Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA12125; Mon, 31 Jul 95 21:28:57 EDT Received: from frodo.student.gu.edu.au by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24712; Mon, 31 Jul 95 21:28:35 EDT Received: (from interior@localhost) by frodo.student.gu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA02340; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:28:04 +1000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:28:04 +1000 (EST) From: "JAMES J. LEUTTON" To: Tim Buckingham Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Does anyone like "Half" ?? In-Reply-To: <1818.9507311424@molnir.brunel.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Tim Buckingham wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm wondering does anyone out there like "Half" on Superunknown ?? This > song, IMHO, is the only bad part of the awesome album. It sounds like some > Indian/Pakistani/Muslim song to me. Are there any reasons why this was included > on the album in the first place, seeing as it's a complete change from the rest > of it ?? > > Tim > > ================================================================= > = = = > = Tim Buckingham = "I tell it like it is" = > = = = > = cs92ttb@brunel.ac.uk = - Jesse "The Body" Ventura = > = = = > ================================================================= > In regards to Tim's letter about half, I think its good to see these bands breaking out of their 'grunge' moulds and experimenting with some different sounds. If we condem any new styles or experiments in music, everything will end up being just continual repitition of the same stuff. If everyone was a bit more understanding and accepting of different music styles, then the music Industry of today would be a richer place. thanks, Jo. P.S. Nothing personal Tim, I've just got to kick the dead horse a bit longer Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA13502; Mon, 31 Jul 95 21:59:07 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27207; Mon, 31 Jul 95 21:58:56 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s327857@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA19534 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:58:52 +1000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:58:45 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: soundgarden list Subject: HALf Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry all you experimentalists, I agree with Tim, Half is the only blemish on the otherwise fine Superunknown. IMHO Ben Shepards talents in this department should be kept in the closet. In my book Half rates down there with Exit Stonehenge on the Soundgarden Hall of Shame ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18169; Mon, 31 Jul 95 23:53:47 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA05806; Mon, 31 Jul 95 23:53:42 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s327857@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA01489 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:53:39 +1000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:53:33 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: LITTLE JOE To: soundgarden list Subject: Lets have some fun! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all you fellow Soundgarden list members. Myself and another list regular who posts under the name of 'blind dog' are interested in compiling a weekly list of the likes and dislikes of fellow Soundgarden fans. For this first posting we have two categories: 1) Your Ultimate Band: Post to us and select your all-star band, to make it interesting, you can only include one member from any particular band, that way we don't get any all-Soundgarden postings. 2) The Desert Island Discs: The Five albums you'd take with you if you were stranded on a desert island. E-mail me directly to avoid clogging everyone's inboxes. Hopefully if the idea takes off we'll be back with new categories fairly frequently..any ideas appreciated. Bye. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA20283; Tue, 1 Aug 95 00:50:16 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA09941; Tue, 1 Aug 95 00:50:12 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s325961@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA09459 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:50:08 +1000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:50:02 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: my ultimate band Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII since I'm one half of the brisbane duo who are doing their best to keep this list a cool and happening thing, I guess that it's my duty to give my ultimate band up to the masses and see what comes back. so here it is: lead vocals: chris cornell lead guitar: jerry cantrell rhythm guitar: billy corgan bass guitar: les claypool drums: will calhoun that, to me, is the prototype of the what would be the best band in the world. I'm a big living colour disciple, so that is why will calhoun is in there on drums. matt cameron was my first choice, but following the one member per band condition can be a cruel thing. I also think that this band would rival any other existing band in terms of songwriting and musicianship. so that's my first posting. and I'll be here again. keep cool justin ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21437; Tue, 1 Aug 95 01:31:56 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11971; Tue, 1 Aug 95 01:31:49 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s325961@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA14902 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:31:02 +1000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:30:55 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: trivia question Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII here is a trivia question for everyone. I have my own ideas as to the answer, but I'll wait to see if anyone has the same answer as me. this will protect me from coming up with shit all over my face if I'm wrong. q: why did chris cornell shave his head bald at around the beginning of 1994? trivial, isn't it? funny answers from the comedians of the group are welcome. see you on thursday. justin ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21815; Tue, 1 Aug 95 01:53:12 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA12997; Tue, 1 Aug 95 01:52:49 EDT Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s325961@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA17538 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:52:38 +1000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:52:31 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: blind dog To: The Garden Subject: oops! