christ pose. the drumming is absolutely fantastic, and is spot on to say the least. before I heard it, I would have been suspicious of anyone offering up another drummer than matt who could play it properly. so, to cut a long story short, I'd like to hear jack irons play that same song. in fact, I'd like to hear jack irons play any song from versus or vitalogy (except for the woeful stupid mop) with the same skill and ferocity that dave had. but then again, this isn't a pearl jam maililng list, so I'll stop there. justin ps. I'll be willing to bet that the songs on the new eleven album where matt plays are far, far better than jack's ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 21:15:27 -0400 From: BluMijit@aol.com To: alyberop@socs.uts.edu.au, pavr@umich.edu Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: SG is a pop band + Other good bands hey! i resent being accused of liking pop! look at my list...how many of those bands are pop? death metal , where i come from, is far from being popular.... bands like pantera, tool, therapy, etc. are...even though thay are cool. anyway... that's just my input...let me know.... the mijit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 21:23:01 -0400 From: BluMijit@aol.com To: s327857@student.uq.edu.au, somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Fun!! larrs ulrich...is it just me or >DROOL!< ????? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 21:24:33 -0400 From: BluMijit@aol.com To: s325961@student.uq.edu.au, somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: to pop or not to pop uhhhh......ya......i will.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 21:33:54 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Louder than Love To: Michael Barnes , somms@MIT.EDU Michael, I do not know if they have released Louder Than Love as a 24 karat gold Cd, but a good place to look for it would be in the J&R music world audio/video and cd catalog. However I do not know if it would be worth it I am a audiophile myself, but I am also an electric engineer and I do know that even with all the trouble they go through remastering the gold edition cd's the increased sound quality is inaudible even if you have a cd player with a 110 db+ signal to noise ratio. But if you're not looking for increased sound quality, it would make an interesting collectors item I would buy it myself. But if the sound quality is better (I doubt they go all out in sound quality for a debut metal album let me know.) Clown with bazooka ****************************************************************************** ......Shower in the dark day Clean Sparks Diving Down Cool in the water way Where the Baptized Drown Naked in the Cold Sun Breathing Life like Fire Thought I Was The Only One But That Was Just a Lie...... -Soundgarden ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 12:35:19 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: chris and the poppies On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Paul Van Rompay wrote: > Well, I received some interesting replies to my post: 'SG is pop band & > other good bands', most of which were posted to the group. In one sense I > must apologize for my being a bit over-zealous in throwing out a strict > definition of a pop band. But by the thoughtful responses I received to it, > I think it was worth it. > > Two of the responses are worth noting here. Clown w/ Bazooka refined his > definition of pop band as those bands that create "prefabricated > commercialized fake music made for no other purpose then to climb the pop > charts." I must agree those bands exist, but who creates the standards by > which these "pop bands" create their crap. SG, in some sense, is a part of > that. is soundgarden really a part of the pop scene? are you saying that soundgarden create the standards by which these pop bands create their particular brand of crap? I would tend to disagree. I think that it is unlikely that there are any bands or psuedo-musicians around who could recreate the musical heaven that is soundgarden. are they creating a standard against which all bands are measured? I'd like to think that they are, but I also think that the music that I define as pop (stuff with synthesizers, programmed drum beats and a chorus that is used as a verse) would not define themselves by way of comparison to soundgarden. what got me thinking about this posting was an interview which was aired here in australia on radio. chris made it clear when the dj asked him about bands that sound like soundgarden that there were no bands like that. he said that it would be near impossible for another band to copy everything that soundgarden do musically, as they are such a diverse group of four that no-one could do more than mime one aspect of the soundgarden sound. so, in essence, I am confused as to what paul means when he says that soundgarden are a part of that (pop and its standards). if someone can clear it up for me, feel free to post it to the group. also, I agree again that labelling bands in terms of grunge, alternative or whatever is a bit fishy. the ultimate way of doing it (and I know that it is difficult) imho is to define a band's sound in terms of their own music. I know that sounds ugly, but if you look at it real hard, comparing soundgarden to nirvana to the screaming trees to seaweed to mudhoney to the stone temple pilots and so on is not an ultimately cool way of doing things. but then again, I guess its the only method we have. except for just listening to it. justin > > blind dog also threw in a challenge to my definition which brought up some > great questions which I must admit I cannot answer based upon my definition. > His suggestion was to "compare them to other bands, in a single band > fashion, so you don't get caught up in the big music movement." Once again > I must admit this makes sense to me. > > I guess I really posted 'SG is pop band' to see what you guys really think > about this labelling crap. I've been confused by it for a while as in 'how > do you describe music to other people?' Most people use the labels and if > you're on the receiving end, that might make the difference whether you ever > listen to the band. > > I only listened to SG during their early Badmotorfinger days although I had > heard of them when they were opening with FNM for Voivod (way back when). > At that time though, someone said 'Oh, you like DRI (a short-lived period), > you'll like SG'. I refused to listen to them since someone had tried to > label what I liked. > > Oh, well, thanks for your replies. > > -Paul- > > > BTW, any women on this mailing list - I feel a bit guilty using 'guys' but > that's what I usually call everyone. > > ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:07:39 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: stickin' up for the boys what follows is a letter to the editor I sent about a month ago, before this list began. it was to the editorial depatment of addicted to noise, an online music magazine which I am sure most of you out there are a little familiar with. anyway, I was reading the day's music news, and the obligatory birthday piece at the bottom was on chris cornell. I can't quite remember the date, but I think it was around the 19th of july. I recommend that you all go and read the piece soon, so you can make up your own minds about it. I thought that it was a little more than unfair to soundgarden. finally, my letter got a response from the editor himself (at least I think jaan is a male name!), and he was kinda apologetic. he summed up by asking me if I wanted to write the birthday segment next time. I, of course, said yes. so read on, fellow fans. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:19:57 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Justin Nicholls To: Ilfryn Carstairs Subject: stickin' up for the boys, part II How is it that during your 'today's birthday' segment on Chris Cornell (july 19), you managed to incense two ardent Soundgarden fans? That's right, whoever it was who had the rather simple task of completing the artist/band synopsis of the day succeeded in plainly putting down the artist/band in question, namely Soundgarden. I read your online magazine quite regularly, and as luck would have it, the first article I see on my favourite group is a harsh critique with no real evidence to back it up. I would have been quite happy to see a neutral and unassuming piece, as it is a birthday message after all. I would have been equally as happy to read an album review with the same sentiment (although I doubt I'd agree with it). However, I fail to understand why the two should mingle. Especially since the phrase "never one for true musical diversity" is neither kind nor accurate. How is it that a band can gain what you term "critical acclaim" without having more than one note to play? I realise that I am no editor, but surely to disparage the performer and band in both the second and third sentences of a birthday notice can not be reasonable under any circumstances. But then perhaps our definitions of "one note" may differ. Thanks for your time, and understand that you have not lost a reader. You have only lost some respect in this reader's mind justin and there you have it. too bad I didn't work on it a little longer! maybe I was just trying to catch the anger I was feeling or something. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:11:33 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: soundgarden list Subject: 95-07-19.html#Chris_Cornell (fwd) This appeared in Addicted to Noise's Music News of the World on Chris's birthday...Some birthday message hey...'never one for true musical diversity'!!!!!!!!!!! SAY IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY: SOUNDGARDEN'S CHRIS CORNELL [Soundgarden-cvr1] Today is the birthday of Soundgarden's lead singer, Chris Cornell. Soundgarden has one note, and they play it with aplomb. Never one for true musical diversity, Soundgarden was responsible for making true, gutsy heavy metal hip in the underground of the late '80s. fueled by the primal sub-Sabbath riffing of guitarist Kim Thayil and the shrieking wail of the birthday boy, Chris Cornell, Soundgarden offers a revamped post-punk take on heavy metal. Soundgarden wormed it's way into the mainstream through a series of late '80s independent releases, culminating in a major label deal with A&M; their first major label album Louder Than Love, was released in 1989. Before Nirvana exploded down the doors for alternative rockers in general and Seattle bands in particular in 1991, Soundgarden had earned a following that was larger than any other Seattle band. But their real mainstream breakthrough didn't come until 1994, when the band released the critically acclaimed Superunknown. On that album Soundgarden expanded their primal metal into a variety of new musical territories without ever losing sight of the core of their music--their overpowering riffs. Superunknown. established Soundgarden as one of the most popular rock bands of the early '90s. It is also the birthday of Michael Anthony (Van Halen), Allen Collins (Lynyrd Skynyrd) and Brian May (Queen). ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 1 Issue 8] **************************************