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII okay, I know I'm going to be collating some of the stuff for the ultimate band and DID for everyone, and don't I look the fool now since I posted my ultimate band to the mailing list. ok, so I messed up. so, yes, mail your entries to my friend little joe, and we'll do some work and get back to everyone. answers to the triva(l) question should, however, be directed to the group. thanks in advance for your input. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA24824; Tue, 1 Aug 95 05:02:20 EDT Received: from sirius.brunel.ac.uk by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20567; Tue, 1 Aug 95 05:01:47 EDT Received: from molnir.brunel.ac.uk by sirius.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <07046-0@sirius.brunel.ac.uk>; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:01:40 +0100 Message-Id: <12294.9508010901@molnir.brunel.ac.uk> Subject: RE:Does anyone like "Half" ?? To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:01:34 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Buckingham X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2004 >> >>I'm wondering does anyone out there like "Half" on Superunknown ?? This >>song, IMHO, is the only bad part of the awesome album. It sounds like some >>Indian/Pakistani/Muslim song to me. Are there any reasons why this was >>included >>on the album in the first place, seeing as it's a complete change from the >>rest >>of it ?? >> >> Tim >half is an incredible song, especially live. you have two guitars and a >bass playing at the speed of light and in unison, now do you think you >could do that? it just shows how tight the band is. the lyrics are an >added bonus, sung by ben shepard i believe. do you have something against >"indian, pakistan, muslim" music? i think it fits in with superunknown >very well. soundgarden has always had eastern overtones in everything >they've done. it's all part of the collective second coming of god - >soundgarden as mesiah. so reevaluate your position and get back to >us...... I wasn't exactly saying the song was shit, I'm just saying it was too different from the rest of the album. I definitely agree about the band having eastern overtones, but I don't want to see it taken to this extreme. I've never heard it live, so I couldn't comment on that and I'm *not* critizing the band's musical ability, it's just that this song doesn't appeal to me. My favorite ones off Superunknown are : Let Me Drown; Fell On Black Days; Mailman; Head Down; Spoonman; Like Suicide. So let me make it clear : I was *not* takin' a shot at the band. Tim ================================================================= = = = = Tim Buckingham = "I tell it like it is" = = = = = cs92ttb@brunel.ac.uk = - Jesse "The Body" Ventura = = = = ================================================================= Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA10226; Tue, 1 Aug 95 10:59:56 EDT Received: from sibyl.intellinet.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA15724; Tue, 1 Aug 95 10:59:51 EDT Received: (from kc@localhost) by intellinet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA12788; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:01:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:01:31 -0500 (CDT) From: John Darron Subject: Re: Soundgarden in San Jose, CA June, 1994 To: DKAASC@tevm2.nsc.com Cc: somms@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <9507311825.AA22059@nsc.nsc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a bootleg w/Soundgarden in San Jose on June 3, 1994. At the San Jose Event Center. The bootleg itself is called stingray has 11 songs. 1. Scwhinn Intro 2. Jesus Christ Pose 3. Spoonman 4. Try Being There 5. Mailman 6. The Day I Tried To Live 7. My Wave 8. Tomorrow Began Tomorrow 9. Black Hole Sun 10. It's Turning Out All Right 11. Rusty Cage Some of the titles are wrong. That's how boots go. Hope that's what you wanted John Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06223; Tue, 1 Aug 95 15:35:26 EDT Received: from nss1.CC.Lehigh.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23345; Tue, 1 Aug 95 15:32:42 EDT Received: from ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (root@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.33]) by nss1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA233955; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:31:55 -0400 Received: (mrl5@localhost) by ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA34266; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:22:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199508011922.PAA34266@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 15:22:37 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (Muhammad Lee) X-Mailer: SENDM [Version 2.0.15] X-Ack: Please RSVP to this message to acknowledge that you have received it. Subject: Re: Not Pop! To: "Ahmed Osman" , somms@MIT.EDU Ahmad, I agree with you entirely that soundgarden will not be accepted as a popmetal/rock band. Even if metal becomes the in thing I don't thing that they will be accepted as a pop metal band. Their songs are just not accessible, however my point was that Soundgarden did not make an intentional move toward pop music they recent success was merely because people liked there music, mainly black hole sun. It was a great album anyway and they did not really join the ranks of the mainstream alternative bands ie, Pearl Jam and Rem , weezer etc actually I don't believe that bands like weezer and live are really alternative music I think the music industry only classified it that because it's the in thing. I personally only classify music as crap and actual Music Soundgarden is actual music and there in that whole alternative category so be it. Weezer is crap. P.s. Speaking of new bands check out a group called elleven they released there self titled debut in 1993 and they opened for soundgarden when I saw them live in 94' and they released a new one this year titled Thunk. They are Pretty good almost as good as (dare I say it) Soundgarden. ****************************************** Tears Of The Feeble Hands Of The Slaves Skin Of The Mothers Mouths Of The Babes Building The Towers Belongs To The Sky When The Whole Thing Comes Crashing Down Don't Ask Me Why -Soundgarden ******************************************* Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11458; Tue, 1 Aug 95 16:26:12 EDT Received: from InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00639; Tue, 1 Aug 95 16:24:06 EDT Received: by InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca; (5.65/1.1.8.2/14Mar94-1051AM) id AA29574; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:53:41 -0230 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 17:53:41 -0230 (NDT) From: Tony Dawe To: John Darron Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Deep Six In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, John Darron wrote: > Hey! Don't forget that the Deep Six cd has a few Soundgarden songs. > Plus some Malfunkshun (which just had an album released!). > > John > the album no alterna tive has the somg show me and is pretty good. there are some other great songs on it. what other bands do soundgarden fans like? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Tony Dawe /\ \/gbf2033@infonet.st-johns.nf.ca \/ /\St.Johns InfoNET /\ \/"I am you, you are me, \/ /\ no one is themselves" /\ \/"I am the law" \/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA11579; Tue, 1 Aug 95 16:27:15 EDT Received: from bsigate.bentley.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA00823; Tue, 1 Aug 95 16:25:17 EDT Received: from ccmailgw2.bentley.com (ccmailgw2.bentley.com [192.204.114.8]) by bsigate.bentley.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA24745; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:23:56 -0400 Received: from ccMail by ccmailgw2.bentley.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.05) id AA807319596; Tue, 01 Aug 95 16:16:54 EST Date: Tue, 01 Aug 95 16:16:54 EST From: "Ahmed Osman" Message-Id: <9507018073.AA807319596@ccmailgw2.bentley.com> To: somms@MIT.EDU, mrl5@lehigh.edu (Muhammad Lee) Subject: Re[2]: Not Pop! Its hard to know if any band makes an intentional move towards mainstream acceptance. I think most of the bands I listen to, want to gain fans, BUT without sacrificing their style and that maybe a tough line to draw. Mainstream acceptance, in my opinion can be a very BAD thing for a band. How many times have you heard a really good song from a new band on the radio (not too often for me), ran out bought that CD, and then later regret it because you have grown entirely sick of hearing that song every breathing moment of your life? Eventually, over time that band falls in the realm of "What ever happened to..." I don't believe Soundgarden is moving in this direction, instead the industry is moving and will move towards them, eventually. If they wanted to do, they could do a STP (a Pearl Jam clone) in heartbeat, but they don't want to. There are literally thousands of bands out there playing all types of music. When the industry evolves into a particular type of music, like punk, out of nowhere bands start popping up. I think that Soundgarden has the longevity that if they stick with the same style, it will happen. BUT, I think Soundgarden is the type of band that will constantly change the style of their music. There are several bands out there that believe in this. That was why I said that the industry has a lot of say in what type of music gets airplay and what type of new bands make it. just my two (non)cents ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Not Pop! Author: mrl5@lehigh.edu (Muhammad Lee) at Internet Date: 8/1/95 3:34 PM Ahmad, I agree with you entirely that soundgarden will not be accepted as a popmetal/rock band. Even if metal becomes the in thing I don't thing that they will be accepted as a pop metal band. Their songs are just not accessible, however my point was that Soundgarden did not make an intentional move toward pop music they recent success was merely because people liked there music, mainly black hole sun. It was a great album anyway and they did not really join the ranks of the mainstream alternative bands ie, Pearl Jam and Rem , weezer etc actually I don't believe that bands like weezer and live are really alternative music I think the music industry only classified it that because it's the in thing. I personally only classify music as crap and actual Music Soundgarden is actual music and there in that whole alternative category so be it. Weezer is crap. P.s. Speaking of new bands check out a group called elleven they released there self titled debut in 1993 and they opened for soundgarden when I saw them live in 94' and they released a new one this year titled Thunk. They are Pretty good almost as good as (dare I say it) Soundgarden. ****************************************** Tears Of The Feeble Hands Of The Slaves Skin Of The Mothers Mouths Of The Babes Building The Towers Belongs To The Sky When The Whole Thing Comes Crashing Down Don't Ask Me Why -Soundgarden ******************************************* Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26636; Tue, 1 Aug 95 20:11:33 EDT Received: from nss1.CC.Lehigh.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA24904; Tue, 1 Aug 95 20:07:59 EDT Received: from ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (mrl5@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU [128.180.1.42]) by nss1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA62157 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:07:58 -0400 Received: (mrl5@localhost) by ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA57699; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:07:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199508020007.UAA57699@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 20:07:55 EDT From: mrl5@Lehigh.EDU (Muhammad Lee) X-Mailer: SENDM [Version 2.0.15] X-Ack: Please RSVP to this message to acknowledge that you have received it. Subject: (fwd) Re: Deep Six To: somms@MIT.EDU On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, John Darron wrote: > Hey! Don't forget that the Deep Six cd has a few Soundgarden songs. > Plus some Malfunkshun (which just had an album released!). > > John > the album no alterna tive has the somg show me and is pretty good. there are some other great songs on it. what other bands do soundgarden fans like? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Tony Dawe /\ \/gbf2033@infonet.st-johns.nf.ca \/ /\St.Johns InfoNET /\ \/"I am you, you are me, \/ /\ no one is themselves" /\ \/"I am the law" \/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ In response to the above, The movie soundtrack SFW has Chris Cornell playing Like Suicide Acoustic it's pretty good. The soundgarden bootleg UltramegaUnknown has it also, plus show me, a birth ritual demo, and about 8 other songs that have appeared on soundtracks and compilations. Plus 4 great sounding live tracks. Bands I like Elleven Smashing Pumpkins Rage Against the Machine Kings X Belly Hole NIrvana Radio Head Alice In Chains Body Count Machines Of Loving Grace Etc Etc....